Announcing the Regional Support Program!

Tuesday, February 13, 2017

Happy Monday! Reading over social media posts, it looks like Pathfinder Society events last weekend went wonderfully and those that attended them had a great time! OwlCon in Houston, Texas, saw a return of the Skeleton Moon, run by designer and honorary PFS Team member Stephen Radney-McFarland. No deaths, but some difficult combat and a few sticky situations. From all accounts, LodgeCon was successful as well and many people enjoyed playing PFS in Illinois this weekend.

Last spring, we rolled out a Game Day initiative for the Pathfinder Society Roleplaying Guild. Our intention was to respond to player requests for boons outside of conventions, for those that could not afford time or money to attend a show. From the outset, the program had issues. From it's unfortunate name, which was already being used to refer to a one day function where Pathfinder Society was played, to the convoluted system of goals and rewards, the Game Day initiative caused more headaches than it solved.

We went back to the drawing board and discussed the issue quite a bit. As a result, we changed the name to Regional Support Program (RSP), which better describes the program, and overhauled the requirements. What emerged is sleek and simple, aimed at maximizing the programs reach while keeping administration to a minimum.

This time the Regional Venture-Coordinators will oversee the program. Any location running public games may apply for RSP event status, provided they have a venture-officer associated with the location. The venture-officer may be any rank, from agent to regional coordinator. Once the RVC receives the information necessary to log the event, such as location, organizer, dates, and number of sessions, the RVC will update the log form and will send the package of boons and cards out to the organizer. The overseeing venture-officer will advertise the event as a RSP event, so that players and GMs know if events are participating or not.

As a RSP event, the overseeing venture-officer receives a package of player boons to distribute to the players, as well as a GM boon. Each venue determines their method of player boon distribution and provides that information to players. The basic criterion is that a player has a 10% chance per game played of earning a boon. For the GMs, they have a tiered boon three levels of rewards. If a GM runs 6 games at qualifying events, they earn Reward A. If they GM 12 games at qualifying locations, they earn Reward B. If they GM 24 games at qualifying events over the course of the year, they earn Reward C.

The portability of the program becomes an asset. GMs count games run at any advertised RSP event towards their total, but may only earn one check box per game ran. Our graphic designer, Emily, made a fantastic tracking card that the GM may slip into their wallet and carry with them. Thus they are always ready to chart their progress and work towards their chronicle.

The full policy is posted on the Pathfinder Society policies page. Any questions should be directed to your local venture-officer. If you would like to have the RSP program in your area but do not have a local venture-officer, consider joining the ranks of volunteers. To do this, contact your Regional Venture-Coordinator (you can find a listing of regions and their respective RVCs here).

I'm off for San Ramon on Thursday, to visit the lovely Bay Area Pathfinder Society Lodge and attend DunDra Con. While there, my plans include running a few games, playing a few games, and hanging out with fantastic people. If you're in the area and don't have anything planned, consider coming out and joining in on some games. Information for the con is on their website.

With February being a short month, scenario release is almost upon us. Join us next week for John's sneak peek at February's scenarios!

Until then—Explore, Report, Cooperate!

Tonya Woldridge
Organized Play Coordinator

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Roy Lewis wrote:
Now my emerald spire question personally I think the GM should get 1 punch per level. While my VC said something since it counts as two tables the GM running it should get 2 punches. Since I'm the one running Emerald spire I could Care less about the count since I run enough tables as is but would like a good answering case someone else decides to run it later

I also think Thornkeep and Emerald Spire should be worth 1 punch per level.

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Steven Schopmeyer wrote:


I also think Thornkeep and Emerald Spire should be worth 1 punch per level.

they should also be worth 1 xp but if we're going to let the players rocket through I don't see the point in having emerald spire be discounted for this one purpose and not others.

Grand Lodge 4/5

Mostly because we already have a variance in credit for standalone modules. You get the same XP from 32 and 64 page modules, but they count for different credits toward the GM boon.

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Steven Schopmeyer wrote:
Mostly because we already have a variance in credit for standalone modules. You get the same XP from 32 and 64 page modules, but they count for different credits toward the GM boon.

eh? Crypt of the everflame is 32 pages it's 3 xp

Down the blighted path is 64 pages, its 9 xp.

Grand Lodge 4/5

So you don't punch the card for each level ran? How does that work when only earning one chronicle?

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• 1 box for 4 hours of quests, a scenario, or a 16-page module
• 2 boxes for a 32-page module
• 3 boxes for a sanctioned Adventure Path volume (run in any mode)
• 4 boxes for an entire 64-page module

how many pages are most emerald spires?

Grand Lodge 4/5

8 pages. (All of them are.) So if it takes 4 hours to run them, they should get 1 block. Checking Thornkeep, all of those are also 8 pages.

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Didn't know they were THAT short. yeah, 1 box seems reasonable.

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Of course, I generally don't see the 64 page modules and APs run at locations that are approved for the RSP. Those tend to be more home/online run. If online play gets access to RSP packages, that is when the clarity will really be needed.

Grand Lodge 4/5

So, here's a question then. What do the Goblins and Fallen Fortress modules count as? They're all 16 page modules, but they're only worth 1 XP /1 PP each. How many punches do those get?

Grand Lodge 4/5

Looking at the list, they seem to be covered on the first option, so 1 block per run.

Grand Lodge 4/5

Steven Schopmeyer wrote:
Looking at the list, they seem to be covered on the first option, so 1 block per run.

That's good. Wasn't sure because they give so few XP and PP.

Grand Lodge 5/5

re: roll-offs: GMs count as players as far as the boon roll-offs go. Everyone rolls. It's no different from a CON in that regard.

Grand Lodge 4/5

HoloGnome PFS wrote:
re: roll-offs: GMs count as players as far as the boon roll-offs go. Everyone rolls. It's no different from a CON in that regard.

Our cons didn't allow that. The GMs had their own, and the players rolled off for theirs. GMs were't allowed the chance to get two boons at the same game.

Grand Lodge 4/5

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Every support request I have received has come with the guidance of "10% chance to win a boon per person". If GMs are not considered people, it would be nice to know. :)

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Steven Schopmeyer wrote:
Every support request I have received has come with the guidance of "10% chance to win a boon per person". If GMs are not considered people, it would be nice to know. :)

I think GMS are death dice rolling robots.

Grand Lodge 4/5

Roy Lewis wrote:
Steven Schopmeyer wrote:
Every support request I have received has come with the guidance of "10% chance to win a boon per person". If GMs are not considered people, it would be nice to know. :)
I think GMS are death dice rolling robots.

Funny enough, my players find me to be the exception to that rule. Four stars without a single character death.

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GM Cody wrote:

It'll be interesting to see how this is applied to online play.

I almost exclusively GM and play Online Games.

I'm also interested in finding out if Online will count for this

Grand Lodge 5/5

I'm still very surprised that there is any variation on the 2 points up for discussion, since they seem like common sense to me.

In the SF Bay Area (and hopefully elsewhere), CON and RSP roll-offs and credit operate as follows:

CON and RSP 10% Table Roll-Offs: Everyone at the table rolls for 10% boons, including GMs, whether at a CON, in a store, on a train, in a boat, etc. If you're lucky enough to GM at PaizoCon or GENCON, then everyone at the table gets a token (2 per boon) at each game, including the GM. In short, if GMs are being denied the opportunity to roll for any 10% table boon (CON or RSP), then, IMO, they should escalate for clarification.

RSP Table Credit: The point of this program is to encourage and reward GM and player participation at local game stores. If local venture staff are denying the obvious +1 credit to GMs for running 8-page module levels from Emerald Spire and Thornkeep that easily take a full session, then, logically, their actions are somewhat counter to the very positive intent of the program. Again, IMO, the affected GMs should escalate for clarification.

Paizo - if you could nip these issues in the bud with a brief clarification on both points, it would be extremely helpful in synchronizing VO efforts for the new RSP program (and also with respect to roll-offs at CONs) and help ensure that GMs are being rewarded consistently and fairly across the board for their ongoing support for PFS. Thanks!

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remember that places that use the RSP are the places where convention standard opperating procedures (*conon sense?) are least known. Some cons hand out player boons to dms some don't.

Grand Lodge 5/5

BigNorseWolf wrote:

remember that places that use the RSP are the places where convention standard opperating procedures (*conon sense?) are least known. Some cons hand out player boons to dms some don't.

I understand, but, hopefully, this discussion will help to eliminate the variation (which seems to be counter to the intended policies, as least as far as the VOs in my area understand them).

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Is this up and running anywhere yet? It seems all of the applications in my area were denied.

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It is up and running at most of the Bay Area shops.

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medtec28 wrote:
Is this up and running anywhere yet? It seems all of the applications in my area were denied.

We ad hocced something together for this month, but i'm the head cat herder for our venue and got the regional support package while sleeping overnight in the port authority to get to a convention. Lasts weeks session was delayed for this week so we could accommodate someone coming home from spring break (you know it's a small venue where you can move the game for one person...)

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I got the paperwork in through my RVC for nine locations and an event, and my ever so efficient RVC had the lot back to us approved and good to go in about 24 hours.

Grand Lodge 5/5

I run it as indicated above at the 3 stores I coordinate and, as Kate said, most other stores in our area are also RSP-enabled and should follow the same plan as confirmed by our VCs. Also, kudos to our RVC who was super-fast on the approval/setup side.

Grand Lodge 4/5

Phoenix also had RSP support within 24 hours of request submission, and launched on March 1st. I've received reports that our first GM incentive tier will be earned this Saturday.

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Yeah less then 24 hours of sending the request for the RSP stuff our RVC hand the info in my hand. I was not expecting such fast turn around since I sent the request in on a Saturday.

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The Venture officers are ironing out the details in the Netherlands. I just hope the games I ran since February are included in the program.

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My site and several others in the Southeast area have been approved for the program, but we have not received boons. Our RVC indicated that there are revisions in progress but has not received an estimated delivery date. I, too, would like to know if we can include games run since our approval date (3/10) in the program once the boons are finalized. Thanks.

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Just received an update from my RVC that our GM boons are good to go, just waiting on player boons now. Yay!

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Steven Schopmeyer wrote:
Of course, I generally don't see the 64 page modules and APs run at locations that are approved for the RSP. Those tend to be more home/online run. If online play gets access to RSP packages, that is when the clarity will really be needed.

Speak for yourself. We do mix those into our weekly game days here at the local store. They just have a big note on the Warhorn signup about needing to commit to playing multiple weeks in a row.

kevin_video wrote:
Roy Lewis wrote:
Steven Schopmeyer wrote:
Every support request I have received has come with the guidance of "10% chance to win a boon per person". If GMs are not considered people, it would be nice to know. :)
I think GMS are death dice rolling robots.
Funny enough, my players find me to be the exception to that rule. Four stars without a single character death.

You've never run The Dalsine Affair, have you? I'm over 80 tables run, with only 4 PC deaths, and two of them were in my three runs of Dalsine Affair.

Grand Lodge 4/5

Fromper wrote:
Speak for yourself.

I did! :D We had one GM give The Dragon's Demand a go of it at our Sunday store, but it was poorly attended and I'm not sure how well it ran.

Severing Ties used to be my high kill, alongside Quest for Perfection 1, but I have a greater than 50% rate in Beyond Azlant Ridge right now.

Grand Lodge 4/5

Fromper wrote:
You've never run The Dalsine Affair, have you? I'm over 80 tables run, with only 4 PC deaths, and two of them were in my three runs of Dalsine Affair.

No, I don't believe I've done that one. It's been ran though. We haven't got enough new players yet to do it again. Maybe we could do it Core at some point as no one's ran that version yet.

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kevin_video wrote:
Roy Lewis wrote:
Steven Schopmeyer wrote:
Every support request I have received has come with the guidance of "10% chance to win a boon per person". If GMs are not considered people, it would be nice to know. :)
I think GMS are death dice rolling robots.
Funny enough, my players find me to be the exception to that rule. Four stars without a single character death.

I'll just leave this here...

Grand Lodge 4/5

Walter Sheppard wrote:
kevin_video wrote:
Roy Lewis wrote:
Steven Schopmeyer wrote:
Every support request I have received has come with the guidance of "10% chance to win a boon per person". If GMs are not considered people, it would be nice to know. :)
I think GMS are death dice rolling robots.
Funny enough, my players find me to be the exception to that rule. Four stars without a single character death.
I'll just leave this here...

My players have been lucky that I just roll poorly vs. their AC.

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BigNorseWolf wrote:
medtec28 wrote:
Is this up and running anywhere yet? It seems all of the applications in my area were denied.
We ad hocced something together for this month, but i'm the head cat herder for our venue and got the regional support package while sleeping overnight in the port authority to get to a convention. Lasts weeks session was delayed for this week so we could accommodate someone coming home from spring break (you know it's a small venue where you can move the game for one person...)

The official word we got was that our game is "Too well established", so it doesn't warrant support because it isn't likely to generate new players anyway.

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medtec28 wrote:


The official word we got was that our game is "Too well established", so it doesn't warrant support because it isn't likely to generate new players anyway.

*backfoot headscratch*

1) keeping the place running helps too: more dms= less burnout= keeping the place going.

2) People do join well established groups, i think half of our new people have just walked in as we were setting up shop.

3) Most of those con DM's they're always looking for get their feet wet as store DMs.

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medtec28 wrote:
The official word we got was that our game is "Too well established", so it doesn't warrant support because it isn't likely to generate new players anyway.

Wow. Just wow.

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Shifty wrote:
medtec28 wrote:
The official word we got was that our game is "Too well established", so it doesn't warrant support because it isn't likely to generate new players anyway.

Wow. Just wow.

I am flabbergasted.

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medtec28 wrote:


The official word we got was that our game is "Too well established", so it doesn't warrant support because it isn't likely to generate new players anyway.

Wow we get 6-8 tables a week and still got cleared it helps because we see a lot of new GM volunteers now. its nice to say I don't know actually play something.

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BigNorseWolf wrote:
medtec28 wrote:


The official word we got was that our game is "Too well established", so it doesn't warrant support because it isn't likely to generate new players anyway.

*backfoot headscratch*

1) keeping the place running helps too: more dms= less burnout= keeping the place going.

2) People do join well established groups, i think half of our new people have just walked in as we were setting up shop.

3) Most of those con DM's they're always looking for get their feet wet as store DMs.

Well, RVC says no, so, no support for us. Nothing to do about it, no sense whining about it.

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medtec28 wrote:


Well, RVC says no, so, no support for us. Nothing to do about it, no sense whining about it.

LOL, I'd go the full Galt personally.

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medtec28 wrote:


Well, RVC says no, so, no support for us. Nothing to do about it, no sense whining about it.

wait, there is another...

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medtec28 wrote:
Well, RVC says no, so, no support for us. Nothing to do about it, no sense whining about it.

The PFS volunteer leadership is a hierarchy to extends to Tonya. I assume that you have already expressed your concerns to the RVC and failed to get a response that appeased you. In that case, you should escalate the situation to Tonya for review. That is how our system is built to function. Course, that does not mean she will over-turn the RVC's decision, but if you feel strongly about it, a brief email is not an undue burden. Good luck and Explore, Report, Cooperate!

The Exchange 3/5

BigNorseWolf wrote:
medtec28 wrote:


Well, RVC says no, so, no support for us. Nothing to do about it, no sense whining about it.

wait, there is another...

Seeing as she runs the program..

Too well established for support sounds crazy to me.

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too well established? the blog talks about the purpose being to have some kind of boon access to those who can't afford or access cons

to me that doesn't indicate any criteria on how big or regular your group is

in fact the program works worse for small less regular groups - no GM is likely to get 24 sessions in when there are only 24 gamedays in the entire year, and if they tried that would be 50-75% of all GMing slots, kind of problematic

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plaidwandering wrote:

in fact the program works worse for small less regular groups - no GM is likely to get 24 sessions in when there are only 24 gamedays in the entire year, and if they tried that would be 50-75% of all GMing slots, kind of problematic

With a 5 hour module night or three I might hit that or come close but you're right. That would be running every planned game for a year here, which... is something I think small groups are better off avoiding. That might be something to try to get them to tweak next year.

Mostly I'm hoping the low(er) hanging fruit of 12 games for a skinwalker gets me a little consistency in someone for a second table.

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BigNorseWolf wrote:


Mostly I'm hoping the low(er) hanging fruit of 12 games for a skinwalker gets me a little consistency in someone for a second table.

That seems to be the benchmark that my local VA's seem to be aiming at. I'm keen to avoid people burning out or overextending, and also keen for more people to have a go at GMing. One of my lovely VA's has established a new GM Farm that seems to be progressing well, and hopefully in the long term sets us up with a robust and healthy group of GM's.

The Program was just extra gravy that they are really interested in.

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There's no such thing as "too well established." Every campaign, organized or otherwise, suffers the effects of aging, attrition and collapse, or abandonment for something new, especially those that are "too well-established." So, the smart approach is to provide incentives, evangelize the campaign, foster increased education and participation through multiple channels and not put any barriers in the way of fun or even campaign consistency with respect to cool incentive programs.

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