New Year, New Set: Dungeons Deep!

Friday, January 9, 2015

Welcome back to the first 2015 installment of my weekly Publisher's Preview blog! As diligent readers know, I've been eager to share news of the next big Pathfinder Battles set with you, and I'm pleased to say that the day has finally arrived! The next full set of Pathfinder Battles figures will be Dungeons Deep, a 51-figure set inspired by the deadly dungeon dwellers of the Pathfinder Roleplaying Game! The all-new set is expected to debut in June 2015.

Unlike previous sets, Dungeons Deep features six non-creature figures that we're calling "dungeon dressing," an experiment we plan to continue with future sets going forward. I'll have a lot more to say about dungeon dressing in the next few weeks. I am SUPER excited about this development, and WizKids has gone above and beyond to create some truly unique pieces I am sure you will all enjoy.

Let's take a look at three digital sculpts for the set!

Up first is one of my favorite figures from the set, the mighty Sasquatch! Sure, sasquatches are not known for living in dungeons, but I chose this guy to preview first because he's one of my favorites from the set and to illustrate that this theme is pretty loose—don't expect every single figure to be a literal dungeon dweller. Some stuff made it in simply because we thought it was cool! The Sasquatch is a Medium, uncommon figure.

This is the Dwarf Barbarian, one of several dwarf figures in this set. Dungeon denizens need heroes to slay, so we've included several in this set as well. The Dwarf Barbarian has a great pose, and is based on the illustration on page 10 of the NPC Codex. The Dwarf Barbarian is a Medium, uncommon figure.

Here is the first piece of dungeon dressing, the Bubbling Cauldron. The cauldron features clear plastic fire and clear plastic goo, and is a nice accompaniment to a witch or hag villain's lair, or a savage humanoid's kitchen! I'll go into more depth on the rarity of the dungeon dressing in a future post (because I've honestly forgotten how it will work), so please hold questions on that until next week. I know at the least that there will be at least one of each bit of dressing in a case, but I think there are more. I'll clarify next week when I show off another one.

So that's it for this week. While June is certainly a long time to wait for Dungeons Deep, WizKids plans to fill that time with monthly Iconic Heroes non-random sets, each of which features six premium-painted iconic heroes and exclusive Pathfinder Adventure Card Game cards to go with each one! Thanks to an overseas shipping delay, the series is set to kick off with Valeros, Seoni, Sajan, Seelah, Lini, and Droogami the Snow Leopard in February, and will continue with regular monthly releases from that point forward. I've got the final versions of the first set on my desk now, and they are gorgeous. They are going to blow you away with how awesome they look!

Glad to be back in the swing of things in 2015! We'll see you here next week for more reveals, more information, and more sweet minis!

Erik Mona
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I love the spike detail on the dwarf!


Are these renders or actual test run pieces?

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Dungeon dressings! whoot! A long needed niche is getting filled. Love the cauldron ( and big foot/Sasquatch)


My first reaction was also, nice spikes!
I think the dungeon dressing is a good move, and I bet they'll be popular pieces. The old Mage Knight artifact packs still sell really well on Ebay, and I expect this will be similar sorts of stuff.
Kinda surprised that this set doesn't have an explicit link to an Adventure Path, since you haven't had an AP-linked set since Reign of Winter. But I actually think I like the unlinked sets better, especially if each set then provides a few key minis from a variety of AP's.
Crossing my fingers for a shocker lizard and 2-sized spriggans!!!


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And let me add: Yay! New minis!!!

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Very excited to see the dungeon dressing, and I look forward to much more in future sets.


Medium green dragon please. Also very excited for the dungeon dressings, provided they are less than common. Sounds like you have a good plan in mind. Sasquatch looks amazing. I will trade you a live human child if you ever make a great cyclops.


LOL, you've got to wonder who gets the crappy job of MOVING all the dungeon furniture and stuff down deep into the underground lairs and such. I mean, that cauldron MUST WEIGH a TON and we're not even TALKING about the RACKS, IRON MAIDENS, STATUES DEDICATED TO EVIL GODS AND FIENDS, etc etc. ^_~


Also, the Dwarf Barbarian looks TOTALLY AWESOME! I vote he should be called a Dwarf BATTLERAGER! Now if only we had a dwarven battlerager racial archetype for the Barbarian class. :(


BRADicPerformance wrote:
Also very excited for the dungeon dressings, provided they are less than common.

I would have to say, in my opinion, it would make a difference what the item was. While I agree I don't need five cauldrons, if the piece were a free standing candle or torch for example, then allowing that to be a common small would be just fine. I could always use five or six of those in my set ups.


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Oooooooh ... I like the idea of this upcoming set "Dungeons Deep". Very cool, and very evocative images/characters/creatures come to mind. (Drow I'm looking at you). :)

Also, eager to hear about the case incentive, my initial thought was a gargantuan red dragon, but as I thought about this set, it occurred to me, perhaps something like a neo-thelid, or even a purple worm is possible.

***Erik, how soon/late must one "re-subscribe" to Pathfinder Battles to qualify for the discount on the Iconics Sets?***

I have a plan. :)

Just hope the timing works out.

Thanks in advance.

Dean


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The newest subscription product has to have already shipped or be shipping with the item you want the discount on.


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I see, thanks Joana. (Now I just hope the new credit card arrives VERY soon). :)


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I love the Sasquatch and Dwarf. Major points for using more art from the NPC Codex.

It sounds to me like this is going to be a fantastic line.

I'm also excited to see what the Gargantuan incentive piece is. If I'm correct, this is the Battles set that Erik was planning when he asked us to vote awhile back on what Gargantuan creature we'd most like to see. He indicated it could be anything, but he said to keep a basic dungeon in mind. This would definitely qualify for that theme.

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Curmudgeonly wrote:
Are these renders or actual test run pieces?

These are digital renders. We have photos of the Saquatch, but honestly these renders are better-looking than the photos I have (the minis themselves look GREAT).

So I'm going to keep the previews focused on digital renders as much as possible for now. I'll do comparison photos later once I have more than 5 paint masters. :)


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To be clear, it sounds like each case will contain at least one of each individual Dungeon Dressing miniature in the six-piece set, right? So each case should have, at a minimum, the entire six-piece set.

For some reason, the first time through, I read it as there being at least one piece per case of the Dungeon Dressing. As in there would only be one piece per case, and thus the set was more like the chase-pieces in the new D&D line.

And for the record, this question is for everyone else, not Erik. I can wait a week for a definitive explanation.

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Cleanthes wrote:
But I actually think I like the unlinked sets better

I _know_ I like unlinked sets better. I think they'll end up selling better, too, generally speaking, because I can focus more on "what would make an awesome miniature" than "wow, this campaign has a lot of maftets."

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The_Minstrel_Wyrm wrote:

***Erik, how soon/late must one "re-subscribe" to Pathfinder Battles to qualify for the discount on the Iconics Sets?***

Ping me again if you don't get an answer to this early next week. Everyone on the CS side is gone by now, and I don't want to give an answer that may be incorrect.

I _think_ that as long as you've had the current set, The Lost Coast, fulfilled as part of a subscription before February, you should be good, but I will confirm that next week.

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Pigraven wrote:

To be clear, it sounds like each case will contain at least one of each individual Dungeon Dressing miniature in the six-piece set, right? So each case should have, at a minimum, the entire six-piece set.

Yes, one full set of all the dressing. But I think it's actually more than that. Checking. I'll address this specifically in next week's blog, when I show off the next piece.


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I do have a question for Erik. Does it matter where we buy the Iconics line from? The success of the line in the eyes of Wizkids would be total units sold, right? And so whether we buy two each from this website or two from a third party site (or FLGS) doesn't make any difference in that regard, correct?

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Let me help Erik answer here: For all of our subscriptions, in order for your subscriber benefits to kick in, you must have had at least one subscription shipment ship. That means, if you want the Iconics Set discount for being a Pathfinder Battles subscriber, you need to start your subscription with Lost Coast.

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Pigraven wrote:
I do have a question for Erik. Does it matter where we buy the Iconics line from? The success of the line in the eyes of Wizkids would be total units sold, right? And so whether we buy two each from this website or two from a third party site (or FLGS) doesn't make any difference in that regard, correct?

We always have said to buy where it makes the most sense for your budget. Sales across all channels are good!

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Cleanthes wrote:
Crossing my fingers for a shocker lizard and 2-sized spriggans!!!

seconded! My, oh my is that seconded. At the moment I use the Iconds of the realms goblin for my small spriggans but I would be sooooo much happier with a small and large with a unified look. Then again there are literally hundreds of minis I "need" for my collection.

I love the idea of dungeon dressings. I have taken very heavily to the mage knight scenery stuff and everyone at the table loves it. The cauldron get s a big thumbs up for the first. Pillars and stair would be good to have too at some point.

As for the other two, not sure how much I'll use a sasquatch, odd choice for a mini in my eyes. That said of course Ill need a few and I'm certain that will end with sasquatch encounters.

That dwarf is very nice. Hero or Villain it will see some serious use at our table.

Very excited for this set, just seems a shame we have to wait for the incentive (hint, hint)


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Two thumbs up for the dungeon dressing. I know I've bought a bunch of the stuff in Reaper's bones and metal lines. Sitting there waiting for me to have time to paint. Sigh. So yeah, I'll buy these.


I'm really happy to see the return of previews for a new set and it was great to read that it will be a 51 figure set!

I'm not quite as excited about dungeon dressing as everyone else, but if the figures are rares then I would certainly be pleased. That cauldron looks really good and I would like to have 1 (but most certainly not 4).

Erik Mona wrote:
Dungeon denizens need heroes to slay, so we've included several in this set as well.

I really like getting more pc/npc figures, so I am also really happy to hear this.


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Cool, a mimic at last!

And more dwarfs!


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Kor - Orc Scrollkeeper wrote:
I'm really happy to see the return of previews for a new set and it was great to read that it will be a 51 figure set!

I didn't pick up on that, but yes. That's good to hear. Not as good as 55, but better than 45.

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I'm not quite as excited about dungeon dressing as everyone else, but if the figures are rares then I would certainly be pleased. That cauldron looks really good and I would like to have 1 (but most certainly not 4).

The inclusion of dungeon dressing is a disappointment to me, so not quite everyone. Every cauldron, altar or door is one less daemon (or whatever) that doesn't get made. It's always been an idea that sounds better than it actually turns out, in my experience.

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I'm about to change your experience, Steve. :)


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Well, Erik. You've done that before - so I wont be surprised. :)

I've just always found 3D props like that which I've tried to introduce to last one or two sessions, then the fiddliness just begins to get in the way of the game and we go back to black texta scribbles. I'll keep an open mind though - it's just not something I'm looking forward to.

And, of course, all will be forgiven if there IS a daemon or two on the way... ;)

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There's at least one demon in the set, just for you. (Everyone else will get it to, though.)

We don't get a lot of dungeon dressing, so I'm trying to make smart choices that add a lot of dynamism to an encounter. To be honest, I think the cauldron is probably my least favorite of all of the pieces, and I'm still really happy with it.

The rest are better.


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Erik Mona wrote:
We don't get a lot of dungeon dressing, so I'm trying to make smart choices that add a lot of dynamism to an encounter.

There's a lot to like about the PF Battles line, but I think if I had to pick one, single favourite feature it would be model selection. You do a terrific job of balancing who-knows-how-many factors in selecting which figures to include at what rarities, in my opinion.


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the cartyd columns made pretty good dungeon dressing already,
at least that's what I got them for

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Erik Mona wrote:

There's at least one demon in the set, just for you. (Everyone else will get it to, though.)

We don't get a lot of dungeon dressing, so I'm trying to make smart choices that add a lot of dynamism to an encounter. To be honest, I think the cauldron is probably my least favorite of all of the pieces, and I'm still really happy with it.

The rest are better.

Do you mean there is a DEMON or a DAEMON in the set Eric? ;-)

I like the idea of 3D props - i hope this gets to the point that we get special sets for special adventure set bossfights.

An altar of Asmodeus (or another evil god), a (crimson) throne,
a large mirror, a (large or medium) brazier, a large (bejeweled) (dragon or humanoid) skull, a large bed, a large fireplace, a large dresser with drawers and a large bath tub - these are things that come to mind immediately.

I recon the cauldron is medium size?

Most things would work both in medium and large size - small and huge is not really practicable.

Thanks for sharing - i like it and hope other people will too.


Look very nice. Need a Huge Green Dragon for the Dragon's Demand!


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First off, yay for the new set previews! All three pieces are winners. If this is the kind of stuff we get when a set is not tightly coupled to an AP theme, I'm all for this approach!

Kor - Orc Scrollkeeper wrote:
... I'm not quite as excited about dungeon dressing as everyone else, but if the figures are rares then I would certainly be pleased. That cauldron looks really good and I would like to have 1 (but most certainly not 4). ...

I was wondering what I would do with multiple cauldrons, myself. But, I bet these dressing pieces will be quite easy to trade, so I'm not worried at all about getting multiples. And, like was mentioned above, there are many items that I would certainly want more than one of. I think this is a great idea for the line, and can't wait to see what the other five pieces are.

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More 3D props to add to the game? Awesome! I might have to set aside some cash for a case rather than just buy singles, because that is such an awesome idea. (Rarity dependant, as you need lots of tables/ chairs/ bookcases/ pillars but seldom more than 1 cauldron.)

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I'm another fan of the dungeon dressings. 6 out of 51, and folks still get their 45 creatures. Seems fair. But it's an experiment - I love that Paizo is willing to try something new and see how it turns out - so we'll have to see how the public feels about them and move forward from there. My guts says it's more a question of getting the ratio of dressings-to-creatures right so that even the non-prop folk can feel like they're getting their money's worth. But I'm stoked!

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I'm also like Steve Geddes - in the past I've found the dungeon dressing better in theory than in use. However, I'm certainly interested to see how they turn out. If it does turn out to be an ongoing thing, I hope the number is fluid, and/or that the dressing "slots" may also be used for things like mules.

That said, all of these renders look great.

However, I'm more excited at some of the things mentioned in the text: 51 figure set, lots of characters, loose theme...
And while it is not tied to a specific AP, it's interesting that there are "several dwarf figures" arriving around the completion of Giantslayer.

And Dire Corbies live in dungeons deep.


I think dungeon dressing is a great idea...WotC flirted with it a bit, and I always hoped they'd explore it further.

A well painted door would be very nice...

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We actually needed a Sasquatch mini. I like that it doesn't have any shorts on, unlike its colder cousin.

I too like the spiky elements on the Dwarf. If I get more than one, I will be tempted to mod one or two into Duergar.

And finally, I like props. When I can use them, they add to the overall experience, especially if I can combine them with some Dwarven Forge or other terrain.

Now personally, I would like to get several of the Cauldrons. One especially to have a little fun with. I could see drilling a hole in the bottom of one and running up a little LED into it.

Plus in a certain AP there were three Hag Witch sisters brewing around a Cauldron. I could see modifying the encounter with each sister with her own Cauldron brewing up different spells. Fun!

Thanks Erik! This is a good way to start the New Year.


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I am very excited to see dungeon dressing!!! So much more useful when combined with my Dwarven Forge pieces than farm animals. =)

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That means that the Feiya and King Irovetti replacement figures will not appear in The Lost Coast, and will instead be inserted into the next set we do after that. We apologize for the delay, but I for one am impressed with WizKids taking the initiative to fix the problem. None of us needs more bad Feiya figures.

Just wanted to check that this is still happening for the this new set? Or did I miss a post somewhere?


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I'm excited to see what the rest of the dungeon dressing pieces will be. Like several others have stated, I've not been a huge fan of 3D props in the past. I'm hoping this time around will be different.

I'm usually a fan of Erik's choices, so I'm sure he's picked some of the more iconic and functional items in fantasy to use as representation in this set. The good thing about these props are that they can be used, as DropDeadHunter mentioned, as Mimics. So even if I don't end up using these pieces for their original intent, I'll still have six great looking Mimics.


Dungeon dressing!!! YES GAWD!!! Very exciting!!


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I'm very excited about the dungeon dressing. Especially if we get torches/candelabras, doors, chests, that sort of thing.

Nice choice on that dwarf too, I love that shield!


Erik, by any chance do any of the 6 pieces of dungeon terrain detach from their bases? It would be great if the bases contain a small peg that friction fits into the terrain piece.


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Are Irrovetti and Feiya still on track to be redone in this set still?


I'll bet they're going to leave Feiya for one of the dedicated PC sets that's due in the next few months. But it would make sense to give Irovetti a re-do here. His old figure's been consigned to our deepest dungeons long enough....


Erik, a quick question for you, since I know you follow these pages: I recently stumbled on to a mini being sold on Ebay as a Paizo promo called the Albino Wererat, clearly a repaint of the S&S Wererat. (It was a Hong Kong seller, as far as I can tell.) I've never seen these released anywhere else or for sale anywhere else. Can you tell me what's up with this mini?


Cleanthes wrote:
Erik, a quick question for you, since I know you follow these pages: I recently stumbled on to a mini being sold on Ebay as a Paizo promo called the Albino Wererat, clearly a repaint of the S&S Wererat.

This one? If it were not for the name shown on the bottom I would have thought it might be a mini somebody personalised.

Also glad to see that Dungeon Dressings won't become chase pieces.


Yup, that's the one, now in my grubby little hands :-) And the print on the bottom sure looks official, not like a custom job.

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