Pull Up a Stool (The Rusty Dragon Inn Debrief)

Friday, January 15, 2016

The Rusty Dragon Inn set of prepainted plastic Pathfinder Battles fantasy gaming figures is officially out and available in the wild! You can pick them up from your local retailer order the figures by case or brick, or select your favorites from the list of singles available from the set. I've been hearing from folks with an Ongoing Case Subscription that subscriber cases have begun to arrive, and as you're all opening your minis or deciding which ones to get, I'd like to take a moment to look at the set as a whole and share some of my thoughts about how it came together, and how it turned out.

I've always wanted to do a Pathfinder Battles set themed around a tavern. Most of my own campaigns tend to spend a lot of time in the city, and player characters can't help but get themselves into trouble when they're visiting the local watering hole. Paizo's tavern-themed Flip-Mats almost always sell out soon after we print them, proving that I'm not the only one who says "roll initiative" as often as "what'll you have?" when my player characters enter the tavern.

When we announced The Rusty Dragon Inn set several months ago, I knew that some folks would be concerned that the set was too NPC-heavy, so I made sure to include as many cool monsters as I possibly could, with a slight bias toward creatures I thought worked well in an urban environment (namely, ghouls). We also had a few hold-overs originally intended for earlier sets, like Zilvazaraat, the Large Silver Dragon, and the Gorgon. And, perhaps most importantly, the set gave us a chance to execute an idea I've been kicking around with WizKids for a long time—doing a major terrain piece as a special limited edition "case incentive" figure, in this case the Tavern Bar. Add to this the continuing experiment with dungeon dressing and my first chance to include things like the Cart and Large Cart, and you've got a set I've been excited about for a long, long time. It's finally here, and here are some of my own thoughts from along the way, and especially from opening my own personal case last weekend.

Dungeon Dressing

I'm thrilled with how the dungeon dressing came out for The Rusty Dragon Inn. From a gamer perspective, like a lot of you, I'd prefer more tables, crates, and barrels than are included in a single case, but I'm also sensitive to folks who don't enjoy their monster or NPC figures being swapped out for a piece of furniture. Demand for these pieces is extremely high (I think they all sold out within a couple of days of our first singles release batch), and that's a factor we will continue to weigh with WizKids to determine the best mix in future releases. The next set also contains a bunch of cool dungeon dressing pieces, and I'm eager for you to get a look at them. Beyond that, anything is possible. Please leave a note in the comments with suggestions of additional pieces of dungeon dressing you'd like to see in future sets.

Singles Sales

Singles from The Rusty Dragon Inn have sold incredibly well, with 14 figures already out of stock on paizo.com within the first week of the set's release. That's a phenomenal show of support for the set, and I think it probably bodes well for the overall sales we're expecting to see this time around. We know that the new paizo.com sales strategy for singles (ending sales at the end of the month) caused some alarm with subscribers who did not have their case to know what they might want or need before high-demand singles started vanishing from the site, and I've had a chat with our warehouse and web store team, and I'm confident that we will be releasing at least one more "wave" of singles before the end of the month, timed after we believe most subscribers will have received their cases. Watch this space very closely in the coming weeks for an announcement when this next batch goes on sale. We'll do the best we can to make sure that if you want a single from this set, you'll have a good chance of getting it, so long as you act quickly.

Rusty Dragon Flip-Mat?

In recent comment threads regarding the set, I've seen a lot of suggestions that we release a Rusty Dragon Inn Flip-Mat scaled to the Tavern Bar case incentive and designed for optimal use with the set. I think that's a fantastic idea, and I'm relatively confident that we'll do it—eventually. The actual size and contents of the Tavern Bar set were in flux until very late in the game, and I want to be able to match the scale on this stuff exactly so that everything fits the way it should. Suffice it to say, this is very likely coming, but probably not as rapidly as you might like it to. A good idea is worth taking the time to do right.

Overall Impressions

I'm thrilled with this set overall. As usual when you crack a case, some elements of rarity choices become more clear in your hand and on your table than they did in your head. Had I a chance to do it again, I might move the Bunyip to uncommon, for example, but that's really just a quibble. The paint jobs on the rares are remarkable (especially Allevrah, Elf General), and overall I think the factory did a good job, even on the faces (which is one of the toughest aspects of making these miniatures). I'm really happy with a lot of the figure and rarity choices, and I'm eager to use these figures on the table. I've already used the Half-Elf Enchanter as a conductor leading a little band of a Half-Elf Bard, a small circle of Dwarf Bard drummers, and three Dancing Girls. That's an encounter right there. I love it when random collections of figures from a single set fit so well together.

So, what do you think of the set? What are your favorite figures? Where do you think we could have done a better job? And, as always, what else would you like to see in future sets?

Let's debrief The Rusty Dragon Inn in comments!

I'll bring the beer.

Until next time, I remain...

Erik Mona
Publisher

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Hobbun wrote:

I’ve only opened up one brick yet of my first case, but part of that brick was the super booster (King Ivoretti and Feiya). The king looks great, but Feiya is leaning forward around 30-35 degrees. Is this normal for this mini?

And it’s not like she’s off the base, her feet are planted firmly and actually trying to bend her back doesn’t even work as her robe blocks doing that (there is no gap between robe and base).

My other issue is the Aristrocrat. He is painted just fine, but his cane is quite deformed. Both the top and bottom portions (either side of hand) are bent back. My experience is when something like that happens is I can bend it back, but it won’t stay.

I use a hot air gun (hair dryer might work too) to warm up the bend bits and then they stay put.

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arbados wrote:

Still waiting for my set, but moving forward I would suggest terrain pieces that are only needed in limited supply. This way when we get 1 of each we are satisfied and not longing for more (I know this may not line up with your sales perspective). A nice brazier, altar, fireplace would all be welcome. Things like beds are needed in such supply that it can be frustrating.

I really think a fey set is the way to go! There are so many cool fey creature (good and evil) that need to be done. Whose game hasn't traveled through the forest and just thought of the fairy folk taking control! Fun, fun, fun! However, I can't diminish the want and desire for devil minis! I have enough demons, but would love some more devils!

I haven't had my case shipped yet because my credit card had expired on the site (who remembers to update all sites that have your credit card info until they remind you - EZPass, stores, etc). So, I received an email the other day that I needed to update it. All good. However, when I went to update it they asked for an almost $20 charge to re-update my credit card!!!! I've never heard of such a thing in my life so sent an email to customer service! That's ridiculous! I just started with my case subscription and this is what happens! When I saw the email I immediately went to update my credit card with the new expiration date, but when they said there was an almost $20 fee to do it I stopped and was quite bothered!

Erik, please tell me this additional $17+ charge is a mistake so I can get my case and continue my subscription!

Hello arbados,

There is no charge for authorizing the card. The order is going out in 2 separate packages but when the card is authorized it will only do so for one of them. It is trying to authorize the package with the case incentive. This isn't a new charge, it is the case incentive and its portion of the shipping. Once the order ships the authorization will be settled. A second authorization for the case and its portion of the shipping will be opened and settled right away when the case ships out. The total of your order remains the same, it's just broken into 2 charges because we charge for items when they are scanned out of the warehouse.

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A large round well with clear blue water at the bottom would be very useful.

I can also see a repaint "Runewell" version with green water.

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Eric, can we get small Dragon minis in the future?
There were some from D&D in the past but not from Pathfinder.

A small bronze, brass, gold, green or silver Dragon would be especially cool as they have never been made in pre-painted plastic.

On another note:
When can we expect the 2016 Paizo product catalogue now that it comes out twice a year?

Thx

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Marco Massoudi wrote:

Eric, can we get small Dragon minis in the future?

There were some from D&D in the past but not from Pathfinder.

A small bronze, brass, gold, green or silver Dragon would be especially cool as they have never been made in pre-painted plastic.

One of those does exist.

D&D wouldn't have done a Small Gold Dragon, as - like the Red Wyrmling from Giants of Legend - they started at Medium in 3.5. Of course, that's not the case in Pathfinder. Since the same is true of red dragons, you might want to add Small Red Dragon to your wishlist. ^_^


The Silver Dragon in this set is excellent! I'd take a huge, medium and small version of it any day!

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Kalindlara wrote:
Marco Massoudi wrote:

Eric, can we get small Dragon minis in the future?

There were some from D&D in the past but not from Pathfinder.

A small bronze, brass, gold, green or silver Dragon would be especially cool as they have never been made in pre-painted plastic.

One of those does exist.

D&D wouldn't have done a Small Gold Dragon, as - like the Red Wyrmling from Giants of Legend - they started at Medium in 3.5. Of course, that's not the case in Pathfinder. Since the same is true of red dragons, you might want to add Small Red Dragon to your wishlist. ^_^

You are absolutely right, Kalindlara!

I even own the Bronze Wyrmling.

But i want all 5 chromatics and all 5 metallic from Pathfinder Battles. ;-)

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Marco Massoudi wrote:
Kalindlara wrote:
Marco Massoudi wrote:

Eric, can we get small Dragon minis in the future?

There were some from D&D in the past but not from Pathfinder.

A small bronze, brass, gold, green or silver Dragon would be especially cool as they have never been made in pre-painted plastic.

One of those does exist.

D&D wouldn't have done a Small Gold Dragon, as - like the Red Wyrmling from Giants of Legend - they started at Medium in 3.5. Of course, that's not the case in Pathfinder. Since the same is true of red dragons, you might want to add Small Red Dragon to your wishlist. ^_^

You are absolutely right, Kalindlara!

I even own the Bronze Wyrmling.

But i want all 5 chromatics and all 5 metallic from Pathfinder Battles. ;-)

Fair enough. ^_^

I usually like the D&D versions better - Todd Lockwood's art was truly iconic. Plus, I've been a critic of the Gargantuan dragons in the past. All that said, I'd kind of like a Gargantuan Black Dragon done in the Pathfinder style.


The miniatures are numbered "of 45 right then where would #45 be I've got 1-44 but no 45 and no 45 for single sales what am I missing?

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matthew welch 881 wrote:
The miniatures are numbered "of 45 right then where would #45 be I've got 1-44 but no 45 and no 45 for single sales what am I missing?

I believe that the (un-numbered) Bar Case Incentive is #45. ^_^


And the dungeon dressing is 46+. Damn fuzzy math

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Kalindlara wrote:
Marco Massoudi wrote:
Kalindlara wrote:
Marco Massoudi wrote:

Eric, can we get small Dragon minis in the future?

There were some from D&D in the past but not from Pathfinder.

A small bronze, brass, gold, green or silver Dragon would be especially cool as they have never been made in pre-painted plastic.

One of those does exist.

D&D wouldn't have done a Small Gold Dragon, as - like the Red Wyrmling from Giants of Legend - they started at Medium in 3.5. Of course, that's not the case in Pathfinder. Since the same is true of red dragons, you might want to add Small Red Dragon to your wishlist. ^_^

You are absolutely right, Kalindlara!

I even own the Bronze Wyrmling.

But i want all 5 chromatics and all 5 metallic from Pathfinder Battles. ;-)

Fair enough. ^_^

I usually like the D&D versions better - Todd Lockwood's art was truly iconic. Plus, I've been a critic of the Gargantuan dragons in the past. All that said, I'd kind of like a Gargantuan Black Dragon done in the Pathfinder style.

I like both the Gargantuan and Colossal D&D Icons Dragons (have them all) as they look really massively imposing AND the Pathfinder Battles versions (which are much smaller but probably more accurate in growth relation to medium minis.

And of course the old versions are unavailable.
But i agree, the Lockwood design looks better.
Do you have the "flying" medium and large Dragons from the Icons of the Realms series 1-3? Most are really cool, especially the medium ones.

I am a little tired of the case incentive promo being dragons too, but they sell and the black dragon will probably be the last one for a longer time.
Eric said the Neothelid is being considered.
And the sucess of the BAR will make shure that we will see other building sets.
Personally i think a tower set with ground floor, second story and battlement roof would be doable and would sell well, especially if you can combine them for larger towers and a battlement/gatehouse set to build a city wall.
I would buy 4 of each.

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I have very few of the Icons of the Realms minis. I did get a Large Silver and a Large Copper, though. The only Gargantuan dragon I don't have is Icingdeath.

The Neothelid would be nice...

Shadow Lodge

Adventure Path Charter Subscriber; Pathfinder PF Special Edition Subscriber

Got my case. Very impressed. One case got me everything I need in the set with the exception of dressing pieces. Overall I think the quality and variety is fantastic. In hand I can say with 100% certainly that the online images do the figure absolutely no justice.

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I'm seeing more reports than usual of incomplete sets in cases. This might be a really disappointing set to see that no-singles policy start...


I was short one piece in Dungeons Deep. But out of six cases of PFB that is the only occurrence. Collation has been pretty good. And it keeps me coming back for more, knowing I'll only need to chase singles that I want in larger quantities.

I've been taking in hand pics and doing comparisons out on Plasticrypt. The pictures show how nice some of these minis really are.

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Kalindlara wrote:
I'm seeing more reports than usual of incomplete sets in cases. This might be a really disappointing set to see that no-singles policy start...

I haven't noticed any more than usual... and if you're referring to Cat-thulu's post above yours, I think his statement that he got "everything I need in the set with the exception of dressing pieces" didn't mean he didn't *get* at least one of each—I think it just meant that he wants more. (I'm sure he'll correct me if I'm wrong...)

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Vic Wertz wrote:
Kalindlara wrote:
I'm seeing more reports than usual of incomplete sets in cases. This might be a really disappointing set to see that no-singles policy start...
I haven't noticed any more than usual... and if you're referring to Cat-thulu's post above yours, I think his statement that he got "everything I need in the set with the exception of dressing pieces" didn't mean he didn't *get* at least one of each—I think it just meant that he wants more. (I'm sure he'll correct me if I'm wrong...)

I see. That makes more sense. ^_^

I haven't been counting reports or anything, so it might just be paranoia influencing my perception of things.

Thank you for your input on the matter!

Shadow Lodge

Adventure Path Charter Subscriber; Pathfinder PF Special Edition Subscriber

Spot on Vic. I got a complete set and one of each dressing, two of the crate and table (I think it was). I meant I want more of the dressings. In fact if I wanted to fill out the ranks I believe all I need really may be 2 or so bugbear lurkers, 2 or so cut purses. Other than that I don't really need any more.

In 10 sets to date, I think it 10 anyway, I've had one where I didn't get a complete set and that was dungeons deep. I got a terrible collation in that with duplicate bricks. Other than this I have had a complete set every time - sort of the ideal situation for a collector.

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Marco Massoudi wrote:

Eric said the Neothelid is being considered.

And the sucess of the BAR will make shure that we will see other building sets.
Personally i think a tower set with ground floor, second story and battlement roof would be doable and would sell well, especially if...

Personally I would love a Neothelid. Some of the art for this is amazing and could translate to a miniature that would look astounding.

I'm OK with a black dragon, I think it rounds out the PF scale gargantuan so nicely. Further dragons could appear since we have no metallics, I'd rather see sets of two huge to round out all size categories.

I think a tower is a fairly solid idea although I'd do it the other way around, battle at base and miniature for second third floor etc. in fact one set could do several floors with a hollow shell and terrain pieces. Include walls, doors, windows, stairs, trapdoors in the incentive and other furniture in the set it goes with. An incentive the size of the inn box would give us one square floor 6 x 6, and 2" high


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In terms of dungeon dressing requests, my biggest remains splitting them off into a line more akin to the iconic heroes. I appreciate such a decision is a long way off (if it ever eventuates) so in the meantime:

1. A levitating sword - a useful standin for spiritual weapon and dancing sword but I've seen a fair number of animated weapons in modules and I think this would get a lot of use (although perhaps I'm cheating and this just shows my bias... :p).

2. A campfire - I think this could be included in a pretty useful themed set of "life on the road" dungeon pieces: bedrolls, tents, a pile of provisions, backpacks, a pig on a spit, tethered horse, a Varisian wagon...Perhaps even something like a checkpoint/border crossing/barrier of some description as the incentive.

3. A pool

4. A throne

I don't know if it's fruitful to offer "votes against", but although I'd find stairs to be very frequent, I'm struggling to picture them being able to support minis - and without that, they're probably going to lose a lot of usability. So I guess I'm requesting "stairs you can put minis on" (somehow).

In a similar vein, I really hope the inclusion of dungeon dressing incentives is a rare thing. I appreciate the bar is popular - but the number of gargantuan figures being released is very small (especially given so many of the slots get taken up with dragons).

Shadow Lodge

Adventure Path Charter Subscriber; Pathfinder PF Special Edition Subscriber

1 in 10 so far, I could go 1 in 5 sets. I agree with you Steve there are way too many gargantuans that need doing, I could list 15-20 I desperately want to see in plastic without resorting to books.

Stairs could be hollowed on the risers to allow minis to slot into them. Having thought about it I'm starting to agree they may not be the best, especially since you can actually get pretty good thick card stock for stairs.


Cat-thulhu wrote:
1 in 10 so far, I could go 1 in 5 sets. I agree with you Steve there are way too many gargantuans that need doing, I could list 15-20 I desperately want to see in plastic without resorting to books.

My personal line of "seems reasonable"-ness is 1 in 4 I think.

I'm worried that, given the apparent success of the bar, Wizkids will shift towards favoring them over the more niche gargantuans.


I picked up some more from my FLGS and still haven't had any broken or problems in 12-16 boosters (I've lost count. They are addictive!). I can say that if I never see another Bugbear Mystic it will be too soon .. they ought to be rated as Super Common. Other than that, I've gotten 1 crate and none of the other dressing pieces. Still, I have to say for the most part I've liked what all I've gotten.


Just opened my case. Complete set, no breakages. 2 Beds and 2 Barrels, which is probably a good result.

There were a few odd choices for rarity, but that's par for the course - no doubt there's competing priorities: 'things that are easy to paint' should be common and 'things we don't need many of' should be rare. Making a bunyip difficult to place.


I would love to see a set of blind bags, similar to "we be goblins" so that we can get just dungeon dressing pieces.

the bar sections and the back of the bar witht he shelves, make for a great part of a shopkeepers shop.

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The LingSter wrote:

I would love to see a set of blind bags, similar to "we be goblins" so that we can get just dungeon dressing pieces.

the bar sections and the back of the bar witht he shelves, make for a great part of a shopkeepers shop.

While this would be cool (I bought cases of both the Goblin and Undead sets), those sets had underwhelming sales.

If you want dungeon dressing as a separate product, whether in mini-boosters or in preset kits, everyone needs to keep showing Paizo and WizKids that this isn't just a vocal minority, and that dungeon dressing can carry its own product line.

That's my advice, anyway. ^_^

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knightnday wrote:
I picked up some more from my FLGS and still haven't had any broken or problems in 12-16 boosters (I've lost count. They are addictive!). I can say that if I never see another Bugbear Mystic it will be too soon .. they ought to be rated as Super Common. Other than that, I've gotten 1 crate and none of the other dressing pieces. Still, I have to say for the most part I've liked what all I've gotten.

A little advice: If you're expecting to buy multiple boosters, you will minimize duplication and maximize variety if you buy them all from the same brick—and if you're buying more than 8 boosters, try to buy a complete brick plus extra boosters from the same case.


Marco Massoudi wrote:

A large round well with clear blue water at the bottom would be very useful.

I can also see a repaint "Runewell" version with green water.

+1 ... You beat me to the well suggestion. Just don't put a roof on it. A nice open well.

The LingSter wrote:
I would love to see a set of blind bags, similar to "we be goblins" so that we can get just dungeon dressing pieces.

+1 ... the way the dungeon dressing are selling, this should be a good seller as well.

Steve Geddes wrote:
I'm worried that, given the apparent success of the bar, Wizkids will shift towards favoring them over the more niche gargantuans.

Usefulness of the bar ... once every few adventures.

Usefulness of a niche gargantuan ... once in a life time.

The bar, and similar pieces have more bang for the buck from my pocket.

Steve Geddes wrote:

In terms of dungeon dressing requests ...

2. A campfire

+1

So many people have had good suggestions, I just need to support them. :-)


Vic Wertz wrote:
knightnday wrote:
I picked up some more from my FLGS and still haven't had any broken or problems in 12-16 boosters (I've lost count. They are addictive!). I can say that if I never see another Bugbear Mystic it will be too soon .. they ought to be rated as Super Common. Other than that, I've gotten 1 crate and none of the other dressing pieces. Still, I have to say for the most part I've liked what all I've gotten.
A little advice: If you're expecting to buy multiple boosters, you will minimize duplication and maximize variety if you buy them all from the same brick—and if you're buying more than 8 boosters, try to buy a complete brick plus extra boosters from the same case.

I'll keep that in mind for next time. This time I was spreading the love between four game stores who had everything broken down into individual boosters.


Swiftbrook wrote:
Steve Geddes wrote:
I'm worried that, given the apparent success of the bar, Wizkids will shift towards favoring them over the more niche gargantuans.

Usefulness of the bar ... once every few adventures.

Usefulness of a niche gargantuan ... once in a life time.

The bar, and similar pieces have more bang for the buck from my pocket.

Yeah, that's what worries me - that the popularity of your preferences will cause Wizkids to shift their priority.

For me the bar has zero usefulness and will never see the table. Gargantuan monsters, despite being rare, will be used every now and again.

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Have to 100% agree with you Steve. I love the bar (far more than I thought I initially would, so it rates above zero usefulness for me) but I personally hope we continue the gargantuan creatures as incentives with major dressing pieces every 5 or so sets. I will use creatures if I have them, the only really niche one to date was Deskari, but I like the mini so I'm fine with that.

I would also back a dungeon dressing line, In fact the heroclix line has two, an indoor and an outdoor encounter clam shell pack out now with modern dressing pieces - lamp post, post box, trash bin, crate etc. I'm interested in seeing how these do since they could signal a similar possibility for the battles line.

Now that said I actually have enough of the current pieces to suit my game table (except bar stools) so a "we be goblins" like set with current pieces doesn't appeal, and I imagine I won't be alone in this.

I would also be happy to see some oversized gargantuans (like the "large" elementals from SS) that are actually minis of some of the more iconic colossal creatures. At that end of the scale I don't really care if my creature is 4" wide when it's suppos d to be 6" , it still looks imposing on the table next the 1" PCs.

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Cat-thulhu wrote:

Have to 100% agree with you Steve. I love the bar (far more than I thought I initially would, so it rates above zero usefulness for me) but I personally hope we continue the gargantuan creatures as incentives with major dressing pieces every 5 or so sets. I will use creatures if I have them, the only really niche one to date was Deskari, but I like the mini so I'm fine with that.

I would also back a dungeon dressing line, In fact the heroclix line has two, an indoor and an outdoor encounter clam shell pack out now with modern dressing pieces - lamp post, post box, trash bin, crate etc. I'm interested in seeing how these do since they could signal a similar possibility for the battles line.

Now that said I actually have enough of the current pieces to suit my game table (except bar stools) so a "we be goblins" like set with current pieces doesn't appeal, and I imagine I won't be alone in this.

I would also be happy to see some oversized gargantuans (like the "large" elementals from SS) that are actually minis of some of the more iconic colossal creatures. At that end of the scale I don't really care if my creature is 4" wide when it's suppos d to be 6" , it still looks imposing on the table next the 1" PCs.

Could you post a link to the heroclix terrain sets?

I agree with your idea of Colossal creatures with the "young creature" template.
It is far better to make a 4x4 Linnorm and Tarrasque than none at all.
And they would actually be seeing more table time as they are CR -1. ;-)

I think 2 Gargantuan minis and then a terrain piece followed by 2 minis again would be about the right mix.

On another note:
The D&D Icons of the Realms Set 4 "Monster Menagerie" has been pushed back to april by wizkids.


Marco Massoudi wrote:

On another note:

The D&D Icons of the Realms Set 4 "Monster Menagerie" has been pushed back to april by wizkids.

Disappointing. I'm looking forward to my treant... :(


Kalindlara wrote:
The LingSter wrote:
I would love to see a set of blind bags, similar to "we be goblins" so that we can get just dungeon dressing pieces.

While this would be cool (I bought cases of both the Goblin and Undead sets), those sets had underwhelming sales.

If you want dungeon dressing as a separate product, whether in mini-boosters or in preset kits, everyone needs to keep showing Paizo and WizKids that this isn't just a vocal minority, and that dungeon dressing can carry its own product line.

That's my advice, anyway. ^_^

I'd buy the Dungeon Dressing blind bags. It might be an "easier" way to support your FLGS -- add in a $4 bag when buying a $1 soda is easier to justify to yourself than adding a $14 booster to the $1 soda. At least that's what happened to me when the WBG set was available.

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Have you seen the three Graveyard sets from Reaper Bones kickstarter III?

It includes a "Crypt" building with a 5x3 floor (3 high), 4 removable walls and a removable roof.
There are open and closed door possibilities.
Also the fence set is great too.

Here is the link:

http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/870/647491.page

There are better pictures on the Kickstarter page.

I wish for a tower set from Paizo similar to this set.


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Marco Massoudi wrote:

Have you seen the three Graveyard sets from Reaper Bones kickstarter III?

It includes a "Crypt" building with a 5x3 floor (3 high), 4 removable walls and a removable roof.
There are open and closed door possibilities.
Also the fence set is great too.

Here is the link:

http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/870/647491.page

There are better pictures on the Kickstarter page.

I wish for a tower set from Paizo similar to this set.

And for what it's worth you get a LOT of bang for your buck with that Kickstarter, particularly the Graveyard Expansion you mentioned. For practically the same amount Paizo.com is charging for the Rusty Dragon Inn Bar ($49.99), Reaper is offering the Crypt, fences, columns, gates, sarcophagi, tombstones, and a bunch of other miniatures along with it, not to mention free worldwide shipping. Sure, it's unpainted but that's part of the fun! Most of those terrain items I mentioned are a breeze to paint, even for a novice -- apply a basecoat, perhaps drybrush some ridges, finish with a wash and voila, you're done!

While we're on the topic of Kickstarter, is there any reason why Paizo doesn't offer their own? I want to say I've read an explanation before in past forums but I can't seem to locate such information at the moment. It just seems that with all the requests from us Pathfinder Battles consumers for a stand-alone dungeon dressing line (ala something similar to the Iconic Heroes boxed sets) why not offer a Kickstarter of that very sort and let people put their money where their mouths are? A crowdfunding platform would allow customers to vote with their hard-earned dollars and help finance the project for you without the financial risk of having the product sell unfavorably at market (ala We Be Goblins or Undead Horde builder sets). I'm sure it's more complicated than that (aren't things always?) and I get the distinct sense I'm not the first one to ask this question, but if someone [like Vic Wertz perhaps] could shed some light on this query I sure would appreciate it, thanks :)

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Marco Massoudi wrote:


When can we expect the 2016 Paizo product catalogue now that it comes out twice a year?

When I get around to doing it, probably appearing in a couple of months.

Thanks for the idea of small dragons. I'll see what I can do.

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Cat-thulhu wrote:

1 in 10 so far, I could go 1 in 5 sets. I agree with you Steve there are way too many gargantuans that need doing, I could list 15-20 I desperately want to see in plastic without resorting to books.

PLEASE DO.

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Steve Geddes wrote:


There were a few odd choices for rarity, but that's par for the course - no doubt there's competing priorities: 'things that are easy to paint' should be common and 'things we don't need many of' should be rare. Making a bunyip difficult to place.

Also for some reason when writers in our adventures use bunyips, they tend to use a bunch of them at the same time.


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Ah. I hadn't really appreciated that. (I use them as solitary things).

That's another pretty good reason to give me more bunyips than I thought I needed. :)

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Erik Mona wrote:
Marco Massoudi wrote:


When can we expect the 2016 Paizo product catalogue now that it comes out twice a year?

When I get around to doing it, probably appearing in a couple of months.

Thanks for the idea of small dragons. I'll see what I can do.

Thank you, Eric!

Its hard to think of Gargantuan minis that actually would be interesting enough for collectors beyond dragons;
Interesting enough for a lot of people to buy a case for.

Here are my thoughts:

-Kraken: easily an interesting piece with lots of tentacles, two big evil eyes and an open beak you can put a medium mini in.

-Linnorm: the most iconic is the two-headed one but that one is colossal. I would consider making it a young creature template or making it as massive as possible and putting a seperate 6x6 base in the box.

-(Young) Tarasque: again a colossal creature. I would consider making it 4x4 or in 3 parts that slot easily inside another: body, tail and head.
It worked with the Runelord and Cadrilcasta so why not again?

-Neothelid: easily the best worm-creature (the others being the Purple Worm and Sea-Serpent) with the face-tentacles and the long coiled body.
The image from Occult Realms being the best.

For Dungeon Dressing Gargantuans:
a 4x4 Tower (with seperate slot-on base floor, top floor and battlements roof) a gatehouse (with 2 seperate crenelated city wall pieces) and a small ship would be great.

Thx for listening.


Roc springs to my mind immediately for gargantuan non-dragon.
Good for aereal dilivery of new party members, at least in the mountains.

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DropBearHunter wrote:

Roc springs to my mind immediately for gargantuan non-dragon.

Good for aereal dilivery of new party members, at least in the mountains.

The problem with animals like birds and dinosaurs is:

There are a lot of cheap toys in the right size out there.
I even found a good looking phoenix mini in just the right size for €7.

Here is the link:

http://www.figuren-spielland.de/mobile/safari-801329-phoenix-mp-34102.html


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Erik Mona wrote:
Cat-thulhu wrote:

...there are way too many gargantuans that need doing, I could list 15-20 I desperately want to see in plastic without resorting to books.

PLEASE DO.

The Neothelid for sure.

I also think a Linnorm would be well received (though, to be honest I'm fine substituting a dragon).

A roc would be good too (though again, it's substitutable without too much trouble).

Returning to non-dragonny monsters:

Perhaps a gargantuan insect-thing - the giant emperor scorpion from Bestiary 4 would be a good choice (though the artwork there is perhaps not ideal.

I'm personally quite taken by the riftcreeper from Bestiary 5 (though again, the artwork is unfortunately vertical and maybe not very useful for replicating in a mini).

It wasnt in my mind, but I just went looking for some 'fiendish' things and the Olethrodaemon (p71 Bestiary 2) would be cool.

I'm not sure how canonical you need to be size-wise, but another humanoid to go along with the rune giant (like a titan or something) would be useful.

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My favorite ideas:

-A scaled-down Fafnheir would be amazing. (Lands of the Linnorm Kings 57)

-Speaking of linnorms... a gare linnorm (Pathfinder Adventure Path #50: Night of Frozen Shadows 85) or fjord linnorm (Bestiary 3 183) would be cool. Really, though, almost any linnorm would get my approval...

-I know I've whined about all the dragons in the past, but I found Pathfinder's black dragons to be an artistic improvement; a Gargantuan wouldn't hurt (and would finish out the set).

-A scaled-down Thanatotic or Elysian Titan (Bestiary 2 266-267) is another "humanoid" option.

-A Rukh using the art from Pathfinder Adventure Path #21: The Jackal's Price (76, 84) would be very interesting...

-Personally, I'd like a T-Rex (Bestiary 86); toys just aren't the same, and I'd use it way more than any dragon.

-The Neothelid (Bestiary 214) just keeps coming up...

-Finally, the Wyrmwraith (Bestiary 5 281) is a really solid contender. It's draconic, but a little more unique than the ordinary dragons. Its ghostliness makes it different enough from Brinebones to be useful (and Brinebones is a little bland). It's also got the ACG cover as a claim-to-fame, and appears in at least one AP.

Other ideas:

-Kraken (Bestiary 184)
-Thunderbird (Bestiary 2 264)
-Roc (Bestiary 236)
-Phoenix (Bestiary 227)
-Annihilator Robot (Bestiary 5 206)
-Quantium Golem (Inner Sea Bestiary 19)
-Moxix (Inner Sea Bestiary 33)
-Woundwyrm (Inner Sea Bestiary 61)

I tried to aim for a good mix of sculpt-viability, type, appeal, and CR. Hopefully this helps. ^_^

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Kalindlara wrote:

My favorite ideas:

-A scaled-down Fafnheir would be amazing. (Lands of the Linnorm Kings 57)

-Speaking of linnorms... a gare linnorm (Pathfinder Adventure Path #50: Night of Frozen Shadows 85) or fjord linnorm (Bestiary 3 183) would be cool. Really, though, almost any linnorm would get my approval...

-I know I've whined about all the dragons in the past, but I found Pathfinder's black dragons to be an artistic improvement; a Gargantuan wouldn't hurt (and would finish out the set).

-A scaled-down Thanatotic or Elysian Titan (Bestiary 2 266-267) is another "humanoid" option.

-A Rukh using the art from Pathfinder Adventure Path #21: The Jackal's Price (76, 84) would be very interesting...

-Personally, I'd like a T-Rex (Bestiary 86); toys just aren't the same, and I'd use it way more than any dragon.

-The Neothelid (Bestiary 214) just keeps coming up...

-Finally, the Wyrmwraith (Bestiary 5 281) is a really solid contender. It's draconic, but a little more unique than the ordinary dragons. Its ghostliness makes it different enough from Brinebones to be useful (and Brinebones is a little bland). It's also got the ACG cover as a claim-to-fame, and appears in at least one AP.

Other ideas:

-Kraken (Bestiary 184)
-Thunderbird (Bestiary 2 264)
-Roc (Bestiary 236)
-Phoenix (Bestiary 227)
-Annihilator Robot (Bestiary 5 206)
-Quantium Golem (Inner Sea Bestiary 19)
-Moxix (Inner Sea Bestiary 33)
-Woundwyrm (Inner Sea Bestiary 61)

I tried to aim for a good mix of sculpt-viability, type, appeal, and CR. Hopefully this helps. ^_^

Thunderbird, Rock and Phoenix fall into the Giant Bird category (as does the Rukh - only with 2 heads).

One of those is propably enough for most people and the Phoenix (with translucent parts) is the most obvious choice.

While i like the Annihilator Robot design and think that it would make for a great mini, Eric hinted that most people don't like robots enough to make them. He is propably right.

Aside from a translucent "Ghost Dragon" Wyrmwraith, i can't see the appeal of most minis to a broad enough base of people to buy a case.

That's propably why Eric said to please list as many as possible - there are just not that many interesting gargantuan minis left that are not already available as toys or that have a broad usability.

The solution is: Scenery (like the bar), 2 HUGE minis as incentive and downscaling COLOSSAL creatures a bit (with maybe a 6x6base).

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Dear Eric,

I just read on www.mtgandmore.de (germanys #1 mini site) that wizkids will bring out D&D Icons Set 5(!) in june 2016!
That would be pretty soon after the Set 4 "Monster Menagerie" which has been bumped back to april.

Does that mean we will see the next Pathfinder Battles Set as early as august or even later?

Any info would be much appreciated.

Thx


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If a tower becomes a real option, I'd suggest that there be a bottom level, a middle level, and a roof level, and make it so that the middle levels can be stacked as tall as you like before capping it with the roof. That way, though it would take multiple premium pieces, you could stack yourself a really tall tower.

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Adventure Path Charter Subscriber; Pathfinder PF Special Edition Subscriber

These are some of the gargantuans I would use, semi-regularly at least , if I had them:

Gargantuan black, for completeness since we have the others.
Metallic dragons, for completeness but not a high priority
Elementals of all four key types.
Ravener, complete with transparent green innards and fire.
One of the Chinese, imperial(?) dragons
Wyrmwraith, in very transparent green!

The above really just fill out the necessary basics. Spaced out I'd be happy to get them, meanwhile I'd live these thrown into the mix:

Neothellid!!
Purple worm, actually at the gargantuan scale even
Hydra! With interchangeable heads
Kraken, low on the list but there
Phoenix, again low but in transparent plastic a winner
Jabberwock, this one would be scaled up, but again it would be awesome
Carnivorous blob, again colossal but in translucent red would look awesome. Same goes for any of the ooze at this size.
Linnorm, crag or a "show sized" colossal tarn. I'm happy with colossal at a smaller size as I stated before, at this scale it doesn't really matter.
Tarrasque, my biggest "on the fence" mini here. I want one and I'm sure it would work at gargantuan.
Bodytheif, with pod people in the actual set. And myconids etc, a plant set!
Centipede, most other insects are available but I don't see a good centipede of this scale readily available, and given the quality of the medium in DD this could be amazing. I'd be happy with a gargantuan spider if it resembled that art in B2
Mu Spore: downsized for sure but impressive
Lusca, that weird three headed sharktopus.
Thanatotic titan, again downsized but impressive. Even nicer is the new one in B5, the Danava
The gargantuan Kami, quite nice from memory
Argus, the freaky giant aberration thing in B4 or 5
Zomok. Ever since it appeared in the kingmaker bestiary I've been waiting. It would make a great incentive, again with the use of translucent/transparent plastic.
Devastator, although I'm not certain the artwork is the best look.

There are also probably some Huges that could push the gargantuan envelope. and I'll say it again, once we get to gargantuan, anything this size or higher should work on the 4" bases.

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