paizo.com Recent Posts by Brutalitopspaizo.com Recent Posts by Brutalitops2011-08-22T15:05:15Z2011-08-22T15:05:15ZRe: Forums/Pathfinder First Edition: General Discussion: Why do people find it so hard to make interesting Paladins?Brutalitops (alias of Anburaid)https://paizo.com/threads/rzs2ocik?Why-do-people-find-it-so-hard-to-make#412012-06-25T16:46:22Z2012-06-25T16:46:22Z<p>Interesting to see all the goblin socialism here, when I was sure that goblins were free market types, what with all their "Goblin Markets". Can you be a paladin of the "invisible hand"?</p>Interesting to see all the goblin socialism here, when I was sure that goblins were free market types, what with all their "Goblin Markets". Can you be a paladin of the "invisible hand"?Brutalitops (alias of Anburaid)2012-06-25T16:46:22ZRe: Forums/Pathfinder First Edition: General Discussion: Monks: What is their "role?"Brutalitops (alias of Anburaid)https://paizo.com/threads/rzs2mqig&page=6?Monks-What-is-their-role#2842011-08-29T21:14:12Z2011-08-29T21:14:12Z<p>I think that for some people, every thread is a caster/martial disparity thread. Sufficed to say I've had my fill of those.</p>I think that for some people, every thread is a caster/martial disparity thread. Sufficed to say I've had my fill of those.Brutalitops (alias of Anburaid)2011-08-29T21:14:12ZRe: Forums/Pathfinder First Edition: General Discussion: Monks: What is their "role?"Brutalitops (alias of Anburaid)https://paizo.com/threads/rzs2mqig&page=6?Monks-What-is-their-role#2792011-08-29T16:51:35Z2011-08-29T16:51:35Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">TriOmegaZero wrote:</div><blockquote> <div class="messageboard-quotee">GâtFromKI wrote:</div><blockquote><br />
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In the <i>real world</i>, a linguist who can speak Latin and Italian and Spanish is able to communicate with a French people.
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</blockquote>I'll be sure to rustle up a real live linguist for you right away. </blockquote><p>Or perhaps he put ranks into french after learning italian and spanish? Maybe the skill isn't perfectly written. It doesn't mean that the game fundamentally revolves around "go magic/full BAB, or go home". That's not a truth, its a playstyle.TriOmegaZero wrote:GâtFromKI wrote:
In the real world, a linguist who can speak Latin and Italian and Spanish is able to communicate with a French people.
I'll be sure to rustle up a real live linguist for you right away. Or perhaps he put ranks into french after learning italian and spanish? Maybe the skill isn't perfectly written. It doesn't mean that the game fundamentally revolves around "go magic/full BAB, or go home". That's not a truth, its a playstyle.Brutalitops (alias of Anburaid)2011-08-29T16:51:35ZRe: Forums/Pathfinder First Edition: General Discussion: Monks: What is their "role?"Brutalitops (alias of Anburaid)https://paizo.com/threads/rzs2mqig&page=6?Monks-What-is-their-role#2762011-08-29T16:46:11Z2011-08-29T16:46:11Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">TriOmegaZero wrote:</div><blockquote> I missed the part in that link that describes how you communicate with someone that speaks a language you don't know. Which is what he said. </blockquote><p>Show me a <i>mundane real-world linguist</i> that has that ability. Specifically perfect communication with people speaking a totally foreign language.TriOmegaZero wrote:I missed the part in that link that describes how you communicate with someone that speaks a language you don't know. Which is what he said.
Show me a mundane real-world linguist that has that ability. Specifically perfect communication with people speaking a totally foreign language.Brutalitops (alias of Anburaid)2011-08-29T16:46:11ZRe: Forums/Pathfinder First Edition: General Discussion: Monks: What is their "role?"Brutalitops (alias of Anburaid)https://paizo.com/threads/rzs2mqig&page=6?Monks-What-is-their-role#2742011-08-29T16:30:59Z2011-08-29T16:30:59Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">GâtFromKI wrote:</div><blockquote> <div class="messageboard-quotee">Brutalitops wrote:</div><blockquote>No, you just don't have <i>tongues</i>. Your definition of "screwed" need reexamination. </blockquote><p>OK...
<p>Since there is an incredible number of useless languages (aklo, elemental languages, drow...) and <i>there's no way to use your linguistic skill to communicate when you don't speak the appropriate language</i>, you can't play a linguist.
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Ergo: without magic, you can't even play a <i>mundane real-world linguist</i>. It makes me sad.
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</blockquote><p>ROFLOL or, you know, <a href="http://paizo.com/pathfinderRPG/prd/skills/linguistics.html#linguistics" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">roll linguistics</a>.GâtFromKI wrote:Brutalitops wrote:No, you just don't have tongues. Your definition of "screwed" need reexamination.
OK... Since there is an incredible number of useless languages (aklo, elemental languages, drow...) and there's no way to use your linguistic skill to communicate when you don't speak the appropriate language, you can't play a linguist.
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Ergo: without magic, you can't even play a mundane real-world linguist. It makes me sad.
ROFLOL or, you know, roll linguistics.Brutalitops (alias of Anburaid)2011-08-29T16:30:59ZRe: Forums/Pathfinder First Edition: General Discussion: Monks: What is their "role?"Brutalitops (alias of Anburaid)https://paizo.com/threads/rzs2mqig&page=6?Monks-What-is-their-role#2712011-08-29T14:16:44Z2011-08-29T14:16:44Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">GâtFromKI wrote:</div><blockquote> <div class="messageboard-quotee">Brutalitops wrote:</div><blockquote>If these things you say were true, then the game would be much more boring than it really is. The fact is you are not giving any credit to any build without THE BEST combat or spell casting abilities, and that is misguided. You are positing strict optimization as the only method of success, and it is not.</blockquote><p>lol
<p>Seriously, <i>tongue</i> is the best combat spell? That's <i>really</i> what you're arguing?</p>
<p>That's a fact: if you want to play a linguist without magic, you're screwed... </blockquote><p>No, you just don't have <i>tongues</i>. Your definition of "screwed" need reexamination.
<p>[Spoiler omitted]</p>GâtFromKI wrote:Brutalitops wrote:If these things you say were true, then the game would be much more boring than it really is. The fact is you are not giving any credit to any build without THE BEST combat or spell casting abilities, and that is misguided. You are positing strict optimization as the only method of success, and it is not.
lol Seriously, tongue is the best combat spell? That's really what you're arguing?
That's a fact: if you want to play a linguist without magic, you're...Brutalitops (alias of Anburaid)2011-08-29T14:16:44ZRe: Forums/Pathfinder First Edition: General Discussion: Monks: What is their "role?"Brutalitops (alias of Anburaid)https://paizo.com/threads/rzs2mqig&page=6?Monks-What-is-their-role#2672011-08-29T13:01:45Z2011-08-29T13:01:45Z<p>Mistah Green, is that you in there ....</p>
<p>If these things you say were true, then the game would be much more boring than it really is. The fact is you are not giving any credit to any build without THE BEST combat or spell casting abilities, and that is misguided. You are positing strict optimization as the only method of success, and it is not.</p>Mistah Green, is that you in there ....
If these things you say were true, then the game would be much more boring than it really is. The fact is you are not giving any credit to any build without THE BEST combat or spell casting abilities, and that is misguided. You are positing strict optimization as the only method of success, and it is not.Brutalitops (alias of Anburaid)2011-08-29T13:01:45ZRe: Forums/Pathfinder First Edition: General Discussion: Monks: What is their "role?"Brutalitops (alias of Anburaid)https://paizo.com/threads/rzs2mqig&page=5?Monks-What-is-their-role#2072011-08-27T16:05:15Z2011-08-27T16:05:15Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">Stéphane Le Roux wrote:</div><blockquote> <div class="messageboard-quotee">Brutalitops wrote:</div><blockquote>Monks [...] are certainly the most mobile characters in the game.</blockquote><p>Aha. Oho.
<p>Sorry, it can't be helped when I read "Monk are mobile".</p>
<p>Enhancement bonus to base speed; "enhancement" means it doesn't stack with anything: until level 12, a monk is slower than a barbarian with <i>haste</i>. And after that level, a monk doesn't fly. Which makes his base speed irrelevant. Meh.
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</blockquote><p>Cherry pick less please. The barbarians +10 is eaten by medium armor. Both classes benefit from <i>haste</i> the same amount. I've already approached what they do when they get there. Since you don't believe in non specialists, I won't waste your time.
<div class="messageboard-quotee">Stéphane Le Roux wrote:</div><blockquote> End game wizard </blockquote><p>So that's a wizard for a 10-11th level party to fight, right? APL+5? If that's the case this wizard is meant to fight FOUR people, each who compliments the other. It might be someone else who burns the wizard's quickened dim door, and it might be the monk who catches up to him with a fly spell cast by the party wizard. If the part doesn't have <i>invisibility purge</i> or some such, the monks high perception is their best chance to catch the wizard. But as soon as the monk catches up to the wizard, he can pretzel him, forcing a to make a concentration check every time he wants to cast a spell that somatic/material components.Stéphane Le Roux wrote:Brutalitops wrote:Monks [...] are certainly the most mobile characters in the game.
Aha. Oho. Sorry, it can't be helped when I read "Monk are mobile".
Enhancement bonus to base speed; "enhancement" means it doesn't stack with anything: until level 12, a monk is slower than a barbarian with haste. And after that level, a monk doesn't fly. Which makes his base speed irrelevant. Meh.
Cherry pick less please. The barbarians +10 is eaten by medium armor. Both classes...Brutalitops (alias of Anburaid)2011-08-27T16:05:15ZRe: Forums/Pathfinder First Edition: General Discussion: Monks: What is their "role?"Brutalitops (alias of Anburaid)https://paizo.com/threads/rzs2mqig&page=4?Monks-What-is-their-role#1992011-08-26T16:53:59Z2011-08-26T16:53:59Z<p>So then to deconstruct and simplify your point, you do not believe in the effectiveness of anything other specialists, and believe even less in non-full casters, because they do not optimize their spell DCs and are less effective at casting spells, the "real" action economy in the game. Fair enough, you are entitled to that interpretation, but that is not the current topic of discussion.</p>
<p>We are discussing a monks role in the average party, one with martial and caster types. Using Prof Cirno's standards for what makes a working class:</p>
<p>1. <b>What they do Uniquely:</b> Monks are the most prepared of any martial class in situations where a lack of items (armor, weapons, amulets, cloaks, etc) is the challenge, such as needing to blend in with the locals, or after being jailed and having all your stuff confiscated. The monks weapons, armor, and saving throw items are "built-in". Most are not even supernatural so they don't get blocked by anti-magic zones.</p>
<p>Mind you, I don't think its fair to compare the monk to a cleric who accomplishes the same thing by blowing a bunch of his spells for the day replicating the monks abilities for an encounter or two. Yes, casters can replicate other classes abilities, but only when they have the foresight to do so, and at the cost of behaving like their own class with their own unique stuffs.</p>
<p>2. <b>Wide Scale Impact:</b> Monks are about on par with fighters for damage, and are certainly the most mobile characters in the game. As has been discussed they can move about the battle field, off-tanking and flanking as needed. They make other melee <i>better</i> which is how they are team players. They are very defensive against casters and if built for grappling <i>RUIN</i> a caster based encounter.</p>So then to deconstruct and simplify your point, you do not believe in the effectiveness of anything other specialists, and believe even less in non-full casters, because they do not optimize their spell DCs and are less effective at casting spells, the "real" action economy in the game. Fair enough, you are entitled to that interpretation, but that is not the current topic of discussion.
We are discussing a monks role in the average party, one with martial and caster types. Using Prof...Brutalitops (alias of Anburaid)2011-08-26T16:53:59ZRe: Forums/Pathfinder First Edition: General Discussion: Monks: What is their "role?"Brutalitops (alias of Anburaid)https://paizo.com/threads/rzs2mqig&page=4?Monks-What-is-their-role#1952011-08-26T14:23:38Z2011-08-26T14:23:38Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">Stéphane Le Roux wrote:</div><blockquote><p> •obvious flame baiting•
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</blockquote><p>caster-martial disparity thread is that way
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<—————————————————</p>Stéphane Le Roux wrote:*obvious flame baiting*
caster-martial disparity thread is that wayBrutalitops (alias of Anburaid)2011-08-26T14:23:38Z