Core Rulebook 2nd Printing Errata

Hope the errata is helpful to everyone! :)

Before folks start talking about the errata in detail in this thread, I just want to take a moment to tell everyone how amazing the work of Katina Davis, Maryssa Lagervall, and Andrew White was to get all of these coordinated and up. We hadn't realized Humble Bundle orders were coming out until a few hours ago, and they managed to get this all up and running at lightning speed. They are the heroes who got you this information tonight!

YYYYEEEAH!
Awesome!
Need to read all the changes!

(I already knew the "worn/held/etc" items changes because of the Gear cards, but nice to not be the only source on the internet of these rules! xD )

Please give our sincere and loud thanks to Katina, Maryssa, and Andrew in addition to the rest of the team.

We know we've been more than a bit ansty waiting for this but the efforts are very much appreciated!

This is some good stuff. Thank you!

Huzzah! Many thankies Katina, Maryssa, and Andrew ^w^

Where is the complete list of changes?

Where is the complete list of changes?

Seconded, and thanks in advance!

Edit: Apparently this is already posted!

https://paizo.com/pathfinder/faq

(Hat tip to Elfteiroh for noting it first!)

All the errata from first printing to second printing should get there (Pathfinder FAQ) soon. Some of the changes are already in, others seems to take some time to "load"?

Y'all beat me to the punch asking, and Elfteiroh thank you for sharing.

We've asked that a hyperlink to the FAQ's page be added to the blog for clarity.

Part 2 of the FAQ is up now :3

Does this mean if we order a new copy of the CRB from Paizo today, we'd get a second printing with errata included?

Does this mean if we order a new copy of the CRB from Paizo today, we'd get a second printing with errata included?

The Pathfinder Core Rulebook hardcover, softcover Pocket Edition coming in December, and the PDF will all include the 2nd printing errata.

The Special Editions are first printing, have only non-mint condition copies left in our warehouse at this time, and will not be reprinted.

The first printings copies were essentially gone a year after the launch.

Awesome! Here's hoping for a Pocket Edition in the near future!

NielsenE wrote:

Does this mean if we order a new copy of the CRB from Paizo today, we'd get a second printing with errata included?

The Pathfinder Core Rulebook hardcover, softcover Pocket Edition coming in December, and the PDF will all include the 2nd printing errata.

The Special Editions are first printing, have only non-mint condition copies left in our warehouse at this time, and will not be reprinted.

The first printings copies were essentially gone a year after the launch.

There's a softcover 2E CRB in December?

Thank you for releasing errata, BTW!

Looking at the Sustain a Spell action, there is no clarification within the action. What is the clarification you are implying that there now is?

Awesome! Here's hoping for a Pocket Edition in the near future!

PF2 CRB Pocket Edition

Listed for early December release

Yes, we are releasing Pocket Editions of the Pathfinder Core Rulebook, Bestiary, Gamemastery Guide, and Bestiary 2, starting in December. See our release schedule in the toolbar below.

Looking at the Sustain a Spell action, there is no clarification within the action. What is the clarification you are implying that there now is?

According to some other persons, I have not seen it yet myself, it is now under the description of each spell...

I thought they would have erratad the action itself. Guess I was wrong.

Yes, we are releasing Pocket Editions of the Pathfinder Core Rulebook, Bestiary, Gamemastery Guide, and Bestiary 2, starting in December. See our release schedule in the toolbar below.

Here is a link to the CRB Pocket Edition! :)

So it looks like, as is, the new round of errata is split between both the 'Pathfinder Core Rulebook Errata' and 'Pathfinder Core Rulebook Errata (Part 2)' dropdowns. Looks to me that there are things that as far as I can see were not included in the first round, such as Quicksilver Mutagen only applying to dexterity-based attack rolls now rather than ranged attack rolls.

This does make it a biiiiit hard to find out what has changed. I'll try and make a 'just the new stuff' list unless someone already has.

This does make it a biiiiit hard to find out what has changed. I'll try and make a 'just the new stuff' list unless someone already has.

There were some "stealth errata" that were already in the FAQ page as early as last August (which is when they were called to my attention).

That 'first errata' section has been edited a bit since it was originally posted.

Update: Copy pasting the part 1 errata into a word doc (A4 page size) takes up 22 pages. Irori save me.

Looking at the Sustain a Spell action, there is no clarification within the action. What is the clarification you are implying that there now is?

+1

*thumbs up* ;)

is the link broken for anyone else?

EDIT: It works when i use firefox. broken on BRAVE browser i think.

Will this errata be released as a printable pdf or just live at the FAQ page?

is the link broken for anyone else?

Works fine for me.

is the link broken for anyone else?

Works for me

Will this errata be released as a printable pdf or just live at the FAQ page?

If you have a digital copy of the CRB, that pdf has already been updated.

They don't usually create a separate errata pdf.

In general, once you buy the digital version of a Paizo product, you always get the updates to that product automatically

In general, once you buy the digital version of a Paizo product, you always get the updates to that product automatically

I think it's more people that have the 1st printing of the physical book that'd want an errata PDF.

So you need a hand free to use a worn item, right?

Any chance of getting this in a printable format so it can be slid into the back of our first printing core rulebooks?

I don't understand this:

"Class Chapter (all spellcasting classes): Change the definition of cantrips to say "A cantrip is automatically heightened to half your level rounded up, which equals the highest-level of <Classname> spell slot you have." filling in the appropriate class name. This removes the ambiguities around the cantrip level of a non-spellcaster vs a multiclass spellcaster."

For example, if your character becomes a 4th level fighter and you pick up the multiclass dedication for sorcerer, then half your level (rounded up) is 2. But the highest level spell slot you have is a cantrip (level 1). So I feel like it's confusing/contradictory because the "which equals."

What was the intention here?

is the link broken for anyone else?

It's not just you. It's broken for me too. I've been seeing sporadic Internal 500 errors for weeks and this page seems affected by it.

I think it's more people that have the 1st printing of the physical book that'd want an errata PDF.

Mine's all full of tipped-in errata. Printed out, cut apart, and lightly taped over the relevant lines.

I'm just going to grab a pocket version for a conveniently clean restart.

So you need a hand free to use a worn item, right?

Yes. Worn just changes how many actions it takes to draw/retrieve it.

PS: I also wanted to note that the FAQ page is VERY hard to read, possibly because of my colorblindness. Any chance of swapping the color to easier to read ones?

PPS: is there new errata in the 1st section too?

Xenocrat wrote:

So you need a hand free to use a worn item, right?

Yes. Worn just changes how many actions it takes to draw/retrieve it.

PS: I also wanted to note that the FAQ page is VERY hard to read, possibly because of my colorblindness. Any chance of swapping the color to easier to read ones?

And does this actually settle battlefield medicine?

Arnim Thayer wrote:

Will this errata be released as a printable pdf or just live at the FAQ page?

If you have a digital copy of the CRB, that pdf has already been updated.

They don't usually create a separate errata pdf.

Incorrect, they created pdfs for every crb errata in 1e.

And this method of updating makes it very hard to keep track of what was added and when.

Also, hmmm even with the new errata in part 1 this is a bit annemic. Better than nothing, but I suppose a year of waiting had me expecting more given dev comments late last year.

Shame there isn't a FAQ section anymore.

graystone wrote:

Xenocrat wrote:

So you need a hand free to use a worn item, right?

Yes. Worn just changes how many actions it takes to draw/retrieve it.

PS: I also wanted to note that the FAQ page is VERY hard to read, possibly because of my colorblindness. Any chance of swapping the color to easier to read ones?

And does this actually settle battlefield medicine?

Yes

I know this question has been asked since Day One. The pertinent text of the CRB seems to leave room for multiple interpretations. I didn't see this addressed in the new errata, though I'll look a second time. In the meantime, though, is there any chance we can get an answer here?

Consider the following scenarios:
I'm a P1E Sorcerer. I know Feather Fall. I am completely out of 1st-level spell slots (never mind why), though I still have all my higher level slots. I'm falling to my doom. What do I do? I accept the slight inefficiency of using a 2nd-level slot to cast a 1st-level spell (since all I need is a spell slot of AT LEAST the spell's level), avoid dying, and go about my day.

I'm a P2E Sorcerer. I know Feather Fall as a 1st-level spell and not as a signature spell. I'm completely out of 1st-level spell slots (never mind why here as well) and also have plenty of higher level slots. I'm falling to my doom, too. What do I do? Is the only appropriate spell slot for a 1st-level, NON-signature spell a 1st-level slot (and therefore I'm going SPLAT)? Or is it a spell slot of AT LEAST 1st-level (therefore allowing 2nd-level, 3rd-level, and so on slots to also be used, albeit with the caveat that the resulting 1st-level Feather Fall counts in ALL ways as a 1st-level spell, including ease of dispelling, despite being fueled by a higher level slot)?

Also, I'm aware of a one-word maybe-it's-an-answer response from a developer to a similar question on another website. Given its brevity, it's no more definitive an answer than the CRB's text, assuming it's even answering the question at hand (an assumption due to, again, the response's brevity). So if this question is answered here, can we please get a FULL and unambiguous answer?

Thanks!

Staves are also staff weapons (page 280). They can be etched with fundamental runes but not property runes. This doesn’t alter any of their spellcasting abilities.

No more shifting staves it seems. That always felt too good to be true to me, so I'm not too surprised to see it gone.

I like the bandoliers and other containers getting abstracted away into worn items. Although, am I missing something or is there nothing preventing a character from declaring every single of their items is worn? There's the 2 Bulk limit on worn tools, but nothing on other worn items.

Also, I can't help but think that the new cantrip wording will make stuff confusing when the SoM classes come out with their spell slots locked at the 9th level, but not their cantrips.

Argh no clarifications to wild shape. That's really annoying. Glad for alchemist players though, lots of attention for them.

There is at least one errata in the list that doesn't seem to have made it into the second printing.

248: To reflect the clarification on healer's tools allowing you to draw them as part of the action if you're wearing them, change the Requirements to "You are holding healer's tools, or you are wearing them and have a hand free"

The second printing just has:
You’re wearing or holding healer’s tools (page 290).

Just want to re-itterate, this method has made it really hard to collate what has changed and learn the changes without going through literally everything.

Please paizo, brainstorm something else in the future, even having a "filter by date" option would be nice... it doesn't have to be a pdf... a google/excel sheet would do...

I like the bandoliers and other containers getting abstracted away into worn items. Although, am I missing something or is there nothing preventing a character from declaring every single of their items is worn? There's the 2 Bulk limit on worn tools, but nothing on other worn items.

Yeah, this feels a bit... loose?

To the point where I might have to houserule something just so it doesn't become a point of contention with some of my players.

Maybe something like changing a backpack to be a 2 bulk bag of holding while worn and calling it stowed weight? I hate the thematics of it but it stays RAW but reduces confusion.

graystone wrote:

Xenocrat wrote:

So you need a hand free to use a worn item, right?

Yes. Worn just changes how many actions it takes to draw/retrieve it.

PS: I also wanted to note that the FAQ page is VERY hard to read, possibly because of my colorblindness. Any chance of swapping the color to easier to read ones?

And does this actually settle battlefield medicine?

Unfortunately [for me] yes: Needing 2 free hands to use battle medicine kills a lot of builds as most non-pure casters have something in hand during combat.

So they've brought back the PF1ism of attack actions and actions that are attacks being separate things again. Cool??

Makes finesse weapons with maneuver traits noticeably less appealing.

First things first: YAY! Thank you for the errata!

Some interesting ones so far that are niche/smaller:

Polar Ray doubles damage on critical now

Spiritual Weapon no longer has the attack trait, making it pretty dang strong IMO, but also several other spells lost the trait

Quicksilver now works with finesse weapons, making it extremely powerful on Swashbucklers and Rogues

Sleeper hold lost the attack trait, yay! I think that’s new anyways...

Animal Companions can now get +3 armor

Familiars officially cannot make Strikes

Parry doesn’t trigger AoOs anymore

Most object damaging spells can no longer damage objects

There’s some other stuff I’m still processing, but this is confusing to me and seems to have interesting ramifications:

Page 446: Attack Rolls. There was some confusion as to whether skill checks with the attack trait (such as Grapple or Trip) are also attack rolls at the same time. They are not. To make this clear, add this sentence to the beginning of the definition of attack roll "When you use a Strike action or make a spell attack, you attempt a check called an attack roll."

So now finesse weapons with trip can’t use Dex for athletics? Weird.

Was hoping to see battle form changes (guess it’s up to gms on when to allow athletics actions for getting out of grapple).

The new worn rules and alchemist changes are amazing. Guess I’ll have to buy another copy, because now the alchemist just became a LOT better.

Bandoliers being removed from the book entirely (except as a point of reference on page 271) is interesting regarding worn/stowed/etc. items. Now we need to figure out if there's a limit on worn items (not including worn magical items which is a different thing).

Page 373: In spiritual weapon, you might not have a deity, particularly if you're an occult caster, so change it to manifest a "a club, a dagger, or your deity's favored weapon."

This is neat for Spiritual Weapon on top of losing the attack trait. It's not mentioned directly, but I'm sure this means the deity requirement is removed as well.