Cracked Orange Prism Ioun Stone- arcane caster gains an orison?

[Sober Caydenite]

The cracked orange prism Ioun stone says that the wearer adds one cantrip or orison (determined when the stone is created) to their spells known or prepared. Does this mean that a wizard who acquires a cracked orange Ioun stone (stabilize) would be able to cast it, even though it isn't normally a wizard spell, or even arcane?

Could a magus/rogue use a cracked orange Ioun stone (Mage hand) to qualify for Arcane Trickster?

[Randy Lockard]

You can't use temporary items to permanently qualify for things as such. Yes, they would be able to memorize Stabilize while they possess the stone.

[Mighty Squash]

If they had the Ioun stone implanted (as per the rules in one of the Golarion books - Seekers of Secrets, I think), that would make it much fuzzier on the qualifying as it would no longer be temporary.

[Randy Lockard]

Hmmm, it is still temporary. It could be dispelled....what happens then? He loses ALL abilities he doesn't qualify for then?

[Randy Lockard]

Or enters an Anti-Magic Field or gets hit with a Mages Disjunction Spell? This item HAS to be a temporary bonus.

[Benly]

Randy Lockard wrote:

Or enters an Anti-Magic Field or gets hit with a Mages Disjunction Spell? This item HAS to be a temporary bonus.

A wizard with Mage Hand prepared who enters an AMF also loses the ability to cast it, though. That's kind of what an AMF does.

[Randy Lockard]

Yes, but he was always able to cast it. This is in response to his question:
"Could a magus/rogue use a cracked orange Ioun stone (Mage hand) to qualify for Arcane Trickster?"

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[BigNorseWolf]

I believe the intent is that you increase your number on the table by one, not get the ability to cast spells outside your class.

[Nephril]

Temporary items do not qualify you for feats and prestige classes. this came up all the time in 3.5 people trying to use rings of evasion to qualify for prestige classes. if you don't qualify for a feat naked and unbuffed you should not have the feat.

[Dolanar]

That's not entirely true, there have been a few mentions from Devs that many bonuses if held for over 24 hours become permanent & can then qualify for feats, such as a Str belt helping you qualify for Power Attack if it brings you above Str 13.

[Quandary]

having a cleric orison added to 'spells known/prepared' doesn't give you the class feature of divine spellcasting, which lets you cast orisons in the first place. wizard or fighter doesn't matter, they don't have a spellcasting class feature that allows to cast orisons. the ability is about expanding an ability you already have.

[Randy Lockard]

Dol,

Even if correct that is a feat, and they clearly cover feats and what happens if you lose the ability to qualify for that feat in the future. He is asking about taking a Prestige Class based on that magic item.

[Dolanar]

I agree I was mentioning where Nephril mentioned feats mostly, I agree that getting into a Prestige Class without normal means you're not likely to benefit from it as much as if you had gone through the normal means.

[Starbuck_II]

Nephril wrote:

Temporary items do not qualify you for feats and prestige classes. this came up all the time in 3.5 people trying to use rings of evasion to qualify for prestige classes. if you don't qualify for a feat naked and unbuffed you should not have the feat.

Not in 3.5.

CW mentions this. You can use magic item to qualify.

Where did you hear this rumor?

[Benly]

Here's a fun question. If a wizard/rogue who does not have Mage Hand in his spellbook implants a cracked orange ioun stone that grants him Mage Hand as a prepared cantrip, does he qualify as an Arcane Trickster? Why or why not?

If he then copies Mage Hand into his spellbook from a scroll, but never memorizes it from his spellbook, does his qualification status change?

If his spellbook is then stolen, does his qualification status change?

What about a wizard who has Mage Hand in his spellbook but does not have it prepared that day? "Naked and unbuffed" he does not have the ability to cast Mage Hand; he would need to prepare it from his spellbook. What if it is not in his spellbook, but is in a spellbook he has stolen from someone else and is able to prepare from normally?