Pathfinder Battles Preview: Short Blog, Big Dragon

Friday, February 28, 2014

WOW! Today has been so crazy busy here at the Paizo offices that I only now realized that I needed to write a preview blog for the Reign of Winter set of Pathfinder Battles prepainted fantasy miniatures! The set is scheduled for a May release, and since time is short and our web team certainly wants to get out of here before Midnight, I'm going to keep today's preview short and very, very sweet by giving you your first good look at the set's limited edition "case incentive" figure: the Gargantuan White Dragon!

The Gargantuan White looks amazing in person. Captured in mid flight, the figure is taller than other dragons we've released so far, and every bit as menacing as his case incentive cousins, the Gargantuan Blue Dragon, the Gargantuan Skeletal Dragon, and the Gargantuan Green Dragon.

As with previous case incentive figures, the Gargantuan White Dragon will be produced in extremely limited quantities as a premium for customers who preorder a case of Reign of Winter figures. Subscribers to the Pathfinder Battles line receive a substantial discount on the figure, as well, so if you haven't yet become a case subscriber, please consider doing so!

That's it for me this week. See you next Friday for more exciting miniature reveals!

Until then, I remain,

Erik Mona
Publisher

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Grand Lodge

Very cool pose on that Gargantuan White.

My votes for other Gargantuans:

Gargantuan Red. Amazingly I don't believe anyone has ever made one.

Young Tarrasque. A regular Tarrasque would be Colossal of course. But a Gargantuan one would be better than none.

Sea Serpent. Just because no one has ever made one.

Night Crawler. For the shear terror of it.


The Nightcrawler would indeed be another great and terrifying creature to get in plastic and would stay close to the Dungeon theme of that set.

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+1 To the Nightcrawler idea. There is yet to be had a gargantuan worm-type creature and the DDM nightshades were a big let down. If done right this could be one terrifying and cool mini.

I know this isn't supposed to be a dragon, but the Red Dragon is a big hole to be filled. DDM might beat Paizo to the punch though. The promo for the Tyranny of Dragons set is almost certainly going to be dragon and most likely a red or maybe even Tiamat (which would be freakin' awesome!).


Glad to hear that the next Gargantuan after Reign of Winter's White Dragon is not going to be a dragon. I like dragons but I also like variety. A skilled GM can find a use for ANY mini, maybe not immediately, but they can find a use for it. I know I cannot the only GM who was designed an encounter around a mini that they found to do a unique set-piece battle. Bring on the unusual!!

That said, that is probably the coolest (pun intended) looking Gargantuan dragon mini I have see to date.


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Sea Serpent. Just because no one has ever made one.

Tome of horrors 2 kickstarter just unveiled a sea serpent mini. Admittedly it is only large sized, but there is one.


Crag Linnorm or Shemhazian.

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I'll second roc. They seem to come up pretty regularly, and I prefer minis that have the most use.


I'm probably in a minority on this one, but I think a gargantuan plant monster of some type could be cool too. Not enough plant minis, in any format by any manufacturer.

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Alex Smith 908 wrote:
Mazra wrote:


Sea Serpent. Just because no one has ever made one.
Tome of horrors 2 kickstarter just unveiled a sea serpent mini. Admittedly it is only large sized, but there is one.

I was referring to Gargantuan in size, but I get your point. I need to check out that Kickstarter. A Gargantuan Sea Serpent could double for the Black Magga in Rise of the Runelords, an encounter I found difficult to find a proxy.

Every set after Rise of the Runelords has had something that helped fill out the ranks:

Shattered Star - Hound of Tindalos, plus the Hill Giant, Wyvern, Wrath Demon and Elementals all proved useful.

Skull & Shackles - Sea Troll

Legends of Golarion - Sandpoint Devil

Wrath of the Righteous - Slime Demons, Demonic Familiar, even Areelu or Nocticula could be useful.


My guess for next Gargantuan that's dungeon themed would have to be Tzitzimitl. There are so few gargantuans that aren't dragons, aquatic, or outsiders. Not that it couldn't be aquatic or an outsider but not really dungeony.

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While a Roc would be cool it is essentially a large bird. The Ruhk may be a better option, it's essentially a two headed vulture like bird. We also have a huge Roc from the more recent DDM line, and to tell the truth I've found this perfectly suitable, but then I've never been a real stickler for size once you get to large and above. It's number 39

There are really only two gargantuan plants in the bestiaries to date - the Bodytheif (a venus flytrap like plant with a toothier maw and tentacle like branches) and the Zomok(a very cool but dragon like plant). Both would be nice to have eventually - especially the zomok.

The Tzitzimitl would make a great mini if they mastered the clear purple plastic to add the cool misty lightning effect.

I think I'll still champion the Shemhazian since I think this will make an incredible mini. The nightcrawler, as I said before could be awesome if it uses transparent plastic cleverly.

I personally would be happy to see colossal "downsized" to gargantuans. The chances of a colossal mini are very slim and really the difference when you drop it on the table is nothing. It's still going to impress, still larger than the players, and still takes up a big chunk of a map. This would open up the incentives to include some truly awesome creatures (tarrasque, behemoths, mu-spore etc) and I don't think a lot would be lost. They could push the limits of colossal much like they do with the larges at the moment (I'm looking at you elementals and gug)


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I think I'll still champion the Shemhazian since I think this will make an incredible mini.

That is a great visual, the artwork. I imahine it would be a great figure. I would have no issue buying it. :-)


A gargantuan roc is needed, but gargantuan are so limited. I think I'd rather knock out all the really cool stuff first. I also feel the lack of plant monsters. There needs to be more of them, but a gargantuan isn't where I'd start.

Personally I want a gargantuan red dragon asap


jimibones83 wrote:

A gargantuan roc is needed, but gargantuan are so limited. I think I'd rather knock out all the really cool stuff first. I also feel the lack of plant monsters. There needs to be more of them, but a gargantuan isn't where I'd start.

Personally I want a gargantuan red dragon asap

ASAP may be upwards of a year from the way things are looking and based on Mr. Mona's comments. Agreed on knocking out the really cool stuff first though, So that would be Pretty much everything that isn't a Dragon, followed by the Red Dragon. Sorry but Dragon have become so common in PPM and in this game that they have lost their cool status.


Leo_Negri wrote:
jimibones83 wrote:

A gargantuan roc is needed, but gargantuan are so limited. I think I'd rather knock out all the really cool stuff first. I also feel the lack of plant monsters. There needs to be more of them, but a gargantuan isn't where I'd start.

Personally I want a gargantuan red dragon asap

ASAP may be upwards of a year from the way things are looking and based on Mr. Mona's comments. Agreed on knocking out the really cool stuff first though, So that would be Pretty much everything that isn't a Dragon, followed by the Red Dragon. Sorry but Dragon have become so common in PPM and in this game that they have lost their cool status.

so are you saying you wish they wouldn't have done this white dragon and instead would have done something else?

I disagree. I think dragons are awesome, especially when done as well as this one. I don't have a gargantuan red and I'm holding out until paizo offers one of their own.


It's a shame my party already killed Vegsundvaag in my Jade Regent campaign. This literally is picture perfect.

Icingdeath was a good stand in though.


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With my first post, I just wanted to say that this dragon looks amazing. I do worry about it being top heavy, as others have stated. Both my Gilbrileth's (sp?) from Wrath of the Righteous came broken off their bases, supposedly because they are top heavy. While some glue took care of the problem, it was still frustrating to see. Also, there were several reports that the Deskari figure some people received was broken off the base. Mine was alright, but I'd have been upset if it, too, was off the base.

As for the Dragon looking up, I actually like it. I'm glad that every dragon is not in the air, and I'm happy that many look down. But truth be told, I'm thrilled we actually get one that isn't just looking down at the ground. Half the dragon fights I've been in have included somebody flying up to face that dragon. I like that this mini reflects that type of fight.

I have two Icingdeaths from the D&D PPM line, and they are pretty cool looking. But I think between the in-flight pose and the straight-ahead stare, I actually like this sculpt better. My other favorite pose from the Pathfinder dragons is the gargantuan green dragon. I know some weren't pleased with the more crouched position, but I thought it actually made sense, as the green dragon is more one would find in the forest.


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I am in agreement that Dragons have not lost their cool status, nor likely ever will. Part of that is likely because their current market is not saturated with horrible representations in movies or other media. Sure, you get a Game of Thrones dragon or three, a Hobbit dragon and a bunch of animated cuties in the How To Train Your Dragon movie, but they weren't done a disservice to the species.

What has lost its cool factor, in my opinion, are the common undead, most notably Vampires and Zombies. ZZZZZZzzzzzz.

It will be interesting to see whether Witches and Dinosaurs will receive the same sort of attention Vampires and Zombies have, what with the success of American Horror Story: Coven and the forthcoming Jurassic Park flick.

As for actual PPMs, just because there are plenty doesn't make them less cool. I admit it would be nice to actually have more than just the five chromatics; why keep adding more and more to each Bestiary if you aren't going to represent them as miniatures. In my experience, while many DM's usually don't limit themselves to using monsters only represented by miniatures, the one exception to that practice is often dragons.

Anyways, I don't think the dragon will become uncool anytime soon. But I do agree that for the next Gargantuan miniature we get--especially in what sounds like a dungeon-ish type theme, there are far better choices.

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Just gotta jump in here to second the tzitzimitl. That creature is sick and wrong and I love it.


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Speaking of choices, I put this together back in December, and I thought it might come in handy for those looking to give input on the next Gargantuan selection.

It reads like this:
Name of creature - Alignment & Type of creature (subtype) - CR of creature (location in the Bestiary).

*For the location, the first part names the book it is found in, with B1 = Bestiary 1, B2 = Bestiary 2, B3= Bestiary 3 and B4 = Bestiary 4. The second number is the page on which the creature can be found. It's just the name of the beast itself, so it is possible that for some of these creatures, the actual illustration is found on the following page.

*I did not include any of the main dragon lines. There are a few with the Dragon type in here, but those are more one-off types, not grouped dragons like the metallics or primals.

*These are only from the four Bestiary books. There are some gargantuan-sized creatures found in Adventure Paths and other source material that haven't made it into a Bestiary, but I chose not to include those in this list. I think I got them all, but please feel free to add to it if I did miss any. I didn't include any creature that could become gargantuan with an added template, these are only from the actual listed monsters.

*If there are two locations, it means that in the first or second Bestiary, stats were provided but no picture was given. In most of these cases, the second location will have the actual picture of the creature.

I hope this helps everyone as sort of a quick reference guide:

Bestiary 1:
Great Forest Centipede – N Vermin – CR 6 (B1-43)
Great Reef Crab – N Vermin – CR 10 (B1-50)
Dire Crocodile – N Animal – CR 9 (B1-51)
Brachiosaurus – N Animal – CR 10 (B1-81)
Tyrannosaurus Dinosaur – N Animal – CR 9 (B1-86)
Kraken – NE Magical Beast (aquatic) – CR18 (B1-184)
Crag Linnorm – CE Dragon – CR 14 (B1-190)
Neothelid – CE Aberration – CR 15 (B1-214)
Phoenix – NG Magical Beast – CR 15 (B1-227)
Purple Worm – Magical Beast – CR 12 (B1-230)
Roc – N Animal – CR 9 (B1-236)
Giant Emperor Scorpion – N Vermin – CR 11 (B1-242/B4-232)
Sea Serpent – N Magical Beast (aquatic) – CR 12 (B1-244)
Dire Shark – N Animal (aquatic) – CR 9 (B1-247)
Giant Tarantula – N Vermin – CR 8 (B1-258/B2-256)

Bestiary 2:
Charybdis – CN Aberration (aquatic) – CR 13 (B2-56)
Sawback Cockroach – N Vermin – CR 9 (B2-58)
Olethrodaemon, Daemon – NE Outsider (daemon, evil, extraplanar) (B2-70)
Shemhazian, Demon – CE Outsider (chaotic, demon, evil, extraplanar) CR 16 (B2-80)
Tylosaurus, Dinosaur – N Animal – CR 8 (B2-91)
Vampire Jellyfish – N Vermin – CR 14 (B2-170)
Nightcrawler, Nightshade – CE Undead (extraplanar, nightshade) – CR 18 (B2-200)
Red Wyrm Ravener – CE Undead (fire) – CR 22 (B2-230)
Giant Anaconda – N Animal – CR 10 (B2-252)
Banshee Solifugid – N Vermin – CR 15 (B2-253)
Thunderbird – N Magical Beast – CR 11 (B2-264)
Giant Snapping Turtle – N Animal – CR 9 (B2-273)
Whale – N Animal – CR 10 (B2-282)
Xacarba – CE Outsider (chaotic, evil, extraplanar) – CR 15 (B2-288)

Bestiary 3:
Bandersnatch – N Magical Beast – CR 17 (B3-32)
Clockwork Goliath – N Construct (clockwork) – CR 19 (B3-54)
Spinosaurus – N Animal – CR 11 (B3-79)
Akvan, Div – NE Outsider (div, evil, extraplanar) – CR 20 (B3-84)
Grootslang – CE Magical Beast – CR 16 (B3-144)
Jinushigami, Kami – N Outsider (earth, kami, native) – CR 20 (B3-160)
Cairn Linnorm – CE Dragon – CR 18 (B3-182)
Fjord Linnorm – CE Dragon (aquatic) – CR 16 (B3-183)
Basilosaurus, Megafauna – N Animal – CR 12 (B3-193)
Plasma Ooze – N Ooze – CR 16 (B3-220)
Siren’s Bed Anemone – N Vermin (aquatic) – CR 9 (B3-238)
Sea Bonze – NE Undead (aquatic) – CR 15 (B3-239)
Deep Sea Serpent – N Magical Beast (aquatic) – CR 19 (B3-240)
Simurgh – NG Magical Beast – CR 18 (B3-245)
Tzitzimitl – NE Undead – CR 19 (B3-276)

Bestiary 4:
Argus – LN Aberration (mythic) – CR 13/MR 6 (B4-13)
Barometz – N Plant – CR 15 (B4-16)
Bodythief – LE Plant – CR 14 (B4-20)
Flesh Colossus – N Construct (colossus, mythic) – CR 16/MR 6 (B4-35)
Guardian Dragon – N Dragon (aquatic, mythic) – CR 24/MR 10 (B4-146)
Irminsul – CN Plant (extraplanar, mythic) – CR 17/MR 7 (B4-158)
Juggernaut – N Construct – CR 11 (B4-162)
Rukh – N Magical Beast – CR 10 (B4-228)
Emperor Walrus – N Animal – CR 8 (B4-271)
Warsworn – NE Undead – CR 16 (B4-272)
Zomok – N Plant (extraplanar) – CR 16 (B4-287)


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This list has all the same info as the one above, but is listed by Type. This might make it easier for some of you who are looking up a specific Type of creature.

Gargantuan List – Sorted By Monster Type

Aberration:
Neothelid – CE Aberration – CR 15 (B1-214)
Charybdis – CN Aberration (aquatic) – CR 13 (B2-56)
Argus – LN Aberration (mythic) – CR 13/MR 6 (B4-13)

Animal:
Dire Crocodile – N Animal – CR 9 (B1-51)
Brachiosaurus – N Animal – CR 10 (B1-81)
Tyrannosaurus Dinosaur – N Animal – CR 9 (B1-86)
Roc – N Animal – CR 9 (B1-236)
Dire Shark – N Animal (aquatic) – CR 9 (B1-247)
Tylosaurus, Dinosaur – N Animal – CR 8 (B2-91)
Giant Anaconda – N Animal – CR 10 (B2-252)
Giant Snapping Turtle – N Animal – CR 9 (B2-273)
Whale – N Animal – CR 10 (B2-282)
Spinosaurus – N Animal – CR 11 (B3-79)
Basilosaurus, Megafauna – N Animal – CR 12 (B3-193)
Emperor Walrus – N Animal – CR 8 (B4-271)

Construct:
Clockwork Goliath – N Construct (clockwork) – CR 19 (B3-54)
Flesh Colossus – N Construct (colossus, mythic) – CR 16/MR 6 (B4-35)
Juggernaut – N Construct – CR 11 (B4-162)

Dragon:
Crag Linnorm – CE Dragon – CR 14 (B1-190)
Cairn Linnorm – CE Dragon – CR 18 (B3-182)
Fjord Linnorm – CE Dragon (aquatic) – CR 16 (B3-183)
Guardian Dragon – N Dragon (aquatic, mythic) – CR 24/MR 10 (B4-146)

Magical Beast:
Kraken – NE Magical Beast (aquatic) – CR18 (B1-184)
Phoenix – NG Magical Beast – CR 15 (B1-227)
Purple Worm – Magical Beast – CR 12 (B1-230)
Sea Serpent – N Magical Beast (aquatic) – CR 12 (B1-244)
Thunderbird – N Magical Beast – CR 11 (B2-264)
Bandersnatch – N Magical Beast – CR 17 (B3-32)
Grootslang – CE Magical Beast – CR 16 (B3-144)
Deep Sea Serpent – N Magical Beast (aquatic) – CR 19 (B3-240)
Simurgh – NG Magical Beast – CR 18 (B3-245)
Rukh – N Magical Beast – CR 10 (B4-228)

Ooze:
Plasma Ooze – N Ooze – CR 16 (B3-220)

Outsider:
Olethrodaemon, Daemon – NE Outsider (daemon, evil, extraplanar) (B2-70)
Shemhazian, Demon – CE Outsider (chaotic, demon, evil, extraplanar) CR 16 (B2-80)
Xacarba – CE Outsider (chaotic, evil, extraplanar) – CR 15 (B2-288)
Akvan, Div – NE Outsider (div, evil, extraplanar) – CR 20 (B3-84)
Jinushigami, Kami – N Outsider (earth, kami, native) – CR 20 (B3-160)

Plant:
Barometz – N Plant – CR 15 (B4-16)
Bodythief – LE Plant – CR 14 (B4-20)
Irminsul – CN Plant (extraplanar, mythic) – CR 17/MR 7 (B4-158)
Zomok – N Plant (extraplanar) – CR 16 (B4-287)

Undead:
Nightcrawler, Nightshade – CE Undead (extraplanar, nightshade) – CR 18 (B2-200)
Red Wyrm Ravener – CE Undead (fire) – CR 22 (B2-230)
Sea Bonze – NE Undead (aquatic) – CR 15 (B3-239)
Tzitzimitl – NE Undead – CR 19 (B3-276)
Warsworn – NE Undead – CR 16 (B4-272)

Vermin:
Great Forest Centipede – N Vermin – CR 6 (B1-43)
Great Reef Crab – N Vermin – CR 10 (B1-50)
Giant Emperor Scorpion – N Vermin – CR 11 (B1-242/B4-232)
Giant Tarantula – N Vermin – CR 8 (B1-258/B2-256)
Sawback Cockroach – N Vermin – CR 9 (B2-58)
Vampire Jellyfish – N Vermin – CR 14 (B2-170)
Banshee Solifugid – N Vermin – CR 15 (B2-253)
Siren’s Bed Anemone – N Vermin (aquatic) – CR 9 (B3-238)


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Some thoughts on a Gargantuan miniature:

--It sounds to me like the set Erik is asking opinions about will be more of a straightforward dungeon-dwelling and/or adventuring theme.

--For me, I would hope the Gargantuan miniature that is ultimately chosen makes sense to the overall theme of the set.

--This automatically rules out many creatures I'd ultimately LOVE to see as miniatures, but just don't fit this particular theme. I still hope that most of these creatures will somehow see the light of day, but I'd rather that day be later on down the road.

--The biggest subset of creature this removes from (my) consideration is the flying creature. While smaller creatures can be found in dungeons, I sort of lose respect or interest in a dungeon if we make it to the big boss guy and he's some sort of flying beast. Demons are a bit different (planar travel is cool), but after just getting a line with so many demons in it, I don't feel the need to spend a precious gargantuan slot on one.

--These means that while I'd love to someday see a Gargantuan Roc, Phoenix, or even Rukh, I'll wait until a aerial-themed adventure line comes along.

--If you look at the list, there are also plenty of animals on it. While I'd love a gargantuan-sized Crocodile, Snapping Turtle, Snake or other animal that is of perfect scale, a majority of the creatures can be found elsewhere. I suggest checking Safari Ltd., Papo, and Schleich for any animal needs. Are they of perfect scale? Most definitely not. But most of them are very well made/detailed, won't cost an arm & a leg, and can easily be put on a base. Don't rule out a trip to the toy store to find a gargantuan figure, either, as you never know what you'll find.

--One more reason NOT to choose an animal is that while it does provide more versatility for the average campaign, it's much easier to stop off at the toy store and purchase a slightly off-scale Great Whale than it would be to find a creature that looks like an Aberration or Magical Beast.

--I see that a Roc is a popular choice. I would love my voice to be heard that a Roc would indeed be nice to have, but I can make do with many of the super-sized birds that are provided by other companies (as toys). If you ever do an Animal-heavy line, though, the Roc is my choice for a Gargantuan.

--In my opinion, lower CRs are generally better than higher ones, simply because they provide more versatility for the average DM and game. I love high-level campaigns, but most of the ones I've sat down to play in don't seem to get past level fifteen.

--Vermin types make more sense than the Animal type for a dungeon-heavy line, but large, oversized bugs are not impossible to find, either. And again, while I love the idea of a Gargantuan Tarantula or Scorpion to scale with the other minis, a trip to the toy store (or the Amazon website) might be more beneficial (and cheaper).

--Erik has stated that artwork found in the source materials is a huge factor on the choices he makes. I have no doubt that this applies to the gargantuan size, too. However, because this is a case-incentive and thus one of the focal pieces to lure a consumer into purchasing an entire case, I'm going to guess this isn't QUITE as important as it is for the smaller sizes. So with this in mind, my choices will indeed take the artwork into consideration, but it will most likely be the tie-breaker as opposed to an actual requirement.

--I feel like many people have got it right when they talk about versatility. I like when I see ideas that suggest a particular choice could be used as several different types of monster. I also versatility in other areas is important. Can other miniatures from previous lines be used in concordance with the Gargantuan to create interesting and desirable situations?

--Additionally, versatility nullifiers will be taken into consideration with my choices. This touches on my previous post about animals. While a gargantuan spider could probably be utilized in any campaign, in my opinion that versatility is slightly negated by the fact that I can find an alternative more easily than, say, a Tzitzimitl.

--I'd be surprised if there is a stronger supporter of getting more plant creatures out there than I am. Heck, in my main home campaign, I DM for a botanist (talk about pressure). I feel like Plant-type creatures are undervalued by many on boards and in some campaigns, but I'm actually fairly surprised by the amount of campaigns I've been in that use them with some frequency. There are few things more versatile than a plant. Some species can be found in dry, dusty areas, while others are more forest-bound. In a world where magic exists, it's not too much of a stretch to believe that plants can kill. I mean, plants can kill in our own mundane, muggle world.

Despite my love for all things Plant-based in a fantasy tabletop game, I agree with the sentiment from a fellow plant-loving board member that the gargantuan slot is not ideal to bring them in. There are a handful of cooler-looking Colossal-sized plant creatures that I'd rather have. But more importantly, the best looking artwork and most interesting of all the different types of Plant creatures are found in the Huge category. If anyone is interested, I'll post my list of all the Huge Plant creatures with page numbers, etc. I think you'll find that they could do a special Huge-Sized pack of Plants that could actually sell rather well.

--Finally, count me out on the request for downgrading from a Colossal size to a gargantuan size. If a company is going to take the time to actually make a Tarrasque or Cthulhu, it makes little sense to downgrade the size. There are so few Colossal creatures found in all four Bestiaries that producing one per year as sort of a yearly anniversary edition isn't too far-fetched. I don't know how much the Colossal Red Dragon was when it came out, but I won't think twice about dropping $100 or more on a Tarrasque miniature of that size. Once you root out all the Colossal-sized animals that can also be found in toy stores for much cheaper, the list isn't as extensive as one might think. If Paizo decides never to do it, so be it--that is up to them. I'll just wait on another company to make them, or make my own with a 3D printer. But please, DON'T downgrade a size just so we can have a cool miniature of that creature. There are already plenty of cool Gargantuan creatures that deserve to see the light of day.

--I know this seems like many things to take into consideration, but with the lines themselves slowing down to allow more consumers to afford them, the gargantuan-slot is more precious than ever.


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The scale on this one is perfect for a Dire Croc, if anyone is after one.

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00112ASYO/ref=oh_details_o09_s00_i02?ie=U TF8&psc=1


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Lorian wrote:

The scale on this one is perfect for a Dire Croc, if anyone is after one.

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00112ASYO/ref=oh_details_o09_s00_i02?ie=U TF8&psc=1

Thanks! I'm always on the hunt for the perfect Animal-based miniature. This one is nice and cheap, too.


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My Top Three choices for a Gargantuan Miniature:

Top Choice: Neothelid – CE Aberration – CR 15 (B1-214)
→This creature’s potential representation in miniature form screams versatility. This giant purple aberration dwells deep in the depths and has become a legend. While other, smaller creatures have adapted more quickly, the Neothelid is so large and powerful that he would rule a dungeon and/or a cave. What would scare a group of PC’s more than reaching the bottom of a huge cave or dungeon, only to find this thing rearing up and staring (sort of) down at them? More importantly, in the Bestiary description it claims the Neothelid is “served by all manner of strange worm-like creatures, minions they use to serve and wage war against their enemies.” Seriously, what creature sounds more adept at ruling over a huge underground lair or old dungeon than this one? Even more importantly for those who have been collecting PPMs for the last decade or more, this gives you added versatility for those old Purple Worms from the DDM line. I realize that in Pathfinder, the Purple Worm is a gargantuan creature. But if you’ve got a Neothelid ruling over your underground terrain, with other worm-like creatures serving it, you’ve suddenly got a recently to whip out the old purple worm. (The miniature, people...get your minds out of the gutter). Oh, and speaking of the Purple Worm, this is large enough and purple enough that it could pass as one, or at least some sort of mutated variation. If you need even more versatility, try using it as a gargantuan plant creature of some sort, as it’s head has a bit of a petal-like look to it.

Second Choice: Nightcrawler, Nightshade – CE Undead (extraplanar, nightshade) – CR 18 (B2-200)
→As others have mentioned, my interest in a Nightcrawler would be based on how well it is sculpted and the materials used. This creature brings versatility in several ways. In a pinch, this cool looking creature can fill in as some sort of big vermin. Just as important, the description given in the Bestiary says it doesn't just stay down in the depths, but will crawl up and out into the world to bring devastation to those in the night. Sometimes my players will start to get overconfident, and traverse the land even at night. I'd really love to send this guy their way at the twilight of dusk, just as my heroes were growing cocky. He's high enough of a CR that he can be pulled out late in a campaign, but because of the Vermin-like appearance, I would feel comfortable altering the stats and bring him about much earlier. And of course, he'd look wonderful dwelling the depths down in a dungeon. Provided this creature is crafted well, I'd love to see him make it into a set.

Third Choice: Shemhazian, Demon – CE Outsider (chaotic, demon, evil, extraplanar) CR 16 (B2-80)
→I’ve seen this guy mentioned a couple times already. I agree the artwork is really cool. I wouldn’t be disappointed if this guy were to become the next gargantuan; I can see him sort of roaming a dungeon as the master’s pet. His stats indicate he’s not really smart enough to be the leader of a dungeon or lair, but he’s obviously evil and carnal enough that his blood thirst more than makes up for his lack of intelligence. Despite being an outsider, he can equally serve as an Aberration of some sort, and definitely looks like one. I’m also a bit tired of demons after WotR. But as a completest, I wouldn’t object to getting one step closer to having all the demons.


Agreed on all these 3 as well as a Shoggoth candidate for a gargantuan ooze/slime like horror. Though i believe the Shemhazian demon to be the best looking candidate for a Gargantuan case incentive,as based on his artwork, he features a lot of detail on his body that would make the miniature a lot more interesting.

The Nightcrawler and Neothelid artworks from the books make them a little more challenging to create as miniatures as they are not detailed enough but they would be great if done right.


Wait a minute, where the heck is my garg T-rex?!


Is there an Pathfinder RPG Monster Archive where we can specific the monster we're looking for via size (aka like Fine or Colossal)? Just wondering.


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Berselius wrote:
Is there an Pathfinder RPG Monster Archive where we can specific the monster we're looking for via size (aka like Fine or Colossal)? Just wondering.

I'm not sure. If there is, I haven't found one. The Pathfinder OGC is pretty extensive, but I can't find a way to organize the monsters by size.

If you're interested, I have lists for every size of Pathfinder creature found in the four Bestiaries. I haven't included any of the other source materials.


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How about an Erik Mona gargantuan miniature?


Lol, pigraven that shoulda came with a bookmark. I'm glad you liked my idea of a colossal sized anniversary promo once a year though. But the question is, what does Erik Mona think about it?


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Glutton wrote:
Wait a minute, where the heck is my garg T-rex?!

Right here!

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B004I2CICO/ref=oh_details_o09_s00_i03?ie=U TF8&psc=1


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Lorian wrote:
Glutton wrote:
Wait a minute, where the heck is my garg T-rex?!

Right here!

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B004I2CICO/ref=oh_details_o09_s00_i03?ie=U TF8&psc=1

Do you happen to have this guy? I noticed he is 8+ inches long. As long as I can mount him (hehe) on a four inch base I'm good. Are his legs close enough together to where I can mount him? (*Sigh* I just can't win with my words tonight..)

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Pigraven wrote:
Lorian wrote:
Glutton wrote:
Wait a minute, where the heck is my garg T-rex?!

Right here!

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B004I2CICO/ref=oh_details_o09_s00_i03?ie=U TF8&psc=1

Do you happen to have this guy? I noticed he is 8+ inches long. As long as I can mount him (hehe) on a four inch base I'm good. Are his legs close enough together to where I can mount him? (*Sigh* I just can't win with my words tonight..)

I have this guy:

http://www.amazon.com/Tyrannosaurus-Colors-May-Vary-Green/dp/B000KO7QK8/ref =pd_sim_t_3?ie=UTF8&refRID=125T80DMCE5N088FF2CF

His feet fit on a 4" base...but the tail overs hangs a bit. It is really stable so there is no need to mount him...uhh...unless you are into that sort of thing I guess. He looks great btw.


jimibones83 wrote:
Leo_Negri wrote:
jimibones83 wrote:

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Personally I want a gargantuan red dragon asap

ASAP may be upwards of a year from the way things are looking and based on Mr. Mona's comments. Agreed on knocking out the really cool stuff first though, So that would be Pretty much everything that isn't a Dragon, followed by the Red Dragon. Sorry but Dragon have become so common in PPM and in this game that they have lost their cool status.

so are you saying you wish they wouldn't have done this white dragon and instead would have done something else?

I disagree. I think dragons are awesome, especially when done as well as this one. I don't have a gargantuan red and I'm holding out until paizo offers one of their own.

If the Dancing Hut had been feasible, absolutely. The White Dragon was an 11th hour swap and that's fine. I personally am fond of it, but it has no where near the cool factor that the Dancing Hut had. No other Gargantuan creature is really appropriate as a sub in this case.

That said I, yes, I would prefer some of the more esoteric Gargantuan critters before we see another dragon - Bandersnatch, Neothelid, Nightcrawler, the Shemhazian, one of the 3 or 4 Gargantuans in the Inner Sea Bestiary, or even a down scaled Colossal (Only way I suspect we'll ever see a Titan, Spawn of Rovagug or Kaiju)


What a gorgeous dragon!


I agree that the hut was awesome and hopefully we get the chance to get it again. Dragons are in all my campaigns though, which is why I'd like to knock them out right away.

Im of the same opinion as pigraven when it comes to sizing down a colossal to gargantuan though. I feel that would be a smack in the face lol. They should just make a colossal anniversary promo once a year, or however they can get them to us


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Pigraven wrote:
Lorian wrote:
Glutton wrote:
Wait a minute, where the heck is my garg T-rex?!

Right here!

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B004I2CICO/ref=oh_details_o09_s00_i03?ie=U TF8&psc=1

Do you happen to have this guy? I noticed he is 8+ inches long. As long as I can mount him (hehe) on a four inch base I'm good. Are his legs close enough together to where I can mount him? (*Sigh* I just can't win with my words tonight..)

Sure do. I have him planted on a 4 inch base and his feet are perfectly spaced.

He of course hangs over, but like many animals he's the long size of gargantuan rather than squat.

He's not a perfect match, but he's very very close.


These T-rexs make for great cheap gargantuans. Might i ask, what do you use for 4 inch bases, i always have a hard time with finding bases when making custom miniatures.


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A big thanks to both Lorian and The Hanged Man for your info on the T-rex figures. I like a bit of hangover off the bases with my gargantuan and Colossal miniatures. That goes double for the long size creatures. While scale is important to me, in the end the point of the miniature is to make the combat a bit more fun. Thus it makes more sense to me to error on the big side.

Does anybody else have any suggestions for Animal or Vermin gargantuan or colossal miniatures?


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Infernalslayer wrote:
These T-rexs make for great cheap gargantuans. Might i ask, what do you use for 4 inch bases, i always have a hard time with finding bases when making custom miniatures.

I usually just use a firm foam base. It doesn't scratch up the gaming mat but it doesn't go slip-sliding away, either. I suggest a trip to your local crafting store (Jo-Ann's, Michaels, etc.) to pick up some other possible ideas.


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I ordered some custom laser cut plastic 2mm thick discs on ebay from a seller.

As for other monsters, these all worked well for me at correct sizes:

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0073RFP6C/ref=oh_details_o00_s00_i00?ie=U TF8&psc=1

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0073RJRZM/ref=oh_details_o00_s01_i00?ie=U TF8&psc=1

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0012N6IEG/ref=oh_details_o00_s02_i00?ie=U TF8&psc=1

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0032O8Q3E/ref=oh_details_o09_s00_i01?ie=U TF8&psc=1

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00112ASYO/ref=oh_details_o09_s00_i02?ie=U TF8&psc=1

The Brachiosaurus doesn't fit perfectly, but 3 out of 4 feet fit on the base, and he's stable. Beside, he's supposed to be super long.

The triceratops is just a bit too big, but he looks nice and he stick out at a height above the player minis, so it's not troublesome. It's not a big difference anyhow.

To clarify, the triceratops, ankylosaurus and stegosaurus are huge, not garb, but it seemed relevant to the matter at hand.

Erik specifically said they don't intend to make dinosaurs, so it's a safe one to make do with ourself since it's unlikely to get made later on.


I've seen a few suggestions for a cube... Please, Eric, NO! I never understood the appeal of cubes to begin with, but what could possibly be more boring than a 4x4 plastic cube? Nothing. Nothing could possibly be more boring. I won't buy it and if humanity has any redeeming quality left, you won't sell more than 5 of them.


Brocimus wrote:
I've seen a few suggestions for a cube... Please, Eric, NO! I never understood the appeal of cubes to begin with, but what could possibly be more boring than a 4x4 plastic cube? Nothing. Nothing could possibly be more boring. I won't buy it and if humanity has any redeeming quality left, you won't sell more than 5 of them.

I'll buy 6

Jk jk lol. What do you mean by cube? Do you mean an ooze? Id like a large and a huge ooze, but I'd be disappointed if our gargantuan was used up on an ooze


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Brocimus wrote:
what could possibly be more boring than a 4x4 plastic cube? Nothing. Nothing could possibly be more boring.

An invisible stalker?

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Extremely nice lists Pigraven. I laid the same for huge awhile back and if I recall Erik stated that dinosaurs and animals are unlikely to make it, too many other toy proxies etc to make it viable. May also have applied to vermin but I don't recall clearly. With that in mind you can probably cut the list down immensely, around 28 maybe?.

Also I'd just like to say...Shemhazian! It WILL be cool!


The Shemhazian would certainly be cool, as many have suggested, but Erik said no more demons for a while due to so many in wrath of the righteous. Maybe he'll make an exception for a gargantuan though


I think what Erik said was more along the lines of demons not being a high priority for a while, cannot find the quote right now, though.


Yeah, tomato tamoto

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