PACG, Starring Not Your Typical Goblins!

Friday, April 5, 2019

Over here at Pathfinder Adventure Card Game HQ, we're getting very excited. The new Pathfinder Adventure Card Game: Core Set and the Curse of the Crimson Throne Adventure Path are due for release in May. So we've got news about your PACG subscription!

Both of these sets are part of the main Pathfinder Adventure Card Game subscription. If you aren't already a subscriber, now's a great time to start. You currently have 3 choices for starting your subscription:

  • If you choose to start your sub with the previous release—the Ultimate Wilderness Add-On Deck—you'll also score a free copy of last year's Free RPG Day promo character, Nok Nok.
  • If you choose to start with the Core Set, you'll get both the Core Set and Curse of Crimson Throne.
  • If you choose to start with Curse of the Crimson Throne, we won't send you the Core Set; this option is especially useful for non-US subscribers who want to get most of the subscription benefits without having to pay the unfortunately hefty international shipping fees for Core, which weighs in at a bit over 4 pounds.

And what are the benefits? Subscribers get 20% off the MSRP of their subscription products, plus subscribers occasionally get free promo cards.

The Tall Knife promo card, featuring a stylized guillotine weapon. The Corpse Plate promo card, featuring a beaten set of heavy armor. The Embiggen promo card, featuring an illustration of Seoni, the iconic sorcerer at double her height, to demonstrate the spell Embiggen.

What? "Embiggen" is totally in the OED. Look it up!

Yes, promo cards! There are six new promo cards for these products. Subscribers will get all six along with their subscription shipment of Curse of the Crimson Throne. They will also be available in these ways:

  • Four of the six—the blessing The Real Rabbit Prince, the weapon The Tall Knife, the item The Unveiling, and the ally Asyra—are in a special Curse of the Crimson Throne promo pack we're sending out to retailers as part of a special launch kit in May. (If you're hoping to procure these from your favorite retailer, make sure they're ordering the launch kit from their distributor!)
  • The armor Corpse Plate will be available at larger Pathfinder Society events in the next year, starting at PaizoCon on May 24.
  • The spell Embiggen will appear in an upcoming issue of Game Trade magazine.
We Be Heroes? cover image, featuring three goblins in a fight with three large pigs.

Free RPG Day is June 15, less than a month after we release Core and Curse. So we've got a special treat: goblins! OK, sure, we've done a goblin character every Free RPG Day for years. So what makes this year different?

We're not just releasing a character—we're releasing a storybook. We Be Heroes? is an 8-page storybook for the new Pathfinder Adventure Card Game Core Set. It's a PACG adaptation of the Pathfinder Module of the same name being released at the same time for use with the Pathfinder RPG. It features four new heroic goblin characters from the Crookedtoes tribe: the barbarian Grenek, the ranger Crimsi, the druid Siathorn, and the bard Pizazz.

A preview of the four new goblin character cards from the Cookedtoes tribe, including Grenek, Crimsi, Siathorn, and Pizazz.

They're not terribly good at being good, but they're working on it. Their opportunity comes when a group of paladins get in trouble, and our heroes need to get them out alive. Can they defeat the Blasted Chicken that squawks in their way? Only you can help them.

Oh, also, Siathorn has this wolf cohort.

Mitzi, a white poodle animal Cohort, wearing a ping bow.

Totally a wolf.

If you can't make it to a participating store for Free RPG Day, don't worry: starting July 1, you can get the PDF for free from paizo.com, or you can pay a mere $3 for the print edition.

So all that's very exciting! We hope you'll sign up for that subscription and get those promo cards, then keep an eye out for We Be Heroes? in June. It's all coming soon!

Mike Selinker
Lead Designer, Pathfinder Adventure Card Game

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I think we've provided enough background in previous Core Principles blogs that most of the mechanics on these cards should be pretty clear. If I'm wrong about that, go ahead and ask!

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Corpse Plate shows off a new "draw while displayed" armor activation that I think a lot of you will quickly come to appreciate.

Grand Lodge

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Huzzah!


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Each new blog makes me even more excited!


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Yay promos!

On that topic- Is there any update about if/when WoTR and MM promos will be put in the shop?

Also, will the Core/Curse promos be made available in the shop as well? It sounds like the new promos will have a few different ways to get them which is great but are the same time I personally would love to see all of these in the shop even if that means a year from now (I.e. Time exclusive initially and then publicly available).

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I will poke our store manager on the WotR/MM promos.


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Cool promo cards, and a Free RPG Day book to use the new core set as a core set, right away! Very nice.


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Hi Vic, I'm not sure I understand how subscribers may get access to the physical copy of the Goblins We Be Heroes cards, especially for poor guys living far away from US Free RPG Days events.
:-)


So not all the promos for PACG 1st edition ever made it to the site to buy directly. Are you doing things better to make it so we'll actually be able to get everything with PACG 2nd edition? It's really irksome not being able to get a complete set of the game.

(And there's still the issue of the character sheets and deck lists still missing from all of the last wave of releases that I still haven't been able to play with because of that. So, sadly, I won't be able to get to any of the new stuff any time soon...)


Very interesting goblin adventure and adventurers. On the bard, Pizzaz (pun intended), there is one instruction that made me smile. You have to whistle a tune and recharge a card to use ?his? second power. So the player has to whistle a tune, otherwise it won't work? Thematic for a bard! It reminds me of funny Magic the Gathering editions - such as Blacker Lotus and Ashnod's Coupon cards.


Paizo wrote:
this option is especially useful for non-US subscribers who want to get most of the subscription benefits without having to pay the unfortunately hefty international shipping fees for Core, which weighs in at a bit over 4 pounds.

I'm having trouble finding out how much those shipping fees are - would anybody be able to advise how much the postage to the UK is? I'd rather find out before it suddenly leaves my account, and switch subs if necessary.


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50 to 70£...


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Supersting wrote:
Paizo wrote:
this option is especially useful for non-US subscribers who want to get most of the subscription benefits without having to pay the unfortunately hefty international shipping fees for Core, which weighs in at a bit over 4 pounds.
I'm having trouble finding out how much those shipping fees are - would anybody be able to advise how much the postage to the UK is? I'd rather find out before it suddenly leaves my account, and switch subs if necessary.

I too would like to know what the shipping to the UK is going to be like. I really wish they would find a UK and/or European partner to make these things affordable for people outside of the US.


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Looking forward to it!


Hannibal_pjv wrote:
50 to 70£...

!!!!!

Yikes.


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Pizazz has a wonderfully thematic diplomacy power. Once they start charming a potential ally, all of the others make themselves scarce.


Pizazz is always a local character to himself, right?


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DeciusBrutus wrote:
Pizazz is always a local character to himself, right?

Yes, always local to himself but he wouldn't count as "another local player" for the one power feat


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1) How do subscribers get the new Goblin cards?!?

2) I understand it's best for us internationals to skip the Core box, but how big (read: expensive to ship) would Crimson Throne be? That still seems like a pretty big box (550 cards, pawns, Storybook...)

Could someone from Paizo quote a similar product that we can look up to calculate our shipping cost, please? (As-is, Throne seems to be be about the same volume as Core, if not bigger - by 110 cards...)


Kinda curious what tiers this adventure will be since 8 pages is not a lot.


Longshot 11 wrote:
1) How do subscribers get the new Goblin cards?!?

Some info from the product page:

Release: This special 8-page Adventure Card Game storybook was created for Free RPG Day on June 15, 2019. The print edition will be available for sale and a free download will be available on paizo.com beginning July 1, 2019.

Note: Due to the special nature of this product, it is NOT part of any subscription.


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Morph147 Korundo wrote:
Kinda curious what tiers this adventure will be since 8 pages is not a lot.

8 A4 Pages is quite a lot. You can fit 9 full size cards on an A4 page. Meaning they could easily fit an entire box of adventure rules within such a book. [9x8 = 72, normal cards per path = 42]

Now I'm guessing it will actually be the equivalent of the B scenarios and they'll use that extra space to expand on the story told, but that booklet is technically big enough to fit an entire paths worth of content with room to spare.


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Malk_Content wrote:
Morph147 Korundo wrote:
Kinda curious what tiers this adventure will be since 8 pages is not a lot.

8 A4 Pages is quite a lot. You can fit 9 full size cards on an A4 page. Meaning they could easily fit an entire box of adventure rules within such a book. [9x8 = 72, normal cards per path = 42]

Now I'm guessing it will actually be the equivalent of the B scenarios and they'll use that extra space to expand on the story told, but that booklet is technically big enough to fit an entire paths worth of content with room to spare.

I'm a dumb dumb and forgot that scenario cards use both sides so need the space of 84 cards. Then I remember that they use art on both sides taking up about half a card on each side, something not necessary in the book so we can remove the duplicated image and fit it all back in again.


Malk_Content wrote:
Now I'm guessing it will actually be the equivalent of the B scenarios and they'll use that extra space to expand on the story told, but that booklet is technically big enough to fit an entire paths worth of content with room to spare.

The other blog posts told us that they're not making cards for the Adventure Path/Adventure/Scenarios in the new set, instead using a more flexible format in a booklet like the Guild Scenarios.

This is an adaptation of a short RPG module, so I'd expect it to be 1 Adventure of 4-6 Scenarios in Card Game terms.

The Goblin character page above appears to be page 8 of the booklet, based on the file name. Given the size of physical cards and what they've said about the new story booklets, I'm going to guess that this is a 5.5" x 8.5" page and there are actually 16 of them in the product (8 11" x 8.5" sheets). You'd need 4 of those pages to proxy a complete Character, or 2 if they don't come with Role cards in the booklet. They'll also use a few pages for proxy Story Banes, the Mitzi Cohort, and such. The rest is the Adventure at 2 pages per Scenario.

This is all speculation, of course. It's a free product, so we will all get to see what they did when the time comes. :)

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The We Be Heroes adventure is 8 pages that are 5.5" x 8.5". We did not provide role cards in the adventure because the characters are too low level in the adventure to use them, but we will be providing them in a download.


redeux wrote:
DeciusBrutus wrote:
Pizazz is always a local character to himself, right?

Yes, always local to himself but he wouldn't count as "another local player" for the one power feat

I was inquiring about the power feat that was "A local player may discard a card from ..."


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DeciusBrutus wrote:
redeux wrote:
DeciusBrutus wrote:
Pizazz is always a local character to himself, right?

Yes, always local to himself but he wouldn't count as "another local player" for the one power feat

I was inquiring about the power feat that was "A local player may discard a card from ..."

Yes, he is a Local character for any of his own powers. A Local character means "a character at your location" (which you yourself certainly count as).


For people wondering about shipping costs:

Instead of using the Subscription product (which only shows "Cheapest possible"), add the actual item to your cart. Both the Core and Curse sets can be added to your cart from the Preorder tab on this page. Then, if you click on Checkout and go to the Shipping tab, it will list the actual shipping costs.

For reference, here in Canada, the Core set costs 29$ in shipping, while CotCT costs 26$ - so, Curse is still a lot more expensive than the single 110-card decks from previous sets. (But also, less expensive than 6 separate 110-card decks.)


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Shnik wrote:

For people wondering about shipping costs:

Instead of using the Subscription product (which only shows "Cheapest possible"), add the actual item to your cart. Both the Core and Curse sets can be added to your cart from the Preorder tab on this page. Then, if you click on Checkout and go to the Shipping tab, it will list the actual shipping costs.

Thanks, mate. That was far from intuitive for me.

Oddly enough, it shows cheapest shipping to UK at 29,58$ (so perhaps still thereabouts for most of Western Europe) - which is... the same as shipping to Canada?!? Either we're getting a great deal over here, or you guys are getting majorly ripped :(


For me, in Maryland, shipping for the new Core shows up as $21.68 (USPS Priority).


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Longshot11 wrote:
Shnik wrote:

For people wondering about shipping costs:

Instead of using the Subscription product (which only shows "Cheapest possible"), add the actual item to your cart. Both the Core and Curse sets can be added to your cart from the Preorder tab on this page. Then, if you click on Checkout and go to the Shipping tab, it will list the actual shipping costs.

Thanks, mate. That was far from intuitive for me.

Oddly enough, it shows cheapest shipping to UK at 29,58$ (so perhaps still thereabouts for most of Western Europe) - which is... the same as shipping to Canada?!? Either we're getting a great deal over here, or you guys are getting majorly ripped :(

For the record, here in Australia I'm also being charged $29.58 USD for shipping of Crimson Throne. For the Core set alone, I'm charged $38.80 USD for shipping, and I'm charged for $49.75 USD for both combined. (For reference, that means approx $50 shipping for products that cost about $120.)

Which is interesting, as I thought (in the past) that Australian shipping of Paizo products cost more than shipping to the UK. I suspect something's changed.

That said, the shipping price seems close to par with my previous experience of shipping costs from Paizo in general, but cheaper for those who just want the cards they need to play through a standard Adventure Path. I remember being charged about $80USD or so when I bought the full Mummy's Mask AP and a handful of Class Decks ($140 worth of product at the time, but most of that was on sale).


Longshot11 wrote:
Shnik wrote:

For people wondering about shipping costs:

Instead of using the Subscription product (which only shows "Cheapest possible"), add the actual item to your cart. Both the Core and Curse sets can be added to your cart from the Preorder tab on this page. Then, if you click on Checkout and go to the Shipping tab, it will list the actual shipping costs.

Thanks, mate. That was far from intuitive for me.

Oddly enough, it shows cheapest shipping to UK at 29,58$ (so perhaps still thereabouts for most of Western Europe) - which is... the same as shipping to Canada?!? Either we're getting a great deal over here, or you guys are getting majorly ripped :(

No shipping to Canada is really that expensive :( this is because unlike the EU NAFTA isn't a customs union and the majority of the cost in shipping services is the customs not the route it took. See this.


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Longshot11 wrote:
Shnik wrote:

For people wondering about shipping costs:

Instead of using the Subscription product (which only shows "Cheapest possible"), add the actual item to your cart. Both the Core and Curse sets can be added to your cart from the Preorder tab on this page. Then, if you click on Checkout and go to the Shipping tab, it will list the actual shipping costs.

Thanks, mate. That was far from intuitive for me.

Oddly enough, it shows cheapest shipping to UK at 29,58$ (so perhaps still thereabouts for most of Western Europe) - which is... the same as shipping to Canada?!? Either we're getting a great deal over here, or you guys are getting majorly ripped :(

Eh? For me it shows as 40.64$ (core set), so that's 90$ total, but then there's VAT, so we're talking about £90. I don't think import duty applies at this cost, but if it does its even more prohibitive. Jeez

EDIT: 29.58$ for Crimson Throne shipping, plus 40$ for it's cost on the sub, and 20% VAT brings us to £63.89. If it's a gift (and clearly labelled as such on the box otherwise how will customs know), you might be able to have VAT waived. The question is, how much will a retailer locally charge?

If core and throne ship together, I calculate it at £128.42. Even as a gift you are charged VAT here.

Final edit on this pricey post- The legal requirement of "gift" requires that it be bought and sent between individuals, so you're always hit with VAT. With that in mind, the definitive UK prices based on current data are:
Core: £81
Crimson: £64
Both: £128
If you're not buying through the sub at 20% off, you're looking at another £10-20 I reckon.


Vic Wertz wrote:

I will poke our store manager on the WotR/MM promos.

Sorry to bring this up again, but any update regarding these promos?

I believe combined shipping on both these and Core+ might make it worth my while to order directly from Paizo.

Thanks!

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