Playtest is over, so what’s the plan?

Wednesday, February 13, 2019

We closed the official Pathfinder Playtest in December and are well on the way to finalizing the final manuscript for the Core Rulebook. Now that we are close to locking and loading what Pathfinder version two looks like, the organized play team is revisiting our surveys from this fall and using them to finalize decisions as to what the new version of Pathfinder Society looks like.


Some community members requested information on the replay rate for Pathfinder Society version 1 and release rate of version 2, among other topics. We aren't ignoring those questions, but before we can answer those, we needed to formulate a plan for Season 10. Good news is we have a title and basic outline for where the story is going. Bad news, we won't release any news on the upcoming Pathfinder Society storyline until the PaizoCon banquet the end of May. If you want to be there to hear it first, be sure to get your PaizoCon badge and banquet ticket..

One of the topics of discussion during the planning meetings was the use of Year and Season. We tend to call them "Year of the X" but refer to them numerically as "Season X". For example, last year was both "Year of Faction's Favor" and "Season 9". This has the potential for confusion and so we are moving to use Year exclusively. This change starts with the release of the new Starfinder Society storyline at Origins, though you won't have to wait to June for spoilers. More information about the upcoming Starfinder Society Year of the ?? coming your way via blog in a few weeks!

To keep you updated, here's a list of a few of the topics we are focused on answering in the next few months. While not comprehensive, it hits the top tier of discussion material for the team.

  • Playtest Point Rewards
  • Faction Names and Symbols
  • Guide Structure - including the requested Quick Start Guide
  • Additional Resources, Campaign Clarifications, and FAQs
  • Sanctioning of other Paizo adventures
  • How we sanction adventures
  • Pregenerated Characters
  • Support Programs - Retail, Regional, Charity, and Event.
  • Campaign Documentation - Chronicles, Information Tracking Sheets, and Character Sheets
  • Game Reporting Methods
  • Replay for Seasons 0-10 of Pathfinder Society
  • Five (nova/glyph) requirements and implementation

As a reminder, while the Playtest using Doomsday Dawn is over, Pathfinder Society players may still accumulate Playtest Points using the four Playtest Scenarios—The Rose Street Revenge, Raiders of Shrieking Peak, Arclord's Envy, and The Frozen Oath until sometime mid-July. The exact cutoff is still to be determined.

So, until next week, stay warm and remember to; Explore, Report, Cooperate!

Tonya Woldridge
Organized Play Manager

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Grand Lodge ***** Venture-Captain, Arizona—Phoenix aka TriOmegaZero

Huzzah!


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*sigh*
I read the headline and thought we were going to get our first little taste of second edition. :*(

Not your fault. Still super disappointed.

***** Venture-Agent, California—San Francisco Bay Area North & East aka Pirate Rob

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Maybe I'm just grumpy but...

I'm confused by the lack of information and timing here.

Shouldn't the plan/storyline for season 10 have been formulated last year. We're halfway through the season now...

At least you've got a plan to do things.

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Pirate Rob wrote:

Maybe I'm just grumpy but...

I'm confused by the lack of information and timing here.

Shouldn't the plan/storyline for season 10 have been formulated last year. We're halfway through the season now...

At least you've got a plan to do things.

Based on the context, I believe Tonya's referring to the first year's content for the Second Edition campaign, not Season 10 (the ongoing and final year of content for the First Edition campaign).

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John Compton wrote:
Pirate Rob wrote:

Maybe I'm just grumpy but...

I'm confused by the lack of information and timing here.

Shouldn't the plan/storyline for season 10 have been formulated last year. We're halfway through the season now...

At least you've got a plan to do things.

Based on the context, I believe Tonya's referring to the first year's content for the Second Edition campaign, not Season 10 (the ongoing and final year of content for the First Edition campaign).

That makes a lot more sense...

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Maybe I suck at web searches (yeah, I do), but I cannot find the location of the Playtest files anymore. I've got the rulebook, the updates from November, all of the scenarios as best I can tell, and the pre-gens that were available in December (6 classes of level 1 and 5, and the 6 iconics I got from running the Gen con demos).

If there's a way to still post surveys and feedback, I cannot find it. I spent all of the fall wrapped up with changing residences and missed out on nearly everything. But, now we're back to playing with friends and running demos at upcoming local cons and I'd like to make sure people still get credit for trying out the game. Could someone please post the links?

Thanks!

Robert

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Google paizo playtest ;)

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"One of the topics of discussion during the planning meetings was the use of Year and Season. We tend to call them "Year of the X" but refer to them numerically as "Season X". For example, last year was both "Year of Faction's Favor" and "Season 9". This has the potential for confusion and so we are moving to use Year exclusively."

I'd have voted for the opposite. My players want to know which season we're playing tonight, and "Season Six" answers that question. "Year of the whatever" does not answer the question they're asking.

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Harold Ervin wrote:
My players want to know which season we're playing tonight, and "Season Six" answers that question. "Year of the whatever" does not answer the question they're asking.

I read the post to mean that they'll use 'Year' for both, so for the first iteration of PFS under PF2, it'll be 'Year 1' (instead of Season 1) and 'Year of the Scheming Stirge'. (Though they may pick a different theme for that year, we'll see.)

Also, I could be wrong.

Grand Lodge

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I've never heard a single player or GM refer to a season by its 'Year of' name, and that probably won't change going forward.

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I mean it is useful to refer it with both so you get answer to both what number of season it is and what the overall "main" plot of it is about :p

Grand Lodge ***** ⦵⦵ Venture-Captain, Online—PbP aka Hmm

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Like others, I have to say that "Season #" is a better way of avoiding confusion than "Year of the ___". We all keep track of storylines by Season number. The names are cool and all, but seasons are much easier for a new player to track. The names are also longer to say.

Is this change set in stone?

Hmm

Shadow Lodge *****

I have used Year of the X to refer to seasons. Even ones that were not labeled Year of the X.

Scarab Sages ****

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“Year of the Adamantine Greatsword” doesn’t count.

I’m hoping that it’s Year 1 and Year of the X, not just Year of the X. I’m trying to figure out how scenario numbering would work without a season/year prefacing it. Season 0 and Season 1 of PFS1 proved that you’ll quickly get to a very high scenario # without the season in front of it. Plus there’s something nice about being able to look at the scenario number and know what part of the season the scenario takes place in.

One other potential point of confusion even if it is Year 1... it’s also Year 4719.

Grand Lodge ***** ⦵⦵ Venture-Captain, Online—PbP aka Hmm

Ferious Thune wrote:
“Year of the Adamantine Greatsword” doesn’t count.

And yet, I know that nickname refers to Season 6!

Some of the names are more compelling than others. I don't remember the real name of Season 7. For some reason its nickname, 'Year of the Skill Check.' is what stuck in my head.

I just think that numbers help us with chronology so thta we all don't get confused about which season follows the next.

Grand Lodge ***** Regional Venture-Coordinator, Great Lakes aka TwilightKnight

So if we drop the season #, then how are the scenarios going to be identified. The current nomenclature is “PFS ##-## Title”. What will it be for next year/season?

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I could be mistaken, but (like Ferious Thune above) I read this as not dropping the numeric designation but rather replacing "season" with "year" so that we'd have, for example: "Year 1: The Year of New Beginnings".

Or possibly "Year 4719: The Year of New Beginnings"?

Silver Crusade ***** ⦵⦵ Venture-Captain, Germany—Bavaria

Ferious Thune wrote:

“Year of the Adamantine Greatsword” doesn’t count.

I’m hoping that it’s Year 1 and Year of the X, not just Year of the X. I’m trying to figure out how scenario numbering would work without a season/year prefacing it. Season 0 and Season 1 of PFS1 proved that you’ll quickly get to a very high scenario # without the season in front of it. Plus there’s something nice about being able to look at the scenario number and know what part of the season the scenario takes place in.

One other potential point of confusion even if it is Year 1... it’s also Year 4719.

I started with season 6 and while that name would be very recognizable, locally and while planning we tend to use season 6.

Honestly, I don't see people sticking with the "official" name, though if that means that more scenarios are linked to that season's theme, that would be a very welcome change. I haven't touched the vast majority of the PFS scenarios of this season, but many of them could have been in any previous season.

Bob Jonquet wrote:
So if we drop the season #, then how are the scenarios going to be identified. The current nomenclature is “PFS ##-## Title”. What will it be for next year/season?

I agree with Bob, that is a rather important question, are the first releases going to be PFS season 11, PFS2 season 1? Are we going to start with A-1 The re-commencement?


RobertTHEPerylous wrote:

Maybe I suck at web searches (yeah, I do), but I cannot find the location of the Playtest files anymore. I've got the rulebook, the updates from November, all of the scenarios as best I can tell, and the pre-gens that were available in December (6 classes of level 1 and 5, and the 6 iconics I got from running the Gen con demos).

If there's a way to still post surveys and feedback, I cannot find it. I spent all of the fall wrapped up with changing residences and missed out on nearly everything. But, now we're back to playing with friends and running demos at upcoming local cons and I'd like to make sure people still get credit for trying out the game. Could someone please post the links?

Thanks!

Robert

The official surveys are closed, but you can still post feedback on the playtest forums. Not sure how much attention it will get from the design team at this stage though.

There's also a couple interviews Jason did where he revealed some of the changes they are already planning on making. One is his last paizo Friday twitch appearance and the other is an interview from January on Know Direction. I'd maybe check those out before getting to deep in the weeds of feedback. No point complaining about something they are already changing, you know?

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Ferious Thune wrote:
“Year of the Adamantine Greatsword” doesn’t count.

“Year of the Murderhobo”

Scarab Sages ****

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TOZ wrote:
Ferious Thune wrote:
“Year of the Adamantine Greatsword” doesn’t count.
“Year of the Murderhobo”

But... that’s every year.

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Grandmaster TOZ wrote:
Even ones that were not labeled Year of the X.

Sovereign Court **** Venture-Lieutenant, Netherlands—Leiden aka Ascalaphus

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I've always been rather dubiously amused by the complaints about the Year of the Skillcheck. To me it sounded a lot like people were still stuck in the Year of the Dumb As Rocks Murderhobo.

Nowadays build guides don't recommend dumping Int to 7 as much anymore.

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The season names are important for designing awesome t-shirts!

Anyhow, like others have mentioned: they probably meant they're unifying the terminology between the descriptive name and the numeric cataloguing.

Like others, I like Seasons better. Season 1: Season of the Wolf. However, I do recognize that Season represents a shorter time frame (~3 months) in many people's minds and, barring SFS weirdness, Year more accurately conveys the time frame.

Silver Crusade ***** Venture-Lieutenant, Virginia—Fairfax aka Karhaz

I am excited for the new options, and thank you for letting Us know about the Plans for the scenarios to earn play-test Points! I personally am going to help with the Lodges run it a few times a month to lead to some excitement at whats upcoming!

I want to extend a thanks to the support of the Retail incentive - My Lodge has had a sale increase for the days we run between 25%-35% and this needs to be marketed for us to have stores help guide them towards our adventures!

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Blake's Tiger wrote:

Like others, I like Seasons better. Season 1: Season of the Wolf. However, I do recognize that Season represents a shorter time frame (~3 months) in many people's minds and, barring SFS weirdness, Year more accurately conveys the time frame.

Well since our seasons go from Gencon to Gencon (at least for PFS) the term year might also confuse some, especially those who just don't happen to be on the same continent.

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Sebastian Hirsch wrote:
Blake's Tiger wrote:

Like others, I like Seasons better. Season 1: Season of the Wolf. However, I do recognize that Season represents a shorter time frame (~3 months) in many people's minds and, barring SFS weirdness, Year more accurately conveys the time frame.

Well since our seasons go from Gencon to Gencon (at least for PFS) the term year might also confuse some, especially those who just don't happen to be on the same continent.

True. I was confused by that when I joined PFS.

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Good information and looking forward to the details. Additional info on what the plans are for Gencon, ending season 10 and the old pathfinder ver 1, starting the new version 2 info would help. I am actually going to gencon this year and want to make sure I am ready for the changeover. So any advance info on that would be a big help.

Liberty's Edge ***** Venture-Lieutenant, Indiana—Martinsville aka thaX

I believe the Year of the (insert title here) should have the Season number as well. The suggestion/questioning comment above that put forth the format of "Year 1, Year of the (Title)" might be the best way forward.

I wonder if we are starting with number 1, or continuing with Year 11 for PF2. I would hope for the latter.

The Exchange ***** ⦵⦵ Venture-Lieutenant, North Carolina—Charlotte aka eddv

One step closer to the end of days.

Grand Lodge ****

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I could see the new campaign starting with Year or Season 11 confusing new players.

Scarab Sages ****

I think it's already been said in one of the blogs that they're starting over with 1, not continuing with 11.

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Maybe they are going with "Year 1" instead of "Season 1" so as to differentiate between PFS1 and PFS2.

Scarab Sages *** Venture-Agent

I also understood it to be Year 1, Year of the (title).

I actually prefer year as the terminology. I frequently use the "Year of" name. After all it's a game about telling stories and the story related name always had more significance than just a number for me.

I believe season 7 was Year of the Serpent. Though Year of the skill check is used more frequently.

Actually it's kind of ironic that the year that is so heavily associated with skill checks over being a murder hobo was the year whose story theme involved going out and getting revenge on the dirty Aspis. I remember thinking when it was announced, "Oh yea! We're going wipes those snakes out!"

Grand Lodge ***** Regional Venture-Coordinator, Great Lakes aka TwilightKnight

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We should not use "year" since our seasons overlap two calendar years. "Season of the X" would be preferred.

Sovereign Court *** Venture-Lieutenant, Georgia—Savannah aka KitsuneWarlock

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If school years can start in August, so can ours.

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Hoping there is no need for erratta right away. Would like to see rules and spell descriptions precisely worded.

Grand Lodge ***** Regional Venture-Coordinator, Great Lakes aka TwilightKnight

Dustin Knight wrote:
If school years can start in August, so can ours.

Yeah, but we don't call it "Year of the Shakespeare." We call it 5th grade (or whatever).

***** Venture-Agent, California—San Francisco Bay Area North & East aka Pirate Rob

Until we get to highschool and then it's names and numbers

9th Grade/Freshman Year
10th Grade/Sophomore Year

etc.


I... I finally have a campaign to play Alice. Gravewalker witch. I never thought this day would come.


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Does this mean Doomsday Dawn is no longer sanctioned for Pathfinder Society?

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Zach Davis wrote:

I also understood it to be Year 1, Year of the (title).

I actually prefer year as the terminology. I frequently use the "Year of" name. After all it's a game about telling stories and the story related name always had more significance than just a number for me.

I believe season 7 was Year of the Serpent. Though Year of the skill check is used more frequently.

Actually it's kind of ironic that the year that is so heavily associated with skill checks over being a murder hobo was the year whose story theme involved going out and getting revenge on the dirty Aspis. I remember thinking when it was announced, "Oh yea! We're going wipes those snakes out!"

The Year of the Serpent was of course about laying down some vengeance on the Aspis, but we also dealt with nagaji and serpentfolk that were entirely uninvolved with the corporation.

The Exchange ***** Venture-Lieutenant, Texas—Dallas & Ft. Worth aka Belafon

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I think we should take a cue from the current Season ("Season of the Ten"). Starting at GenCon:

2019: Season of the One
2020: Season of the Two
2021: Season of the Three
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.
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Scarab Sages ****

Or from We Be Goblins...

Season of the One
Season of the Too!
Season of the Free!
Season B4 the Season
Season of the Super Goblins!

I’m guessing at this point a quick “this is what we meant” answer about what switching to Year exclusively means isn’t going to be forthcoming before the weekend?

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Sebastian Hirsch wrote:
I agree with Bob, that is a rather important question, are the first releases going to be PFS season 11, PFS2 season 1?

It'd be very nice if PFS Season 11 was a thing (or PFS Year 11). Has there been even the remotest hint that might happen?

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Majuba wrote:
Sebastian Hirsch wrote:
I agree with Bob, that is a rather important question, are the first releases going to be PFS season 11, PFS2 season 1?
It'd be very nice if PFS Season 11 was a thing (or PFS Year 11). Has there been even the remotest hint that might happen?

What I meant was, is the next season under PF2 rules going to be a continuation of the last campaign, or are we starting fresh with a relatively clean break.

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Ferious Thune wrote:
TOZ wrote:
Ferious Thune wrote:
“Year of the Adamantine Greatsword” doesn’t count.
“Year of the Murderhobo”
But... that’s every year.

#Facts

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Sebastian Hirsch wrote:
Majuba wrote:
Sebastian Hirsch wrote:
I agree with Bob, that is a rather important question, are the first releases going to be PFS season 11, PFS2 season 1?
It'd be very nice if PFS Season 11 was a thing (or PFS Year 11). Has there been even the remotest hint that might happen?
What I meant was, is the next season under PF2 rules going to be a continuation of the last campaign, or are we starting fresh with a relatively clean break.

Story wise everything moves forward in the setting and PF2 takes place after PF1 material AFAIK

Scarab Sages ****

I don’t remember when the blog was, but the was a blog that answered that. PFS2 is a continuation of the story with the world updated based on events of the last 10 years. That’s part of why so many plot threads are coming back this season, so that the shape of the story going forward can be determined (faction heads, for example). The season or year or whatever number will restart at 1.

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Yeah, that's what I thought, I just couldn't find the actual post to link and claim it was factual vs my headcanon hehe.

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