The Mythic Side of Golarion

Darkorin wrote:

brad2411 wrote:

Looks great. I did think the Whispering Tyrant would be higher CR but I shall be happy to have his stats. YAY

Yeah I do agree with that... I mean... The Whispering Tyrant was almost a threat to Aroden, right? I would have expected him to be at least level 20 and MR8... kind of disappointed...

A level 20 MR 8 lich would only be CR 25.

Level 20 human necromancer = CR 19
MR 8 = +4 CR
Lich template = +2 CR

Total CR for that version of Tar-Baphon would be CR 25.

I'm a little surprised Tar-Baphon isn't getting the +1 CR for exceptional resources/etc., considering his various artifacts (like his nice hat) and his presumably significant equipment.

I said based on, not identical.

And I have read several descriptions where he is described as "massive". Not sure if they are accurate, though.

Well, in CoC and the original story by Long he's extremely corpulent, but seated he's not much bigger than an adult human. Not every GOO is kaiju sized. I think massive is on a human, i.e., size of a lion or so scale. So we're looking at most at a Large creature in PF terms.

I'm a little surprised Tar-Baphon isn't getting the +1 CR for exceptional resources/etc., considering his various artifacts (like his nice hat) and his presumably significant equipment.

Maybe being locked up in Gallowspire limits his access to stuff like that? He'd have as much as he had with him when he was first sealed, but unless he's been able to create new stuff in the meantime, he won't have had much chance to improve.

A little bummed that there has never been any mention of a truly mythic, hall of fame swordsman in Golarion or even the history of Golarion beyond Sirian Aldori ... and again, melee types seem to get the shaft by first appearances with this seemingly great product.

We're supposed to get - Tar Bapohn (arcane caster), Jatembe (arcane caster), Arazni (arcane caster), Kortash Khain (arcane & divine caster), Dark Comet (monster type), Oliphaunt of Jandelay (monster type) ... so that's 6 of the 9 characters and/or creatures in this saucy product.

Then, add on the fact that the chances are pretty good we'll be getting Geb to go along with the Arazni entry, and now you're looking at 7 of 9. Of course, maybe Geb won't be included.

I think the bias currently comes from the fact that we have a detailed list of Mythic casters thanks to Inner Sea Magic so the authors have something to go off of. It's quite possible the list of living and current Mythic martial NPCs is still being locked down for Inner Sea Combat. The most well-recognized Mythic martials currently known are mostly dead and gone, such as Savith, and I seriously doubt Paizo is going to stat up historical characters.

Maybe we'll get a sequel to Mythic Realms down the road if it sells well (hint, hint everyone please buy this) and then they'll be able to draw from the list done up for Inner Sea Combat.

A little bummed that there has never been any mention of a truly mythic, hall of fame swordsman in Golarion or even the history of Golarion beyond Sirian Aldori ... and again, melee types seem to get the shaft by first appearances with this seemingly great product.

Need Sirian the First or some badass swordsman ... we already have a multitude of arcane casters!! [Runelords, Arazni, Tar Baphon, Jatembe, Queen Abrogail, Queen Telandia ... the list goes on]

There's also Setsuna Kuga, the Perfect Swordswoman, though that's Tian Xia and not the Inner Sea. Not sure if she's considered mythic, though.

The Oliphant and the Dark Comet aren't statted anywhere, and they are able to get stats. So I don't see why martials need to have Inner Sea Combat to be statted up.

I was mythic once.

I got better...

There are many ways for a caster to shake this world (as well as others). Not so many for a martial :-(

Well, all the ascendant gods (Iomedae, Irori, etc) likely went through a mythic phase.

In the case of Irori it is particularly interesting since he didn't use the Starstone. That would be worthy of a full write-up I think.

The Oliphant and the Dark Comet aren't statted anywhere, and they are able to get stats. So I don't see why martials need to have Inner Sea Combat to be statted up.

With regards to the Oliphaunt, it has been mentioned a few times and is now a well-known part of the world lore. That's more what I meant. I don't think the creative team has entirely settled on the world lore surrounding mythic martials just yet (though not sure how far into development Inner Sea Combat is so perhaps it's all finally down on paper at this point).

As for the Dark Comet, I will give you the fact that this is mythic character with no previous world lore. On the other hand, since we don't know anything about Raskineya yet, the Dark Comet may in fact be a martial. Or a cleric. Or a monster.

It could even be a boat! You know how long we've always wanted one of those!

What am I, chopped liver?

Mythic chopped liver?

Mythic Swedish chopped liver?

That's kinda redundant, right?

Re: Mythic Martial characters, I'd love to see Savith show up. Lady lopped the head off an evil god! That's gotta meet some requirements!

Yeah, Savith, Aldori, and Setsuna are some prime candidates for Mythic Martials.

Also, I really do want some liver right now...

Mmm, mythic liverwurst...

It could even be a boat! You know how long we've always wanted one of those!

Curses! The surprise is ruined!

In the case of Irori it is particularly interesting since he didn't use the Starstone. That would be worthy of a full write-up I think.

Ditto Nethys and Urgathoa, who also earned divinity before the big divine candy dispenser landed in Absalom.

It's interesting that that Nethys' ascension nearly broke him, and Urgathoa's ascension changed the world, while the Starstone kids seemed to have a smoother transition (both for them and the world).

Then again, Irori's ascension seems to have gone pretty smooth, and it's arguable that both Cayden Cailean and Norgorber have some pretty serious personality issues / Greek-god-level character flaws as a result of their Starstone ascensions, which leads the question as to what sort of divine PTSD Iomedae has managed to keep under the lid...

on a random note, am I the only one who reads "The Mythic Side of Golarion" and immediately thinks of "The Softer Side of Sears"

Ditto Nethys and Urgathoa, who also earned divinity before the big divine candy dispenser landed in Absalom.

It's interesting that that Nethys' ascension nearly broke him, and Urgathoa's ascension changed the world, while the Starstone kids seemed to have a smoother transition (both for them and the world).

Urgathoa's ascension changed the universe -- she's an ancient, non-local deity.

Come to think of it, Lamashtu's ascension broke something basic too, permanently altering the relationship between animals and sapient creatures on a cosmological level.

Set wrote:

Ditto Nethys and Urgathoa, who also earned divinity before the big divine candy dispenser landed in Absalom.

It's interesting that that Nethys' ascension nearly broke him, and Urgathoa's ascension changed the world, while the Starstone kids seemed to have a smoother transition (both for them and the world).

Urgathoa's ascension changed the universe -- she's an ancient, non-local deity.

Come to think of it, Lamashtu's ascension broke something basic too, permanently altering the relationship between animals and sapient creatures on a cosmological level.

There's something profoundly tragic and sad, in-universe, in that her ascension ended humans as a part of the wild as opposed to something separate and dominating. Her greatest foe should be the Green Faith.

This essay basically encapsulates a take on this problem.

Is there a Mythic Bestiary in the works, as well?

Check out Legendary Games' new Mythic Monsters line...

Well, all the ascendant gods (Iomedae, Irori, etc) likely went through a mythic phase.

In the case of Irori it is particularly interesting since he didn't use the Starstone. That would be worthy of a full write-up I think.

Ooooh! Nice one. Gotta head over to dicefreaks and see of they stat up any of those...

I have to agree with the Epic rules being wonky.

I just flipped through some old Dragon magazines and had a look at an epic level statblock.

It was in the Ecology of the Titan article (I forget which issue), just pure insanity with that one. They had statted up Cronus, the titan from Greek mythology. If I remember correctly, he was CR 56, 1500+ hp, AC 60+, DR 23/-, 4 attack with an almost 100 attack bonus on each attack and he had a +15 colossal glaive and a +20 breastplate.

That's kind of the thing with epic, a lot of the time higher level just meant bigger numbers. Mythic gives a much better feel of epicness than the epic rules ever did.

Yup mythic does high level better than TSR/WOTC ever did...they did indeed just add more numbers...1 pit fiend??? NO! 25 pit fiends cuz yer so l33t now...my players really prefer mythic to my old TSR high level stuff...GO PAIZO!!!

So far the only thing I care about in the mythic book is the new art, especially Kyra with her hair down.

Is there a Mythic Bestiary in the works, as well?

I'm pretty sure that Bestiary 4 is going to cover some of that, what with stats for Kaiju, Grendel, and Great Old Ones and the like.

And with The Great Cthulhu itself on the cover... I am SO having a hard time waiting for that book.

I'm thinking that GOOs are going to be Mythic. I will add the standard qualifier that could very well be wrong, however.

So far the only thing I care about in the mythic book is the new art, especially Kyra with her hair down.

I have to admit that I didn't recognize her at first. I was freaking out a bit at Gen Con trying to figure out who she was until someone pointed out that it's Kyra ... then I felt a bit silly. :)

Hmm, I think we may just have gotten ninja confirmation of another one of the 10 Mythic individuals detailed in Mythic Realms.

Someone (Starsunder, I believe) asked James on his ask anything thread if we'll be seing stats for Kyton Demagogues, Asura Ranas, or Ahriman anytime soon.

James replied with "No", "No", and "wait till next month" respectively.

This feels likes an indication that Ahriman is going to be one of the 10.

Weak search fu, sorry, but didn't James Jacobs mention somewhere, that Lord Gyr of House Gixx is a mythic rogue?

Ruyan.

EDIT: Found it.

I'm thinking that GOOs are going to be Mythic. I will add the standard qualifier that could very well be wrong, however.

They might be just CR 26-30. I think Mhar is supposed to be about CR 27, and when somebody asked James what Hastur's CR was he said 29 (and noted that yes, it was indeed an oddly-specific response...).

KestlerGunner wrote:

JATEMBE! YES!

I *love* this dude! There's only one human badass capable of defeating any foe barefoot, and that's Jatembe!

Gets even more badass when he took on a seriously nasty ant-themed foe while barefoot.

Cause srsly, that's just asking for pain.

And that same foe was tied into the Door to the Red Star! Been waiting a while for more on that!

Maybe this book will give us a bit more information about that.