Year of the Sky Key

A retcon, eh? I knew about the whole Sarenrae debacle. Have there been any other retcons?

If the retcons are widespread... I wonder what's on the AP schedule...

Anyways, at some point we just have to pick a version and roll with it.

-Matt

Mattastrophic wrote:

DM Beckett wrote:

It basically kind of sounds like it's going to reward everyone equally for those Taldor only Faction Boons, so you can be playing a Chelaxian character whose personal warcry is "I hate Taldor!!!", but if that character has a Taldor character as well that is not playing, they can use that other characters Boon themselves. facepalm.

Yeah... PFS has never done a very good job at having boons interact with each other. See Season 4 7-11s and how many atonements have been used to buy the consequences away with little promise of a reckoning.

As for Taldor, I know I'm hoping for a return to the original version which was about quietly taking over Absalom and encouraging Andoran to return to the fold.

-Matt

Bolding mine. I really hope this isn't what happens. This outcome is entirely too lopsided and "all-hail-our-new-Taldan-rulers" for my tastes.

I doubt it will be. They said that all the factions are moving away from nation based to ideology based.

DM Beckett wrote:

I believe the actual Faction's name is the Society of _____.

But are you actually the Scarab Sages? :P

If they change the name we will be! (My point is that the Jeweled Sages is already a group in canon. Scarab Sages aren't, so the name's free).

That's true either way. :) I see your point, but the focus of the Faction (I think) is to find and support the Jeweled Sages, so it makes a lot more sense that the Faction would have the name of the group they are part of rather than another name that's not really established or related to the group they are part of.

But I'm bias. I hate the Scarab Sages name, and probably will switch factions on that alone. :)

It's also possible that someone might literally become one of the Jeweled Sages too, but as you said, there are no literal Scarab Sages, so who cares if you are a part of the Faction or it's possible inner council or whatever.

If others like it, that's cool, it's just not for me.

The Fourth Horseman wrote:

Mattastrophic wrote:

DM Beckett wrote:

It basically kind of sounds like it's going to reward everyone equally for those Taldor only Faction Boons, so you can be playing a Chelaxian character whose personal warcry is "I hate Taldor!!!", but if that character has a Taldor character as well that is not playing, they can use that other characters Boon themselves. facepalm.

Yeah... PFS has never done a very good job at having boons interact with each other. See Season 4 7-11s and how many atonements have been used to buy the consequences away with little promise of a reckoning.

As for Taldor, I know I'm hoping for a return to the original version which was about quietly taking over Absalom and encouraging Andoran to return to the fold.

-Matt

Bolding mine. I really hope this isn't what happens. This outcome is entirely too lopsided and "all-hail-our-new-Taldan-rulers" for my tastes.

I doubt it will be. They said that all the factions are moving away from nation based to ideology based.

Which begs the obvious question, what exactly are the Faction's goals, and what version are they going with? Anything not nationally based sounds like Qadira, Osirion, or Sczarni. More than any other Faction/Nation, this one seems like it's going to make the most fans angry whichever way they go.

The one thing I can possibly see it going is for Taldor to become the Faction of Humanity itself, but that is probably going to lead to a lot of RP and setting issues. The nation and the faction don't really have any dividing line.

Well, the faction storylines are apparently setting up season 6 changes, so if we want to guess what direction Taldor is going in, we should look to that story.

What's the story about? Building an Army of Exploration. What is an Army of Exploration? Well, it's ostensibly working for the Taldan crown, but it really seems to owe allegiance in a more practical sense to Lady G, whose goals do not align with those of the Grand Prince. You also don't have to be Taldan to join the army.

Now, this army is currently focused on the Worldwound. What happens when the crusade is over, though? Will the Army just disband? It has tenuous loyalty to the Taldan crown to begin with, so it's highly unlikely to listen to any command to disband. I also dont see Lady G giving up power that easily.

I see the underpinnings of a new neutral mercenary army faction, myself, just based on what we have seen so far.

Who knows? There could be some huge shake-up in the last couple scenarios.

Well, the faction storylines are apparently setting up season 6 changes, so if we want to guess what direction Taldor is going in, we should look to that story.

What's the story about? Building an Army of Exploration. What is an Army of Exploration? Well, it's ostensibly working for the Taldan crown, but it really seems to owe allegiance in a more practical sense to Lady G, whose goals do not align with those of the Grand Prince. You also don't have to be Taldan to join the army.

Now, this army is currently focused on the Worldwound. What happens when the crusade is over, though? Will the Army just disband? It has tenuous loyalty to the Taldan crown to begin with, so it's highly unlikely to listen to any command to disband. I also dont see Lady G giving up power that easily.

I see the underpinnings of a new neutral mercenary army faction, myself, just based on what we have seen so far.

Who knows? There could be some huge shake-up in the last couple scenarios.

I absolutely hope not. I hate it when something is a major focus and ten the next season/episode/whatever is literally hand waved away as if it was nothing. I should note that everything I have said since the episode summary above, include a small part of that, is speculation and opinion. Not official fact. So please don't take it that way. Even in the summary, I tried to differentiate what I remember being said as "this will happen" vs "we are thinking of going this way" or "it might go like this".

But that does bring me to another point I just remembered, the Pathfinder Society is no longer going to be like a military organization. The VC that offer ordering players to do things, because they didn't really ever have the authority to do so. It's going to shift back to something like, "Hey, we have this going on, and we need some cool guys to go look into it, help out, and try to get us ______ while your there. Are you up to it". A second, possibly minor PFS change is that one or more Faction Leaders, (not including Osirion likely) is going to be getting a new, specifically not human Faction Head. I'm guessing that half-orc from WotR might be the new SC, and there was a hint that in one of the scenarios (I'm thinking Glass River Rescue where the party needs to pick one or the other, or if the table can't decide those two options are coming back again for a round two), so maybe one of those annoying Dwarves for another).

So with that in mind, the new Taldor Faction probably isn't going to be another mercenary group of likeminded individuals. again, pure speculation. That would also step on the Silver Crusade's toes. Which is the problem with trying to guess what Taldor might be/become, it seems like it's going to step on another factions toes too much, unless we also see a massive change in another Faction, (kind of doubtful).

I'm not talking about what i want or think should happen. I'm looking at what we have seen and trying to extrapolate, that's all.

But I'm bias. I hate the Scarab Sages name, and probably will switch factions on that alone. :)

I agree...the name is meh.

essentially ...it would simply be The Jeweled Path
led by the sages with a variety of seekers...

The hues of the opal, the light of the diamond, are not to be seen if the eye is too near.

I'm not talking about what i want or think should happen. I'm looking at what we have seen and trying to extrapolate, that's all.

Wasn't trying to be mean if that's how you took it. I just meant that based on a few other things I hadn't mentioned from the show and like you said taking from recent scenarios (of which I have not played/read/run all), I don't think that's too likely. My guess is as good as your's though.

GM Star Replays will probably renew through a special GenCon boon, aimed at 5 Star GMs.

Is that what he said? I might have misheard, but I thought he said convention boon, not GenCon boon. So it would be possible to renew stars running at a smaller convention. He even made a point of saying the boon would specifically be limited to once per player per season. I don't have time to scan through the video. Does anyone know around what time code John talked about GM Stars? I know it was in the questions portion.

Factions will be changing a bit to more of a philosophy base rather than nation base. Osirion is going away, replaced with the Jewels Scarab Sages Faction (example given), whose focus will b about discovering lore and wisdom to be used later.

...this could become my new favorite faction...! The name doesn't bother me the way it seems to bother everybody else. Digging up ancient lore is something I find myself writing into the backstories and goals of lots of my characters.

Possibility of changing Module PP from 4 to 4.5 for slow track players.

Do you mean medium track?

It sounded like peripherally the Item Tracking Sheets are going to stay.

I personally like them. However, I always feel like a bit of an ogre when I'm telling new players that they have to do them. I have had multiple people whine about all the paperwork and extra reading they get.

(I am running a PbP right now where 4/6 players didn't have one, even though they already had at least 1xp. They all said nobody had told them before they needed it. Nobody reads the rules... (including the whole "auditing" busines).

DM Beckett wrote:

GM Star Replays will probably renew through a special GenCon boon, aimed at 5 Star GMs.

Is that what he said? I might have misheard, but I thought he said convention boon, not GenCon boon. So it would be possible to renew stars running at a smaller convention. He even made a point of saying the boon would specifically be limited to once per player per season. I don't have time to scan through the video. Does anyone know around what time code John talked about GM Stars? I know it was in the questions portion.

I heard general convention boon.

That´s correct. Not sure why I said Gencon, it should just be cons in general.

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Possibility of changing Module PP from 4 to 4.5 for slow track players.

Do you mean medium track?

He accidentally included part of the question in with the answer. Slow Track was used as an example in the question, but the answer was about the normal track.

I agree that Scarab Seekers is a bad name. It reminds me more of Animal Crossing rather than PFS. Get here you pesky beetles! Git in mah net!

The problem with Osirion is some words just end up being overused: Scarab. Ankh. Sphinx. Pyramid. Sandstone. Pharoah. Tomb. It adds to the feeling of a stereotype faction rather than a complex and nuanced organisation.

"Tahonikepsu's Dragon-Lords and Ladies, Masters of Time And Space" is a much cooler name.

Don't expect too much rebuilding for the Adv Class Guide whn the book comes out. (I thought it was odd he said "If you built a Warpriest, you are expected to rebuild and still be a Warpriest"), but they will mostly be looking at which classes count as having synergy for the rebuild rules.

Eek!

I love my Warpriest. I hope the class doesn't get changed too much =(.

Though I admit, he's an absolute powerhouse, so I guess a bit of a nerf wouldn't come as a surprise.

DM Beckett wrote:

Factions will be changing a bit to more of a philosophy base rather than nation base. Osirion is going away, replaced with the Jewels Scarab Sages Faction (example given), whose focus will b about discovering lore and wisdom to be used later.

...this could become my new favorite faction...! The name doesn't bother me the way it seems to bother everybody else. Digging up ancient lore is something I find myself writing into the backstories and goals of lots of my characters.

I'll actually go so far as to say I like it. Yes maybe its cliched or something, but another word for that is classic.

I'd much rather the Scarab Sages (Oh, look its clearly egyptian inspired) than something like Jewel Sages (So, eh people who like Jewelery?) or the Pig Sages (We, just didn't want to be cliched and use a typical egyptian animal).

;)

DM Beckett wrote:

Don't expect too much rebuilding for the Adv Class Guide whn the book comes out. (I thought it was odd he said "If you built a Warpriest, you are expected to rebuild and still be a Warpriest"), but they will mostly be looking at which classes count as having synergy for the rebuild rules.

Eek!

I love my Warpriest. I hope the class doesn't get changed too much =(.

Though I admit, he's an absolute powerhouse, so I guess a bit of a nerf wouldn't come as a surprise.

Looks like the biggest changes are:

That last one has me a little worried with regards to the 'limited rebuilds' as I'd definitely want to alter my Warpriest's ability scores in light of that change to the class.

Nefreet wrote:

DM Beckett wrote:

Don't expect too much rebuilding for the Adv Class Guide whn the book comes out. (I thought it was odd he said "If you built a Warpriest, you are expected to rebuild and still be a Warpriest"), but they will mostly be looking at which classes count as having synergy for the rebuild rules.

Eek!

I love my Warpriest. I hope the class doesn't get changed too much =(.

Though I admit, he's an absolute powerhouse, so I guess a bit of a nerf wouldn't come as a surprise.

Looks like the biggest changes are:

Warpriests no longer get Full BAB when wielding their Sacred Weapon(s)
Blessings and Fervor will be getting slightly enhanced
Charisma is no longer used by the class for any of its features

That last one has me a little worried with regards to the 'limited rebuilds' as I'd definitely want to alter my Warpriest's ability scores in light of that change to the class.

Oh. I missed the Charisma part. That's a problem for my Warpriest/Oracle who currently has an 11 Wis (planning to bump to 12 next level and never get above 2nd level Warpriest spells). When Fervor was Cha based, that didn't matter so much. Now it's kind of a big deal. Hmm...

rknop wrote:

Quote:

Possibility of changing Module PP from 4 to 4.5 for slow track players.

Do you mean medium track?

He accidentally included part of the question in with the answer. Slow Track was used as an example in the question, but the answer was about the normal track.

Let me rephrase that a bit. It's at 56 mins. They are considering changing it from 4 to 4.5 PP to help out players using the slow track that might have odd PP, because the assumption is that for 3 scenarios you should be gaining 3 Xp and 4.5 PP. I meant for the slow track in the sense of to help them out, not in the sense of only the slow track receives it.

redward wrote:

Nefreet wrote:

DM Beckett wrote:

Don't expect too much rebuilding for the Adv Class Guide whn the book comes out. (I thought it was odd he said "If you built a Warpriest, you are expected to rebuild and still be a Warpriest"), but they will mostly be looking at which classes count as having synergy for the rebuild rules.

Eek!

I love my Warpriest. I hope the class doesn't get changed too much =(.

Though I admit, he's an absolute powerhouse, so I guess a bit of a nerf wouldn't come as a surprise.

Looks like the biggest changes are:

Warpriests no longer get Full BAB when wielding their Sacred Weapon(s)
Blessings and Fervor will be getting slightly enhanced
Charisma is no longer used by the class for any of its features

That last one has me a little worried with regards to the 'limited rebuilds' as I'd definitely want to alter my Warpriest's ability scores in light of that change to the class.

Oh. I missed the Charisma part. That's a problem for my Warpriest/Oracle who currently has an 11 Wis (planning to bump to 12 next level and never get above 2nd level Warpriest spells). When Fervor was Cha based, that didn't matter so much. Now it's kind of a big deal. Hmm...

And that's the sort of thing we'll take into consideration when deciding how much rebuilding is the right amount of rebuilding to allow.

Ferious Thune wrote:

redward wrote:

Nefreet wrote:

DM Beckett wrote:

Don't expect too much rebuilding for the Adv Class Guide whn the book comes out. (I thought it was odd he said "If you built a Warpriest, you are expected to rebuild and still be a Warpriest"), but they will mostly be looking at which classes count as having synergy for the rebuild rules.

Eek!

I love my Warpriest. I hope the class doesn't get changed too much =(.

Though I admit, he's an absolute powerhouse, so I guess a bit of a nerf wouldn't come as a surprise.

Looks like the biggest changes are:

Warpriests no longer get Full BAB when wielding their Sacred Weapon(s)
Blessings and Fervor will be getting slightly enhanced
Charisma is no longer used by the class for any of its features

That last one has me a little worried with regards to the 'limited rebuilds' as I'd definitely want to alter my Warpriest's ability scores in light of that change to the class.

Oh. I missed the Charisma part. That's a problem for my Warpriest/Oracle who currently has an 11 Wis (planning to bump to 12 next level and never get above 2nd level Warpriest spells). When Fervor was Cha based, that didn't matter so much. Now it's kind of a big deal. Hmm...

And that's the sort of thing we'll take into consideration when deciding how much rebuilding is the right amount of rebuilding to allow.

If cha is no longer used for fervor, then its already covered under rebuild rules by this:

If a class, prestige class, or a class feature-dependent

ability score is altered: You may rebuild your character to
its current XP, maintaining the same equipment.

bolding mine

That's good to know. My Warpriest (at level 4) also has a Wisdom of only 12. Unless I'm playing a primary caster I usually don't bump their casting stat too much over the minimum required.

Plus, Fervor made it so you didn't take an AoO when you cast a spell, so Concentration checks have never been important to me.

If cha is no longer used for fervor, then its already covered under rebuild rules by this:

Guide to Pathfinder Society Organized Play pg27 wrote:

If a class, prestige class, or a class feature-dependent

ability score is altered: You may rebuild your character to
its current XP, maintaining the same equipment.

bolding mine

This actually usually wouldn't hold under a playtest, as *all* classes are going to be altered, but you're still expected to play the PC you did in the playtest, more or less.

This difference here is John Compton has said he is going to consider what limited rebuilds should be allowed when major changes to those classes changes things like ability score dependencies. We can only assume they'll do their best to keep our current PCs playable once this happens.

Yah, I've got 2 Warpriests, and I'm kind of stuck. I built one with decent Cha because I wanted to have some social ability, (almost mandatory for me in PFS) and for RP story reasons, and the other I built with little Cha. Can't decide (with those two) which rebuild guidelines I'd prefer.

I as well decided to go with lower wisdom on my Warpriest and focus on Cha instead.

17 Str
12 Dex
14 Con
5 Int
14 Wis
16 Cha

Ferious Thune wrote:

redward wrote:

Nefreet wrote:

DM Beckett wrote:

Don't expect too much rebuilding for the Adv Class Guide whn the book comes out. (I thought it was odd he said "If you built a Warpriest, you are expected to rebuild and still be a Warpriest"), but they will mostly be looking at which classes count as having synergy for the rebuild rules.

Eek!

I love my Warpriest. I hope the class doesn't get changed too much =(.

Though I admit, he's an absolute powerhouse, so I guess a bit of a nerf wouldn't come as a surprise.

Looks like the biggest changes are:

Warpriests no longer get Full BAB when wielding their Sacred Weapon(s)
Blessings and Fervor will be getting slightly enhanced
Charisma is no longer used by the class for any of its features

That last one has me a little worried with regards to the 'limited rebuilds' as I'd definitely want to alter my Warpriest's ability scores in light of that change to the class.

Oh. I missed the Charisma part. That's a problem for my Warpriest/Oracle who currently has an 11 Wis (planning to bump to 12 next level and never get above 2nd level Warpriest spells). When Fervor was Cha based, that didn't matter so much. Now it's kind of a big deal. Hmm...

And that's the sort of thing we'll take into consideration when deciding how much rebuilding is the right amount of rebuilding to allow.

Good to know! Thanks, as always, for paying attention to the community.

One can only imagine the havoc a particularly trigger-happy Pathfinder could inflict with a nuclear resonator or gravity rifle.

Could I instead beg for a Thunder Hammer and Storm Shield

Quote:

One can only imagine the havoc a particularly trigger-happy Pathfinder could inflict with a nuclear resonator or gravity rifle.

Could I instead beg for a Thunder Hammer and Storm Shield

Heck, there's already a Thunder and Fang feat.

-j

Hi, I'm a long-time Pathfinder player who is just starting PFS, and I have some questions that will be obvious to you, because I rarely have an internet connection.

1. Is this (August 2014-Mid 2015) the Year of the Sky Key?

2. If it is, why does no one have faction logos appropriate to YotSK (such as the Dark Archives)?

3. Is there ANY way for me to get free Pathfinder PDFs (non-torrent) on the internet?

4. Do PFS events need to be pre-registered at to attend?

Hi, I'm a long-time Pathfinder player who is just starting PFS, and I have some questions that will be obvious to you, because I rarely have an internet connection.

1. Is this (August 2014-Mid 2015) the Year of the Sky Key?

2. If it is, why does no one have faction logos appropriate to YotSK (such as the Dark Archives)?

3. Is there ANY way for me to get free Pathfinder PDFs (non-torrent) on the internet?

4. Do PFS events need to be pre-registered at to attend?

1. Yes. Each season starts at Gencon.

2. Probably because IT has had larger issues to work on. I'm sure they're coming.

3. Are you asking if you can get for free material that Paizo sells? The answer is "no". You can access the PRD to see the text of many of the major hardbacks; however, if you are using anything from a book other than the Core Rulebook, you do have to own your own copy (physical or PDF) and have it with you for reference.

4. No. Each event coordinator is free to organize the event as he/she sees fit.

Theodore Berman wrote:

Hi, I'm a long-time Pathfinder player who is just starting PFS, and I have some questions that will be obvious to you, because I rarely have an internet connection.

1. Is this (August 2014-Mid 2015) the Year of the Sky Key?

2. If it is, why does no one have faction logos appropriate to YotSK (such as the Dark Archives)?

3. Is there ANY way for me to get free Pathfinder PDFs (non-torrent) on the internet?

4. Do PFS events need to be pre-registered at to attend?

1. Yes. Each season starts at Gencon.

2. Probably because IT has had larger issues to work on. I'm sure they're coming.

3. Are you asking if you can get for free material that Paizo sells? The answer is "no". You can access the PRD to see the text of many of the major hardbacks; however, if you are using anything from a book other than the Core Rulebook, you do have to own your own copy (physical or PDF) and have it with you for reference.

4. No. Each event coordinator is free to organize the event as he/she sees fit.

Thanks for the information! I use the PRD semi-frequently, I was mainly referring to stuff like the non-playtest ACG, which I'm trying to get my hands on. But still, now I'm pretty much ready for PFS. Go Dark Archives!

I've won several books by attending Conventions. Most Conventions will let you in for free if you GM 3 or more slots. On top of that, you usually get the scenarios you're running for free.

It's a pretty sweet gig.

Asking for free versions of our PDFs via file sharing sites is incredibly rude—especially when you're asking on the publisher's website. If you want a copy of the Advanced Class Guide, you can get the PDF here, or wait for it to be released on the Pathfinder Reference Document.

Ive stopped reading a lot of forum posts on Paizo nowadays because of time constraints, but thought Id pop in here.

The fact that someone just asked where they can find free copies of publishers product on the publishers own forum is ...

amazingly appalling.

Was something deleted or did everyone miss the non-torrent part? Sound more like they where asking for free starter type things, which do in fact exist, (we be goblins, masters of the fallen fortress, etc).

Was something deleted or did everyone miss the non-torrent part? Sound more like they where asking for free starter type things, which do in fact exist, (we be goblins, masters of the fallen fortress, etc).

I was inclined to believe this as well, but they didn't say legal pdfs, but if they were wondering about legal pdfs then most of the player resources you can get for free legally don't offer anything for pfs characters.

DM Beckett: THe poster said he had been playing Pathfinder for a while. At no point did he ask for free PFS PDF'S:

3. Is there ANY way for me to get free Pathfinder PDFs (non-torrent) on the internet

Even if he is talking non torrent, hes basically asking for someone to send him a free copy of a product he hasnt paid for.

It's possible this is just confusion on what is made available for free.

The playtest ACG was a free product. The OP has stated he is particularly interested in getting the non-playtest version, and may not realise that this will not be a free product - he'll have to pay the $10 like the rest of us.

DM Beckett: THe poster said he had been playing Pathfinder for a while. At no point did he ask for free PFS PDF'S:

3. Is there ANY way for me to get free Pathfinder PDFs (non-torrent) on the internet

Even if he is talking non torrent, hes basically asking for someone to send him a free copy of a product he hasnt paid for.

Doesn't read that way to me, at all. There is also a big difference between playing Pathfinder and playing Pathfinder Society Organized Play, and as a new comer to Organized Play . . .

Hi, I'm a long-time Pathfinder player who is just starting PFS, and I have some questions that will be obvious to you, because I rarely have an internet connection.

To me it really sounds like a lot of people jumping on his/her case for trying to find out information, AND giving false information, as yes there is a place on the internet to get free PFS material.

Paizo.com

Now, I might be wrong, and maybe they are trying to steal stuff. But the whole non-torrent comment basically reads as short hand for "not illegally", and it probably would have been a lot better to ask what exactly they meant rather than risk turning someone away from the hobby. Particularly when PFS has a kind of bad rep to non-PFS players.

Matthew Pittard wrote:

DM Beckett: THe poster said he had been playing Pathfinder for a while. At no point did he ask for free PFS PDF'S:

3. Is there ANY way for me to get free Pathfinder PDFs (non-torrent) on the internet

Even if he is talking non torrent, hes basically asking for someone to send him a free copy of a product he hasnt paid for.

Doesn't read that way to me, at all. There is also a big difference between playing Pathfinder and playing Pathfinder Society Organized Play, and as a new comer to Organized Play . . .

Theodore Berman wrote:

Hi, I'm a long-time Pathfinder player who is just starting PFS, and I have some questions that will be obvious to you, because I rarely have an internet connection.

To me it really sounds like a lot of people jumping on his/her case for trying to find out information, AND giving false information, as yes there is a place on the internet to get free PFS material.

Paizo.com

Now, I might be wrong, and maybe they are trying to steal stuff. But the whole non-torrent comment basically reads as short hand for "not illegally", and it probably would have been a lot better to ask what exactly they meant rather than risk turning someone away from the hobby. Particularly when PFS has a kind of bad rep to non-PFS players.

Thanks for defending my case, especially when, as you said, you had no idea of my motives. I had no idea how much stir it would cause. My request was very rude and foolish, and it retrospect that seems obvious. I will try my best not do anything like it again. As I said, I do use the PRD, and by "non-torrent," I did not mean "not illegally" per se, but even when faced with the option of an illegal download, I did not and would not take it. The same will henceforth apply to requests for free things where they are not given, and because I could just buy the stuff anyway. I merely wish to figure out the rather imposing PFS structure, and I beg you to forgive my inadvertent (though that does not change much) mistake, however naive and insulting it may have been. I do not actually need any more resources than the PRD and the books I own, so I hope this unpleasant subject can be dropped as soon as possible.