Pathfinder (second edition) Achievement Point Update

Still waiting for the bigger announcement on AcP........

Thanks for the hard work! I did see that some of my numbers had changed to a better (although not accurate) number while others had remained the same and with slightly different language.

It's clear you are poking at things and I appreciate it!

It says I have 202 AcP now. That's much better. Now if only I had something to buy :(

What about the Playtest Point system?

Are those of us who waited out of luck, or will it be back up eventually?

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Also, thanks for keeping us informed with the issues/progress with the AcP system.

Oh, poor Janira! What a trooper!!

Appreciate the update!

Still waiting for the bigger announcement on AcP........

Care to enlighten the rest of us?

I think he's waiting for the announcement where they actually become spendable.

Why does Janira have pointed ears?

Hold over artwork probably. Most people don't even know that halflings changed in 2E and no longer have pointed ears.

Wait wha-they don’t anymore?!?!

It should clearly be “Rose. Nasturtium. Gallardia. Poppy. Primrose. Lilly. Lavender. Viola,”

Wait wha-they don’t anymore?!?!

News to me as well!

Tho to be fair I feel the artwork has never been consistent.

Goblins even more so.

this is the actual process for updating the paizo code

Oh nice, my AcP is closer to correct now.

...I probably am not supposed to be getting 6 AcP per quest though for the ones I played at a con!

Why does Janira have pointed ears?

I'm pretty sure she's just wearing a pair of cosplay Elf ears these days.

Thanks for the update Tonya!

I may get hate mail but at least my AcP appears to be right! Both as a player and as a GM at various tiers of games.

Also, love the new picture of Janira!

This actually isn't technically new, it's interior art from The Absalom Initiation.

Less than a year old is still new for me!

Gnomes supposedly don't have pointy ears either, but what people don't know is it is a matter of personal gnome preference. We're fey children, our hair and ears do whatever we want them to do.

Hold over artwork probably. Most people don't even know that halflings changed in 2E and no longer have pointed ears.

I thought there were subraces of halflings that did and others that did not. Or maybe I'm dating myself and that is from a really old edition.

And then there's David Weber's halflings - they have small horns, which is actually kind of cool.

I am already seeing the changes. The only hiccup I see in my points is the GM credits for standard scenarios. I am only getting 6 credits vs the 8 I should be getting.

Keep up the good work, nearly there.

Rysky wrote:

Wait wha-they don’t anymore?!?!

News to me as well!

Tho to be fair I feel the artwork has never been consistent.

Goblins even more so.

With goblins you never know if its because the goblin actually looks that way, they did body modifications. Or they had an unfortunate accident with a lawn mower and ended up like this.

Gnomes supposedly don't have pointy ears either, but what people don't know is it is a matter of personal gnome preference. We're fey children, our hair and ears do whatever we want them to do.

I thought gnomes were supposed to have pointed ears, though.

Whisper it very softly but it looks like AcP might actually be working right now. My total certainly looks far more in line with what it should be. I am now getting 8 for GM'ig regular games rather than 6 and the other numbers look like they might be right.

You jinxed it.

My points lost all their venue bonuses.

I have heard that if you recalc your points it might make things look better.

Just leave the system alone until they announce it's working and online. Even if the points were correct, you it doesn't do anything if the boons aren't online and ready to be bought.

It is good to have guidance because if the decision is to allow some type of AcP award for non-firing tables, they could be award without the system for counting AcP working correctly on Paizo.

Guys are getting closer by the day. Now, by my calculations, only 2 points off. (Well from those that have been reported)

They got the GMing credit sorted out, but then took away the premier status of Outpost III game I ran.

Rysky wrote:

Wait wha-they don’t anymore?!?!

News to me as well!

Tho to be fair I feel the artwork has never been consistent.

Goblins even more so.

My halfling character has pointed ears. I care not for such retcons!

Nefreet wrote:

Rysky wrote:

Wait wha-they don’t anymore?!?!

News to me as well!

Tho to be fair I feel the artwork has never been consistent.

Goblins even more so.

My halfling character has pointed ears. I care not for such retcons!

It's not a retcon, I think Tar-Baphon altered reality. Halflings around Golarion went to bed with pointy ears and, after Siege of Gallowspire, woke up with round ears.

Tin foil hats for sale, fifty cents each or three for a buck! While supplies last!

What about the Playtest Point system?

Are those of us who waited out of luck, or will it be back up eventually?

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Also, thanks for keeping us informed with the issues/progress with the AcP system.

I'm with you here, I was so busy getting ready to run 2e, I never spent any, since there was never an expiration announcement made.

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Also somewhere in this mess is also the star system being fixed.

Everything I have read is that the playtest points are not gone. Just MIA until they get the AcP part working correctly.

Oh hey, they did another update!

I have my 60 Playtest Points back.

I also have Starfinder table credit once again -- it's somewhat low, though. It lists only 101 Starfinder tables, and I reached that tally in February and have since been GMing Starfinder once a week throughout the pandemic, plus extra tables from my AP on the weekends and from online Play-by-Post. Still, it is nice to see tables once again!

My AcP count looks a bit high, though. It jumped almost 20 points since I last saw it, but maybe I miscounted where I am in the system.

EDIT: The ACP calculator is definitely off. It gave me 10 ACP for GMing a quest (Q4 Port Peril Pub Crawl) for OutPost III. As much as I would love to have that much ACP, I haven't earned it yet. 10 would be the amount one would earn for doing a full scenario at a premier status convention.

Hmm

My Achievement points are still way off. I should have... I think 116 and I currently have 39. So it's still a mess.

There's a number of common bugs. The most common of which appears to add 1 extra ACP to each GM'd scenario and no GM table credit. Its commonly offset by a different bug that awards correct GM credit but no ACP on other events. As a result, ACP total often end up close to correct, with a vastly understated GM table total. I'd still expect a lot of fluctuation as they dig through the various bugs. I think I've reported 10 different classes of errors to Tonya, but any given GM seems to only see 2-3 of them (at least looking at the events for which I'm a reporter).

I'm surprised that within an event there's a range of error modes, but that the error modes tend to be consistent for a given GM across events.

Darn. I saw an Iruxi signed up for one of my PaizoCon games and thought the Boon had finally become available.

That might be an uncomfortable conversation to have at the start of the game...

I now have a Download button for my playtest boon.

It downloads a seemingly corrupted file that pdf readers will still read that is missing almost all the text except character number and boon title.

So that's progress I think

Tied to what Robert said when I downloaded it wasn't a PDF file, but if you rename it to a .PDF file it should be able to open it :)

Tied to what Robert said when I downloaded it wasn't a PDF file, but if you rename it to a .PDF file it should be able to open it :)

Also, a lot of old reported scenarios now credits 9 achievement points instead of 8, but more recent ones they have a counter of ACP and GM credits combined (8+1) which seems counting the PF2 tables recorded as GM (which by consequence doesn't work either because the ones with the 9 ACP are not counted).

I see small steps of improvement every time, but I really think they do not have a quality environment and all changes and tests are made in prod.

NightTrace wrote:

Tied to what Robert said when I downloaded it wasn't a PDF file, but if you rename it to a .PDF file it should be able to open it :)

Also, a lot of old reported scenarios now credits 9 achievement points instead of 8, but more recent ones they have a counter of ACP and GM credits combined (8+1) which seems counting the PF2 tables recorded as GM (which by consequence doesn't work either because the ones with the 9 ACP are not counted).

I see small steps of improvement every time, but I really think they do not have a quality environment and all changes and tests are made in prod.

I think you're right. I'm a software engineer and paizo's website sometimes stresses me out, ha ha

Darn. I saw an Iruxi signed up for one of my PaizoCon games and thought the Boon had finally become available.

That might be an uncomfortable conversation to have at the start of the game...

You have access to that person's email if you click on Manage Session. Maybe have the conversation before the table starts?

I looked at mine. Interesting that for my GenCon tables I get 13 AcP but no GM credit. The GenCon tables should have 12 AcP.

Mine also does not appear to have the RSP flag set yet. So I am off.

Another interesting item. The total on the website does not equal what is the reported AcP if you add them individually (or put into a spreadsheet like I did.)

I was trying to search for information about when the achievement point accumulation would be stated to have begun. I couldn't find it, but then my search probably rolled quite low.

Are the achievement points retroactive to when we started playing 2e, or is there a date for when it started to count?

I looked at mine. Interesting that for my GenCon tables I get 13 AcP but no GM credit. The GenCon tables should have 12 AcP.

You may notice that tables where you’re being credited for an extra AcP also are not counting for your total number of tables of PF2. All the tables I’ve GMed (which happen to all either be from GenCon or from a local premier con, so all five give more than the base amount of AcP) are giving me one more AcP than they should and none of them are being counted towards my total PF2 tables run.

Are the achievement points retroactive to when we started playing 2e, or is there a date for when it started to count?

They should be retroactive. I am getting points from all the way back in August/October when I started playing/running 2e.

Alright. Thank you. I guess now we just wait to see if all the missing ones get added in. :) It's no rush, since I'm waiting to spend the points on those special boons anyway. With all the online cons running each upcoming month, I hope the staff gets at least some breathing room. LOL

So looked this morning at my points.

A Big improvement! It shows i have 25 table credits for 2e. I think I should have 25.5, assuming quests are 1/4 a table. So very close on that!

The AcP are also much close, within single digits.

As far as I am concerned, it looks good. Closing in on my 2nd Gylph.

Mine is much improved as well, I see two recurring problems, and two oddities that I can't confirm if systemic or one-off issues.

Systemic problems:
Plaguestone and non-repeatable scenarios after 1-14 that you've GM'd more than once aren't awarding ACP on second (or later) runnings. They are awarding GM credit correctly.

A number of my regions GMs are still receiving 0 GM credit on their sessions at some past conventions. It only seems to affect some GMs and it tends to affect them across all event codes.

Oddities:
I used to have one session that awarded 2e ACP and 1e GM credit. That session has changed to 1e GM, 2e GM, and 2e ACP. So its closer, still not sure why its also awarding 1e GM. Additionally my total table count is 1 short of the table count from summing the listed GM credits, so I'm guessing that its still skipping that session somehow.

I have an odd number of total ACP, none of my individual ACP amounts are odd. Mathematically this is impossible. Specifically I'm 5 ACP below what my total should be, from summing the individual ACP. I do have five sessions in the 'no ACP because repeat' systemic issue, not sure if each of those introduces a further off-by-one error, or its just a coincidence.

Additionally two quest related things:
I've run 8 quests, two of them award 1 GM credit. It has been confirmed that each quest should be 0.25 GM credit. So mathematically this looks right. However it is odd that my 7th and my 8th quest were the ones that awarded credit, should have been 4th and 8th.

I think I've still heard reports that quests at conventions are awarding scenario rather than quest ACP values.