paizo.com Recent Comments on The Golden Roadpaizo.com Recent Comments on The Golden Road2021-02-09T19:30:43Z2021-02-09T19:30:43ZRe: Forums/Pathfinder Second Edition: General Discussion: Paizo Blog: The Golden RoadLycarhttps://paizo.com/community/blog/v5748dyo6sgqm&page=2?The-Golden-Road#722023-05-23T22:10:44Z2023-05-23T21:05:52Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">Mark Moreland wrote:</div><blockquote> <div class="messageboard-quotee">David knott 242 wrote:</div><blockquote><p> Isn't Qadira the western tip rather than the eastern tip of the Empire of Kelesh?
</p>
</blockquote>May the flames of the Dawnflower burn out your error-illuminating eyes!</blockquote><p>Heh, still says "Qadira represents just the <i>eastern</i> tip of the continent-spanning Padishah Empire of Kelesh" to this very day. •Casts Resist Energy (Fire) from scroll•Mark Moreland wrote:David knott 242 wrote:Isn't Qadira the western tip rather than the eastern tip of the Empire of Kelesh?
May the flames of the Dawnflower burn out your error-illuminating eyes!Heh, still says "Qadira represents just the eastern tip of the continent-spanning Padishah Empire of Kelesh" to this very day. *Casts Resist Energy (Fire) from scroll*Lycar2023-05-23T21:05:52ZRe: Forums/Pathfinder Second Edition: General Discussion: Paizo Blog: The Golden RoadVerBeeker (alias of Lucas VerBeek)https://paizo.com/community/blog/v5748dyo6sgqm&page=2?The-Golden-Road#712019-06-21T19:55:36Z2019-06-21T19:55:36Z<p>How does it sound like their ready to open the doors to Pharasmins? Psychopomps are still Immortals, so is Pharasma, in fact, she's the First Immortal. </p>
<p>The Laws of Man too me sound like their restricted to Humanity alone, Tolkein influence most likely in the back of my brain.</p>How does it sound like their ready to open the doors to Pharasmins? Psychopomps are still Immortals, so is Pharasma, in fact, she's the First Immortal.
The Laws of Man too me sound like their restricted to Humanity alone, Tolkein influence most likely in the back of my brain.VerBeeker (alias of Lucas VerBeek)2019-06-21T19:55:36ZRe: Forums/Pathfinder Second Edition: General Discussion: Paizo Blog: The Golden RoadQuandaryhttps://paizo.com/community/blog/v5748dyo6sgqm&page=2?The-Golden-Road#702019-06-21T01:23:36Z2019-06-20T23:36:59Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">zimmerwald1915 wrote:</div><blockquote> FYI, they're the Laws of Mortality now. </blockquote><p>Yeah, bad move IMHO, now it sounds like they are ready to open the doors to Pharasmites or something. Think I'll keep using original.zimmerwald1915 wrote:FYI, they're the Laws of Mortality now.
Yeah, bad move IMHO, now it sounds like they are ready to open the doors to Pharasmites or something. Think I'll keep using original.Quandary2019-06-20T23:36:59ZRe: Forums/Pathfinder Second Edition: General Discussion: Paizo Blog: The Golden Roadzimmerwald1915https://paizo.com/community/blog/v5748dyo6sgqm&page=2?The-Golden-Road#692019-06-20T22:12:31Z2019-06-20T22:12:31Z<p>FYI, they're the Laws of Mortality now.</p>FYI, they're the Laws of Mortality now.zimmerwald19152019-06-20T22:12:31ZRe: Forums/Pathfinder Second Edition: General Discussion: Paizo Blog: The Golden RoadQuandaryhttps://paizo.com/community/blog/v5748dyo6sgqm&page=2?The-Golden-Road#682019-06-21T07:53:50Z2019-06-20T21:56:16Z<p>^ I wouldn't really go that far. I don't really think crying "intolerance" is most useful of perspectives, because Clerics in Golarion are actual servants of trans-planar organization, allegiance to whose agenda is crux of their powers. Banning them isn't really different than banning agent of foreign governments, with Rahadoum seeking to maintain neutrality like Switzerland. That is just the political context of the society, and taking that context on board doesn't seem any different than Skull & Shackles explicitly advisting against Paladin PCs.</p>
<p>Although I do think some sort of official "pass" from higher up COULD sufficiently justify intra-party toleration of Cleric PC, presumably who isn't actively proselytizing. I mean, if Paladins can cooperate with outright servants of evil for a cause, it beggars belief to think that Rahadoum government couldn't. Maybe a plot starting just outside of Rahadoum proper but involving their agents, with reason for PCs to then enter Rahadoum proper, would be convenient segue to rationalize such a scenario. And I think Laws of Man and Pure Legion have alot more grey area than sometimes thought, IMHO the persecution of iconic Oracle Alazhra is not necessarily the strict law of land, but simply over-zealousness by populace not familiar with nuances, and more enlightened sectors of government don't actually have problem with Oracles, even if that subtly isn't universally understood.</p>^ I wouldn't really go that far. I don't really think crying "intolerance" is most useful of perspectives, because Clerics in Golarion are actual servants of trans-planar organization, allegiance to whose agenda is crux of their powers. Banning them isn't really different than banning agent of foreign governments, with Rahadoum seeking to maintain neutrality like Switzerland. That is just the political context of the society, and taking that context on board doesn't seem any different than...Quandary2019-06-20T21:56:16ZRe: Forums/Pathfinder Second Edition: General Discussion: Paizo Blog: The Golden RoadMaxAstrohttps://paizo.com/community/blog/v5748dyo6sgqm&page=2?The-Golden-Road#672019-06-26T14:35:10Z2019-06-20T16:45:35Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">Arachnofiend wrote:</div><blockquote> <div class="messageboard-quotee">MaxAstro wrote:</div><blockquote> <div class="messageboard-quotee">Arachnofiend wrote:</div><blockquote> Rahadoum kinda has the same issue as the Mana Wastes in being a very idea rich setting that would be hard to swing as an official AP because of class limitations. I wouldn't be satisfied with a Rahadoum AP where you're allowed to play a Cleric. </blockquote>This seems like a strange stance to me - wouldn't the intrigue of having to hide your worship be part of the appeal of a Rahadoum AP?</blockquote>A Rahadoum AP in which a party member can be a cleric is a Rahadoum AP in which no player character can be a loyal Rahadoumi citizen. I'd be far more interested in a story in which the focus characters perceive the Laws of Man as right and just. </blockquote><p>This assumes that intolerance of other's viewpoints is a necessary tenet of loyal Rahadoumi citizenship.
<p>If true, that is inherently problematic and Paizo is rightly likely to present Rahadoum's restrictions as a challenge to overcome rather than anything else. If not true, there's no issue with loyal Rahadoumi citizens partying with divine worshippers in service of an important enough cause - which an AP is likely to be.</p>
<p>I certainly hope Paizo never releases an AP where "your character must be at least this intolerant to participate" is a thing - even Hell's Vengeance didn't cross that line!</p>Arachnofiend wrote:MaxAstro wrote: Arachnofiend wrote: Rahadoum kinda has the same issue as the Mana Wastes in being a very idea rich setting that would be hard to swing as an official AP because of class limitations. I wouldn't be satisfied with a Rahadoum AP where you're allowed to play a Cleric.
This seems like a strange stance to me - wouldn't the intrigue of having to hide your worship be part of the appeal of a Rahadoum AP?A Rahadoum AP in which a party member can be a cleric is a...MaxAstro2019-06-20T16:45:35ZRe: Forums/Pathfinder Second Edition: General Discussion: Paizo Blog: The Golden Roadfritterfaehttps://paizo.com/community/blog/v5748dyo6sgqm&page=2?The-Golden-Road#662019-06-20T03:46:52Z2019-06-20T03:46:52Z<p>I would love to see more from Rahadoum! My primary PFS character is a Pure Legion Enforcer and I would love to build another one in PF2.</p>I would love to see more from Rahadoum! My primary PFS character is a Pure Legion Enforcer and I would love to build another one in PF2.fritterfae2019-06-20T03:46:52ZRe: Forums/Pathfinder Second Edition: General Discussion: Paizo Blog: The Golden Roadtqominshttps://paizo.com/community/blog/v5748dyo6sgqm&page=2?The-Golden-Road#652019-06-20T00:56:09Z2019-06-20T00:56:09Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">Dansome wrote:</div><blockquote> <div class="messageboard-quotee">tqomins wrote:</div><blockquote>6) Impossible Lands: <b>Student of Perfection</b></blockquote>Did I miss a blog post about the Impossible Lands? </blockquote><p>No. The Student of Perfection choice was revealed in a mini-contest on the Know Direction Discord server. (The other non-blog-source: we know the Hellknight Armiger choice from a PaizoCon panel.)
<div class="messageboard-quotee">Quandary wrote:</div><blockquote>Note how not all of the archetypes are specified, only listing regions under assumption all regions will have archetype presented.</blockquote><p><a href="https://paizo.com/community/blog/v5748dyo6sgqm?The-Golden-Road#17" target="_blank" rel="nofollow"><b>See upthread, e.g.,</b></a>
<div class="messageboard-quotee">Luis Loza wrote:</div><blockquote> Can confirm. <b>One archetype per region.</b> </blockquote><p>Dansome wrote:tqomins wrote:6) Impossible Lands: Student of Perfection
Did I miss a blog post about the Impossible Lands? No. The Student of Perfection choice was revealed in a mini-contest on the Know Direction Discord server. (The other non-blog-source: we know the Hellknight Armiger choice from a PaizoCon panel.) Quandary wrote:Note how not all of the archetypes are specified, only listing regions under assumption all regions will have archetype presented.
See upthread, e.g., Luis Loza...tqomins2019-06-20T00:56:09ZRe: Forums/Pathfinder Second Edition: General Discussion: Paizo Blog: The Golden RoadMark Moreland (Director of Brand Strategy)https://paizo.com/community/blog/v5748dyo6sgqm&page=2?The-Golden-Road#642019-07-14T04:58:44Z2019-06-20T00:01:25Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">Elorebaen wrote:</div><blockquote> <div class="messageboard-quotee">tqomins wrote:</div><blockquote> <div class="messageboard-quotee">PossibleCabbage wrote:</div><blockquote> I guess if you're going to push back one of the 3 hardcover releases, it's best that it's the world guide since the game is not playable without the CRB and the bestiary. </blockquote><p>Yeah. And in the meantime at least the Core Rulebook has the Lost Omens chapter for new players.
<p>But still. It's really too bad. I wonder what happened. </blockquote>My guess: Current US trade war with China. </blockquote><p>Not really. The fact is that we had two months in a row in which we shipped 1,000 pages of material to the printer. This fell in the second month, and we believed we had until a certain date to get the material to the printer before the Gen Con cutoff, and there was a miscommunication.Elorebaen wrote:tqomins wrote: PossibleCabbage wrote: I guess if you're going to push back one of the 3 hardcover releases, it's best that it's the world guide since the game is not playable without the CRB and the bestiary.
Yeah. And in the meantime at least the Core Rulebook has the Lost Omens chapter for new players. But still. It's really too bad. I wonder what happened. My guess: Current US trade war with China. Not really. The fact is that we had two months in a row in which we shipped...Mark Moreland (Director of Brand Strategy)2019-06-20T00:01:25ZRe: Forums/Pathfinder Second Edition: General Discussion: Paizo Blog: The Golden RoadElorebaenhttps://paizo.com/community/blog/v5748dyo6sgqm&page=2?The-Golden-Road#632019-06-20T22:06:46Z2019-06-19T23:44:29Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">tqomins wrote:</div><blockquote> <div class="messageboard-quotee">PossibleCabbage wrote:</div><blockquote> I guess if you're going to push back one of the 3 hardcover releases, it's best that it's the world guide since the game is not playable without the CRB and the bestiary. </blockquote><p>Yeah. And in the meantime at least the Core Rulebook has the Lost Omens chapter for new players.
<p>But still. It's really too bad. I wonder what happened. </blockquote><p>My guess: Current US trade war with China.tqomins wrote:PossibleCabbage wrote: I guess if you're going to push back one of the 3 hardcover releases, it's best that it's the world guide since the game is not playable without the CRB and the bestiary.
Yeah. And in the meantime at least the Core Rulebook has the Lost Omens chapter for new players. But still. It's really too bad. I wonder what happened. My guess: Current US trade war with China.Elorebaen2019-06-19T23:44:29ZRe: Forums/Pathfinder Second Edition: General Discussion: Paizo Blog: The Golden RoadElorebaenhttps://paizo.com/community/blog/v5748dyo6sgqm&page=2?The-Golden-Road#622019-06-21T01:01:52Z2019-06-19T23:42:32Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">Ramanujan wrote:</div><blockquote><br />
<br />
<p>Of course there is also the excellent Pathfinder Tales book Death's Heretic, which is set in Thuvia. The main character, Salim Ghadafar (who is from Rahadoum), is probably my favourite character from all of their novels. </blockquote><p>One of the best of the PF Tales! Salim is my go to model for the In quistor class.Ramanujan wrote:Of course there is also the excellent Pathfinder Tales book Death's Heretic, which is set in Thuvia. The main character, Salim Ghadafar (who is from Rahadoum), is probably my favourite character from all of their novels.
One of the best of the PF Tales! Salim is my go to model for the In quistor class.Elorebaen2019-06-19T23:42:32ZRe: Forums/Pathfinder Second Edition: General Discussion: Paizo Blog: The Golden RoadQuandaryhttps://paizo.com/community/blog/v5748dyo6sgqm&page=2?The-Golden-Road#612019-06-20T00:09:17Z2019-06-19T23:31:33Z<p>No, I think that was just some good old fashioned nerd detective work.
<br />
Note how not all of the archetypes are specified, only listing regions under assumption all regions will have archetype presented. Although that is slightly misleading framing, since apparently not all of Backgrounds, Archetypes, etc, will truly be available to EVERYBODY from the Region per se, they will have own pre-reqs which only some nations within the regions might fulfill. Blog wording not being rules text etc, and as Paizo stated "we can ignore regions with no impact".
<br />
(I made that mistake)</p>No, I think that was just some good old fashioned nerd detective work.
Note how not all of the archetypes are specified, only listing regions under assumption all regions will have archetype presented. Although that is slightly misleading framing, since apparently not all of Backgrounds, Archetypes, etc, will truly be available to EVERYBODY from the Region per se, they will have own pre-reqs which only some nations within the regions might fulfill. Blog wording not being rules text etc, and...Quandary2019-06-19T23:31:33ZRe: Forums/Pathfinder Second Edition: General Discussion: Paizo Blog: The Golden RoadDansomehttps://paizo.com/community/blog/v5748dyo6sgqm&page=2?The-Golden-Road#602019-06-19T23:26:06Z2019-06-19T23:26:06Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">tqomins wrote:</div><blockquote><p> So here are the archetypes we know so far:</p>
<p>1) Absalom: <b>Pathfinder Agent</b>
<br />
2) Broken Lands: <b>Aldori Duelist</b>
<br />
3) Eye of Dread: <b>Lastwall Sentry</b>
<br />
4) Golden Road: <b>Living Monolith</b>
<br />
4) High Seas
<br />
6) Impossible Lands: <b>Student of Perfection</b>
<br />
7) Mwangi Expanse
<br />
8) Old Cheliax: <b>Hellknight Armiger</b>
<br />
9) Saga Lands
<br />
10) Shining Kingdoms</p>
<p>And next week we find out if my <a href="https://paizo.com/threads/rzs42l3o?Red-Mantis-on-the-High-Seas-in-Lost-Omens" target="_blank" rel="nofollow"><b>guess</b></a> that we'll get Red Mantis for the High Seas was right or not! </blockquote><p>Did I miss a blog post about the Impossible Lands?tqomins wrote:So here are the archetypes we know so far:
1) Absalom: Pathfinder Agent
2) Broken Lands: Aldori Duelist
3) Eye of Dread: Lastwall Sentry
4) Golden Road: Living Monolith
4) High Seas
6) Impossible Lands: Student of Perfection
7) Mwangi Expanse
8) Old Cheliax: Hellknight Armiger
9) Saga Lands
10) Shining Kingdoms
And next week we find out if my guess that we'll get Red Mantis for the High Seas was right or not!
Did I miss a blog post about the Impossible Lands?Dansome2019-06-19T23:26:06ZRe: Forums/Pathfinder Second Edition: General Discussion: Paizo Blog: The Golden RoadQuandaryhttps://paizo.com/community/blog/v5748dyo6sgqm&page=2?The-Golden-Road#592019-06-21T07:52:38Z2019-06-19T23:22:22Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">Malk_Content wrote:</div><blockquote>I dunno, trying to convince the like 1 in 10000 who are a Divine Sorcerers (rare enough that including them isn't considered a major setting shift for Paizo) to get on board with your cause seems a lot harder than teaching people a way of doing things. And even if you did convince them all, that still leaves 99% of your clergy having to pretend anyway. </blockquote><p>Agreed, I think both the "Celestial Sorcerors make Razmirans superfluous" and "Celestial Sorcerors are ideal Razmirans" concepts are missing the point. Firstly, Celestial Sorcerors aren't offering anything that Oracles didn't already in 1E, so how can they possibly change things? But irrespective of faults in the detailed logic, I think in the bigger picture they are missing what the role of Razmirans is... Which doesn't hinge on being ideal PC character option fulfilling "necessity" of healing.
<p>Temp healing not being a real replacement for the real thing was not really a hidden element of them in 1E, so much that the inevitable let-down can only be understood in POSITIVE light from Razmiran perspective: a drug dealer doesn't see their product's limited duration as fault, right? (or alternately, why give the real thing when only simulation is required to keep minion fighting for another 2 rounds?) Razmiran Priests could all cast arcane Infernal Healing when they want real healing, the abilities were not truly competing for same role. In this light, the idea that Celestial Sorceror would be good Razmiran material is absurd, as it actually undercuts real substance of Razmiran church. It also ignores their REAL Domain powers, which is the actually interesting part of their abilities, that suggests there is something profound (or profane) to Razmir's grift (it's not like healing or Positive Channeling is inherent part of many real Deities' Clerics, just Good ones usually, although AFAIK Paizo has left door open to Good Deities not granting Positive Channel just as Evil ones may grant it now).</p>Malk_Content wrote:I dunno, trying to convince the like 1 in 10000 who are a Divine Sorcerers (rare enough that including them isn't considered a major setting shift for Paizo) to get on board with your cause seems a lot harder than teaching people a way of doing things. And even if you did convince them all, that still leaves 99% of your clergy having to pretend anyway.
Agreed, I think both the "Celestial Sorcerors make Razmirans superfluous" and "Celestial Sorcerors are ideal Razmirans"...Quandary2019-06-19T23:22:22ZRe: Forums/Pathfinder Second Edition: General Discussion: Paizo Blog: The Golden Roadtqominshttps://paizo.com/community/blog/v5748dyo6sgqm&page=2?The-Golden-Road#582019-06-20T08:26:56Z2019-06-19T23:09:05Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">PossibleCabbage wrote:</div><blockquote> I guess if you're going to push back one of the 3 hardcover releases, it's best that it's the world guide since the game is not playable without the CRB and the bestiary. </blockquote><p>Yeah. And in the meantime at least the Core Rulebook has the Lost Omens chapter for new players.
<p>But still. It's really too bad. I wonder what happened.</p>PossibleCabbage wrote:I guess if you're going to push back one of the 3 hardcover releases, it's best that it's the world guide since the game is not playable without the CRB and the bestiary.
Yeah. And in the meantime at least the Core Rulebook has the Lost Omens chapter for new players. But still. It's really too bad. I wonder what happened.tqomins2019-06-19T23:09:05ZRe: Forums/Pathfinder Second Edition: General Discussion: Paizo Blog: The Golden RoadPossibleCabbagehttps://paizo.com/community/blog/v5748dyo6sgqm&page=2?The-Golden-Road#572019-06-25T19:35:07Z2019-06-19T22:57:13Z<p>I guess if you're going to push back one of the 3 hardcover releases, it's best that it's the world guide since the game is not playable without the CRB and the bestiary.</p>I guess if you're going to push back one of the 3 hardcover releases, it's best that it's the world guide since the game is not playable without the CRB and the bestiary.PossibleCabbage2019-06-19T22:57:13ZRe: Forums/Pathfinder Second Edition: General Discussion: Paizo Blog: The Golden Roadtqominshttps://paizo.com/community/blog/v5748dyo6sgqm&page=2?The-Golden-Road#562019-06-20T22:05:37Z2019-06-19T22:48:59Z<p>Welp. Apparently the book has been pushed back till late August. Perram from Know Direction confirmed today after folks noticed a change on the product page:</p>
<div class="messageboard-quotee">Quote:</div><blockquote><p>I have a quote from Paizo</p>
<p>“I can confirmed that The Lost Omens World Guide will not be available until late August (around the 28th). It will not be available for Gen Con pickup. We are still in the process of updating our website details to reflect this change. Questions can be directed to our Customer Service Department which is open Mon–Fri, 10:00 a.m. to 5:00 p.m. Pacific. They can be contacted at (425) 250-0800 and customer.service@paizo.com.”</p>
<p>- Aaron Shanks</blockquote><p>That's really too bad.Welp. Apparently the book has been pushed back till late August. Perram from Know Direction confirmed today after folks noticed a change on the product page:
Quote:I have a quote from Paizo
“I can confirmed that The Lost Omens World Guide will not be available until late August (around the 28th). It will not be available for Gen Con pickup. We are still in the process of updating our website details to reflect this change. Questions can be directed to our Customer Service Department which...tqomins2019-06-19T22:48:59ZRe: Forums/Pathfinder Second Edition: General Discussion: Paizo Blog: The Golden RoadCaptain Morganhttps://paizo.com/community/blog/v5748dyo6sgqm&page=2?The-Golden-Road#552019-06-19T22:47:35Z2019-06-19T22:47:35Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">thejeff wrote:</div><blockquote> <div class="messageboard-quotee">Malk_Content wrote:</div><blockquote> <div class="messageboard-quotee">thejeff wrote:</div><blockquote> <div class="messageboard-quotee">Malk_Content wrote:</div><blockquote><p> I don't think it'll be a big issue with Razmir. While Sorcerers may be common PCs, they aren't necessarily common in world, let alone 1/4 of that class.</p>
<p>Judging by the amount of stories that make mention of Sorc being mistaken for Wizards, I'd say at the very least they are less commonplace than Wizards. </blockquote><p>Not common perhaps, but Razmir explicitly made use of an archetype of arcane sorcerers to pretend to be clerics using his "divine power".
</p>
That whole concept, which was cool, seems less necessary with divine sorcerers around. </blockquote>I dunno, trying to convince the like 1 in 10000 who are a Divine Sorcerers (rare enough that including them isn't considered a major setting shift for Paizo) to get on board with your cause seems a lot harder than teaching people a way of doing things. And even if you did convince them all, that still leaves 99% of your clergy having to pretend anyway. </blockquote><p>I don't know. Are they supposed to be that much rarer than arcane sorcerers? Is that how they're going to be treated in future campaign material?
</p>
Is that how non-core classes and especially those released in later books were treated in PF1? </blockquote><p>I'm not really sure what the presence of divine sorcerers changes things for him that much, since oracles were already a thing. Theoretically he could have hired them out just as easily as divine sorcerers. I dunno if anyone is particularly more common than the others between oracles, divine sorcerers, and arcane sorcerers, but I'd certainly be hesitant to use the existence of an archetype to argue one is more common than the others among NPCs. All 3 examples strike me as rare flukes of birth that you can't just create out of whole cloth.
<p>If anything, Razmir would have a more vested interest in wizards who can fake divine influence, as he could actually train people up into those.</p>thejeff wrote:Malk_Content wrote: thejeff wrote: Malk_Content wrote:I don't think it'll be a big issue with Razmir. While Sorcerers may be common PCs, they aren't necessarily common in world, let alone 1/4 of that class.
Judging by the amount of stories that make mention of Sorc being mistaken for Wizards, I'd say at the very least they are less commonplace than Wizards.
Not common perhaps, but Razmir explicitly made use of an archetype of arcane sorcerers to pretend to be clerics using his...Captain Morgan2019-06-19T22:47:35ZRe: Forums/Pathfinder Second Edition: General Discussion: Paizo Blog: The Golden Roadthejeffhttps://paizo.com/community/blog/v5748dyo6sgqm&page=2?The-Golden-Road#542019-06-19T22:21:54Z2019-06-19T22:21:54Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">Malk_Content wrote:</div><blockquote> <div class="messageboard-quotee">thejeff wrote:</div><blockquote> <div class="messageboard-quotee">Malk_Content wrote:</div><blockquote><p> I don't think it'll be a big issue with Razmir. While Sorcerers may be common PCs, they aren't necessarily common in world, let alone 1/4 of that class.</p>
<p>Judging by the amount of stories that make mention of Sorc being mistaken for Wizards, I'd say at the very least they are less commonplace than Wizards. </blockquote><p>Not common perhaps, but Razmir explicitly made use of an archetype of arcane sorcerers to pretend to be clerics using his "divine power".
</p>
That whole concept, which was cool, seems less necessary with divine sorcerers around. </blockquote>I dunno, trying to convince the like 1 in 10000 who are a Divine Sorcerers (rare enough that including them isn't considered a major setting shift for Paizo) to get on board with your cause seems a lot harder than teaching people a way of doing things. And even if you did convince them all, that still leaves 99% of your clergy having to pretend anyway. </blockquote><p>I don't know. Are they supposed to be that much rarer than arcane sorcerers? Is that how they're going to be treated in future campaign material?
</p>
Is that how non-core classes and especially those released in later books were treated in PF1?</p>Malk_Content wrote:thejeff wrote: Malk_Content wrote:I don't think it'll be a big issue with Razmir. While Sorcerers may be common PCs, they aren't necessarily common in world, let alone 1/4 of that class.
Judging by the amount of stories that make mention of Sorc being mistaken for Wizards, I'd say at the very least they are less commonplace than Wizards.
Not common perhaps, but Razmir explicitly made use of an archetype of arcane sorcerers to pretend to be clerics using his "divine
...thejeff2019-06-19T22:21:54ZRe: Forums/Pathfinder Second Edition: General Discussion: Paizo Blog: The Golden RoadMalk_Contenthttps://paizo.com/community/blog/v5748dyo6sgqm&page=2?The-Golden-Road#532019-06-19T22:03:39Z2019-06-19T22:03:39Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">thejeff wrote:</div><blockquote> <div class="messageboard-quotee">Malk_Content wrote:</div><blockquote><p> I don't think it'll be a big issue with Razmir. While Sorcerers may be common PCs, they aren't necessarily common in world, let alone 1/4 of that class.</p>
<p>Judging by the amount of stories that make mention of Sorc being mistaken for Wizards, I'd say at the very least they are less commonplace than Wizards. </blockquote><p>Not common perhaps, but Razmir explicitly made use of an archetype of arcane sorcerers to pretend to be clerics using his "divine power".
</p>
That whole concept, which was cool, seems less necessary with divine sorcerers around. </blockquote><p>I dunno, trying to convince the like 1 in 10000 who are a Divine Sorcerers (rare enough that including them isn't considered a major setting shift for Paizo) to get on board with your cause seems a lot harder than teaching people a way of doing things. And even if you did convince them all, that still leaves 99% of your clergy having to pretend anyway.thejeff wrote:Malk_Content wrote:I don't think it'll be a big issue with Razmir. While Sorcerers may be common PCs, they aren't necessarily common in world, let alone 1/4 of that class.
Judging by the amount of stories that make mention of Sorc being mistaken for Wizards, I'd say at the very least they are less commonplace than Wizards.
Not common perhaps, but Razmir explicitly made use of an archetype of arcane sorcerers to pretend to be clerics using his "divine power".
That whole...Malk_Content2019-06-19T22:03:39ZRe: Forums/Pathfinder Second Edition: General Discussion: Paizo Blog: The Golden RoadFuzzy-Wuzzyhttps://paizo.com/community/blog/v5748dyo6sgqm&page=2?The-Golden-Road#522019-06-19T21:27:20Z2019-06-19T21:27:20Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">Arachnofiend wrote:</div><blockquote> <div class="messageboard-quotee">MaxAstro wrote:</div><blockquote> <div class="messageboard-quotee">Arachnofiend wrote:</div><blockquote> Rahadoum kinda has the same issue as the Mana Wastes in being a very idea rich setting that would be hard to swing as an official AP because of class limitations. I wouldn't be satisfied with a Rahadoum AP where you're allowed to play a Cleric. </blockquote>This seems like a strange stance to me - wouldn't the intrigue of having to hide your worship be part of the appeal of a Rahadoum AP?</blockquote>A Rahadoum AP in which a party member can be a cleric is a Rahadoum AP in which no player character can be a loyal Rahadoumi citizen. I'd be far more interested in a story in which the focus characters perceive the Laws of Man as right and just. </blockquote><p>Are there known Laws of Man beyond "Let no man be beholden to a god"? That's the only one on pathfinderwiki.Arachnofiend wrote:MaxAstro wrote: Arachnofiend wrote: Rahadoum kinda has the same issue as the Mana Wastes in being a very idea rich setting that would be hard to swing as an official AP because of class limitations. I wouldn't be satisfied with a Rahadoum AP where you're allowed to play a Cleric.
This seems like a strange stance to me - wouldn't the intrigue of having to hide your worship be part of the appeal of a Rahadoum AP?A Rahadoum AP in which a party member can be a cleric is a...Fuzzy-Wuzzy2019-06-19T21:27:20ZRe: Forums/Pathfinder Second Edition: General Discussion: Paizo Blog: The Golden RoadBellonahttps://paizo.com/community/blog/v5748dyo6sgqm&page=2?The-Golden-Road#512019-06-19T21:27:28Z2019-06-19T21:26:19Z<p>I was a bit surprised to see that the Qadiran satrap has pale eyes.</p>I was a bit surprised to see that the Qadiran satrap has pale eyes.Bellona2019-06-19T21:26:19Z