The Saga Lands

Tuesday, July 23, 2019

Strap in, Pathfinders, because we're entering the home-stretch of our grand tour around the Age of Lost Omens, as presented in next month's Lost Omens World Guide hardcover sourcebook. We've spent a lot of time over the last few weeks on the continent of Garund, but now we're headed back to where it all began way back in 2007 with the Rise of the Runelords Adventure Path—the northern stretch of Avistan now known as the Saga Lands!

A glimpse of the Saga Lands. The city seems to be hewn of stone, with two fantastically gigantic statues guarding each side of this entrance. Each statue depicts a person holding a long, thin staff in one hand, the top of which has a kink in it. The other hand holds a large tablet close to the chest of the statue.  They are mirror images of each other.

Illustration by Roman Roland Kuteynikov

Throughout Pathfinder's history, no region has been as thoroughly explored in the pages of our adventures as the frontier land of Varisia. For millennia, the untamed land was defined by its ancient past, as Varisians, Shoanti, and explorers and colonists from distant lands all eked out a living in the shadow of cyclopean Thassilonian ruins. But in the past decade, the long-dormant runelords awakened and attempted to reclaim their former empire. Alaznist, Karzoug, Krune, Xanderghul, and Zutha have all been defeated, and the powerful heroes who foiled their plans now watch over the land, leading many to hope for a safer future for inhabitants of cities like Korvosa and Magnimar. As the latter grows in prominence to become the largest and most influential Varisian settlement, Korvosa continues to decline, even under the new leadership of Cressida Kroft, who took over in the wake of the tyrannical, plague-tainted rule of Queen Ileosa.

The Gray Maiden. A fully armoured warrior with a matching shield almost as tall as they are. The shield is pointed at each end, edged in gold, and has a rune in red across the front. The Gray Maiden also wears an armoured face mask, a plume of red hair flowing from the back. Her cape is almost the same color as her hair. She wields a long sword in her right hand.

Illustration by Andrea Tentori Montalto

But Magnimar is far from the only kingdom in resurgence. In the northern reaches of Varisia—the hilly plains of the Nolands and the impossibly high Kodar Mountains—the two surviving runelords have claimed a new kingdom of their own: New Thassilon! Under the conflicting rules of envious Runelord Belimarius and the less expansionist Runelord Sorshen, New Thassilon is already on the brink of civil war as the two powerful wizards vie for contril of the new kingdom. From her capital of Xin-Edasseril off Varisia's western coast, Belimarius already sets her sights on the elven forest of Celwynvian and the southern Lands of the Linnorm Kings, but these long-established lands are not so quick to roll over and bow before the upstart runelord. Sorshen has set her capital in Xin-Shalast, high in the Kodar Mountains, where no one has claimed the land since before Earthfall. With no feuds for territory (other than from Belimarius, who has no desire to share power), Sorshen has opened the isolated city up to outcasts and exiles from across the world, promising them a safe place to live their lives free from the oppression of their enemies.

A horizontal royal blue pennant flag with a 7 pointed gold star on it. Two matching gold ribbons hang freely from the top of the straight edge.

Illustration by Rogier van de Beek

To the north, the balance of power in the Lands of the Linnorm Kings has shifted, and three new linnorm crowns sit upon new brows. King Thira Ash-Eyes earned her right to rule Kalsgard after her father, King Svienn Blood-Eagle departed for Valenhall across the sea, leaving the throne vacant for her should she slay a linnorm (she did). In Icemark, the Varki ranger Nankou surprised many by being the first non-Ulfen to earn the title. In the southern city of Jol, the famed adventurer Ostog the Unslain puts his moniker to the test as the Linnorm King closest to Runelord Belimarius's lands. What great sagas of these new Linnorm Kings and the mighty heroes who vie for future vacant thrones will be told in the near future? Perhaps some wise skald will regale us with tales of heroism in another decade's time.

Thira Ash-Eyes. A stout woman wielding a round wooden shield and a plain longsword. Her dark red hair is pulled back in neat dreadlock rows. She has a jagged tattoo across her right eye and wears a fox-head medallion. Both shoulders are clothed in heavy brown furs and she wears thick brown boots strapped with brown leather and round buckless

Illustration by Yasen Stoilov

Relations between the Ulfen of the Lands of the Linnorm Kings and the Jadwiga of its eastern neighbor, Irissen, have cooled in recent years (pun intended), thanks to the rise of Queen Anastasia, who hails from a distant world where magic is less prevalent. While not a daughter of Baba Yaga like the ice queens who preceded her, the legendary witch's blood nevertheless flows through her veins. A much more benevolent ruler than past queens, Anastasia gives the people of Irrisen and its neighbors hope for a better future. Nevertheless, the constant winter of the enchanted land continues, and rumors of Baba Yaga's presence in the land out of season persist. Could the mother of witches have plans to reassert control over the land by placing a new daughter on the throne in Anastasia's place?

Queen Anastasia. Headshot of a woman with long, dark brown hair and grey eyes. She looks off to the left. She wears a fur stole wrapped around her neck and a pointed silver crown on her head.

Illustration by Oksana Federova

Like the Lands of the Linnorm Kings, the Realm of the Mammoth Lords to Irrisen's east seems on the precipice of peace for the first time in over a century, as the threats of winter witches to the west, the demons of the Worldwound to the east, and the orcs of Belkzen to the south have all subsided. This has allowed the nomadic Kellids of the harsh taiga to travel farther into all three neighboring lands in their seasonal hunts of the region's megafauna than ever before. Despite the lack of open antagonists on their borders, potential conflicts with repatriating Sarkorians, xenophobic Irrisens, and those orcs not focused on the Whispering Tyrant's forces on their southern border could all prove problematic for the migratory Mammoth Lord holdings. After all, honor is everything and tempers can flare, and it just takes one spark to start a fire that could set the entire plain ablaze.

You can barely see the rider atop this huge wooly mammoth. Its shaggy fur is dark brown and has been covered in red war paint across the face, legs, and front. The long, curving tusks have runes carved upon them. The rider atop wields a very long, thin pole arm.

Illustration by Biagio d'Alessandro

Players from this region may select from seven new backgrounds like Shoanti name-bearer, Thassilonian traveler, and winter's child, or take the runescarred archetype, while arcane and primal spellcasters can learn the wintery snowball spell!

A dark-haired woman in layered blue and gold skirts, knee-high cuffed pirate boots, an off the shoulder short-sleeved blouse, and a necklace stands with both hands extended, prepared for battle. Fire is gathering in each of her palms.

Illustration by Christian Schob

Check this space on Thursday for a new piece of flash fiction by Liane Merciel to inspire new stories of adventure in players and Game Masters alike, and then next Tuesday for the final meta-region of the Age of Lost Omens campaign setting: the Shining Kingdoms. Until then, Pathfinders, may your exploits be marked in the sagas of the gods!

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This is again more assumptions on your part, she can loosen the reins by decreeing as such. That's how Irrisen works, that's how it always worked. You do exactly what the Queen says.


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Rysky wrote:

Also thankies for the info Mikhail ^w^

And especially for the Dustwalkers and Mortics, I likes those I do yes yes.

You are most welcome! You have not heard the last of me, but alas, the big stuff I've worked on is still under NDA at the moment. Weep for the plight of the freelancer, Rysky.

zimmerwald1915 wrote:
First of all, thanks to @Mikhail Rekun for the extremely useful post.

You are very welcome!

zimmerwald1915 wrote:
I agree with this, with the caveat that Anastasia might think to use magic to intervene covertly abroad and spare her armies. But I don't see a way clear to her loosening the reins in a longstanding repressive society, when she's only ever seen that lead to ruin for her family and for herself personally (she might also get some schadenfreude from scrying on the Russian Civil War from time to time).

I think at this point we are so far out of the usual situation that any historical comparisons are of limited use at best, and narrative considerations become more important (in this case, I'm guessing that the narrative purpose is to make people who finished the Reign of Winter AP feel like they accomplished a positive act).

Anyway, I will bow out of the discussion at this point, but feel free to ping me if anyone wants more Random Russian History Fun Time Posts.

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Mikhail Rekun wrote:
Rysky wrote:

Also thankies for the info Mikhail ^w^

And especially for the Dustwalkers and Mortics, I likes those I do yes yes.

You are most welcome! You have not heard the last of me, but alas, the big stuff I've worked on is still under NDA at the moment. Weep for the plight of the freelancer, Rysky.

Yay!

*offers hugs*

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Mikhail Rekun wrote:
Weep for the plight of the freelancer, Rysky.

Every day.

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Rysky wrote:
she can loosen the reins by decreeing as such.

That was never in dispute. I just don't buy that she would think it was a good idea, or that she would actually go through with it. I think she would view doing so as disasterous for her country and dangerous to herself personally.

Irrisen is not free of subversives after all. Its people are not uniformly trustworthy and loyal.

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Which is purely and wholly assumptions on your part and nothing more.

And they are to a point, when a previous queen slashed taxes there wasn't any revolts from the higher classes to stop her, they went along with what the Queen decreed because that's how Irrisen works (she also had the pinkies of every child cut off when the populace started to proclaim her "The Kind" for it, but that just goes with the point that Irrisen is the Queen) .


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zimmerwald1915 wrote:


for four hundred years [that house] was among the most barbaric and despotic on Earth

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The argument that the Romanovs were uniformly repressive

Was never made.

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the idea that the Romanovs were uniquely brutal

Was also never floated. I used the word "among," and in any event, bringing up their contemporaries is simply whataboutism.

The way you argue here is among the most odd ways to argue I have ever encountered

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Rysky wrote:
And they are to a point, when a previous queen slashed taxes there wasn't any revolts from the higher classes to stop her

Why would there be? The Jadwiga never shouldered the tax burden in the first place. If anything, the lower classes would ask for a cookie with their glass of milk - putting a stop to this is exactly what she did when she started dismembering people for approving of her measures.

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If people are looking to keep discussing theoretical Irriseni politics, I recommend starting a new thread for it. For now, let's focus on other things expressed in the blog.

How does everyone feel about three(!) new Linnorm Kings? Also, isn't that gray maiden art just the coolest?


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I'm just assuming that most of Anastasia's supposed benevolence just comes from her recoiling in horror whenever one of her Jadwiga advisors suggests something fairly ordinary for Irissen. We can justify the hope of the peasant classes as stemming from "most of the everyday horrors of our existence have abated and that is not bad."

I mean, she has been on the job for 6 years now, and hasn't done anything worthy of comment, but perhaps she's growing into the job. Still "most beloved ruler of Irissen" is a shockingly low bar to clear and might represent something she wants.


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Fumarole wrote:
People would do well to remember that Earth Anastasia is not equal to Pathfinder Anastasia and to leave their Earthly politics at the door.

And THIS is another reason why including real world people as characters is a terrible idea. Everyone is going to have their own opinions about the person in question that might clash with how they're portrayed in setting material and adventures. Already there's a big argument about whether she'd really be that benevolent and the actual book hasn't even released yet...


Luis Loza wrote:

If people are looking to keep discussing theoretical Irriseni politics, I recommend starting a new thread for it. For now, let's focus on other things expressed in the blog.

How does everyone feel about three(!) new Linnorm Kings? Also, isn't that gray maiden art just the coolest?

That does remind me... What's a Varki when it's at home? Or on a throne, as the case may be?

@Darth- I see the same thing with a lot of fiction characters on a regular basis. People get attached to their biases. I'm surprised we haven't seen it about Sorshen, to be honest.

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Voss wrote:
Luis Loza wrote:

If people are looking to keep discussing theoretical Irriseni politics, I recommend starting a new thread for it. For now, let's focus on other things expressed in the blog.

How does everyone feel about three(!) new Linnorm Kings? Also, isn't that gray maiden art just the coolest?

That does remind me... What's a Varki when it's at home? Or on a throne, as the case may be?

@Darth- I see the same thing with a lot of fiction characters on a regular basis. People get attached to their biases. I'm surprised we haven't seen it about Sorshen, to be honest.

I did a bit of poking, and the Varki are an ethnic group of humans who originated in the extreme north. I found the mention on the pathfinder wiki.

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Luis Loza wrote:
How does everyone feel about three(!) new Linnorm Kings? Also, isn't that gray maiden art just the coolest?

Interesting, especially if we get more Linnorm stuff.

Also the art is cool, is it an Illeosa era Gray Maiden, or an Eryinyes or Rose Company one (not seeing anything to really guess at identification)? Or independent?


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The Varki are a nomadic culture with a mixture of Ulfen, Erutaki and Tian blood lines.

I believed their real life Analogue is the Sami people?

They rarely stay in one place for a very long time, and travel from Icemark to other locations across the North of the Land of the Linnorm Kings. They technically don’t have an permanent cities though the different followings circuit through living in these small villages in different locals. A Linnorm King in Icemark...well I really wonder what they’re going to be like.

If you were making a joke and I missed it, well apologies.

Also I disagree Darth, sometimes real life characters getting involved can make the plot more interesting. Like when i name dropped Nicolas Flamel in my Home campaign and half the party freaked out.

I still don’t get what Anastasia would gain from picking fights with distant nations when she’s surrounded on all sides by Ulfen who’s hated her nation for generations, expansionist megafauna taming Kellids and the Giants and Shoanti of the Storval Plateau


Rysky wrote:
Luis Loza wrote:
How does everyone feel about three(!) new Linnorm Kings? Also, isn't that gray maiden art just the coolest?

Interesting, especially if we get more Linnorm stuff.

Also the art is cool, is it an Illeosa era Gray Maiden, or an Eryinyes or Rose Company one (not seeing anything to really guess at identification)? Or independent?

The symbol on her shield looks vaguely demonic. So not Order of the Rose or the Erinyes is guess.

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Rysky wrote:
Luis Loza wrote:
How does everyone feel about three(!) new Linnorm Kings? Also, isn't that gray maiden art just the coolest?

Interesting, especially if we get more Linnorm stuff.

Also the art is cool, is it an Illeosa era Gray Maiden, or an Eryinyes or Rose Company one (not seeing anything to really guess at identification)? Or independent?

The symbol on her shield looks vaguely demonic. So not Order of the Rose or the Erinyes is guess.

Hmm, too simplistic to be demonic.

Just read through the Adventurer's Guide section, doesn't sync with Rose or Erinyes Company either.


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Luis Loza wrote:

If people are looking to keep discussing theoretical Irriseni politics, I recommend starting a new thread for it. For now, let's focus on other things expressed in the blog.

How does everyone feel about three(!) new Linnorm Kings? Also, isn't that gray maiden art just the coolest?

I like the way you advanced the timeline -- I would imagine that the Linnorm Kingdoms should have a high rate of turnover in terms of their rulers.

But I also think you might have missed an interesting adventuring opportunity. How is a Linnorm Kingdom governed when it doesn't have a Linnorm King? Would there be a temporary ruler who (lacking the power to defeat a linnorm in combat) knows that his position is in fact only temporary?

It might make an interesting adventure to have PCs who are seeking a position of power show up in a Linnorm Kingdom whose former ruler recently died.

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Luis Loza wrote:

If people are looking to keep discussing theoretical Irriseni politics, I recommend starting a new thread for it. For now, let's focus on other things expressed in the blog.

How does everyone feel about three(!) new Linnorm Kings? Also, isn't that gray maiden art just the coolest?

How does Linnorm King's succession work? Like does the heir also need to slay a linnorm?

I don't know if new varki Linnorm King is established character or not so not sure what to think, but I'm really surprised Ostog is now semi important part of the setting :D

Gray Maiden pic is cool, but bit confuses me since isn't that one of the Maidens of the Lady’s Light order's gray maidens since the lust rune on shield? I'd have thought that if canonically they were saved and they moved to Magnimar that they would have gotten rid of lust rune on shield at least

Also I'm weirded out I'm only one here who recognized the rune of lust and the correct order ._. Does that mean I have achieved PF lore geek status?

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No sense in getting rid of a shield if it's still good! Also, congrats on your new level of Pathfinder loremaster!

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Yeah, but they got kinda heavily screwed by the person who made them put it there :'D I'd think Oriana would at least prefer them to carve it out or paint it over. And thank you!

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Luis Loza wrote:
No sense in getting rid of a shield if it's still good! Also, congrats on your new level of Pathfinder loremaster!

Ha!

And I have a Sihedron tattoo with all 7 runes. No wonder it felt familiar :3

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I wonder how New Thassilon will be doing to protect it self from the Whispering Tyrant, since it looks like it would be one of the few regional powers to stand up to the lich

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ulgulanoth wrote:
I wonder how New Thassilon will be doing to protect it self from the Whispering Tyrant, since it looks like it would be one of the few regional powers to stand up to the lich

Sorshen has ten Mythic tiers as opposed to Tar-Baphon's crappy template, and her capital shields the rest of the country from the likeliest invasion route. New Thassilon will be fine.

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zimmerwald1915 wrote:
ulgulanoth wrote:
I wonder how New Thassilon will be doing to protect it self from the Whispering Tyrant, since it looks like it would be one of the few regional powers to stand up to the lich
Sorshen has ten Mythic tiers as opposed to Tar-Baphon's crappy template, and her capital shields the rest of the country from the likeliest invasion route. New Thassilon will be fine.

I mean, flavor wise Mythic Ranks are supposed to be equal power to Mythic Tiers, so technically they are supposed to be of equal power.

(note that Tar-Babhon's stats have weird thing with him using heroic array and having level/cr appropriate wealth instead of pc gear and point buy)

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VerBeeker wrote:
I still don’t get what Anastasia would gain from picking fights with distant nations when she’s surrounded on all sides by Ulfen who’s hated her nation for generations, expansionist megafauna taming Kellids and the Giants and Shoanti of the Storval Plateau

Vengeance and vindication by proxy. And even if this does put her country at risk, why should she care? It is not, after all, really her country. Russia is her country, and Irrisen is Baba Yaga's.

I for one will be quite disappointed in Paizo if there isn't some adventure revolving around preventing her from gaining the ability to teleport offworld.

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Sorshen > Tar-baphon.

That'll help a lot in defending her new nation.

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James Jacobs wrote:

Sorshen > Tar-baphon.

That'll help a lot in defending her new nation.

I stand corrected :D

(also, I kinda forgot Sorshen was CR 27 and Tar-Babhon was CR 26)

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zimmerwald1915 wrote:
VerBeeker wrote:
I still don’t get what Anastasia would gain from picking fights with distant nations when she’s surrounded on all sides by Ulfen who’s hated her nation for generations, expansionist megafauna taming Kellids and the Giants and Shoanti of the Storval Plateau

Vengeance and vindication by proxy. And even if this does put her country at risk, why should she care? It is not, after all, really her country. Russia is her country, and Irrisen is Baba Yaga's.

I for one will be quite disappointed in Paizo if there isn't some adventure revolving around preventing her from gaining the ability to teleport offworld.

Umm, why are you assuming a scenario where she was crowned against her will?


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Wasn’t it like a canonical choice? In the Continuing the Campaign section?

Also......Zimmer you are describing a *terrible* leader. Like no joke. Also petty “vengeance” against nations she has likely *never interacted with* is just utterly stupid.

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Luis Loza wrote:
Also, isn't that gray maiden art just the coolest?

Sure is! Apropos of nothing, this seems like an appropriate time to bring up that, c'mon, we all know the Gray Maidens are the victims of a vicious smear campaign, and they would really benefit from a visible show of support these days. Like, say, oh I don't know, bringing back that awesome Gray Maidens shirt from way back when :D


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On the one hand, yay Cressida! On the other hand I hope Ileosa isn't QUITE down and out, given some of the Continuing the Campaign options in the anniversary edition.

Also, as someone who's great-grandparents fled Russia because of the Romanov's pogroms, I really don't mind that Anastasia's portrayed this way. Don't judge people by their forebears and all that, the real person was a child who never committed any atrocities.

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zimmerwald1915 wrote:
VerBeeker wrote:
I still don’t get what Anastasia would gain from picking fights with distant nations when she’s surrounded on all sides by Ulfen who’s hated her nation for generations, expansionist megafauna taming Kellids and the Giants and Shoanti of the Storval Plateau

Vengeance and vindication by proxy. And even if this does put her country at risk, why should she care? It is not, after all, really her country. Russia is her country, and Irrisen is Baba Yaga's.

I for one will be quite disappointed in Paizo if there isn't some adventure revolving around preventing her from gaining the ability to teleport offworld.

This is just malicious assumptions that have no actual basis to back them up.

Also Luis asked this to be taken to a new thread.


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James Jacobs wrote:

Sorshen > Tar-baphon.

That'll help a lot in defending her new nation.

I stand corrected :D

(also, I kinda forgot Sorshen was CR 27 and Tar-Babhon was CR 26)

I like that there's an active, non-evil ruler who isn't vastly outmatched by the arch villains of the setting.

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VerBeeker wrote:
Wasn’t it like a canonical choice? In the Continuing the Campaign section?

A player choice, yes.

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Also......Zimmer you are describing a *terrible* leader. Like no joke. Also petty “vengeance” against nations she has likely *never interacted with* is just utterly stupid.

You have said nothing here that I disagree with.


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Troodos wrote:
I like that there's an active, non-evil ruler who isn't vastly outmatched by the arch villains of the setting.

WHILE having enough on her plate to explain why she doesn't address her troubled borders more... aggressively.


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I..don’t get you...or the point of starting the conversation in the first place if that is the case.

Any way I like that Cressida is Queen though I wonder why the city is still back sliding?

New Thassilon is the country I’d like to know the most about, other than the Realm of the Mammoth Lords, which I really hope we get some really interesting new info on. I always wanted a Campaign Setting guide for it but it never happened, and since they’re focusing on bigger books I’m wondering if we’ll get any knowledge of that kind.


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VerBeeker wrote:

Any way I like that Cressida is Queen though I wonder why the city is still back sliding?

Presumably because of a combination of factors. Though Ileosa is gone, the Sable Company was disbanded, and the Hellknights left the city. Though both could return in time it would not be easy, so the (depleted) Korvosan Guard and Grey Maidens are the only military and police force they have, which given that people don't look fondly on the Maidens is a problem. In addition, Ileosa's vanity projects drained the treasury and did a lot of damage to the city's infrastructure. Finally, I'm pretty sure Lorthact is still around and given his contract with Ileosa he's probably quite pissed about her downfall and might be sabotaging things through the Acadamae students whose souls he's stolen. All of those things mean that even a competent, fair-minded ruler like Kroft is gonna have a hard time.


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Troodos wrote:
VerBeeker wrote:

Any way I like that Cressida is Queen though I wonder why the city is still back sliding?

Presumably because of a combination of factors. Though Ileosa is gone, the Sable Company was disbanded, and the Hellknights left the city. Though both could return in time it would not be easy, so the (depleted) Korvosan Guard and Grey Maidens are the only military and police force they have, which given that people don't look fondly on the Maidens is a problem. In addition, Ileosa's vanity projects drained the treasury and did a lot of damage to the city's infrastructure. Finally, I'm pretty sure Lorthact is still around and given his contract with Ileosa he's probably quite pissed about her downfall and might be sabotaging things through the Acadamae students whose souls he's stolen. All of those things mean that even a competent, fair-minded ruler like Kroft is gonna have a hard time.

Also... the plague took out a decent chunk of the population, and it wasn't the nicest place BEFORE Ileosa dragged it into the sewer.

Our heroes spend the AP merely trying to stave off Ileosa's crimes, and spend the bulk of the second HALF run out of town, leaving Ileosa free to more or less do as she pleases.

First time I played through it, we made our Pharasmin cleric the new King, because he was the only one we saw as being patient enough to deal with the absolute nightmare of rebuilding from what had been done to the city.


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VerBeeker wrote:
I..don’t get you...or the point of starting the conversation in the first place if that is the case.

As I learned in the Old Cheliax thread, so shall I pass on to you:

There are certain topics that it is just not worth engaging on.

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Love the artwork, and excited to see the oldest region of Golarion move into the future. :)

Irrisen is going to be particularly interesting in my Golarion, since the Queen is a magical fusion of Anastasia and one of our Reign of Winter PCs (long story) and also a 17th level gestalt sorcerer/witch with two mythic tiers...

But then, New Thassilon is also going to be interesting, since in my setting it's ruled by First King Xin (even longer story). XD

Will be a lot of fun to figure out how I'm going to work various plot points in. Also Land of the Linnorm Kings AP when? More excited about that place the more I learn. :)

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The shift of political power from Korvosa to Magnimar is something that's been going on the entire time—this isn't anything new. The events of Curse of the Crimson Throne hit hard as well. But also, if we do anything going forward with Korvosa, the idea of a "City in decline" sets things up for all sorts of cool and exciting adventure ideas.


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I have never heard of Ostog before, yet it seems that some people have already known his existence.

...........

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Aenigma wrote:

I have always thought that Sorshen is the queen of New Thassilon. But this post implied that Belimarius and Sorshen are co-rulers of New Thassilon. Seems like they somehow agreed to unify their two countries into one. What a wonderful friendship!

Is the woman with red hair King Thira? I thought Ulfen have blond or gray hair. Maybe Sveinn married a Taldan woman? Also she doesn't seem like old enough to be Sveinn's daughter. Shouldn't she be his granddaughter?

Is the mammoth rider a human or an orc? He seems like an orc to me because his skin looks green.

I have never heard of Ostog before, yet it seems that some people have already known his existence. Was he mentioned in First Edition?

Ostog was Erik Mona's character in James Jacobs' campaign. He was first made canon in the NPC Guide.


Cressida is Queen of Korvasa in my homebrew world as well, though things are on an upswing though it has been five years since Ileosa died, though some districts of the city are largely empty, there are a bunch of homeless Tiefling children running around, and since the city guard was devastated the city has largely been under guard of the Black Whales, a mercenary group of privateers who turned their coats after the second in command realized how much of a monster Ileosa was and parted the old commander from his head.

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The shift of political power from Korvosa to Magnimar is something that's been going on the entire time—this isn't anything new.

One wonders who's going to become Korvosa's colonial master/suzerain over the next few decades. None of its immediate neighbors seem strong enough at the moment, or even on a trajectory to that kind of strength.


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CorvusMask wrote:
James Jacobs wrote:

Sorshen > Tar-baphon.

That'll help a lot in defending her new nation.

I stand corrected :D

(also, I kinda forgot Sorshen was CR 27 and Tar-Babhon was CR 26)

How many mythic ranks does Sorshen have? As I recall, Tar-Baphon has 10.

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David knott 242 wrote:
CorvusMask wrote:
James Jacobs wrote:

Sorshen > Tar-baphon.

That'll help a lot in defending her new nation.

I stand corrected :D

(also, I kinda forgot Sorshen was CR 27 and Tar-Babhon was CR 26)

How many mythic ranks does Sorshen have? As I recall, Tar-Baphon has 10.

None. Sorshen has 10 tiers in the Trickster path. Tar-Baphon has 10 ranks provided by the Mythic Lich template.

Sorshen's tiers are better.


Okay, but that's all 1e stuff anyway. We have no idea what their stats would look like in 2e. Doesn't help that Sorshen's speciality (enchantment) is generally a poor matchup against undead.

I also have to wonder why she's sort of allowing Belimarius to run wild. Unless B learned some new tricks, Sorshen could pretty easily keep B in line if she wanted

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zimmerwald1915 wrote:
James Jacobs wrote:
The shift of political power from Korvosa to Magnimar is something that's been going on the entire time—this isn't anything new.
One wonders who's going to become Korvosa's colonial master/suzerain over the next few decades. None of its immediate neighbors seem strong enough at the moment, or even on a trajectory to that kind of strength.

No one. Korvosa is and remains a free city. Colonialism is something I'd rather move away from at this point in the setting as well.

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Mechalibur wrote:

Okay, but that's all 1e stuff anyway. We have no idea what their stats would look like in 2e. Doesn't help that Sorshen's speciality (enchantment) is generally a poor matchup against undead.

I also have to wonder why she's sort of allowing Belimarius to run wild. Unless B learned some new tricks, Sorshen could pretty easily keep B in line if she wanted

While stats might change, power levels do not. Sorshen, if/when we stat her up in 2nd edition, will continue to be more powerful than Tar-Baphon.

And she's letting Belimarius "run wild" for several reasons, but two of the more significant are:

1) Sorshen is trying VERY hard not to fall into the trap of evil Runelord who solves problems by warfare and violence, since she's seen that lead to the downfall of pretty much ever other runelord over the eons. She's pretty convinced that Belimarius is going to do the job of taking out Belimarius herself. She's probably right.

2) New Thassilon is, as its name points out, still "new" and as such I'd rather have its stories unfold on-screen in adventures and the like rather than skip over it and just present it as a non-interactive fiction piece. In particular, I've several stories/adventures I'd like to get done on this specific topic some day, and don't want to write Belimarius out of the plot before she can show up as part of a plot you and your players can interact with.

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