paizo.com Recent Comments on Iconic Encounter: In Truth’s Lightpaizo.com Recent Comments on Iconic Encounter: In Truth’s Light2024-01-09T00:09:38Z2024-01-09T00:09:38ZRe: Forums/Pathfinder Second Edition: General Discussion: Paizo Blog: Iconic Encounter: In Truth’s LightCaptain Morganhttps://paizo.com/community/blog/v5748dyo6si3g?Iconic-Encounter-In-Truth-s-Light#212022-08-02T03:09:00Z2022-08-02T03:09:00Z<p>Baller. Question: can Exploit Vulnerability be used for things like Golem Antimagic or Sin Vulnerability? I know Mios triggered the sin weakness via the lantern, but Golem Antimagic is something named in Exploit Vulnerability so I'm wondering if the Thaumaturge is meant to leverage that themselves, and Sin Vulnerabilities feel like the sort of conceptual exploitation that is the class bread and butter.</p>
<p>Neither totally feels supported by RAW, and they might not be balanced, but man it fits the flavor.</p>Baller. Question: can Exploit Vulnerability be used for things like Golem Antimagic or Sin Vulnerability? I know Mios triggered the sin weakness via the lantern, but Golem Antimagic is something named in Exploit Vulnerability so I'm wondering if the Thaumaturge is meant to leverage that themselves, and Sin Vulnerabilities feel like the sort of conceptual exploitation that is the class bread and butter.
Neither totally feels supported by RAW, and they might not be balanced, but man it fits...Captain Morgan2022-08-02T03:09:00ZRe: Forums/Pathfinder Second Edition: General Discussion: Paizo Blog: Iconic Encounter: In Truth’s LightInvictus Fatumhttps://paizo.com/community/blog/v5748dyo6si3g?Iconic-Encounter-In-Truth-s-Light#202022-07-20T23:00:00Z2022-07-18T20:25:08Z<p>Thanks Mark for the class and for this story! You've now brought us two of my favorite classes (Summoner and now Thaumaturge). This story really helped me put the finishing touches on my Thaumaturge. I had the mechanics down, but was really struggling with ideology and thought process to bring the character's personality to light. The story has helped me understand what is behind the class a bit better.</p>
<p>The Dark Archives is fantastic, thanks to everybody who had a hand in it!</p>Thanks Mark for the class and for this story! You've now brought us two of my favorite classes (Summoner and now Thaumaturge). This story really helped me put the finishing touches on my Thaumaturge. I had the mechanics down, but was really struggling with ideology and thought process to bring the character's personality to light. The story has helped me understand what is behind the class a bit better.
The Dark Archives is fantastic, thanks to everybody who had a hand in it!Invictus Fatum2022-07-18T20:25:08ZRe: Forums/Pathfinder Second Edition: General Discussion: Paizo Blog: Iconic Encounter: In Truth’s Lightaobst128https://paizo.com/community/blog/v5748dyo6si3g?Iconic-Encounter-In-Truth-s-Light#192022-07-18T01:13:25Z2022-07-18T01:13:25Z<p>Mios also is at least 4 levels ahead of the demon going by the dispelling effects of the lantern.</p>Mios also is at least 4 levels ahead of the demon going by the dispelling effects of the lantern.aobst1282022-07-18T01:13:25ZRe: Forums/Pathfinder Second Edition: General Discussion: Paizo Blog: Iconic Encounter: In Truth’s LightMark Seifterhttps://paizo.com/community/blog/v5748dyo6si3g?Iconic-Encounter-In-Truth-s-Light#182022-07-23T17:46:33Z2022-07-18T00:02:26Z<p>A glabrezu is rough, but Mios in the story is well prepared, and they aren't kidding that they were one of the worst possible matchups for the demon to face, including starting off the fight with 3d6 mental damage before Mios even did anything from the lantern due to its truth vulnerability (you can see the glabrezu flinching back in the art), plus the cold iron sword is going to add 20 damage per hit from weakness, and possibly more if it was able to deal good damage. A prepared thaumaturge is a dangerous foe.</p>A glabrezu is rough, but Mios in the story is well prepared, and they aren't kidding that they were one of the worst possible matchups for the demon to face, including starting off the fight with 3d6 mental damage before Mios even did anything from the lantern due to its truth vulnerability (you can see the glabrezu flinching back in the art), plus the cold iron sword is going to add 20 damage per hit from weakness, and possibly more if it was able to deal good damage. A prepared thaumaturge...Mark Seifter2022-07-18T00:02:26ZRe: Forums/Pathfinder Second Edition: General Discussion: Paizo Blog: Iconic Encounter: In Truth’s LightBerseliushttps://paizo.com/community/blog/v5748dyo6si3g?Iconic-Encounter-In-Truth-s-Light#172022-07-18T04:53:55Z2022-07-17T23:04:25Z<p>Is Mios going to banish those two demons I wonder or slay them? A Glabrezu is a pretty tough encounter and it's not alone so I hope they're strong enough to survive.</p>Is Mios going to banish those two demons I wonder or slay them? A Glabrezu is a pretty tough encounter and it's not alone so I hope they're strong enough to survive.Berselius2022-07-17T23:04:25ZRe: Forums/Pathfinder Second Edition: General Discussion: Paizo Blog: Iconic Encounter: In Truth’s LightSibelius Eos Owmhttps://paizo.com/community/blog/v5748dyo6si3g?Iconic-Encounter-In-Truth-s-Light#162022-07-17T18:54:10Z2022-07-17T18:54:10Z<p>This was a fun read. I would read a novel in this style, a mystery adventure where the protagonist is steeped in so much folklore and esoteric knowledge that there's always 5 guesses what is truly going on. Is it possible this is the one time it's actually a bunyip and not Judy a really big vampiric hare? Mios was a fun protagonist to read.</p>This was a fun read. I would read a novel in this style, a mystery adventure where the protagonist is steeped in so much folklore and esoteric knowledge that there's always 5 guesses what is truly going on. Is it possible this is the one time it's actually a bunyip and not Judy a really big vampiric hare? Mios was a fun protagonist to read.Sibelius Eos Owm2022-07-17T18:54:10ZRe: Forums/Pathfinder Second Edition: General Discussion: Paizo Blog: Iconic Encounter: In Truth’s Lightmimphttps://paizo.com/community/blog/v5748dyo6si3g?Iconic-Encounter-In-Truth-s-Light#152022-07-19T17:29:21Z2022-07-17T05:53:24Z<p>This thoroughly reinvigorated my hype for thaumaturge. I love the flavor of being powered by superstition.</p>This thoroughly reinvigorated my hype for thaumaturge. I love the flavor of being powered by superstition.mimp2022-07-17T05:53:24ZRe: Forums/Pathfinder Second Edition: General Discussion: Paizo Blog: Iconic Encounter: In Truth’s LightTerminalArtistehttps://paizo.com/community/blog/v5748dyo6si3g?Iconic-Encounter-In-Truth-s-Light#142022-07-18T04:53:44Z2022-07-16T16:07:43Z<p>Oh, just when I thought I couldn't love the Thaumaturge class and Mios more...an excellent story!</p>Oh, just when I thought I couldn't love the Thaumaturge class and Mios more...an excellent story!TerminalArtiste2022-07-16T16:07:43ZRe: Forums/Pathfinder Second Edition: General Discussion: Paizo Blog: Iconic Encounter: In Truth’s LightThe Raven Blackhttps://paizo.com/community/blog/v5748dyo6si3g?Iconic-Encounter-In-Truth-s-Light#132022-07-16T05:50:42Z2022-07-16T05:50:42Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">Sanityfaerie wrote:</div><blockquote> <div class="messageboard-quotee">aobst128 wrote:</div><blockquote> Now I wonder what Mios's other 2 implements are. They swapped weapons so probably not weapon implement, they work solo so not regalia. I'd wager amulet for defense and wand when they can't chase down their quarry with a bum leg. </blockquote><p>They've got the candle. Could just be the bell and book.
<p>Still, yes, it •is• interesting to see Mios at work. I get this funky vibe of... they're a conspiracy theorist, but one where the theories follow along on paths untraveled by more normal logic, and wind up finding real monsters at the end with remarkable consistency. Eventually, your body count of "for-real monsters" gets large enough it has a credibility all its own, even if the explanations sound crazy.</p>
<p>...though, thinking about it, werewolves, vampires, demons and so forth that decide to infiltrate human society generally •would• prefer to be upper-class when they can manage it (and they often can). I suppose <i>that</i> well-earned bias is true enough even outside of Ustalav that it likely leads them right rather more often than it leads them wrong.</p>
<p>"They started acting weird, and then just vanished!"</p>
<p>"I've heard similar things elsewhere. Who were the wealthiest people that they'd spent time with in the month before their disappearance?"</p>
<p>I also notice that they're leveraging that Charisma in another way, too - from the sounds of things, their investigations involved a lot of "Go around and talk to people and ask questions."</p>
<p>It's all pretty cool. </blockquote><p>Wealth and status attract attention and envy.
<p>The wise disguised monster will live the life of a mundane nobody easily overlooked.</p>
<p>Thankfully, most monsters we know about have more Ego than wisdom.</p>Sanityfaerie wrote:aobst128 wrote: Now I wonder what Mios's other 2 implements are. They swapped weapons so probably not weapon implement, they work solo so not regalia. I'd wager amulet for defense and wand when they can't chase down their quarry with a bum leg.
They've got the candle. Could just be the bell and book. Still, yes, it *is* interesting to see Mios at work. I get this funky vibe of... they're a conspiracy theorist, but one where the theories follow along on paths untraveled by...The Raven Black2022-07-16T05:50:42ZRe: Forums/Pathfinder Second Edition: General Discussion: Paizo Blog: Iconic Encounter: In Truth’s LightEvan Tarltonhttps://paizo.com/community/blog/v5748dyo6si3g?Iconic-Encounter-In-Truth-s-Light#122022-07-16T04:59:34Z2022-07-16T04:59:34Z<p>I love everything about this— how Mios works, how thaumaturgy works (at least for Mios), and of course the social commentary. Thank you so much, Mark and Roena!</p>I love everything about this-- how Mios works, how thaumaturgy works (at least for Mios), and of course the social commentary. Thank you so much, Mark and Roena!Evan Tarlton2022-07-16T04:59:34ZRe: Forums/Pathfinder Second Edition: General Discussion: Paizo Blog: Iconic Encounter: In Truth’s LightValantrix1https://paizo.com/community/blog/v5748dyo6si3g?Iconic-Encounter-In-Truth-s-Light#112022-07-16T00:57:20Z2022-07-15T23:02:14Z<p>Love the story! The book is going to be glorious!</p>Love the story! The book is going to be glorious!Valantrix12022-07-15T23:02:14ZRe: Forums/Pathfinder Second Edition: General Discussion: Paizo Blog: Iconic Encounter: In Truth’s LightDragonchess Playerhttps://paizo.com/community/blog/v5748dyo6si3g?Iconic-Encounter-In-Truth-s-Light#102022-07-15T22:50:41Z2022-07-15T22:48:26Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">Sanityfaerie wrote:</div><blockquote> I also notice that they're leveraging that Charisma in another way, too - from the sounds of things, their investigations involved a lot of "Go around and talk to people and ask questions." </blockquote><p>Even though the investigator has the Columbo catchphrase "Just one more thing," it sounds as if Mios is more similar to Columbo than Quinn would be.
<p>Apart from the demon-/monster-/undead-slaying bit, of course.</p>Sanityfaerie wrote:I also notice that they're leveraging that Charisma in another way, too - from the sounds of things, their investigations involved a lot of "Go around and talk to people and ask questions."
Even though the investigator has the Columbo catchphrase "Just one more thing," it sounds as if Mios is more similar to Columbo than Quinn would be. Apart from the demon-/monster-/undead-slaying bit, of course.Dragonchess Player2022-07-15T22:48:26ZRe: Forums/Pathfinder Second Edition: General Discussion: Paizo Blog: Iconic Encounter: In Truth’s LightMark Seifterhttps://paizo.com/community/blog/v5748dyo6si3g?Iconic-Encounter-In-Truth-s-Light#92022-07-19T14:45:51Z2022-07-15T21:52:24Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">Sanityfaerie wrote:</div><blockquote> I also notice that they're leveraging that Charisma in another way, too - from the sounds of things, their investigations involved a lot of "Go around and talk to people and ask questions.</blockquote><p>That's definitely something I wanted to get across using as few words as possible (so like not writing out those pre-investigations, going straight to the action of checking the lodge, but instead presenting the info they had dredged up in a way that I hoped you could feel came from those kinds of interactions). Glad to see you picked up on that!Sanityfaerie wrote:I also notice that they're leveraging that Charisma in another way, too - from the sounds of things, their investigations involved a lot of "Go around and talk to people and ask questions.
That's definitely something I wanted to get across using as few words as possible (so like not writing out those pre-investigations, going straight to the action of checking the lodge, but instead presenting the info they had dredged up in a way that I hoped you could feel came from...Mark Seifter2022-07-15T21:52:24ZRe: Forums/Pathfinder Second Edition: General Discussion: Paizo Blog: Iconic Encounter: In Truth’s LightSanityfaeriehttps://paizo.com/community/blog/v5748dyo6si3g?Iconic-Encounter-In-Truth-s-Light#82022-07-18T04:53:01Z2022-07-15T21:40:23Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">aobst128 wrote:</div><blockquote> Now I wonder what Mios's other 2 implements are. They swapped weapons so probably not weapon implement, they work solo so not regalia. I'd wager amulet for defense and wand when they can't chase down their quarry with a bum leg. </blockquote><p>They've got the candle. Could just be the bell and book.
<p>Still, yes, it •is• interesting to see Mios at work. I get this funky vibe of... they're a conspiracy theorist, but one where the theories follow along on paths untraveled by more normal logic, and wind up finding real monsters at the end with remarkable consistency. Eventually, your body count of "for-real monsters" gets large enough it has a credibility all its own, even if the explanations sound crazy.</p>
<p>...though, thinking about it, werewolves, vampires, demons and so forth that decide to infiltrate human society generally •would• prefer to be upper-class when they can manage it (and they often can). I suppose <i>that</i> well-earned bias is true enough even outside of Ustalav that it likely leads them right rather more often than it leads them wrong.</p>
<p>"They started acting weird, and then just vanished!"</p>
<p>"I've heard similar things elsewhere. Who were the wealthiest people that they'd spent time with in the month before their disappearance?"</p>
<p>I also notice that they're leveraging that Charisma in another way, too - from the sounds of things, their investigations involved a lot of "Go around and talk to people and ask questions."</p>
<p>It's all pretty cool.</p>aobst128 wrote:Now I wonder what Mios's other 2 implements are. They swapped weapons so probably not weapon implement, they work solo so not regalia. I'd wager amulet for defense and wand when they can't chase down their quarry with a bum leg.
They've got the candle. Could just be the bell and book. Still, yes, it *is* interesting to see Mios at work. I get this funky vibe of... they're a conspiracy theorist, but one where the theories follow along on paths untraveled by more normal logic,...Sanityfaerie2022-07-15T21:40:23ZRe: Forums/Pathfinder Second Edition: General Discussion: Paizo Blog: Iconic Encounter: In Truth’s LightWWHsmackdownhttps://paizo.com/community/blog/v5748dyo6si3g?Iconic-Encounter-In-Truth-s-Light#72022-07-23T17:43:54Z2022-07-15T21:15:35Z<p>The superstition part never clicked for me during the playtest but I see it now. I'm now fully onboard with it being a charisma class. Great story!</p>The superstition part never clicked for me during the playtest but I see it now. I'm now fully onboard with it being a charisma class. Great story!WWHsmackdown2022-07-15T21:15:35ZRe: Forums/Pathfinder Second Edition: General Discussion: Paizo Blog: Iconic Encounter: In Truth’s LightJohn R.https://paizo.com/community/blog/v5748dyo6si3g?Iconic-Encounter-In-Truth-s-Light#62022-07-15T20:46:08Z2022-07-15T20:46:08Z<p>Mios's internal monologue reminds me a lot of Geralt. The pacing, to-the-point and lack of flowery language and knowledge of subject matter is almost an exact match.</p>Mios's internal monologue reminds me a lot of Geralt. The pacing, to-the-point and lack of flowery language and knowledge of subject matter is almost an exact match.John R.2022-07-15T20:46:08ZRe: Forums/Pathfinder Second Edition: General Discussion: Paizo Blog: Iconic Encounter: In Truth’s Lightaobst128https://paizo.com/community/blog/v5748dyo6si3g?Iconic-Encounter-In-Truth-s-Light#52022-07-15T19:54:26Z2022-07-15T19:54:26Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">The Raven Black wrote:</div><blockquote><p> Excellent though I was surprised by the strongly analytical method.</p>
<p>I believe Iconics are single class, but I could have sworn Mios had MC Investigator. Up to using the pick, which is good for crit fishing with DAS. </blockquote><p>Yeah it's kinda "investigatory" but that could be attributed to the lantern and simply being careful and perceptive. For the clever and careful thaumaturge envisioned here, there could also be a chalice thaumaturge that would just bust down the doors with little care for planning. They have a bag of contingencies. They've done all the planning they need.The Raven Black wrote:Excellent though I was surprised by the strongly analytical method.
I believe Iconics are single class, but I could have sworn Mios had MC Investigator. Up to using the pick, which is good for crit fishing with DAS.
Yeah it's kinda "investigatory" but that could be attributed to the lantern and simply being careful and perceptive. For the clever and careful thaumaturge envisioned here, there could also be a chalice thaumaturge that would just bust down the doors with...aobst1282022-07-15T19:54:26ZRe: Forums/Pathfinder Second Edition: General Discussion: Paizo Blog: Iconic Encounter: In Truth’s LightThe Raven Blackhttps://paizo.com/community/blog/v5748dyo6si3g?Iconic-Encounter-In-Truth-s-Light#42022-07-15T19:27:52Z2022-07-15T19:27:52Z<p>Excellent though I was surprised by the strongly analytical method.</p>
<p>I believe Iconics are single class, but I could have sworn Mios had MC Investigator. Up to using the pick, which is good for crit fishing with DAS.</p>Excellent though I was surprised by the strongly analytical method.
I believe Iconics are single class, but I could have sworn Mios had MC Investigator. Up to using the pick, which is good for crit fishing with DAS.The Raven Black2022-07-15T19:27:52ZRe: Forums/Pathfinder Second Edition: General Discussion: Paizo Blog: Iconic Encounter: In Truth’s Lightaobst128https://paizo.com/community/blog/v5748dyo6si3g?Iconic-Encounter-In-Truth-s-Light#32022-07-15T19:25:45Z2022-07-15T19:17:05Z<p>Now I wonder what Mios's other 2 implements are. They swapped weapons so probably not weapon implement, they work solo so not regalia. I'd wager amulet for defense and wand when they can't chase down their quarry with a bum leg.</p>Now I wonder what Mios's other 2 implements are. They swapped weapons so probably not weapon implement, they work solo so not regalia. I'd wager amulet for defense and wand when they can't chase down their quarry with a bum leg.aobst1282022-07-15T19:17:05ZRe: Forums/Pathfinder Second Edition: General Discussion: Paizo Blog: Iconic Encounter: In Truth’s Lightaobst128https://paizo.com/community/blog/v5748dyo6si3g?Iconic-Encounter-In-Truth-s-Light#22022-07-16T18:03:47Z2022-07-15T19:02:18Z<p>Awesome. Really like the anti-mage aspects of the class here. A deep understanding of magic and the supernatural without casting works well for it's identity. Of course, you only get the dispelling effects at 17th level but the iconics have the excuse to show off everything the class can get. Good job.</p>Awesome. Really like the anti-mage aspects of the class here. A deep understanding of magic and the supernatural without casting works well for it's identity. Of course, you only get the dispelling effects at 17th level but the iconics have the excuse to show off everything the class can get. Good job.aobst1282022-07-15T19:02:18ZForums/Pathfinder Second Edition: General Discussion: Paizo Blog: Iconic Encounter: In Truth’s LightDubious Scholar (alias of Matthew Scheele)https://paizo.com/community/blog/v5748dyo6si3g?Iconic-Encounter-In-Truth-s-Light#12022-07-23T17:42:44Z2022-07-15T18:03:38Z<p>This story really captures the spirit of the class I think. Very nice!</p>This story really captures the spirit of the class I think. Very nice!Dubious Scholar (alias of Matthew Scheele)2022-07-15T18:03:38Z