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Those all look great! And it really is high time to have new Dire Boar on hand. Good pick!
I think the Dressing is going to be a big seller. If I were you, and assuming they're as popular as I expect them to be, I'd consider offering pre-packaged non-random sets. There are a lot of Dwarven Forge and Hirst Arts devotees out there who can always use more of this stuff.
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4 for 4. Dragon is very nice indeed and looks to be a perfect match for the evolution set. Thank you for the much needed dire boar and two big thumbs up for the chupacabra, as a common I can see me gathering a creepy pack of the little suckers.
Two quick questions.
1. Are all the dungeon dressing pieces and the same rarity? That's to say wil we be getting 8 pieces at random, most likely 1 of each and 2 repeated pieces, or are some pieces rarere tag others?
2. Will we be getting different sizes, large and small as well?
The brazier is fantastic. I'm looking forward to the rest of the Dungeon Dressing pieces. Eight in a case? Wow, that's not going to be enough... That means duplicates of only one or two pieces. I foresee these going fast on the singles market.
Love the Red Dragon! But,then, I'm a sucker for just about any dragon.
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The brazier is fantastic. I'm looking forward to the rest of the Dungeon Dressing pieces. Eight in a case? Wow, that's not going to be enough... That means duplicates of only one or two pieces. I foresee these going fast on the singles market.
That's the biggest "problem" I foresee as well, and I always seem too ate singles just that bit too late, a few moments after they sell out.
I hope they do a dressing pack, like the iconics sets coming. Or better still reimplement the builder series witha dungeon builder terrain set. I am a plastic-tragic though
Sounds like the dungeon dressing will almost all be rare. With six sculpts in the set and only 8 in a case, at best two will be dupes, and then only a pair.
That's understandable but kind of disappointing. I was looking forward to picking up a bunch as singles (my collection has now reached kind of epic proportions so I can't justify cases anymore) since they're unique, but at rare pricing... not going to happen. At common pricing, I would happily grabbed a half-dozen each (well, of the two revealed so far).
Anyway, thanks Erik.
Not everyone is excited about the dungeon dressings, maybe that will help availability for those who are.
That brazier looks amazing. This set is shaping up to be quite full of awesomeness.
Happy about the Gargantuan Red. That just leaves Black from the Chromatics.
Are we staying mum on the evolution sets still?
I was happy to see a Large Green in the last set, but we're still missing out on a lot of the chromatics in various sizes :) Maybe this set will fill out a few more ranks.
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4 for 4. Dragon is very nice indeed and looks to be a perfect match for the evolution set. Thank you for the much needed dire boar and two big thumbs up for the chupacabra, as a common I can see me gathering a creepy pack of the little suckers.
Two quick questions.
1. Are all the dungeon dressing pieces and the same rarity? That's to say wil we be getting 8 pieces at random, most likely 1 of each and 2 repeated pieces, or are some pieces rarere tag others?
2. Will we be getting different sizes, large and small as well?
1. There are only 6 bits of dungeon dressing, but customers can expect 8 per case. I assume that this implies two sculpts will appear twice (the brazier is a likely suspect). I honestly don't know for sure, and will look into it. I can say with some authority that I sincerely doubt there will be more than 1 of at least 3 of the dungeon dressing pieces we haven't previewed yet.
2. Yes. At least one of the yet-to-be-revealed bits of dungeon dressing is Large. It would need to be to fit a Medium figure inside it, naturally!
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The brazier is fantastic. I'm looking forward to the rest of the Dungeon Dressing pieces. Eight in a case? Wow, that's not going to be enough... That means duplicates of only one or two pieces. I foresee these going fast on the singles market.That's the biggest "problem" I foresee as well, and I always seem too ate singles just that bit too late, a few moments after they sell out.
I hope they do a dressing pack, like the iconics sets coming. Or better still reimplement the builder series witha dungeon builder terrain set. I am a plastic-tragic though
Another idea I thought of (but not fast enough for this set, alas) is to do certain bits of dungeon dressing you might want more of as promotional repaints. That way, when the extras eventually end up for sale on paizo.com, you can order as many as you want.
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I come back to see if we were getting previews of the next case yet, and not only are we, but there stands a gargantuan red dragon in all of it's splendid freaking glory! Eric, you have just regained my attention good sir. Bravo
Also, the other three are all very nice as well. Im so happy to see a brazier, but the boar and the chupacabra are great as well.
Not everyone is excited about the dungeon dressings, maybe that will help availability for those who are.
It might help availability but it won't help price. Spending $10 each for something that I'd need/want in bulk isn't... likely. Spending $4.50 is.
This is a quandary for Wizkids/Paizo. If these are priced too high on average, there'll be the illusion of insufficient demand. If they're too common, people such as yourself who don't want them will complain. It's quite the gamble and I don't pretend to have the answer.
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1. There are only 6 bits of dungeon dressing, but customers can expect 8 per case. I assume that this implies two sculpts will appear twice (the brazier is a likely suspect). I honestly don't know for sure, and will look into it. I can say with some authority that I sincerely doubt there will be more than 1 of at least 3 of the dungeon dressing pieces we haven't previewed yet.
2. Yes. At least one of the yet-to-be-revealed bits of dungeon dressing is Large. It would need to be to fit a Medium figure inside it, naturally!
All right I'll bite. When will we see this one? A cart Mayhaps, or a cage, a hanging cage would we cool. You say at least one will be large, can we conclude from this more than one?
I assume these will replace commons or uncommon rat here than rare?
I think the promo idea is awesome, I can see he brazier now with different coloured flames as a simple but effective repaint. I just hope they aren't too hard to get hold of, although singles here are very reasonable priced.
Can you give any cryptic clues as to the next preview, it always nice to play the guessing game while waiting. For my Gelatinous cube. See what I did there?
The looks absolutely amazing; the entire set (dressings and all) but especially the Gargantuan Red Dragon. I so wish you could qualify the dragon when purchasing a brick instead of a full case. The case commitment is beyond what I would buy so this makes me cry both tears of joy and pain.
No, wait... It's not dungeon dressing. It's a construct. Or a mimic... But it doesn't have base so I cannot attack it. Damned, Erik you got me :-) Worse: Vic is on the thread so now we will have Brasiers henchmen in the PACG. This is a nightmare...
Apocalypse will come next week with the large dungeon dressing being revealed as being a gazebo....
Just kidding. Superb preview. Was worth the wait.
Not everyone is excited about the dungeon dressings, maybe that will help availability for those who are.It might help availability but it won't help price. Spending $10 each for something that I'd need/want in bulk isn't... likely. Spending $4.50 is.
This is a quandary for Wizkids/Paizo. If these are priced too high on average, there'll be the illusion of insufficient demand. If they're too common, people such as yourself who don't want them will complain. It's quite the gamble and I don't pretend to have the answer.
Eventually the availability issue could help the price issue. The invisible miniatures from Wizard's Icon of the Realms set were all $20.00+ the first week of release. By the end of the first month of release, most of them had dropped significantly in price.
I don't think this is that big of a gamble at all. Eight miniatures per case is a reasonable amount. It's essentially replacing eight common and/or uncommon miniatures. For folks who aren't thrilled about the dungeon dressing, it'll still be easy to obtain the singles they need to round out their collection. For those that love the dungeon dressing and desire more for their collection, they should be able to buy one or two extra, even if they are priced closer to Rare prices.
If it turns out that there is enough demand for more, closer to the rate of commons, then Erik, Paizo, and Wizkids have several options. As Erik pointed out, he can run a bunch as promotional repaints that can later be sold through this website. If they're even more popular than expected, they would make for a great return to the Builder series. If that's the case, and the dungeon dressing (and future incarnations) becomes popular enough, then perhaps doing a monthly, visible package akin to the forthcoming Iconics line (as some have suggested) becomes a feasible idea.
The gamble would be to prematurely flood a case with dungeon dressing at the expense of too many regular miniatures. Eight per case provides a great starting point (for this new idea) without turning off established case-purchasers that have no real interest in the dungeon dressing pieces. Start small and build out from there.
I first want to saw how happy I am with the Dragon. And to be honest I am looking forward to the Dungeon Dressings as well. But I hope they do not replace any Rare figures in my case.
At least one of the yet-to-be-revealed bits of dungeon dressing is Large. It would need to be to fit a Medium figure inside it, naturally!
Here's hoping this will be a cage :)
I first want to saw how happy I am with the Dragon. And to be honest I am looking forward to the Dungeon Dressings as well. But I hope they do not replace any Rare figures in my case.
All the same sentiments from me as well.
The dungeon dressing idea is growing on me. My main concern was that I didn't want it to take away from other minis that could be in the set. Since they increased the set # by 6 to account for these, we are not loosing any figure sculpts. I am also happy to hear that most of these dungeon dressings will not have bases.
I hope they go easy on the glue, the the tec savy can put an led in the fire.
I love that Gargantuan red dragon!
By the way, are there any plans for a Colossal dragon sometime? I've been pricing the old Gargantuan red dragon (from the D&D miniature line), and was wondering if I should take the plunge and get one on-line.
No, wait... It's not dungeon dressing. It's a construct. Or a mimic... But it doesn't have base so I cannot attack it. Damned, Erik you got me :-) Worse: Vic is on the thread so now we will have Brasiers henchmen in the PACG. This is a nightmare...
Apocalypse will come next week with the large dungeon dressing being revealed as being a gazebo....
Just kidding. Superb preview. Was worth the wait.
The large would have to be a green Davenport. A Gazebo would be a Huge in a sperate pack :)
I hope the large is not a cart, I bought 3 from that kickstarter :P
I hope the large is not a cart, I bought 3 from that kickstarter :P
I'm guessing either a round cage you can drop over top of a standing Medium mini, or an iron maiden that has some room for you to slip one inside. But probably the former.
Nice minis.
I hope the large dungeon dressing is a door/portal or similar.
The red has a nice pose, though the head seems way too small when compared to the rest of the body (look at the big neck!).
Ruyan.
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I love the dungeon dressings and I especially love the idea of doing them as a builder series. My FLGS still get the goblins and Undead Hordes sets and they're pretty good sellers. I know we bought a slightly unholy amount trying to collect them all. If I could get more dressing bits to make my map awesome, I'd buy those little packed like crazy! 1-2 braziers just isn't enough! :)
It might help availability but it won't help price. Spending $10 each for something that I'd need/want in bulk isn't... likely. Spending $4.50 is.
We almost always price our promos at $5.
I think he is thinking about how "Ultra-Rares" kind of situation or when there is a Rare that folks would want more than one of. In those cases we have seen prices rise quickly. But I admit I hope you do offer some of them at $5 each. I know I would buy several of the braziers myself at $5 each.
It might help availability but it won't help price. Spending $10 each for something that I'd need/want in bulk isn't... likely. Spending $4.50 is.
We almost always price our promos at $5.
Think there's a disconnect going on somewhere. Maybe you're referring to hypothetical promo repaints down the line... some day... maybe? You'd mentioned that, so I'm guessing that's what you're referring to.
In which case, yeah, that'd be fine. Just... as-of-now not announced. So if I want X of what IS announced, I'll be paying rather more than the $5 per mini for them.
Not complaining. Again, I totally respect that there are fiscal realities involved with the production of these, and I've always been rational about it.
... All right I'll bite. When will we see this one? A cart Mayhaps, or a cage, a hanging cage would we cool. You say at least one will be large, can we conclude from this more than one? ...
Try a little harder. Apparatus of Kwalish.
I really love the Dungeon Dressing. I'd rather have had them more common, but just having them in existence is great already!
I am thinking either a cage, coffin or even a sarcophagus! Because all would fit a medium size figure inside them.
Awesome that you created some of the dungeon dressing NOT on a base! Great choice! You actually follow what the fan base wants and is in the best interest of the hobby! Really great! WONDERFUL decision! It just makes sense!
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It might help availability but it won't help price. Spending $10 each for something that I'd need/want in bulk isn't... likely. Spending $4.50 is.
We almost always price our promos at $5.
Think there's a disconnect going on somewhere. Maybe you're referring to hypothetical promo repaints down the line... some day... maybe? You'd mentioned that, so I'm guessing that's what you're referring to.
In which case, yeah, that'd be fine. Just... as-of-now not announced. So if I want X of what IS announced, I'll be paying rather more than the $5 per mini for them.
Not complaining. Again, I totally respect that there are fiscal realities involved with the production of these, and I've always been rational about it.
Yeah, I get you. I think I misread your original post.
I absolutely love the Red Dragon, confirming once again why I have the subscription. Looking forward to the rest of the set.
Hey Erik,
The Red Dragon evolution set had black / dark coloring for the spikes on their heads and along their backs. I'm not seeing that in this render. Can we expect the same for the Gargantuan, to ensure the line matches?
Also - any chance I can get you to comment on the evolution line's future? Is there one?
Not everyone is excited about the dungeon dressings, maybe that will help availability for those who are.
I'm one of those who isn't really looking forward to them. Unfortunately, I'm in Australia and listing RPG things on eBay is just not worth the effort. I wish there were some easy way to trade unwanted minis.
Another idea I thought of (but not fast enough for this set, alas) is to do certain bits of dungeon dressing you might want more of as promotional repaints. That way, when the extras eventually end up for sale on paizo.com, you can order as many as you want.
Great idea. It also means those of us who aren't so keen on dungeon dressing "miss out" on the possibility of a repaint, rather than a whole new figure (which doesn't seem so bad at all).
For those that are super enthusiastic over the dungeon dressing, there could even be more. It appears the second set of miniatures from the new Wizards/Wizkids line has 52 different miniatures. If they stick with the 45 base number for the set, perhaps the extra seven will be somewhat similar to the forthcoming Paizo dungeon dressing.
Of course, that set releases sometime in March, and we still haven't seen more than a handful of the upcoming miniatures. This just reasserts one of the many reasons why I love Paizo and, in particular, Erik's weekly reveals. When it comes to miniatures, I don't buy blindly. I got caught up in the excitement of Wizards returning to the miniature market this past Summer, and was badly burned.
Anyways, perhaps there will be dungeon dressing or some other similar miniature-type coming sooner than later. Or maybe those seven are a continuation of the other company's ill-fated invisible miniatures.
I'm going largely by what I see on the miniatures gallery and read on different websites. If there has been more news relating to dungeon dressing from the other big company, I'm not aware of it.
I'm only bringing it up in here because it seems that there are plenty of people eagerly awaiting such type of pieces.
I'm also interested to know if we'll see other release in the Evolution line. I'm also curious about encounter pack, I realy liked the reign of winter's one
Erik,
Here are two miniature-based ideas for you to consider for sometime in the future.
1. Some type of storage case and/or carrying case for miniatures.
I spend enough on miniatures that I don't like tossing them into just any shoebox or the like. And the Paizo/WizKids miniatures seem to be a tad more brittle than some of those old D&D lines from the past.
Currently I'm using the Plano plastic boxes found on Amazon, among other places. They are rather cheap, with plastic dividers that let me choose where to divvy up the pieces. Unfortunately, there is no easy way to carry more than one or two at a time. Also, it's a pain trying to find the right size matches. Most Small and Mediums can fit into one size, but the Large-sized miniatures take two or three different sizes of container.
I advocate for a storage case for each Battles line. There could be a Small/Medium size, and a Large size, that would be large enough to house the largest of the large miniatures. Once you know the dimensions of the largest miniature in a given set, you'd have enough information to create the storage case.
Storage cases for a particular Battles line could be bought as a set. A set would include enough cases to approximately house one full case. The cases could also be purchased individually, for those that prefer to cherry-pick singles from each release.
The key component here would be that both sizes of case would be stackable with one another. For example, I could purchase a set of cases that was enough for one full Battles line case, but then also purchase an additional individual case that I could stack if I chose to purchase a handful more singles to round out my miniatures collection for that Battles line.
2. Create a Dungeon Dressing diorama.
If you released a Dungeon Dressing Diorama that fit with the general theme of each type of dressing, and was reminiscent of a typical iconic theme or image from fantasy fiction, I'd gladly purchase them.
While I haven't typically used non-creature miniatures in my campaigns (excluding vehicles), I'm cautiously optimistic about the forthcoming dungeon dressing line. If nothing else, they'll provide a wide spectrum of Mimics and/or Animated Objects.
Also, I don't have the time to get super serious on my maps. And as a completist, I tend to not want to stick one or two non-miniatures down when I still have to draw everything else out.
But I'm aware that the dungeon dressing idea you have revealed has been largely received with positive (on here) response. Perhaps finding another way to utilize them for those of us on the fence regarding their usefulness could help.
For example, let us say that the dungeon dressing for the next set is thematic of what would be found in a sorcerer's tower. Perhaps a diorama of the Sorcerer's quarters could be created by you and Wizkids. We could then add our pieces of dressing to the diorama, in addition to whichever miniatures we felt best represented our needs for that scene.
This idea might not be what every DM wants or needs for his particular campaign. Still, it would allow a greater use of the dressing included in each set. It would hold appeal for more than just DM's, though, as it would allow PC's to customize to their own interests. Furthermore, even those that never use the dressing in each set in a campaign might still be willing to put a diorama on display up on their mantlepiece or on top of the shelf containing his or her Pathfinder/RPG book collection.
The best way to sum it up in a simple way is to view it as a 3D version of those old Colorform sets that were popular in the 80's. That is, one particular scene with most of the visuals pre-determined, yet the characters and a handful of important pieces changeable to suit personal preference.
Also, it would provide an opportunity for Paizo to create iconic scenes found in the different mediums of Pathfinder productions. I've noticed a handful of people really have gone all-in on different pathfinder products, and many wish for certain characters/miniatures to help round out a specific adventure scene. Why not provide one of the more popular scenes in an adventure path as an actual physical, visual scene?
I'm curious for any input on these ideas from others on here.