Many Years Ago...

Tuesday, December 06, 2022

...I and Wes Schneider took over the big conference room at Paizo and began to work out what Pathfinder Adventure Path was going to do to follow up its first official campaign for the Pathfinder Roleplaying game. We knew we wanted to do a sandbox-based Adventure Path (in part because we were excited by the challenge, and in part because there was a lot of call and request for something like that from Pathfinder gamers at large), and by the end of an afternoon-suddenly-become-evening-without-us-noticing, we’d sketched out Kingmaker, the idea for building a kingdom, the grid-based settlement-construction concept, and the basic ideas for the region in which the campaign would take place. I went on to craft the outline for the Adventure Path and started hiring authors, while Wes focused on writing a detailed gazetteer for the Stolen Lands that would appear in the Guide to the River Kingdoms alongside the launch of Kingmaker itself.

Kingmaker would go on to become one of our most successful Adventure Paths, inspiring not only a novel, but two different video games and eventually the core of an entire rulebook, Ultimate Campaign. Going back to revise it all was a huge lift, but at the same time, there was a sense of comfort and nostalgia as I returned to the original adventures. Memories of the scramble to get the first volume, Stolen Lands, done in time to get it to the printer returned as well—I had the help of author Tim Hitchcock to create the central encounters for this adventure on a VERY tight schedule but wrote a fair-sized chunk of the framing and “connective tissue” to bring together the Stag Lord’s Fort, the Sootscale Kobolds, and more into one sandbox to explore. Beyond this, though, the task of finishing off the remaining five adventures fell to other amazing authors.

So, without further ado, let me share some of the memories several of the original Kingmaker Adventure Path’s authors had when they looked back on their time helping to create one of Paizo’s most beloved campaigns!

James Jacobs
Pathfinder Creative Director

Pathfinder iconic druid Lini, a green haired gnome stands with her animal companion, a snow leopard names Droogami on her left and iconic monk Sajan at her right. They stand on top of a cliff, watching the sunrise while Sajan looks at a map


Rob McCreary

Rivers Run Red
Working on Kingmaker happened at a time of some major changes in my life, so I have some strong memories associated with it. Rivers Run Red was the second Adventure Path volume I wrote for Paizo, and I loved having the opportunity to put in homages to some classic wilderness adventures I had played when I was younger. I was also writing the adventure just before my wedding, and to top everything off, I was on my honeymoon when Paizo offered me a job!

A few months later, following a move from Europe back to the USA that was longer than a trek through the Stolen Lands, I found myself working on Kingmaker as an editor. I felt privileged to contribute to the AP not only as an adventure author, but also as an editor, helping to craft and polish what I still believe is one of the best sandbox wilderness adventure campaigns out there. I’m super pleased to see it updated to Pathfinder Second Edition, giving gamers a whole new chance to chart their destinies and build kingdoms of their own!


Jason Nelson

War of the River Kings
Kingmaker was a ton of fun to work on, blending PC-level adventure with kingdom-level threats and high-level skullduggery. I started with the tournament, building out not just standard medieval events but also adding some wahoo flair suited to high-level characters in a magical world. The villain was different, too, with Irovetti as a bombastic foil for the PCs, a braggart and pretender but treacherous and dangerous, putting himself forward as this gracious neighbor and really showing them a good time while working to stab them in the back. I never even really saw him as evil, just a rival who had his own ambitions and saw the PCs were in the way. The warfare was a challenge because while we had all the basics of the kingdom rules, we really didn't have the specifics of mass combat done yet, so the original version was more event-based, I think with the villains using fey magic to flood the heroes' capital city. My lasting memory of writing my adventure, though, was somewhat bittersweet, as my brother Brian passed away shortly before I finished it. He and I had picked up the hobby together as kids, and even in his final months, we got together with my kids and played a few more times. I appreciated Paizo including a dedication to him in the original adventure.


Richard Pett

Sound of a Thousand Screams I’m beyond excited about seeing Kingmaker released as another fabulous Paizo super-tome and updated to fit Pathfinder Second Edition. What a fantastic adventure path to work on with such talented folks.

One of the things I particularly recall about those days was the Adventure Path segment outlines were much more raw, just over a paragraph of backstory for my section with, “A great menace coming over the PCs’ realm and the nymph’s followers harassing the PCs. With First World blooms heralding the arrival of the nymph.”

My first draft synopsis was a long way from the finished article. I did like that title though.

The line that really strikes me as joyful in looking over the old emails from the wonderful Wes was, “You’ve got a TON of flexibility here, so make it cool.”

Well, I hope the Sound of a Thousand Screams is cool, the sparking ideas back and forth—throwing in the jabberwock for example—was such great fun, and whilst this adventure sticks out as one of the hardest to complete (writing Wormwood Mutiny was slightly trickier with so many untouchable NPCs in a low-level adventure), it was certainly the most rewarding.

The really wonderful thing about working with such talented folks was seeing how the adventure developed and how James performed his incredible magic on my final draft—soaking the adventure with Bestiary 2 monsters and dragons to name but two things.

It was such a great honor to be a part of this wonderful AP and the Paizo family. Thank you, James, and thank you, Wes.

Huzzah!


Neil Spicer

Blood for Blood
Writing for Kingmaker felt like the culmination of a long-held dream and a trial by fire. It was a banner year for me in 2009. I’d won RPG Superstar. I’d finished my turnover for Realm of the Fellnight Queen. And, like every other freelancer, I hoped to someday write for the flagship product line, but fully expected I’d have to work my way up to it over many months or years. Then, out of the blue, Wes Schneider asked if I could take on 30,000 words in two months because Kingmakerhad fallen behind. My exact words to him were: “HOLY CRAP!!! Are you freakin’ serious!?!?!? Yes! YES! A thousand times YES!” I know, because I kept the email. That’s how much it meant to me. I gave everything I could to it, thundering into my word count like a raging barbarian, knowing I couldn’t let Paizo down. It was my first BIG assignment. It tested me in all the right ways. I learned so much from it, and I’ll always be grateful for that opportunity.


Greg A. Vaughan

The Varnhold Vanishing
What to say about designing The Varnhold Vanishing? It came at a perfect time when I was wanting to explore several very different ideas in an adventure or adventures: I was interested in doing something Roanoke-ish... check. And I really liked the idea of a settlement/fortress less well-established than the usual stone keep that had become sort of the adventure standard, something with more of a colonial America feel to it like the blockhouse and stockade at Varnhold... check, check. I had recently read Pressfield’s Last of the Amazons, and the chance to do something with steppes horsefolk really appealed to me as well, not to mention his description of the “Gate to Hell” giving the perfect entry to Vordakai’s tomb... check, check, check! The growing setting that was Golarion and its first foray into a sandbox-style world exploration with Kingmaker gave me the opportunity to do it all at once, and with a powerful undead cyclops to boot. What more could you ask for?

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Thank you, all for sharing these memories and for the hard work put in to make the original King Maker.

I look forward to playing the new version even more, knowing it is built on a foundation full of passion.


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Really cool to hear these memories. Thank you!

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This might be nostalgia speaking and is probably completely unfair towards all the new voices adding to the Pathfinder universe, but reading all those names that worked at the Kingsmaker AP makes me realize that I would want to throw my money so hard at another AP written by those people (add Logue and Leati to the mix, of course).


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WormysQueue wrote:
This might be nostalgia speaking and is probably completely unfair towards all the new voices adding to the Pathfinder universe, but reading all those names that worked at the Kingsmaker AP makes me realize that I would want to throw my money so hard at another AP written by those people (add Logue and Leati to the mix, of course).

I'm pretty sure Paizo is past having an AP written entirely by men.


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Totally Not Gorbacz wrote:


I'm pretty sure Paizo is past having an AP written entirely by men.

If that's what makes an AP fun to run for you, then more power to you.


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demlin wrote:
Totally Not Gorbacz wrote:


I'm pretty sure Paizo is past having an AP written entirely by men.
If that's what makes an AP fun to run for you, then more power to you.

Yes, it does, and it will make me spend more money on them.

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Totally Not Gorbacz wrote:
WormysQueue wrote:
This might be nostalgia speaking and is probably completely unfair towards all the new voices adding to the Pathfinder universe, but reading all those names that worked at the Kingsmaker AP makes me realize that I would want to throw my money so hard at another AP written by those people (add Logue and Leati to the mix, of course).
I'm pretty sure Paizo is past having an AP written entirely by men.

Not if it's good. Quality is all that should matter.


The Post mentions that this AP spawned a novel - does anyone know the name of that novel?

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Totally Not Gorbacz wrote:
I'm pretty sure Paizo is past having an AP written entirely by men.

Well I'll happily expand my list of authors I'd love to see more from with Amber E. Scott, Crystal Frazier and Amber Stewart. This said, I wasn't trying to make a point about them being better writers than the authors of more recent APs. I was just saying that I absolutely loved what they did back then. And I certainly didn't want to instigate another diversity discussion. Didn't even cross my mind that my post could be taken this way, to be honest.


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I only play APs written by goblins. My favorites are the Paizo goblins.

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wgawga wrote:
The Post mentions that this AP spawned a novel - does anyone know the name of that novel?

Kingmaker was a significant initial inspiration for Pathifnder Online (one of the two video games it inspired, along with Owlcat's Kingmaker game of course), and the novel I mention above that got inspired by Kingmaker in all of that initial push was The Crusader Road.

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Great to see these memories!


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I miss Wesley's editorial touch. His name is on most of my favorite 1e splats, and his authorship is why I gave 5e's Theros a chance.

Paizo Employee Creative Director

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Leon Aquilla wrote:
I miss Wesley's editorial touch. His name is on most of my favorite 1e splats, and his authorship is why I gave 5e's Theros a chance.

I'm gonna be hanging out with him (and James Sutter) tonight for our yearly holiday horror/scifi movie night, so I'll let him know folks miss him! :-)

Grand Archive

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Now I want to know which novel was inspired by Kingmaker!....?

Grand Archive

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Oh, wait, never mind - I see James mentioned this in the thread. And, boy howdy, do I LOVE Crusader Road!

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James Jacobs wrote:
Leon Aquilla wrote:
I miss Wesley's editorial touch. His name is on most of my favorite 1e splats, and his authorship is why I gave 5e's Theros a chance.

I'm gonna be hanging out with him (and James Sutter) tonight for our yearly holiday horror/scifi movie night, so I'll let him know folks miss him! :-)

Tell him to return to social media! He's disappeared from the internet it seems and is missed by fans.


Well,James,I'm very happy to come back to these boards in order to congratulate you for,finally, crossing the finish line! I hope the succes of this AP will be proportional to the amount of time you devoted to it's complettion.

I'm looking forward to those new tangents and ideas you mentioned wanting to explore once this enormous pile of work would be in the rear view mirror.

Congrats to all the teams and solo contributors for an amazing feat of tenacity and dedication.

Well done!

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