Post the rule, Axebeak Sanctuary Society.
I will do no such thing.
Again, we're speaking different languages here.
And since we've both asked each other a question that the other refuses to answer, I expect this thread to die.
Meanwhile, people with Horse Companions will continue to treat them as having 5ft reach, and people with Axebeak Companions will continue to treat them as having 10ft reach.
Have a good day.
Lune, all creatures in Pathfinder (with the exception of those few already discussed earlier) determine their reach according to the table in the Core Rulebook. It doesn't matter if you're a Human, a Giant, a Horse, an Axebeak, a creature with a template, or an Animal Companion.
All creatures in Pathfinder use that table to determine their reach.
If we didn't use that table, we'd have no clue what the reach of a Horse is. Could be 5ft, could be 10ft. Could be 0ft. We'd have no clue. Same goes for the Axebeak. Same goes for Animal Companion versions of either.
The Rules are written right in the Core Rulebook. The examples are given in the Bestiaries.
It's up to you to show that they're wrong.
It's the same rule I linked the last time you and I had this discussion (you can find it in the previous thread).
And you're clearly not reading what I'm writing here, either, because you missed my point entirely.
There need not be a rule that states Animal Companions follow the general rules. General rules are the default assumption. What you're doing is claiming that the general rules don't apply to Animal Companions, and not providing a basis for that reasoning.
I've already supplied the relevant evidence. It's up to you to show that Animal Companions are handled differently.
That definitely makes sense, although it's slightly less supported by the rules
Agreed. The table we have now isn't Long/Tall/ExtraLong. Those that aren't Tall or Long can legitimately be debated, since we have no firm rules for handling them.
But claiming that we cannot figure out the reach of a Horse (or Axebeak) is ludicrous, and does not deserve to be debated on.
Those examples are the more appropriate question to be discussed. They are specifically different from the general rules presented in the Core Rulebook.
However, most likely, if we follow the same logic as determining the reach of a Horse, then creatures with double the reach of their space (Diplodocus) or with a reach of Space+5 (Elasmosaurus) would have similar reach as Animal Companions.
It is true, because those rules are for all creatures in Pathfinder. And they're in the Core Rulebook, not some obscure splatbook. We don't have the choice to ignore them.
Edited and reworded to remove accusations of "lieing".
I recommend reading the previous thread (linked above) to see the arguments of people who do not believe that you default creatures to their Bestiary entry. While that does seem like the logical thing to do not everyone agrees.
I recommend reading the thread as well. As we were both active in that thread, let's not condescend each other in this one.
I kept asking a very important question in that thread that dissenters were unable (or, I believe, unwilling) to answer:
When you find, in print, the reach of a Horse, you will likewise find, in print, the reach of an Axebeak.
(I'll give you three guesses as to which book it's in, and the first two don't count)
Keep in mind that statblocks aren't a basis for rules.
Otherwise Vicious gets blocked by DR.
And, luckily, we don't require statblocks like this to tell us how reach works for Animal Companions.
We know a Horse has 5ft reach because it's a Large (Long) creature, and we know an Axebeak has 10ft reach because it's a Large (Tall) creature.
This is explained in the Core Rulebook, with examples given in the Bestiary.
Where else would you get it from?
That's like saying Horses have 20ft reach because nowhere says they don't.
You can only go off what you're given.
I will counter equally by asking why you assume it is Large (long).
There is no general default for all Large creatures.
Just as with any Companion, you compare its natural reach to its Bestiary entry. Apes, Snakes, and Bipeds (like the Axebeak and T-Rex) are all considered to be Large (tall). Tigers, Wolves, and Quadrupeds (like Horses and Camels) are all considered to be Large (long).
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Is there anyone in the world who actually reads the thread and answers to the sentences that end with a "?". I'm asking about weights
Is there anyone in the world who actually reads the spell that they're asking questions about?
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Compliments of the Axebeak Sanctuary Society.
Remember, don't be an A.S.S., that's our job.