paizo.com Recent Comments on Ultimate Intrigue—Vigilante Playtest!paizo.com Recent Comments on Ultimate Intrigue—Vigilante Playtest!2015-08-17T23:19:32Z2015-08-17T23:19:32ZRe: Forums/Ultimate Intrigue Playtest: General Discussion: Paizo Blog: Ultimate Intrigue—Vigilante Playtest!Terminalmancerhttps://paizo.com/community/blog/v5748dyo5lhmq&page=12?Ultimate-Intrigue-Vigilante-Playtest#5782016-03-06T21:45:20Z2016-03-06T21:45:20Z<p>I keep trying to force march, but it isn't getting here any faster. I think we have to wait a little while longer.</p>I keep trying to force march, but it isn't getting here any faster. I think we have to wait a little while longer.Terminalmancer2016-03-06T21:45:20ZRe: Forums/Ultimate Intrigue Playtest: General Discussion: Paizo Blog: Ultimate Intrigue—Vigilante Playtest!GeneticDrifthttps://paizo.com/community/blog/v5748dyo5lhmq&page=12?Ultimate-Intrigue-Vigilante-Playtest#5772016-02-15T20:53:56Z2016-02-15T20:53:56Z<p>Comes out this <a href="http://paizo.com/products/btpy9j6p/discuss&page=1?Pathfinder-Roleplaying-Game-Ultimate-Intrigue#tabs" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">march.</a></p>Comes out this march.GeneticDrift2016-02-15T20:53:56ZRe: Forums/Ultimate Intrigue Playtest: General Discussion: Paizo Blog: Ultimate Intrigue—Vigilante Playtest!kevin_videohttps://paizo.com/community/blog/v5748dyo5lhmq&page=12?Ultimate-Intrigue-Vigilante-Playtest#5762016-02-12T09:17:49Z2016-02-12T09:17:49Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">Roger Corbera wrote:</div><blockquote> I still can't find the link to download it! </blockquote><p>The playtest? You likely won't. It ended last year. The official version comes out soonish.Roger Corbera wrote:I still can't find the link to download it!
The playtest? You likely won't. It ended last year. The official version comes out soonish.kevin_video2016-02-12T09:17:49ZRe: Forums/Ultimate Intrigue Playtest: General Discussion: Paizo Blog: Ultimate Intrigue—Vigilante Playtest!Roger Corberahttps://paizo.com/community/blog/v5748dyo5lhmq&page=12?Ultimate-Intrigue-Vigilante-Playtest#5752016-02-12T08:40:47Z2016-02-12T08:40:47Z<p>I still can't find the link to download it!</p>I still can't find the link to download it!Roger Corbera2016-02-12T08:40:47ZRe: Forums/Ultimate Intrigue Playtest: General Discussion: Paizo Blog: Ultimate Intrigue—Vigilante Playtest!Luthornehttps://paizo.com/community/blog/v5748dyo5lhmq&page=12?Ultimate-Intrigue-Vigilante-Playtest#5742016-01-06T16:13:56Z2016-01-06T16:13:56Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">ARMR Studios wrote:</div><blockquote><p> Wait... Why hasn't this thread been closed yet?</p>
<p>I thought the playtest was over. </blockquote><p>I presume because it is primarily a thread for responses to a blog post, even if that blog post is related to the playtest.ARMR Studios wrote:Wait... Why hasn't this thread been closed yet?
I thought the playtest was over.
I presume because it is primarily a thread for responses to a blog post, even if that blog post is related to the playtest.Luthorne2016-01-06T16:13:56ZRe: Forums/Ultimate Intrigue Playtest: General Discussion: Paizo Blog: Ultimate Intrigue—Vigilante Playtest!ARMR Studios (alias of Rallaster)https://paizo.com/community/blog/v5748dyo5lhmq&page=12?Ultimate-Intrigue-Vigilante-Playtest#5732016-01-06T15:56:16Z2016-01-06T15:56:16Z<p>Wait... Why hasn't this thread been closed yet?</p>
<p>I thought the playtest was over.</p>Wait... Why hasn't this thread been closed yet?
I thought the playtest was over.ARMR Studios (alias of Rallaster)2016-01-06T15:56:16ZRe: Forums/Ultimate Intrigue Playtest: General Discussion: Paizo Blog: Ultimate Intrigue—Vigilante Playtest!Luthornehttps://paizo.com/community/blog/v5748dyo5lhmq&page=12?Ultimate-Intrigue-Vigilante-Playtest#5722016-01-06T11:43:44Z2016-01-06T11:43:44Z<p>Yeah. Mark also mentioned it <a href="http://paizo.com/products/btpy9hj7/discuss&page=2?Pathfinder-Roleplaying-Game-Ultimate-Intrigue#56" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">here</a>.</p>Yeah. Mark also mentioned it here.Luthorne2016-01-06T11:43:44ZRe: Forums/Ultimate Intrigue Playtest: General Discussion: Paizo Blog: Ultimate Intrigue—Vigilante Playtest!Milo v3https://paizo.com/community/blog/v5748dyo5lhmq&page=12?Ultimate-Intrigue-Vigilante-Playtest#5712016-01-06T09:12:38Z2016-01-06T09:12:38Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">Terminalmancer wrote:</div><blockquote> Huh. Was there a mini-reveal about this somewhere? I must have missed it! </blockquote><p>iirc, it was mentioned by Jason at Dragoncon or something like that.Terminalmancer wrote:Huh. Was there a mini-reveal about this somewhere? I must have missed it!
iirc, it was mentioned by Jason at Dragoncon or something like that.Milo v32016-01-06T09:12:38ZRe: Forums/Ultimate Intrigue Playtest: General Discussion: Paizo Blog: Ultimate Intrigue—Vigilante Playtest!Terminalmancerhttps://paizo.com/community/blog/v5748dyo5lhmq&page=12?Ultimate-Intrigue-Vigilante-Playtest#5702016-01-06T02:32:40Z2016-01-06T02:32:40Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">Milo v3 wrote:</div><blockquote> <div class="messageboard-quotee">Jody Gates wrote:</div><blockquote> Pardon me for not reading through all 12 pages of this, I'll accept curt replies and even go back and read if it's in there, but I'm trying to determine if the Vigilante is a template to put on any class (I could make a Vigilante Hunter?) or if it's a class with 4 sub-classes built in.</blockquote><p>Neither.
<p>Vigilante will be a class with access to things like the talents possessed by Avenger and Stalker rather than being all over the place conceptually. Zealot and Warlock will be archetypes. </blockquote><p>Huh. Was there a mini-reveal about this somewhere? I must have missed it!Milo v3 wrote:Jody Gates wrote: Pardon me for not reading through all 12 pages of this, I'll accept curt replies and even go back and read if it's in there, but I'm trying to determine if the Vigilante is a template to put on any class (I could make a Vigilante Hunter?) or if it's a class with 4 sub-classes built in.
Neither. Vigilante will be a class with access to things like the talents possessed by Avenger and Stalker rather than being all over the place conceptually. Zealot and Warlock...Terminalmancer2016-01-06T02:32:40ZRe: Forums/Ultimate Intrigue Playtest: General Discussion: Paizo Blog: Ultimate Intrigue—Vigilante Playtest!Milo v3https://paizo.com/community/blog/v5748dyo5lhmq&page=12?Ultimate-Intrigue-Vigilante-Playtest#5692016-01-06T02:17:27Z2016-01-06T02:17:27Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">Mark Seifter wrote:</div><blockquote> Even furthermore, a lot of the talents are available to everybody, so the divergence between avenger and stalker is less extreme than if you imagined just taking them both from the playtest. </blockquote><p>Thanks for the clarification.
<p>Question, any word on whether non-location tied Vigilantes will be easier than they were in the playtest or will that remain underwraps until the book goes to sale and people start to vivisect it?</p>Mark Seifter wrote:Even furthermore, a lot of the talents are available to everybody, so the divergence between avenger and stalker is less extreme than if you imagined just taking them both from the playtest.
Thanks for the clarification. Question, any word on whether non-location tied Vigilantes will be easier than they were in the playtest or will that remain underwraps until the book goes to sale and people start to vivisect it?Milo v32016-01-06T02:17:27ZRe: Forums/Ultimate Intrigue Playtest: General Discussion: Paizo Blog: Ultimate Intrigue—Vigilante Playtest!Mark Seifterhttps://paizo.com/community/blog/v5748dyo5lhmq&page=12?Ultimate-Intrigue-Vigilante-Playtest#5682016-01-06T02:05:19Z2016-01-06T02:05:19Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">Tels wrote:</div><blockquote> <div class="messageboard-quotee">Jody Gates wrote:</div><blockquote> Pardon me for not reading through all 12 pages of this, I'll accept curt replies and even go back and read if it's in there, but I'm trying to determine if the Vigilante is a template to put on any class (I could make a Vigilante Hunter?) or if it's a class with 4 sub-classes built in. I'm really not interested in this class or book if this ONLY works in games where you have a need for a vigilante in a city setting. Specifically, I'd love to play the Warlock but don't want to have dismantle the Vigilante to play it without that superfluous (and pointless IMO) fluff. </blockquote>The Vigilante is a class. However, my understanding of this playtest is that they changed the way the class functions. Instead of one class with four sub-classes within, fighter, rogue, arcane caster, divine caster, it is now only two classes, fighter and rogue. What they have done, is moved the arcane and divine portion into the archetype system. Now, whether that is one archetype that chooses between arcane or divine, or two different archetypes, I have no idea. </blockquote><p>Even furthermore, a lot of the talents are available to everybody, so the divergence between avenger and stalker is less extreme than if you imagined just taking them both from the playtest.Tels wrote:Jody Gates wrote: Pardon me for not reading through all 12 pages of this, I'll accept curt replies and even go back and read if it's in there, but I'm trying to determine if the Vigilante is a template to put on any class (I could make a Vigilante Hunter?) or if it's a class with 4 sub-classes built in. I'm really not interested in this class or book if this ONLY works in games where you have a need for a vigilante in a city setting. Specifically, I'd love to play the Warlock but...Mark Seifter2016-01-06T02:05:19ZRe: Forums/Ultimate Intrigue Playtest: General Discussion: Paizo Blog: Ultimate Intrigue—Vigilante Playtest!Telshttps://paizo.com/community/blog/v5748dyo5lhmq&page=12?Ultimate-Intrigue-Vigilante-Playtest#5672016-01-06T02:03:44Z2016-01-06T02:03:44Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">Jody Gates wrote:</div><blockquote> Pardon me for not reading through all 12 pages of this, I'll accept curt replies and even go back and read if it's in there, but I'm trying to determine if the Vigilante is a template to put on any class (I could make a Vigilante Hunter?) or if it's a class with 4 sub-classes built in. I'm really not interested in this class or book if this ONLY works in games where you have a need for a vigilante in a city setting. Specifically, I'd love to play the Warlock but don't want to have dismantle the Vigilante to play it without that superfluous (and pointless IMO) fluff. </blockquote><p>The Vigilante is a class. However, my understanding of this playtest is that they changed the way the class functions. Instead of one class with four sub-classes within, fighter, rogue, arcane caster, divine caster, it is now only two classes, fighter and rogue. What they have done, is moved the arcane and divine portion into the archetype system. Now, whether that is one archetype that chooses between arcane or divine, or two different archetypes, I have no idea.Jody Gates wrote:Pardon me for not reading through all 12 pages of this, I'll accept curt replies and even go back and read if it's in there, but I'm trying to determine if the Vigilante is a template to put on any class (I could make a Vigilante Hunter?) or if it's a class with 4 sub-classes built in. I'm really not interested in this class or book if this ONLY works in games where you have a need for a vigilante in a city setting. Specifically, I'd love to play the Warlock but don't want to...Tels2016-01-06T02:03:44ZRe: Forums/Ultimate Intrigue Playtest: General Discussion: Paizo Blog: Ultimate Intrigue—Vigilante Playtest!Milo v3https://paizo.com/community/blog/v5748dyo5lhmq&page=12?Ultimate-Intrigue-Vigilante-Playtest#5662016-01-06T02:01:26Z2016-01-06T02:01:26Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">Jody Gates wrote:</div><blockquote> Pardon me for not reading through all 12 pages of this, I'll accept curt replies and even go back and read if it's in there, but I'm trying to determine if the Vigilante is a template to put on any class (I could make a Vigilante Hunter?) or if it's a class with 4 sub-classes built in.</blockquote><p>Neither.
<p>Vigilante will be a class with access to things like the talents possessed by Avenger and Stalker rather than being all over the place conceptually. Zealot and Warlock will be archetypes.</p>Jody Gates wrote:Pardon me for not reading through all 12 pages of this, I'll accept curt replies and even go back and read if it's in there, but I'm trying to determine if the Vigilante is a template to put on any class (I could make a Vigilante Hunter?) or if it's a class with 4 sub-classes built in.
Neither. Vigilante will be a class with access to things like the talents possessed by Avenger and Stalker rather than being all over the place conceptually. Zealot and Warlock will be...Milo v32016-01-06T02:01:26ZRe: Forums/Ultimate Intrigue Playtest: General Discussion: Paizo Blog: Ultimate Intrigue—Vigilante Playtest!Flame Effigyhttps://paizo.com/community/blog/v5748dyo5lhmq&page=12?Ultimate-Intrigue-Vigilante-Playtest#5652016-01-06T01:35:44Z2016-01-06T01:35:44Z<p>No it's not a template.</p>No it's not a template.Flame Effigy2016-01-06T01:35:44ZRe: Forums/Ultimate Intrigue Playtest: General Discussion: Paizo Blog: Ultimate Intrigue—Vigilante Playtest!Jody Gateshttps://paizo.com/community/blog/v5748dyo5lhmq&page=12?Ultimate-Intrigue-Vigilante-Playtest#5642016-01-05T22:51:03Z2016-01-05T22:51:03Z<p>Pardon me for not reading through all 12 pages of this, I'll accept curt replies and even go back and read if it's in there, but I'm trying to determine if the Vigilante is a template to put on any class (I could make a Vigilante Hunter?) or if it's a class with 4 sub-classes built in. I'm really not interested in this class or book if this ONLY works in games where you have a need for a vigilante in a city setting. Specifically, I'd love to play the Warlock but don't want to have dismantle the Vigilante to play it without that superfluous (and pointless IMO) fluff.</p>Pardon me for not reading through all 12 pages of this, I'll accept curt replies and even go back and read if it's in there, but I'm trying to determine if the Vigilante is a template to put on any class (I could make a Vigilante Hunter?) or if it's a class with 4 sub-classes built in. I'm really not interested in this class or book if this ONLY works in games where you have a need for a vigilante in a city setting. Specifically, I'd love to play the Warlock but don't want to have dismantle...Jody Gates2016-01-05T22:51:03ZRe: Forums/Ultimate Intrigue Playtest: General Discussion: Paizo Blog: Ultimate Intrigue—Vigilante Playtest!Starfox (alias of Carl Cramér)https://paizo.com/community/blog/v5748dyo5lhmq&page=12?Ultimate-Intrigue-Vigilante-Playtest#5632016-01-02T10:26:03Z2016-01-02T10:26:03Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">SmiloDan wrote:</div><blockquote></p>
<p>You probably haven't seen the ninja iconic because s/he's a ninja. ;-)</p>
<p>Look out your window. See that "empty" street? Ninja parade.
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Look under your bed for monsters. See "nothing" there? Ninja monsters.
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Look over your shoulder. "Nobody" there? Ninja. Watching. Waiting. </blockquote><p>Reminds me of an old 1e/2E joke.
<p>Elves can gain unlimited levels as thieves. So, where are all the super-level elf thieves? Everywhere, you just can't see them!</p>SmiloDan wrote:You probably haven't seen the ninja iconic because s/he's a ninja. ;-)
Look out your window. See that "empty" street? Ninja parade.
Look under your bed for monsters. See "nothing" there? Ninja monsters.
Look over your shoulder. "Nobody" there? Ninja. Watching. Waiting.
Reminds me of an old 1e/2E joke. Elves can gain unlimited levels as thieves. So, where are all the super-level elf thieves? Everywhere, you just can't see them!Starfox (alias of Carl Cramér)2016-01-02T10:26:03ZRe: Forums/Ultimate Intrigue Playtest: General Discussion: Paizo Blog: Ultimate Intrigue—Vigilante Playtest!Thrawn007 (RPG Superstar Season 9 Top 16)https://paizo.com/community/blog/v5748dyo5lhmq&page=12?Ultimate-Intrigue-Vigilante-Playtest#5572015-07-21T01:59:59Z2015-07-21T01:59:59Z<p>Touch helps with hitting, and 3/4 BAB isn't bad. The damage is the issue, not the hitting.</p>Touch helps with hitting, and 3/4 BAB isn't bad. The damage is the issue, not the hitting.Thrawn007 (RPG Superstar Season 9 Top 16)2015-07-21T01:59:59ZRe: Forums/Ultimate Intrigue Playtest: General Discussion: Paizo Blog: Ultimate Intrigue—Vigilante Playtest!Zwordsmanhttps://paizo.com/community/blog/v5748dyo5lhmq&page=12?Ultimate-Intrigue-Vigilante-Playtest#5562015-07-21T01:29:42Z2015-07-21T01:29:42Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">Terminalmancer wrote:</div><blockquote> <div class="messageboard-quotee">Zwordsman wrote:</div><blockquote> <div class="messageboard-quotee">Rynjin wrote:</div><blockquote><br />
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<p>The Warlock has the option to switch to a bow too. Point?</p>
<p></blockquote><p>The effectiveness of that is debatable.. They have no special extra to hit features like most other things. They'd basically be hitting like the old rogue does with a bow.
</p>
the Kin still had that boost to hit via burn, and enough damage in that one shot to usually be fine.
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Warlock with the bow is going to have a hard time hitting, The onlyboosts I can think of off hand are enhancment, and magic weapon (which don't stack last I knew).</p>
<p>These days most things end up with a bonus to hit in some form, warlock doesn't have any that I can think of.
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Not that it's impossible but it sure is going to suck missing a lot since the AC for most games will be set with regards to other class's to hit ratios. </blockquote>To be fair, they do get a single, if useful, boost—the arcane striker talent, which does replicate a feat but doesn't take up a feat slot. It'd be nice if there was more to the class than that, of course. </blockquote><p>Oh I was mostly talking about accuracy boosters rather than damage. Arcane Striker doesn't help hitting .. unless i missed some detail of itTerminalmancer wrote:Zwordsman wrote: Rynjin wrote:The Warlock has the option to switch to a bow too. Point?
The effectiveness of that is debatable.. They have no special extra to hit features like most other things. They'd basically be hitting like the old rogue does with a bow.
the Kin still had that boost to hit via burn, and enough damage in that one shot to usually be fine.
Warlock with the bow is going to have a hard time hitting, The onlyboosts I can think of off hand are enhancment,...Zwordsman2015-07-21T01:29:42ZRe: Forums/Ultimate Intrigue Playtest: General Discussion: Paizo Blog: Ultimate Intrigue—Vigilante Playtest!Terminalmancerhttps://paizo.com/community/blog/v5748dyo5lhmq&page=12?Ultimate-Intrigue-Vigilante-Playtest#5552015-07-20T22:03:24Z2015-07-20T22:03:24Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">Zwordsman wrote:</div><blockquote> <div class="messageboard-quotee">Rynjin wrote:</div><blockquote><br />
<br />
<p>The Warlock has the option to switch to a bow too. Point?</p>
<p></blockquote><p>The effectiveness of that is debatable.. They have no special extra to hit features like most other things. They'd basically be hitting like the old rogue does with a bow.
</p>
the Kin still had that boost to hit via burn, and enough damage in that one shot to usually be fine.
<br />
Warlock with the bow is going to have a hard time hitting, The onlyboosts I can think of off hand are enhancment, and magic weapon (which don't stack last I knew).</p>
<p>These days most things end up with a bonus to hit in some form, warlock doesn't have any that I can think of.
<br />
Not that it's impossible but it sure is going to suck missing a lot since the AC for most games will be set with regards to other class's to hit ratios. </blockquote><p>To be fair, they do get a single, if useful, boost—the arcane striker talent, which does replicate a feat but doesn't take up a feat slot. It'd be nice if there was more to the class than that, of course.Zwordsman wrote:Rynjin wrote:The Warlock has the option to switch to a bow too. Point?
The effectiveness of that is debatable.. They have no special extra to hit features like most other things. They'd basically be hitting like the old rogue does with a bow.
the Kin still had that boost to hit via burn, and enough damage in that one shot to usually be fine.
Warlock with the bow is going to have a hard time hitting, The onlyboosts I can think of off hand are enhancment, and magic weapon...Terminalmancer2015-07-20T22:03:24ZRe: Forums/Ultimate Intrigue Playtest: General Discussion: Paizo Blog: Ultimate Intrigue—Vigilante Playtest!Zwordsmanhttps://paizo.com/community/blog/v5748dyo5lhmq&page=12?Ultimate-Intrigue-Vigilante-Playtest#5542015-07-20T21:05:55Z2015-07-20T21:05:55Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">Rynjin wrote:</div><blockquote><br />
<br />
<p>The Warlock has the option to switch to a bow too. Point?</p>
<p></blockquote><p>The effectiveness of that is debatable.. They have no special extra to hit features like most other things. They'd basically be hitting like the old rogue does with a bow.
</p>
the Kin still had that boost to hit via burn, and enough damage in that one shot to usually be fine.
<br />
Warlock with the bow is going to have a hard time hitting, The onlyboosts I can think of off hand are enhancment, and magic weapon (which don't stack last I knew).</p>
<p>These days most things end up with a bonus to hit in some form, warlock doesn't have any that I can think of.
<br />
Not that it's impossible but it sure is going to suck missing a lot since the AC for most games will be set with regards to other class's to hit ratios.</p>Rynjin wrote:The Warlock has the option to switch to a bow too. Point?
The effectiveness of that is debatable.. They have no special extra to hit features like most other things. They'd basically be hitting like the old rogue does with a bow.
the Kin still had that boost to hit via burn, and enough damage in that one shot to usually be fine.
Warlock with the bow is going to have a hard time hitting, The onlyboosts I can think of off hand are enhancment, and magic weapon (which don't stack...Zwordsman2015-07-20T21:05:55Z