Sanctioning Adventure Paths for Pathfinder Society

Monday, December 10, 2012



Adventure Paths are the staple item here at Paizo. Since the inception of Pathfinder Society Organized Play, some people have wanted to play the Adventure Paths and receive credit for their Pathfinder Society characters. This is one of the few bullet-list items I have been trying to figure out since I arrived 15 months ago. The release of the Shattered Star Adventure Path and its close ties to the Pathfinder Society made it even more imperative that we find a way to include Adventure Paths in sanctioned Organized Play. We feel it's the right thing to do, both from a business perspective and as a way of making even more material available for event organizers and players who've gone through what we already produced and are chomping at the bit for more.

Over the past few months, we have dedicated a large percentage of our weekly Pathfinder Society meetings to make sure we have the best formula for as seamless a fit as possible in sanctioning Adventure Paths. We could not find an easy solution to allow play through an entire Adventure Path, or to easily port a character in and out of a specific volume of an Adventure Path. With the feedback of our Venture-Officers, we think we have a system that can appeal to the widest audience.

The solution we've landed on is treating one section of a Pathfinder Adventure Path volume like a module. It would generally be played over one to three sessions, and grant 3 XP, 4 PP, and a level-dependent amount of gp. An example you will find on the first Chronicle sheet is from the first installment of Rise of the Runelords, Burnt Offerings. When you play through areas C1 through E10 of Thistletop, your GM may assign you the Chronicle sheet for Burnt Offerings.

If possible, all players must use an existing Pathfinder Society character (without modification) within 1 level of the starting level of the sanctioned content from a Pathfinder Adventure Path. In the example used above for Burnt Offerings, you would use a 3rd-, 4th-, or 5th-level character.

For Adventure Path content below 9th level, if you do not have a character in the correct level range, you may use a Pathfinder Society pregenerated character or the Iconics found in the NPC Codex. If you play a 1st-level pregenerated character, you may apply the credit from that character to a newly created character of your very own, with the gp gained reduced to 1,398 gp (or 699 gp for slow advancement track characters). If you play a non-1st-level pregenerated character, you may apply the credit to your character as soon as she reaches the level of the pregenerated character played. Equipment listed on the pregenerated character sheet may only be sold to clear conditions, such as death, during the play of the module and any remaining wealth does not carry over at the end of the module.

Alternatively, if you are participating in a Pathfinder Adventure Path with an ongoing home group undertaking the entire campaign, you may receive credit for playing the sanctioned portions of the adventure as if you had played a pregenerated character. In this case, GMs running the Adventure Path are not bound to the rules of the Pathfinder Society Organized Play campaign when running the campaign or the sanctioned portion of the adventure. Pathfinder Society characters and characters from an ongoing Adventure Path campaign may not play in the same adventure.

If a character dies and is brought back to life, the GM must determine the rewards for that character. The minimum possible reward is 0 gp, 1 XP, and 1 PP on the medium advancement track or 0 gp, 1/2 XP, and 1/2 PP on the slow advancement track. If a character participates in more than two-thirds of the sanctioned content of an Adventure Path, she should receive the full rewards. GMs and active players are encouraged to hasten the return of any characters waiting to be raised from the dead.

Players who do not complete each game session earn 1/3 fewer gp, 1 fewer XP, and 1 fewer Prestige Point for each session missed. This also applies to players who join later sessions; they receive 1/3 fewer gp, 1 fewer XP, and 1 fewer Prestige Point for each session missed. In both cases, players earn a minimum of 1/3 gp, 1 XP, and 1 Prestige Point.

As always, each player may receive credit for each sanctioned Adventure Path volume once as a player and once as a GM, in either order. Players must accept Chronicle sheets for their characters the first time they play any sanctioned content. A player may replay a sanctioned Adventure Path at the GM’s discretion, but the player may not receive more than one Chronicle sheet per adventure. The only exception is Tier 1–2 sanctioned Adventure Path content. A player may only play a Tier 1–2 sanctioned Adventure Path for credit once with a 2nd-level character, but may use additional 1st-level characters to replay the same content for credit.

Since sanctioned Adventure Paths can be multi-session events, a Pathfinder Society character may not be used in other Pathfinder Society events until the character receives a Chronicle sheet for the Adventure Path volume. GMs are advised to work with players who miss the final session of the module or AP in order for those players to receive their Chronicle sheets.

The data entry system has already been updated to include all 10 of the current sanctioned Adventure Path volumes. Data is entered into our reporting system in the same manner as sanctioned modules. You receive credit toward GM stars the same as sanctioned modules.

The Guide to Pathfinder Society Organized Play, Version 4.3, scheduled for release next month, will update Chapter 6 with all info about sanctioned Adventure Paths and how they work within Pathfinder Society.

Initially, we are only sanctioning Rise of the Runelords Anniversary Edition and Shattered Star Adventure Paths. If those are well received, we will consider sanctioning other Adventure Paths in the future. You can find the rules for running these in Pathfinder Society Organized Play and the Chronicle sheets on their respective product pages.

We are excited with the solution that this not only expands normal Pathfinder Society play options, but also increases play opportunities past 12th level. We hope that this will also allow players who enjoy our Adventure Paths, but have not yet experienced Pathfinder Society, to give our organized play a try.

We understand there are a lot of very strong opinions among the player base about whether we should sanction Adventure Paths and how they should be implemented. We value your opinions and look forward to reading your thoughts about the exciting new play options we have introduced today. With your input, we can make Pathfinder Society better for all.

Mike Brock
Pathfinder Society Campaign Coordinator

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Mark Moreland wrote:
Luckily we release a new AP volume every month, so there shouldn't be a need to repeat anything, as there's always more unplayed content coming out :D

Touché. But still, nerds tend to be completionists. This isn't an undocumented phenomenon.

Scarab Sages 5/5

Last week we had what we had. This week we have more. I'm very happy with our campaign staff meeting goals instead of the usual "It's coming when we get the time". Great job Mick Block and Marc Marelynd!

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Tarrintino wrote:
I was able to download the rules for running the Shattered Star AP's under PFS, but I'm having problems downloading the AR's for the Shattered Star AP Chronicles. Are you aware of any issues with downloading these materials at this time?

It should be fixed in a few minutes.

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Mark Moreland wrote:
If we forbade item crafting in the Rise of the Runelords AP, for example, no one could complete the 5th installment of the campaign.

Until I got to this part I was thinking that you could have just allowed the player/GMs to choose if they played a scenario between different parts of an AP.

Just cut the AP Part into multiple Chronicles and if a group decides to pull out without finishing that is up to them, this would allow for the option to play the entire campaign using PFS rules if you wanted but also allow those players to just play parts if they choose to.

But The quote above reminded me many APs have things in them that don't work well in them for PFS Strict rules to include Item Crafting and such so it may not be possible to run an entire AP using PFS rules.

5/5

If I'm reading this correctly, I can start offering "Game Days" only running Thistletop (areas C1–E10) and telling players to bring their 3-5 level characters and just run it like any other module?

5/5

I second Kyle's question. I was LITERALLY about to ask about that. We have a lot of players who are interested in that here in St. Louy. ;)

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Kyle Baird wrote:
If I'm reading this correctly, I can start offering "Game Days" only running Thistletop (areas C1–E10) and telling players to bring their 3-5 level characters and just run it like any other module?

Yes

Liberty's Edge 1/5

I had another question, just wanted to make sure I'm reading it properly.

Per the rules, you can run your own home game and receive credit in PFS as if playing a pregen. So for Shattered Star that means you can only get credit for Shards of Sin and Curse of the Lady's Light because pregens can't be played in The Asylum Stone and beyond, correct? Or is it intended to still be able to gain credit, just with the "hold or reduce" rule?

-Michael

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Dragnmoon wrote:

... APs have things in them that don't work well in them for PFS Strict rules to include Item Crafting and such so it may not be possible to run an entire AP using PFS rules.

Also Dragnmoon, if a group wanted to run through an entire AP using PFS rules, there is nothing to stop them from doing so, except the GM saying no. They just would not be able to use PFS legal Chronicle sheets or report/track the entire AP on Paizo.com.

The GM could create their own Chronicle sheets, fill out a tracking sheet for each session and maintain a database tracking each session if desired. The only difference from actual PFS play would be that the characters would not be legal for actual PFS play. But if they were all playing through an entire AP, it really wouldn't matter.

As for any parts of an AP that would not work under PFS ... the GM has complete control and could edit that part or tweak the PFS rules to accommodate the AP.

So for all the work Mark would need to go through, it's just not a logical area on which to focus development time.

The Exchange 4/5

I think this is an excellent way to introduce players to PFS Though there are a couple things I'd like to note.

For already entrenched PFS players, these APs will likely be run as normal campaigns, with PFS player's applying "pregen credit" to characters they already have. I believe this is brilliant and elegant in it's execution.

For PF players that we want to introduce into PFS, it's a little tricker. I'd have liked to see the beginning sanctioned as a Tier 1-2. "hey try this out, here's your first chronicle" Probably not hugely important however.

Overall I think this is an excellent way to handle these, and I hope future adventure paths follow suit. I love playing higher levels it becomes a crazy game of crazy superpowers, but it's really fun :D

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Michael Madison wrote:

I had another question, just wanted to make sure I'm reading it properly.

Per the rules, you can run your own home game and receive credit in PFS as if playing a pregen. So for Shattered Star that means you can only get credit for Shards of Sin and Curse of the Lady's Light because pregens can't be played in The Asylum Stone and beyond, correct? Or is it intended to still be able to gain credit, just with the "hold or reduce" rule?

-Michael

That is correct. You can use a pregen found for download HERE or in the iconic section of the NPC Codex.

For the 9th+ level content, you will need to play your PFS character, or if you receive the Chronicle from home play, hold the CHronicle until your PFS character is that level.

Silver Crusade 2/5

Mike, are you going to theme it with Pathfinder Society's season? For example since we have been romping about Varsaria, it makes sense to release Rise of the Rune Lord and Shattered Star. Now if in Season Five we are mucking about the River Kingdoms (Crossing fingers) we will get King Maker. Or if Season Five takes us to Tien (which makes perfect sense) it would allow the Jade Regent to be opened up. Please don't open them all at once!

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Don Walker wrote:
Dragnmoon wrote:

... APs have things in them that don't work well in them for PFS Strict rules to include Item Crafting and such so it may not be possible to run an entire AP using PFS rules.

Also Dragnmoon, if a group wanted to run through an entire AP using PFS rules, there is nothing to stop them from doing so, except the GM saying no. They just would not be able to use PFS legal Chronicle sheets or report/track the entire AP on Paizo.com.

There's also the problem that running the entire campaign on PFS rules doesn't really help you much with the unsanctioned portions of the AP. You will have to step in and out of PFS rules if you're running the whole thing.

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Ill_Made_Knight wrote:
Mike, are you going to theme it with Pathfinder Society's season? For example since we have been romping about Varsaria, it makes sense to release Rise of the Rune Lord and Shattered Star. Now if in Season Five we are mucking about the River Kingdoms (Crossing fingers) we will get King Maker. Or if Season Five takes us to Tien (which makes perfect sense) it would allow the Jade Regent to be opened up. Please don't open them all at once!

It depends on several factors. One is feedback on how these are received. If they aren't well received, we may not pursue future sanctioning of APs. Also, we may not go back and sanction 3.5 APs due to rules differences.

We want to evaluate if these add or detract from Organized Play, and then evaluate where we go from there.

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Michael Brock wrote:

That is correct. You can use a pregen found for download HERE or in the iconic section of the NPC Codex.

For the 9th+ level content, you will need to play your PFS character, or if you receive the Chronicle from home play, hold the CHronicle until your PFS character is that level.

To clarify: I play a home game of RotRL with home rules, all the way through the AP. I get a chronicle for each of the books and apply it to MyPFS#-73. Burnt Offerings and Skinsaw Murders get applied at level 4, since that's the level of the pregen I could have played them with. The other four chronicles function more like GM credit, in that they get applied at levels 8, 12, 14, and 16, based on their tier. Meanwhile the GM of the home game can apply BO and SM at levels 3 and 4, since they aren't limited by pregen rules.

If I'm right, and I think I am, that's going to lead to a lot of confusion. I might recommend just applying all home game chronicles the way you would GM credit, which is to say, at the lowest level of that tier.

When the new Guide comes out, it will have an entire chapter devoted to sanctioned AP play, right? I feel like trying to cram it into another section will just lead to mass bafflement.

Liberty's Edge 2/5

I will test it with my players, I'm currently running part 3 of ROTR...

Great job guys!


Mark Moreland wrote:
We tried to come up with a way that someone could play their PFS character in both scenarios and APs and the sanctioning of entire books didn't allow for that. It meant that a PC could get several levels worth of experience from a scenario in between AP sessions and then be too high level for the next part in the ongoing story.

This is exactly what I was wondering about when the idea was first bruited. The answer makes sense to me.

Grand Lodge 5/5

Sanctioned APs work just like sanctioned modules so Chapter 6 in the PFS Guide is being expanded to include them.

I would guess that when you apply a Chronicle sheet for a sanctioned AP segment that is beyond the level 7 pregen rules, that you can apply it to any PC that falls within the Tier of that segment. So when holding a a Chronicle until a PC reaches that level, it would be applied as soon as the PC reaches the lowest level of the Tier. Just like GM credit.

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Don Walker wrote:

Sanctioned APs work just like sanctioned modules so Chapter 6 in the PFS Guide is being expanded to include them.

I would guess that when you apply a Chronicle sheet for a sanctioned AP segment that is beyond the level 7 pregen rules, that you can apply it to any PC that falls within the Tier of that segment. So when holding a a Chronicle until a PC reaches that level, it would be applied as soon as the PC reaches the lowest level of the Tier. Just like GM credit.

There are going to be so many threads asking for clarification.

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Patrick Harris @ SD wrote:
Don Walker wrote:

Sanctioned APs work just like sanctioned modules so Chapter 6 in the PFS Guide is being expanded to include them.

I would guess that when you apply a Chronicle sheet for a sanctioned AP segment that is beyond the level 7 pregen rules, that you can apply it to any PC that falls within the Tier of that segment. So when holding a a Chronicle until a PC reaches that level, it would be applied as soon as the PC reaches the lowest level of the Tier. Just like GM credit.

There are going to be so many threads asking for clarification.

Mike knows what he's gotten himself into.

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You apply Chronicles just like GM credit, when playing these with anything other than a PFS character.

It is why I am updating the Guide 4.3 to include this info in chapter 6.

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In my home campaign, we use 30pt buy gestalt characters with playtest mythic tiers and an 8-man party. I can still get PFS credit as though I'd used a pregen, right?

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Neutral Barbarian wrote:
In my home campaign, we use 30pt buy gestalt characters with playtest mythic tiers and an 8-man party. I can still get PFS credit as though I'd used a pregen, right?
Blog wrote:
Alternatively, if you are participating in a Pathfinder Adventure Path with an ongoing home group undertaking the entire campaign, you may receive credit for playing the sanctioned portions of the adventure as if you had played a pregenerated character. In this case, GMs running the Adventure Path are not bound to the rules of the Pathfinder Society Organized Play campaign when running the campaign or the sanctioned portion of the adventure. Pathfinder Society characters and characters from an ongoing Adventure Path campaign may not play in the same adventure.

4/5 5/5

Huzzah! We can change the name of the "Special Event" PFS Track for Dreamation to its proper name.

1/5 **

Michael Brock wrote:
However, offering retroactive credit is a slippery slope I just didn't want to go down.

Hey Mike:

Some scary guys from the mixed metaphor secret police are here to talk to you... ;-)

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bugleyman wrote:
Michael Brock wrote:
However, offering retroactive credit is a slippery slope I just didn't want to go down.

Hey Mike:

Some scary guys from the mixed metaphor secret police are here to talk to you... ;-)

I know retroactive credit would be difficult, but if we can hit that bullseye, the rest of the dominoes will fall like a house of cards. Checkmate!

The Exchange 4/5

idk it seems pretty clear to me.

Two Options -

Play all PFS characters for that portion of the AP

OR

Play a Normal home game however you'd normally play.

Both Result in each participant (player/gm) getting a chronicle sheet when you finish the section.

A)At the time you get this chronicle sheet if you played a PFS character through the AP section it is applied to that character.

OR

B)If you did not play a PFS character you choose one of your PFS characters to apply the sheet to. That sheet is applied when the character reaches the minimum level listed on the Chronicle sheet.

If the rest of the group played PFS characters, and you Played a Pregenerated Character Follow option B.

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Michael Brock wrote:

You apply Chronicles just like GM credit, when playing these with anything other than a PFS character.

It is why I am updating the Guide 4.3 to include this info in chapter 6.

Oh, sweet! That's a lot easier to work with.

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bugleyman wrote:
Michael Brock wrote:
However, offering retroactive credit is a slippery slope I just didn't want to go down.

Hey Mike:

Some scary guys from the mixed metaphor secret police are here to talk to you... ;-)

Did they bring beer?

Liberty's Edge 5/5

This is so awesome! Every time I start getting burnt out on PFS play you guys hit me with something new and even more awesome!

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Art Lobdell wrote:

Huzzah! We can change the name of the "Special Event" PFS Track for Dreamation to its proper name.

So is the "Special Event" Rise of the Rune Lords or Shatterd Star?

Nate

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Mike,

Does the reporting section of events reflect players who are receiving fractional PP?

What I mean is when I report a Rise of the Runelords session, how do you want us to report players who recieve, say, 1 and 1/3 PP. Will the system know that and change it to fractions or are we going to need to put in decimals?

Nathan

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Hmmmmm. Okay, I am excited. It's not what I was expecting, which I probably should have been expecting (... or something), but I dig it. It's a good way of balancing the various interests involved.

Makes me want to get into a home game ASAP. ;)

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Nathan King 788 wrote:

Does the reporting section of events reflect players who are receiving fractional PP?

What I mean is when I report a Rise of the Runelords session, how do you want us to report players who recieve, say, 1 and 1/3 PP. Will the system know that and change it to fractions or are we going to need to put in decimals?

Unless you're using the slow track, fractional PP will never occur (and even then, only halves). Where are you getting 1/3 PP from?

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Nathan King 788 wrote:

Mike,

Does the reporting section of events reflect players who are receiving fractional PP?

What I mean is when I report a Rise of the Runelords session, how do you want us to report players who recieve, say, 1 and 1/3 PP. Will the system know that and change it to fractions or are we going to need to put in decimals?

Nathan

Put in decimals. It is the same reporting method as used for Sanctioned Modules.

5/5

Understood, thanks for the clarification!

Grand Lodge 4/5

I'm probably a bit thick, but where are the sheets? Are they up yet?

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Thomas Graham wrote:
I'm probably a bit thick, but where are the sheets? Are they up yet?

Rise of Runelords

Shattered Star, part 1

Shattered Star, part 2

Shattered Star, part 3

Shattered Star, part 4

Shattered Star, part 5

Liberty's Edge 2/5 *

If it isnt too much to ask or duplicating locations, could you guys please put these AP's in the Pathfinder Society products section of the website now that they are playable?

Thankyou

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Matthew Pittard wrote:

If it isnt too much to ask or duplicating locations, could you guys please put these AP's in the Pathfinder Society products section of the website now that they are playable?

Thankyou

Already requested.

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Michael Brock wrote:
Thomas Graham wrote:
I'm probably a bit thick, but where are the sheets? Are they up yet?

Rise of Runelords

Shattered Star, part 1

Shattered Star, part 2

Shattered Star, part 3

Shattered Star, part 4

Shattered Star, part 5

Thank you for being kind to one of the Monday impaired

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Jiggy wrote:
bugleyman wrote:
Michael Brock wrote:
However, offering retroactive credit is a slippery slope I just didn't want to go down.

Hey Mike:

Some scary guys from the mixed metaphor secret police are here to talk to you... ;-)

I know retroactive credit would be difficult, but if we can hit that bullseye, the rest of the dominoes will fall like a house of cards. Checkmate!

*head explodes*

4/5 5/5

Natertot wrote:
Art Lobdell wrote:

Huzzah! We can change the name of the "Special Event" PFS Track for Dreamation to its proper name.

So is the "Special Event" Rise of the Rune Lords or Shatterd Star?

Nate

Shattered Star!

2/5

On the Pathfinder Society page in my account it says,

Quote:
Participating in Pathfinder Society Organized Play allows you to connect with a large, worldwide community.

I think this move goes a long way to inviting AP players into the worldwide community of PFS Organized Play.

My background is mostly tied into doing Adventure Paths. For a variety of reasons, they just appealed to my players and I more than running loosely-connected PFS scenarios. Those reasons included the deeper plots of the APs, ability to use optional rules (we love hero points and the crit deck) and allowing the GM to change up the encounters (we often make them more challenging than written).

While I am now heavily involved in PFS play, I still know many in my area who are not, most of them for the above reasons. The two camps (PFS and AP) here in Utah are very separate, and few people cross those bridges.

I applaud these changes because they give some very good incentives and ways for both PFS and AP focused players to 'see how the other side lives.' People in APs can now work towards and build their PFS legal character while playing their APs, and heavy PFS players (many of whom I know are running out of scenarios to play) now have a new selection of dungeons and adventures lifted straight from the APs. My hope is that this initiative will get both camps to try out full play of the other variety!

4/5

Natertot wrote:
Art Lobdell wrote:

Huzzah! We can change the name of the "Special Event" PFS Track for Dreamation to its proper name.

So is the "Special Event" Rise of the Rune Lords or Shatterd Star?

Nate

Nate check the Warhorn for it soon. You'll get the details there once they're inputted.

4/5

Mike and Mark--any chance you can take the secret stuff out of the description of the sihedron amulet in the first chronicle sheet? It seems like a pretty big spoiler to receive so early in the AP. I know I would be very upset if my players saw that.

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Michael Brock wrote:
Matthew Pittard wrote:

If it isnt too much to ask or duplicating locations, could you guys please put these AP's in the Pathfinder Society products section of the website now that they are playable?

Thankyou

Already requested.

The Sanctioned APs now show in the PFS products section.

3/5

I am looking forward to running some of these now. You can't beat more content

The Exchange 5/5 RPG Superstar 2010 Top 16

So, here's my question. It has to do with the responsibility of Game Masters:

Let's say I'm running aShattered Star home campaign. The party consists of a wizard, a distance ranger/rogue, an alchemist, and a bard, all rolled at 4d6-drop-the-lowest. So, I modify the encounters, as a GM is supposed to. I put in treasure the party needs, I tailor the encounters to my party's strengths, etc. If somebody's PC dies, a replacement shows up a level or two below the rest of the party and catches up. (If somebody is missing for a session, the encounters get easier, of course.)

Then we get to one of these PFS set pieces. Obviously, we'll have to use the "home campaign" option. We'll run the set piece as normal for my group, and then I'll give them Chronicle sheets for some other PFS characters.

So, my question is: how much freedom do I have, running those encounters? Do I follow the PFS "don't mess around with things, just present the encounters as they are" rule? Or do I keep adjusting things for my players?

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For a home game, you adjust things that best fit your home group.

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