Pathfinder Second Edition Launches NOW!

[TOZ] Huzzah! [/TOZ]

YAY!!!!! *Starts running in circles screaming and waving hands*

I HAZ THE BOOOOOOKS

I HAZ THE BOOOOOOKS

I HAZ ALL THE PDFs

Pregen link is broken.

No organized play guide yet either?

Big congratulations, Paizo!!

Hooray! Looking over the Bestiary PDF right now as I wait for my physical CRB to arrive >_<

Will Syrinscapre release a soundset for Age of Ashes?

And where is the guide for organized play?

Or a functioning link to the pregens?

TOS 2nd CORE edition, which is a Character creation and maintenance tool for PF2 is currently being tested, and should be available soon on the Paizo store!

Announcements of availability will be made once it lunches on the Store.

Cheers!

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Got my digital CRB, looks great :D
Now waiting for the bestiary to be registred into my accoung

Already deep in my pdf CRB, I much like what I see so far (I started with the Playing the Game section).

Where can I purchase the PDFs?

Where can I purchase the PDFs?

Bestiary

CRB

Age of Ashes AP

Fall of Plaguestone

Congratulations!! I have been reading through my .pdf copy of the CRB this morning (during break, of course...I would never conceive of reading it on work time ;) ). The presentation is elegant and clean and the information is shared in a very digestible way. I appreciate all of the hard work and can't wait to pick up my physical copy at Gen Con (tomorrow) and get playing!

Got the core PDF's and, to nobodys big surprise here I'm sure, I'm not a fan of what made it into the released rules. Some stuff is better, but oh boy. Magic is gutted (especially blasting), the ten minute workday is in full force. I'm personally unhappy that the Paladin was watered down, but I'm sure I'll be pretty alone in that demografic. At least the Sorcerer is not as much of a raging dumpster fire as it was in the playtest. But to see the Alchemist gutted as well, one of the best classes to come out of 1E...

Oh, well. I got all my 1E books to keep me company. You guys have all the fun (and don't be mad at old farts like me who shake their stick at you).

I just hope that the third AP will have a more interesting story premise than the first two of 2E. I still gotta see how the first one converts back to 1E before I really decide if I want to keep up the suscription.

Got the core PDF's and, to nobodys big surprise I'm sure, I'm not a fan of what made it into the released rules. Some stuff is better, but oh boy. Magic is gutted (especially blasting), the ten minute workday is in full force. I'm personally unhappy that the Paladin was watered down, but I'm sure I'll be pretty alone in that demografic. At least the Sorcerer is not as much of a raging dumpster fire as it was in the playtest. But to see the Alchemist gutted as well, one of the best classes to come out of 1E...

Oh, well. I got all my 1E books to keep me company. You guys have all the fun (and don't be mad at old farts like me who shake their stick at you).

I just hope that the third AP will have a more interesting story premise than the first two of 2E. I still gotta see how the first one converts back to 1E before I really decide if I want to keep up the suscription.

I wish I could disagree with you. I really do. Save me a table in whichever 1e old farts retirement home you're in, I'll be along shortly.

Got the core PDF's and, to nobodys big surprise I'm sure, I'm not a fan of what made it into the released rules. Some stuff is better, but oh boy. Magic is gutted (especially blasting), the ten minute workday is in full force. I'm personally unhappy that the Paladin was watered down, but I'm sure I'll be pretty alone in that demografic. At least the Sorcerer is not as much of a raging dumpster fire as it was in the playtest. But to see the Alchemist gutted as well, one of the best classes to come out of 1E...

10 minute workdays and terrible blasting? Are we sure we aren't talking about PF1 here?

magnuskn wrote:

Got the core PDF's and, to nobodys big surprise I'm sure, I'm not a fan of what made it into the released rules. Some stuff is better, but oh boy. Magic is gutted (especially blasting), the ten minute workday is in full force. I'm personally unhappy that the Paladin was watered down, but I'm sure I'll be pretty alone in that demografic. At least the Sorcerer is not as much of a raging dumpster fire as it was in the playtest. But to see the Alchemist gutted as well, one of the best classes to come out of 1E...

10 minute workdays and terrible blasting? Are we sure we aren't talking about PF1 here?

If you think PF1 blasting is terrible, you're not doing it correctly. ^^

And PF1E at least had the 15 minute workday, PF2E is IMO shooting to shorten it even further. :p

Congratulations all!

swoosh wrote:

magnuskn wrote:

Got the core PDF's and, to nobodys big surprise I'm sure, I'm not a fan of what made it into the released rules. Some stuff is better, but oh boy. Magic is gutted (especially blasting), the ten minute workday is in full force. I'm personally unhappy that the Paladin was watered down, but I'm sure I'll be pretty alone in that demografic. At least the Sorcerer is not as much of a raging dumpster fire as it was in the playtest. But to see the Alchemist gutted as well, one of the best classes to come out of 1E...

10 minute workdays and terrible blasting? Are we sure we aren't talking about PF1 here?

If you think PF1 blasting is terrible, you're not doing it correctly. ^^

And PF1E at least had the 15 minute workday, PF2E is IMO shooting to shorten it even further. :p

Focus spells per-encounter, easy out of combat healing with Medicine - where does this 10 minute work day come from? I'm not seeing it.

All I can say is. LET THE PATHFINDING BEGIN ANEW!! FORWARD ADVENTURERS TO GOLD AND GLORY!!!

Focus spells per-encounter, easy out of combat healing with Medicine - where does this 10 minute work day come from? I'm not seeing it.

Overall less spells per day and if you don't have someone who bites the bullet and plays a Cleric, you are dependent on having long downtime in a secure location for the person with Medicine to patch up the group. On second look, Medicine might negate my gripe with the short adventuring day, but a GM can put much more pressure on the party that way. Which isn't necessarily a bad thing, but it seems another thing where Paizo wants to put more power back into the hands of the GM (which is another theme of I was skeptical of in the playtest and which seems to have survived into the released rules).

Powerful cantrips, focus powers that are quite strong and overall higher numbers on blasting spells doesn’t really lend any credence to blasting being weaker. Magic is, but that’s mostly in control/save or suck magic.

Ten minute day is also not really a thing again due to the above cantrips/powers and alternatives to magic for healing.

There are certainly some things to complain about with the new edition, but blasting and ten minute days are really not them.

Powerful cantrips, focus powers that are quite strong and overall higher numbers on blasting spells doesn’t really lend any credence to blasting being weaker. Magic is, but that’s mostly in control/save or suck magic.

Ten minute day is also not really a thing again due to the above cantrips/powers and alternatives to magic for healing.

There are certainly some things to complain about with the new edition, but blasting and ten minute days are really not them.

I might be wrong on some of the stuff due to changes in the released version (although since I went into exacting detail in the playtest about arcane magic and not much seems to have changed since then... I kinda doubt I'm that wrong), but the numbers are not higher on blasting spells. They are significantly lower overall, since you are forced to use higher spell slots to even have scaling spell effects. Metamagic on lower level blast spells was the way to get good blasting results in 1E and that simply isn't possible anymore the way it was.

Read the CRB over the weekend. I really appreciate the design philosophy of the game. My first pf2e session is on August 17th and I'm really looking forward to it.

Arakasius wrote:

Powerful cantrips, focus powers that are quite strong and overall higher numbers on blasting spells doesn’t really lend any credence to blasting being weaker. Magic is, but that’s mostly in control/save or suck magic.

Ten minute day is also not really a thing again due to the above cantrips/powers and alternatives to magic for healing.

There are certainly some things to complain about with the new edition, but blasting and ten minute days are really not them.

I might be wrong on some of the stuff due to changes in the released version (although since I went into exacting detail in the playtest about arcane magic and not much seems to have changed since then... I kinda doubt I'm that wrong), but the numbers are not higher on blasting spells. They are significantly lower overall, since you are forced to use higher spell slots to even have scaling spell effects. Metamagic on lower level blast spells was the way to get good blasting results in 1E and that simply isn't possible anymore the way it was.

Did you factor in that enemies can crit-fail saves against fireballs?

Cost-less metamagic due to overpowered and ill-considered traits was a great failing of PF1. If that is the idea behind the "blasting was nerfed" gripe, then I'm all for it.

Did you factor in that enemies can crit-fail saves against fireballs?

Regular high damage will always outpace occasional crits.

Cost-less metamagic due to overpowered and ill-considered traits was a great failing of PF1. If that is the idea behind the "blasting was nerfed" gripe, then I'm all for it.

Nope, just regular feats from the APG and Ultimate Magic/Combat.

I've been skimming the Archives of Nethys 2E rules, and so far I gotta say there's nowhere near enough customization yet to tempt me into a purchase. If I read correctly, the *only* archetype material available in the core rulebook are the multiclass feats, which—I hate to say this—strongly, strongly reminded me of 4E D&D's multiclass feat thing, which I hated. I keep hearing talk of this debut being packed with content, and if what's meant by this is that the fundamental rules are different then sure. But insofar as depth of variety and customization? It's a boilerplate set of classes and races. That's fine for new players, but until there's substantially more content (and something to judge the new archetype system by that isn't just the crappy multiclass structure) I'm nowhere near to making a purchase.

I was reeady to read my copy of the 2E CRB... then I found out I need to purchase the pdf separately or wait until my copy is delivered...

XD

I've been skimming the Archives of Nethys 2E rules, and so far I gotta say there's nowhere near enough customization yet to tempt me into a purchase. If I read correctly, the *only* archetype material available in the core rulebook are the multiclass feats, which—I hate to say this—strongly, strongly reminded me of 4E D&D's multiclass feat thing, which I hated. I keep hearing talk of this debut being packed with content, and if what's meant by this is that the fundamental rules are different then sure. But insofar as depth of variety and customization? It's a boilerplate set of classes and races. That's fine for new players, but until there's substantially more content (and something to judge the new archetype system by that isn't just the crappy multiclass structure) I'm nowhere near to making a purchase.

It's a CORE Rule Book. You can't expect the customization of PF1 at the end of the edition. Try to recall the PF1 CORE Rule Book, not a great deal of customization back then. Archetypes were not a thing for example and if you had played 3e D&D (not even 3,5) chance is the system differences would be too small for you to notice.

That said, keep in mind the more you make something "customizable" the more the game system risks to be broken and things suddenly start looking all very similar DESPITE the potential for customization.

Clerics have changed a lot... Two choices: cloistered or warpriest. I admit, I like wearing armor. I wonder how many low level unarmored cloistered clerics will get knocked off early? With cleric priority stats being Wis, Cha, and Con; Dex is the poor stepchild and it's also your only constant defense boost. The Shield cantrip will probably help once per encounter, but find a good sized fighter to hide behind...

Cleric healing is likely to be less available: 1+CHA bonus per day means the max is likely 3-4 heals until your CHA increases. Three action healing, aka Channeling, is not selective until you pick it up as a 6th level feat. So in-combat area healing is risky. My advice, talk more, fight less...

The domains are significantly different as well. Luck, Creation, Knowledge, Pain, and Zeal have solid low level domain spells.

Clerics now get access to 3 spells that complement their deities theme; usually 1st, 3rd and 4th level spells, except Nethys followers who get one spell at every level. Many are rather weak. However, let's hear it for Sarenrae! Holy #$%^. Her followers get Burning hands (1st level), Fireball (3rd level), and Wall of Fire (4th level) as optional spells!

Sure, I can kill followers of Rovagug...

Kelly Livesy wrote:

I've been skimming the Archives of Nethys 2E rules, and so far I gotta say there's nowhere near enough customization yet to tempt me into a purchase. If I read correctly, the *only* archetype material available in the core rulebook are the multiclass feats, which—I hate to say this—strongly, strongly reminded me of 4E D&D's multiclass feat thing, which I hated. I keep hearing talk of this debut being packed with content, and if what's meant by this is that the fundamental rules are different then sure. But insofar as depth of variety and customization? It's a boilerplate set of classes and races. That's fine for new players, but until there's substantially more content (and something to judge the new archetype system by that isn't just the crappy multiclass structure) I'm nowhere near to making a purchase.

It's a CORE Rule Book. You can't expect the customization of PF1 at the end of the edition. Try to recall the PF1 CORE Rule Book, not a great deal of customization back then. Archetypes were not a thing for example and if you had played 3e D&D (not even 3,5) chance is the system differences would be too small for you to notice.

That said, keep in mind the more you make something "customizable" the more the game system risks to be broken and things suddenly start looking all very similar DESPITE the potential for customization.

I understand that it's a core rulebook, and I understand that the game will expand customization as it goes on. But not only do I think it's reasonable to expect a comparatively more developed archetype system in the first book given that it's arguably the most distinguishing mechanical aspect of the first edition—one of the ideas behind this new edition is that it carries forward the learned successes of the previous edition—but customization is one of the launch selling points for 2E. Right here on the Paizo website is this line of copy for the launch:

"Endlessly Customizable: Pathfinder has the deep character customization you love, with three simple choices during character creation unlocking more than 75,000 unique characters. You’ll continue to make meaningful customization choices as you level up, creating your perfect character."

If they're going to sell themselves on customization right out of the gate, then I think it's fair to comment on this facet of the product. I'm not saying the game won't grow with time or that I'm writing it off forevermore, but so far I'm unmoved as a potentially purchasing customer.

@Kelly, what would you have had them trade out for it?

I've been skimming the Archives of Nethys 2E rules, and so far I gotta say there's nowhere near enough customization yet to tempt me into a purchase. If I read correctly, the *only* archetype material available in the core rulebook are the multiclass feats, which—I hate to say this—strongly, strongly reminded me of 4E D&D's multiclass feat thing, which I hated. I keep hearing talk of this debut being packed with content, and if what's meant by this is that the fundamental rules are different then sure. But insofar as depth of variety and customization? It's a boilerplate set of classes and races. That's fine for new players, but until there's substantially more content (and something to judge the new archetype system by that isn't just the crappy multiclass structure) I'm nowhere near to making a purchase.

Can you give an example of a character concept that you think ought to be possible with just a CRB, that isn't?

@Kelly, what would you have had them trade out for it?

I don't see that anything needs to be traded out for some things to have been included or expanded. But for starters, it seems strange to me that they should describe the existence of class archetype feats and then not include any.

Can you give an example of a character concept that you think ought to be possible with just a CRB, that isn't?

Right now the Summoner and Cavalier are difficult to replicate.

But, check out …

Rysky wrote:

@Kelly, what would you have had them trade out for it?

I don't see that anything needs to be traded out for some things to have been included or expanded. But for starters, it seems strange to me that they should describe the existence of class archetype feats and then not include any.

Um they kinda had to, the book is 600+ pages.

Rysky wrote:

@Kelly, what would you have had them trade out for it?

I don't see that anything needs to be traded out for some things to have been included or expanded.

Considering the size and cost of the book (the latter point of which drew plenty of shrieks of anguish in some circles), I'm not certain that adding more material into the CRB is actually all that sound an approach...

EDIT: Apparently succubi can be ninjas...

EDIT: Apparently succubi can be ninjas...

She is called a Kunoichi

Also their original release schedule would have had 10 archetypes from the world guide day 1 but they had issues with the printing schedule. Theres also a fair bit of content announced for this year already that will put in more customizability with more likely to be announced at Gen Con.

I'm loving everything I've seen so far. This is the game I've wanted to play for decades. I'm going to see if anything changes after I make a couple of characters tonight. There's a few characters that I've never been able to get exactly right in any edition of D&D but was able to get really close to with Pathfinder. For the first time in a long time I'm really looking forward to making characters and rolling some dice. Moreover, I'm actually excited to start writing and GMing for this system since it looks like a lot of the drudgery has been removed.

SM

Looks good so far. I've been fiddling around looking at monster skill numbers in the Bestiary so far, and will probably say more when I've read the actual books beyond that. :)

lordcirth wrote:

Did you factor in that enemies can crit-fail saves against fireballs?

Regular high damage will always outpace occasional crits.

The thing about this is that enemies crit fail more than occasionally in PF2 if minion sweeping.

An 11th level PF2 caster vs. stone giants (a level-3 foe) has a Save DC of 30 and will cause them to crit fail 30% of the time. When almost 1/3 of your foes crit fail on an area effect it is not 'occasional'.

Blasting is way better at minion sweeping than it looks to someone through the lens of PF1 largely due to this.

Speaking as a die-hard P1e advocate, who has fundamental problems with the design directions the Paizo team takes with the new edition....

Dang, 2e looks sleek. Everything fits so nicely within the framework, and the system has the most solid foundation I've ever seen. Everything is smooth, methodical, and is plain quality. And I can see that just by looking at the AoN listings.

Speaking as a die-hard P1e advocate, who has fundamental problems with the design directions the Paizo team takes with the new edition....

Dang, 2e looks sleek. Everything fits so nicely within the framework, and the system has the most solid foundation I've ever seen. Everything is smooth, methodical, and is plain quality. And I can see that just by looking at the AoN listings.

I'm there too. Right now, I am at AoN and looking at conversions for some of my PF1 APs and Setting material.

It is working surprisingly well.

I'm so glad I have a short day today so I can spend the evening curled up in bed with a nice cuppa tea and devour this thing whole. I've been glancing over bit and pieces while on break at work. I'll probably wait until tomorrow to make characters but at first glance Paizo have not exceeded my expectations so much as blown them out of the water.

SM

It's a new dawn
It's a new day
It's a new life
For me.

Huzzuh!! ahem....Hazzoh!!! *cough* Hezzah!!!
Damn, am late anyways! XD

It may be core, but I think folks are going to find that a lot of the archetypes from PF1 are actually a part of the possibilities for each of the core classes.

I also think it is going to be really interesting to see NEW options emerge from multiclass archetypes.

Kinda curious what concepts aren’t buildsbke here just with multiclassing archetypes. Heck we can do things that weren’t even doable in PF1 after ten years. You can make dozens of variations of martial/caster combos, something that was only available in a few prestige classes in 1e or with something like Magus. Similarly you can actually make effective caster/caster, even doing some things you could never really do before like cleric/druid and wizard/sorcerer. There is a ton of flexibility on all the choices available. Enough so that you can already make about half of the ACG classes right outside the box. There is a massive amount of customization available right now, and it’s only going to get better the more archetypes and feats they add.