Wrath of the Righteous: The Demons Are in the Details

First World Bard wrote:

Consus wrote:

Possible additional power: "Banish this card to automatically acquire the Loot Weapon 'Board with a Nail In It'"?

I mean, that's basically what the Goblin Pegleg is; a piece of wood with a (poisoned) nail.

The ultimate goblin goal: to create a board with a nail in it so big to doom goblinkind.

The ultimate troll-dwarf goal: to create the hammer to go with it.

Question:

Reg. The mythic villain above:

When you fail a check then YOU die.

This is not clear in the English version!
The one player who did the check or all players at this location?

Paizo should introduce besides bury and banish: destroy... You could get a much better effect, when you destroy the card (rip it apart) afterwards. Then increase the difficulty level ... And suddenly Paizo will sell more BASE SETS... Unexperienced PACG players then have to buy two or more base sets/adventure packs when they fail the adventure path :-)

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In case you successfully completed the adventure path... Then some of the destroy cards are gone. Trying to go thru the same adventure path again the difficulty level will be automatically higher for you (you know what is coming, but some helpful boon cards are missing). Cool mechanism to improve :) not only the replayability..

Chaos Orb anyone?

Question:

Reg. The mythic villain above:

When you fail a check then YOU die.

This is not clear in the English version!
The one player who did the check or all players at this location?

Whoever fails the check. If you don't roll, you don't die.

Question:

Reg. The mythic villain above:

When you fail a check then YOU die.

This is not clear in the English version!
The one player who did the check or all players at this location?

Let's not go off about y'all, yinz, youse, you people, and Chineses again. The "you" in the card pertains to the person attempting the check to defeat. It's pretty clear to me. If they wanted to kill everyone in the same location it would say "each character at this location dies."

Check this FAQ

Question:

Reg. The mythic villain above:

When you fail a check then YOU die.

This is not clear in the English version!
The one player who did the check or all players at this location?

The odds of them making a card that could instantly kill everybody is so indescribably unlikely I'm going to go ahead and say it never is going to happen.

This is an obvious singular "you".

From a german viewpoint, the first "you" COULD be singular and the second plural... Could be... The villain smashes the complete location with a MyTHIC strike...

Come on, he is my mythic, demon and outsider at the same time...
Do such creatures follow any given rules ????

I'm assuming it's "you" the player, and that this will be the end of half the Pathfinder Community...

Myfly wrote:

Question:

Reg. The mythic villain above:

When you fail a check then YOU die.

This is not clear in the English version!
The one player who did the check or all players at this location?

Let's not go off about y'all, yinz, youse, you people, and Chineses again. The "you" in the card pertains to the person attempting the check to defeat. It's pretty clear to me. If they wanted to kill everyone in the same location it would say "each character at this location dies."

Check this FAQ

That FAQ definitively covers the "you" in Khorramzadeh's "before you act" power, but it kind of only tangentially covers the two "yous" in the "if you fail a check" power. A better answer for that is here.

(As it happens, the answer is the same for both—"you" means the person making the check—because the second power explicitly applies only to a person attempting and failing a check against him...)

It's pretty clear to me. If they wanted to kill everyone in the same location it would say "each character at this location dies."

Yep—exactly like we did in the power immediately below that one. You'd have to stretch pretty hard to assume that both of those powers affect the same people when they're worded that differently...

never using Temptation of Big Die. I think the emphasis must be on 'die'

You only say that from the comfort of your computer. Wait until you have it face up next to a location and you encounter a boon you really, really want or a bane that is going to be a huge punishment if you don't defeat it, or the final showdown with the villain, then you might use it. Or better yet, imagine your friend encounters a boon you really want. You just might be encouraging him to use that Temptation of Big Die. "After all," you'll tell him, "that particular d20 has been rolling low all night."

You only say that from the comfort of your computer. Wait until you have it face up next to a location and you encounter a boon you really, really want or a bane that is going to be a huge punishment if you don't defeat it, or the final showdown with the villain, then you might use it. Or better yet, imagine your friend encounters a boon you really want. You just might be encouraging him to use that Temptation of Big Die. "After all," you'll tell him, "that particular d20 has been rolling low all night."

Guarantee I roll double-10 rather than a 20 and a 1 though

The only time I could see myself using the card would be if my character is about to die anyway. Hopefully early in the AP. If we're on at least adventure 3, there's no way you'd get me to risk that. A d20 on a check is not enough temptation for it, but I'm probably wrong. Let Wrath prove me wrong.

So, the interesting thing with Temptation of Big Die (Which, in case you haven't seen it and are wondering how we are all talking about it, was in an email Paizo sent out.) is that you get to choose which cards you are going to bury and they can come from your hand, deck or discard pile.

Personally, I'm going to be tempted. These things will be potential factors in that temptation:

1. If I've acquired a lot of cards and felt like I had a decent amount to spare.

2. If I'm not likely to get another turn. i.e. a check to temporarily close a location or to defeat a villain.

3. How good I think the boon I'm trying to acquire is.

4. How bad it would suck to fail to defeat bane I'm attempting to defeat. (We'll call this the Khorramzadeh Principle, but there are lots of other horrible things I can imagine happening when I fail to defeat something.)

5. How likely it is I could be brought back to life. Raise Dead might be available, or other card or character powers can bring me back from the dead.

6. If I'm a character or I have a card that can mitigate the effects. Shield of Gorum Oloch is an example of this. Since it seems I can choose the cards, Oloch could choose armors and weapons and not really have to bury them.

I'm excited to see just how much they can tempt me.

There are some interesting strategies there - let's say it's the villain, so the scenario could end with this roll, and you're gotten enough boons that your deck is bigger than 20 cards. The chance of death from the Temptation roll is minimal - remember that since you add the larger die to your check, the bonus you get caps the damage you can take. If you're getting a +19 or 20, you probably win the scenario before you have to redraw your hand and possibly die from it. If you only get a +4 or something, the damage is likely not important.

Aside from Poog, Barrier promos have my favorites. Dance with the Squealy Nord was plain fun, but Goblin Keelhaulin was the card I most wanted to encounter. A not-so-tough check for 5-8 plunder cards all at once? Don't mind if I do! Don't know if Temptation of the Big Die will hit those heights for me, but I'm interested in it just for the "Display next to your deck" section of the text. I've loved the tiny bits of sideboarding you get in RotR and S&S, good or bad. Everyone probably agrees that Emerald Codex and Immortal Dreamstone are the bomb, but we had our first failure against a Coral Golem the other night and that was pretty fun too! I wouldn't mind if Temptation presages more use of spaces on the table outside of your deck/hand/discard pile.

Like Hawk and Ryric have mentioned, I can see this in a lot of 'all or nothing' scenarios. More often in S&S--though usually by our own boon-sleuthing--we hit a situation where we've got to kill a villain and temp close a location on the final turn. Seelah and Amaryllis would not have minded a risky d20 on deck for the couple times where success or failure hinged on their d4 chance of an Intelligence/Knowledge or Craft check.

I also admit that 'barrier that doesn't need actually defeating' will turn out to be a blessed relief whenever it appears

Haha, I was thinking the same thing. I mean we basically have that now with things like Treasure Hunt. Turning it over and going "whew, it wasn't an Undead Cyclops Hands."

Goblin Keelhaulin was the card I most wanted to encounter. A not-so-tough check for 5-8 plunder cards all at once? Don't mind if I do!.

You know it's double-veteran right (or some kind of non-made-up term to mean the same thing.

Plus it's still plunder, so unless you win the scenario, you don't get the cards.

Well I know how to read~

I'm not 100% certain of the numbers, but by AP6 it should be a Con/Fort 17 or a Wis/Survival 20? High, but it takes a looong time to get there. Every party we played had some way to deal with it. Jirelle napped through the Survival checks, Freiya and Lem could recharge a card. Most characters we played had either a d8 in Wisdom or Con, and we were pretty scrupulous about keeping Blessings of Milani, Hrushusha, or Besmara on hand, on top of Potions of Heroism, someone probably trucking around Besmara's Tricorne, and so on. I think we only lost a roll to it once? And hey, you still get the plunder. :3

Even with S&S's increased difficulty we weren't really in the habit of failing scenarios. Besides which, a stack of 10+ plunder cards is a good incentive to take the rest of the session seriously. And taking pictures of gigantic messes of plunder after a scenario was a lot of fun (even if you usually don't get much worth keeping).

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Khorramzadeh. I guess it's going to be a short campaign. :)

So, the interesting thing with Temptation of Big Die (Which, in case you haven't seen it and are wondering how we are all talking about it, was in an email Paizo sent out.) ...

You can see Temptation of Big Die here. It's our convention promo for the season (debuting at PaizoCon) and it will be sent to subscribers with the first Wrath shipment, along with our May retailer promo, the goblin ally Chuffy Lickwound.

BTW, I really like the pun in the title of Temptation of Big Die. It tempts you with a big die(d20) but it could also make you die (as in death) bigtime.

Question regarding the "Temptation of Big Die." At the end of the scenario, does it return to the box? The card doesn't clearly state this, and I could be tempted to keep it next to my character until I come across something that would make me want to take the plunge.

There is a sentence in the rules in the section on rebuilding your character deck after the scenario that says "put all other cards back in the box" which covers all the card left in the locations and elsewhere when the game ends. It would cover a haunt still displayed by your character and it covers this too, since you can't keep it in your deck.

I also note it has the 'temptation' trait, so could maybe be not alone in that. Fits with fiends, right?

Wrath is going to tempt you with many things.

That reminds me Vic, when do we get a Deck of Many Things?

Since the PACG doesn't use the OGL, you will never be getting a thing by that name....

"By that name"

Excellent

BTW, I really like the pun in the title of Temptation of Big Die.

Great, now Liz will be lording that over me all week.

Since the PACG doesn't use the OGL, you will never be getting a thing by that name....

Ok, the Die of Various Outcomes, which has 20 different potential things that could happen, several of which may or may not be inspired by a certain set of cards...

Since the PACG doesn't use the OGL, you will never be getting a thing by that name....

And then the Wrath of the Reality felt upon us all. Beware poor mortals. 'Cause Mighty-Vic used the "N" word. Poor us we really had faith is the fact that there would never be a never in PACG. That the future could hold anything (including a lot of "thoughts"). That after the Mythic, there would be the Epic, then the Ultimate, then the...

OK back to reality (sorry it's SpringBreak here in France so we are all a little dizzy): I'm all with Andrew and Sandslice, if it's just a question of naming, I can find one (sure I can find a French translating of the Big Die pun but that may be XXX-rated. Don't blame me, I'm born here :-))

AP : "Never say never"
Name: Thing of many Decks
Type : Loot (Item)
AP level : 3
Traits : Object, Magic, Gambling
Check to Acquire : See below (*)
Powers :
Discard an item to acquire this item.
Display this item and recharge another item from your discard pile to draw a random item from the box and display it. You may play any of your displayed items for one of its power anytime, if you do so return the item to the box. At the end of your turn, recharge one of your displayed item and return all your other displayed items to the box.

(*) Yes it is a loot with a Check to Acquire, who said loots never have a Check to Acquire? Anyway in the "Never say never" Adventure Path, the world never is never used. Except in the "you can never explore out of your exploration step" sentence because it is said as a golden rule that there should never be a rule without at least one exception. Never!

That's not powerful enough. It needs to have both the ability to instakill a villain, as well as instantly kill the whole party.

When you encounter a villain, banish this card to roll a D20 (just cos)

On an even number, you defeat the villain, automatically passing all checks, and any checks before or after you act. This card overrides any immunities the villain may have, and overrides any text saying "if... this card is undefeated."

On an odd number, kill all characters participating in this game. The player who banished this card is also killed.

That sounds about right. I'd probably even say on 1-16 everyone dies, and 17-20 the villain dies.

Or even, 17-20, draw a random monster, if it's highest check to defeat is even, the villain dies. If odd, the players die.

What am I doing? We have a card creator now.

TO DRIVE THRU

This blog post did it for me, I am now subscribed to WotR! I can't wait to die by that Demon!

Wrath is going to tempt you with many things.

This makes me nervous. One of the players in my group will always succumb to temptation. He will always stick his hand in Melfeshnakor's Pit, he'll always do "one more explore" when he's down to two cards in hand and one of them is his explore card, and he will always say "don't worry I got this" when he has no combat in his hand and he's going exploring at the Catabombs of Wrath.

at the Catabombs of Wrath.

Wow, we missed an opportunity here.

Xexyz wrote:

at the Catabombs of Wrath.

Wow, we missed an opportunity here.

We at least got the Grapes, right?

Xexyz wrote:

at the Catabombs of Wrath.

Wow, we missed an opportunity here.

I, I don't know what happened there...

Catabombs of Wrath is actually from a *different* card game. It's called Exploding Kittens.

Halls of Wrath from RotR would make a solid WotR location, though :)

Catabombs of Wrath is actually from a *different* card game. It's called Exploding Kittens.

I'll run it by Elan.

I was hoping that the quality control had improved in the set, but...

Looking at the Demonling, I see more than 1 mistake.

1) Evasion is before "before you act", so a "before you act" ability that prevents the Demonling from being evaded is useless. (Unless the rules changed from S&S)
2) "checks to _the_ defeat the Demonling"
3) Serving as a familiar is _humliating_.

This isn't the final version of the card, is it?

Also,

Battle Aspergillum

1) "...against a bane __ has the Outsider or Undead trait..."

Detect Demon

1) "...at _an_ Divine 6 check..."

Corroded Helm (this isn't really a mistake as it may be new templating)

1) "If proficient with heavy armors, you may reveal..." - it's correct English, it's just that almost all other Armors say "If you are proficient with..."

The "If proficient" template is used on every proficiency-based armor and weapon card in Wrath and upcoming decks. We just liked the more succinct version better.

The evasion thing is covered by the sentence "If any powers on the card you’re encountering relate to evading the card, they take effect at this time." under Apply Any Evasion Effects. This occurs before you act (that is, you can't do anything that you would do while you act). We can debate about whether "Before you act" is exactly the phrase needed for evasion effects that require checks (and we will discuss that), but it's not a quality control issue.

Unfortunately, we did not notice those typos before you pointed them out. Thanks for calling them to our attention.

Haha I have to say I just went back to read through this post again..

Khorramzadeh

Speaking of mythic cards and demons, I'm just going to leave this right here for you to think about, right after I tell you that this is a card in the *Base Set*.

*gulp*

The "If proficient" template is used on every proficiency-based armor and weapon card in Wrath and upcoming decks. We just liked the more succinct version better.

The evasion thing is covered by the sentence "If any powers on the card you’re encountering relate to evading the card, they take effect at this time." under Apply Any Evasion Effects. This occurs before you act (that is, you can't do anything that you would do while you act). We can debate about whether "Before you act" is exactly the phrase needed for evasion effects that require checks (and we will discuss that), but it's not a quality control issue.

Unfortunately, we did not notice those typos before you pointed them out. Thanks for calling them to our attention.

Sooo... why isn't it "Before the encounter"?

"Before you act... you can not evade" stops you from using weapon abilities (such as the Whip in S&S) that let you evade while you act - but not from evading during the evade "step." That's the distinction there.