The Most Intriguing Classes

So, there are pictures mentioned at several placed in this interview. ... I don't see them. I see a Mesmerist picture and a Warlock picture, but not a Magical Child and Dandy as the text suggests.

My hope for ninja archetype is still alive as unlikely as that is <_<

That being said, all archetypes mentioned sound amazing :D

We opted for some different art than what was originally selected—references have been removed in the blog text. :)

The choice to make a gray paladin is interesting. From a design standpoint, I think it's neat in terms of being a more nuanced paladin, but recognizing that nuance is not a part of a paladin's strength.

I'm excited to see how I can update my avenger, but almost all of this sounds really... intriguing. ;D

You guys lost me with this book, but now you're pulling me back in! Sounds pretty awesome!

Oh, for the ability to embed a "Shut up and take my gold pieces!" meme image...

Oh god Battle Scion has me all in the vapors.

I had planned to get the book, but now I would buy it for sure, only for that magical girl archetype. Now I feel the hype. ^^

Now I just need a Chaotic Good Paladin archetype (assuming one does not already exists) and I'll be happy.

"The brute has a hulking out-of control vigilante identity, and he can’t always stop the transformation when he’s in danger...
...The magical child archetype covers the “magical girl” trope, with a transformation sequence ability (faster switch between identities, but with flashy lights and music), summoner spells, and an otherworldly buddy."

Been wanting this book since the vigilante was announced as part of it, but these few lines of text are making the wait almost PAINFUL...

Oh god Battle Scion has me all in the vapors.

The battle scion's "Once and Future Scion" power is indeed pretty cool. Hmm, I wonder who that other archetype with the "Skald of Twists and Turns" power could be based off? :D

Oh man! This blog and new Captain America trailer today makes me wanna get playing my vigilante again soon. Can't wait to get the book!

Corbynsonn wrote:

Oh god Battle Scion has me all in the vapors.

The battle scion's "Once and Future Scion" power is indeed pretty cool. Hmm, I wonder who that other archetype with the "Skald of Twists and Turns" power could be based off? :D

Stop teasing damn you. :D

Still, book is a guarantee for me.

I can have my own theme song? And all I have to do is transform into a magical girl? SIGN ME UP!

This has almost everything my play group has wanted in a long time. Instantbuy.

A MAGICAL GIRL ARCHETYPE

My soul is full of joy!

Time to write up that 40 year old man Magical Girl character I've been wanting...

Man, I hope my subscription ships next week instead of the week after...definitely looking forward to some of these, they sound quite...intriguing...

Most interested in the brute, cabalist, magical child, warlock for vigilante, and the fey caller, feyspeaker, vizier, and zeitgeist binder for the other archetypes...and looking forward to the new oracle mystery and kineticist wild talents...

Now, we'll have to wait and see if I need the new blog post next week to see what new feats or spells might be of interest or not.

I will make a contract and become a magical girl!

For some reason, the two archetypes I find most intriguing are the fey caller (presumably an update of the First World Summoner to the Unchained version of the summoner) and the feyspeaker (since I prefer to play spontaneous casters and thus had no good druidic options until now).

By the way: The magical child archetype is not actually a child (as in, using some variant of the Young Character rules from Ultimate Campaign), right?

Rogue Talent for a Stalker Talent? Praise the sun!

I'll just leave a whole dollar bill here...If this book happens to find its way into my downloads through a "glitch" then I'll just keep that to myself. You enjoy that dollar.

Rogue Talent for a Stalker Talent? Praise the sun!

It's a once-only advanced talent with other limitations, but yep, it's in there!

Also...lawful neutral gray paladins of Asmodeus?

It only took a few minutes for someone in our group to suggest running an AP or mega-module for a team of only magical girls and boys. I so look forward to this.

Also...lawful neutral gray paladins of Asmodeus?

Nope, she must still follow a lawful good, neutral good, or lawful neutral deity.

I remember running the Spice Girls (five bards and skalds) at last year's Gen Con. Anyone want to bet that the Sailor Moon and her friends show up to this year's Gen Con?

Luthorne wrote:

Also...lawful neutral gray paladins of Asmodeus?

Nope, she must still follow a lawful good, neutral good, or lawful neutral deity.

Aww, no paladins of Cayden either...so sad. Ah, well.

Xethik wrote:

Rogue Talent for a Stalker Talent? Praise the sun!

It's a once-only advanced talent with other limitations, but yep, it's in there!

I was figuring as much. Still, I remember some great Stalker talents in the beta and thinking it was a shame Rogue could not access them.

Really awesome to have the option to snag one of these without dipping.

Thanks for the Rogue love! My only concern is this not having a clause making it available to Unchained Rogue. Say it ain't so Mark! I want to sleep easy tonight.

I was iffy about this book for a while. This post has made me unreasonably excited. The amount of archetypes and details with the class shows that Paizo continues to listen to the players. If only Paizo would release the Harrow-based medium.

Mark Seifter wrote:

Xethik wrote:

Rogue Talent for a Stalker Talent? Praise the sun!

It's a once-only advanced talent with other limitations, but yep, it's in there!

I was figuring as much. Still, I remember some great Stalker talents in the beta and thinking it was a shame Rogue could not access them.

Really awesome to have the option to snag one of these without dipping.

Thanks for the Rogue love! My only concern is this not having a clause making it available to Unchained Rogue. Say it ain't so Mark! I want to sleep easy tonight.

They are only for Unchained rogues (it says to consider allowing them for regular rogues) but not for any other class or alternate class that can gain access to rogue talents.

Hi Mark

I always love to see a new cleric archetype (especially if its clothy!)..... but the description for this one has me concerned:

"Cardinal (a politics-heavy cleric with 6 skill points per level)"

This description combined with the book subject matter obviously strikes me as an archetype with a heavy emphasis on skill points, skill ranks, discussion and debate.... not at all IMO the areas where the cleric needs help/directing. Hope I’m mistaken and not jumping the gun (apologies if I am)!

As demo'd by the Herald Caller - 4 pts/level is absolutely fine when it is allied to abilities that provide a useful impact in other areas. Conversely, the Cloistered Cleric is an excellent example of emphasis in an unnecessary area combined with neglect in others.

I’ve always felt that too many cleric archetypes don’t provide a really different ‘flavour’ or the concept is great but the execution is lacking.

Hope you understand where I’m coming from! Really looking forward to seeing the Vigilante in its full Batman glory!! ;))

Hm, Feyspeaker Druid Archetype sounds interesting to me, an aspect of Druids that appealed to me,
but not well served by their standard options which emphasize beatstick companion, beatstick shapechange, beatstick summons.
Domain spells + Spontaneous Casting would help spell diversity, and hopefully other abilities synergize as well,
to create a more caster-y-, skill-y less beatstick focus class...
Would that also come with Familiar built in instead of Companion?
I'm willing to give up medium armor etc, no problem... :-)

My Ravindork's Crazy Character Emporium thread features tyrant, cardinal, and vizier characters already. I will be looking very closely at these archetypes to see if they will be a better fit for said characters' concepts.

So very excited.

Can I have CG warforged Paladin of Sex who follows Nyarlathotep? ;)

Hi Mark

I always love to see a new cleric archetype (especially if its clothy!)..... but the description for this one has me concerned:

"Cardinal (a politics-heavy cleric with 6 skill points per level)"

This description combined with the book subject matter obviously strikes me as an archetype with a heavy emphasis on skill points, skill ranks, discussion and debate.... not at all IMO the areas where the cleric needs help/directing. Hope I’m mistaken and not jumping the gun (apologies if I am)!

As demo'd by the Herald Caller - 4 pts/level is absolutely fine when it is allied to abilities that provide a useful impact in other areas. Conversely, the Cloistered Cleric is an excellent example of emphasis in an unnecessary area combined with neglect in others.

I’ve always felt that too many cleric archetypes don’t provide a really different ‘flavour’ or the concept is great but the execution is lacking.

Hope you understand where I’m coming from! Really looking forward to seeing the Vigilante in its full Batman glory!! ;))

I think that with the books two weeks away, any suggestions as to changing its content are way too late.

A "Hulk" vigilante, an Arthurian Skald, a skill focused Cleric, a political mastermind Mesmerist, a Lawful Evil Antipaladin... Paizo, my birthday's not until April!

Xethik wrote:

Mark Seifter wrote:

Xethik wrote:

Rogue Talent for a Stalker Talent? Praise the sun!

It's a once-only advanced talent with other limitations, but yep, it's in there!

I was figuring as much. Still, I remember some great Stalker talents in the beta and thinking it was a shame Rogue could not access them.

Really awesome to have the option to snag one of these without dipping.

Thanks for the Rogue love! My only concern is this not having a clause making it available to Unchained Rogue. Say it ain't so Mark! I want to sleep easy tonight.

They are only for Unchained rogues (it says to consider allowing them for regular rogues) but not for any other class or alternate class that can gain access to rogue talents.

Oh, huh. Now I'm curious what the other limitations are and if they somehow relate to Unchained Rogue specific-abilities, but I can be patient.

I can't tell if your recent comments regarding Ninjas were because your mind was on the topic of alternate classes writing this material or if that is just coincidence.

Anyways, I can celebrate URogue love even if there isn't Ninja love! Still have my fingers crossed for a Ninja archetype in the book, though.

Mounted furies are mounted vigilantes like Zorro whose steeds also have a secret identity.

... What?

Wow so many awesome sounding archetypes.

I am a little disappointed that the magical child archetype uses the summoner spell list. I was hoping for healings spells and some purification and holy spells on there spell list.

This page wrote:

Mounted furies are mounted vigilantes like Zorro whose steeds also have a secret identity.

... What?

He-Man and Battle Cat.

Ah, a way to build Cardinal Richelieu! Excellent!

My Self wrote:

This page wrote:

Mounted furies are mounted vigilantes like Zorro whose steeds also have a secret identity.

... What?

He-Man and Battle Cat.

She-Ra and Swift Wind.

Also, Ace and Gary

The fey speaker and the fey caller sound awesome.

Also some new kineticist utility powers, an intrigue oracle mystery, and some new rogue talents.

Plus a paladin archetype that lets you be less rigid in your alignment.

So the grey guard can't be chaotic good then?

Cardinals, Viziers and Dandies.

As if court wasn't dangerous already.

Ah, a way to build Cardinal Richelieu! Excellent!

"Yeess, exactly as planned." *rubs hands together*

Viziers will be the most common BBEG very soon. Never neglect your Will Save.

A "Hulk" vigilante, an Arthurian Skald, a skill focused Cleric, a political mastermind Mesmerist, a Lawful Evil Antipaladin... Paizo, my birthday's not until April!

To be fair, UI was originally supposed to come out in April, so...

I think that with the books two weeks away, any suggestions as to changing its content are way too late.

I wasnt suggesting last minute changes merely expressing hopes and fears!!

Stalker Talent for Rogue Talent....please oh please tell me that the Sniper talent is the same as the playtest version; it is a perfect fit for my new Eldritch Scoundrel character....