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Okay, I love medieval fantasy and all of its stylistic trappings, but hot damn do those uniforms look snazzy.
I am very much for to be wanting the Andoran book, especially if there are any other fantasy twists that have been made to famous pieces of American Revolutionary War artwork to be seen. That river-crossing painting is just class.
Down with Brat-Queen Abrigail btw
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Down with Brat-Queen Abrigail btw
Those exact words were spoken 9.9 seconds before this scene occured.
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Those exact words were spoken 9.9 seconds before this scene occured.
Love the 'George Washington crossing the Delaware' vibe to that picture.
Down with Brat-Queen Abrigail btwThose exact words were spoken 9.9 seconds before this scene occured.
It's Andoran's fault for being too goody-two-shoes to summon terrors from beyond time and space to do their bidding. Their enemies were not too wussy to do it.
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It's Andoran's fault for being too goody-two-shoes to summon terrors from beyond time and space to do their bidding. Their enemies were not too wussy to do it.
Ah, but you see my friend, Andoran needs none of these things, for the awesome power of Aziz the Great (whom they have successfully kept out of the country for the past 15 years due to various crimes Aziz was very obviously wrongly accused of) supports all Andoran causes from hither to thither. And he does it without stepping on the tender, easily offended toes of all the other factions!
"Who is Aziz the Great? What's so good about him?" You might ask? Why, It is he who is known as I! And I am Aziz, and I am great!
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Truth, Freedom, Democracy and War on Chelaxian Terror - that's what Andoran is all about ! And it wants YOU to fight for Freedom and Truth against Terror and Evil ! Join NOW !
Your foolish Chicken Knights in their silly coats are NO match for steel-clad, glorious Chelaxian Hellknights! And since when has Cheliax been about Terror and Evil? Our citizens are well-fed and HAPPY to serve the Eternal Empire, the Jewel of Golarion, and our beloved Majestrix!
Come and see it yourself... I hereby formally invite you to visit me in Westcrown, and I'll GUARANTEE that you'll NEVER want to leave! ;P
(*scrambles to search for his 'Geas'-scrolls*)
Love the 'George Washington crossing the Delaware' vibe to that picture.
"vibe"? I don't think "vibe" quite covers it.
:)It's awesome. And a hell of a lot more than a vibe.
:)
The uniforms are distracting, if you ask me. I'm all for experimenting with style, but they clash with the rest of the setting. Too clearly ripped from the Revolutionary War.
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The uniforms are distracting, if you ask me. I'm all for experimenting with style, but they clash with the rest of the setting. Too clearly ripped from the Revolutionary War.
I like the uniforms. They make it instantly clear that someone is a member of the Eagle Knights and visually reinforces the pomposity and arrogance of the organization.
The uniforms are distracting, if you ask me. I'm all for experimenting with style, but they clash with the rest of the setting. Too clearly ripped from the Revolutionary War.
Er ...
Like Ustalav is clearly Transylvania?
Or Osirion is clearly Egypt?
Or Qadira is clearly Arabia?
Or the Land of Linnorm Kings is clearly Minnesota? (Ok, maybe not that one.)
The point is, Andoran is clearly Successful Revolution Land and is therefore based on the American Revolution and any of the myriad successful French Revolutions. (Galt would be the analog for the not-so-successful ones.) In providing a place in Golarion for all campaign types, we borrowed plenty of real-world analogues to make those places easier to identify with and more appealing to players who like that type of environment.
Clearly, you're not interested in a Revolution-themed campaign, so Andoran doesn't appeal to you. It appeals to me, I'm sure it appeals to a bunch of other people as well, so deriding it with a throw-away "clearly ripped off" assertion is not only insulting but it's not the case AT ALL. "Ripped off" indicates malice or thievery. The Eagle Knights are revolutionaries and we gave them a real-world analogue appearance in their garb and traditions. That was a design choice--not a theft.
While I like the successful rebellion, non monarchy country, the 18th century-era uniforms just don't work for me. With the sole exception of perhaps being naval uniforms, I fail to see how ostentatious uniforms make up for the practicality of armor. I hope the Andorans employ a great deal of magical firepower b/c infantry-infantry & cavalry-cavalry, they're going to get their backsides handed to them.
Okay, I was careless with my language and I apologize for that. "Inspired by" would have been a better choice.
But my opinion remains the same, despite the fact that other areas have been inspired by real world analogs. Perhaps because they are more classical D&D mixes and to me are "two great tastes that taste great together". I see the Galt/Andoran design choices "two great tastes that taste weird together".
Apologies rendered, opinion stated, I'll leave it alone.
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I don't have a problem with Andoran => Revolutionary America. One can imagine a democracy in pseudo-medieval world (Switzerland, anyone ?), and the whole "eagles of freedom" drift meshes rather well, for me at least. It's not the best country idea in Golarion for me (honor goes to Cheliax, followed by Hermea and Geb) but it's also a far cry from the worst (Alkenstar...).
But the uniforms... big no. We already have deep medieval styles (Varisia) co-existing with renaissance styles (Cheliax ?) and that's straining the limit, but suddenly dumping XVIII-century lookalikes really does rise an eyebrow. Remember that "apes vs. british colonials" art in Campaign Setting ? It's kind of the same. It just feels out of space, place and time.
Absolutely love the uniforms. They may not be "middle ages," but a lot in the World's Most Popular Fantasy Roleplaying Game has been clearly inspired by other eras, and really, the only thing that damages my suspension of disbelief tends to be overtly modern, (i.e. the current century) intrusions.
Even then, super science ray guns and stuff that come from aliens still work for me. Go figure.
Ah, but you see my friend, Andoran needs none of these things, for the awesome power of Aziz the Great
That sounds made up. Did your mother call you that?
"Little Aziz the Great, go wash and then come in, dinner's ready!"
"Little Aziz the Great, you must eat up all your spinach and beets or you we'll go to the priest and have you renamed Aziz the Scrawny"
Like Ustalav is clearly Transylvania?Or Osirion is clearly Egypt?
Or Qadira is clearly Arabia?
No way! You fooled me! And I thought it was all sounding to familiar!
Newsflash for everyone: Golarion is not in the middle ages. It's not in the dark ages. It's not in modern time, or Renaissance, or anything else in our world.
It's in the Age of Lost omens, nearing the 5000th year the way Absalom counts the years.
I'm forever amused by the fact that no one bats an eye to the fact that monsters from Greek mythology are seen in the same world as monsters from contemporary urban legends, critters from Asia and all parts of Europe, and don't forget wizards and priests and elves and hobb.. I mean, halflings.
Nobody cares.
But mix clothing from one age with clothing from another, and people are sharpening their pitchforks.
Golarion is inspired by our world. Loosely so. It is not a carbon copy of our world. Why should everything, or even anything, follow the same timeline as here. Is there any reason we cannot have 18th-century-maritime-uniforms-looking clothing at the same time as middle-ages-plate-looking armour? Other than "it wasn't like this in our world"?
Give me one good reason (other than "I don't like it") why this shouldn't be in a made-up world.
Newsflash for everyone: Golarion is not in the middle ages. It's not in the dark ages. It's not in modern time, or Renaissance, or anything else in our world.
It's in the Age of Lost omens, nearing the 5000th year the way Absalom counts the years.
I'm forever amused by the fact that no one bats an eye to the fact that monsters from Greek mythology are seen in the same world as monsters from contemporary urban legends, critters from Asia and all parts of Europe, and don't forget wizards and priests and elves and hobb.. I mean, halflings.
Nobody cares.
But mix clothing from one age with clothing from another, and people are sharpening their pitchforks.
Golarion is inspired by our world. Loosely so. It is not a carbon copy of our world. Why should everything, or even anything, follow the same timeline as here. Is there any reason we cannot have 18th-century-maritime-uniforms-looking clothing at the same time as middle-ages-plate-looking armour? Other than "it wasn't like this in our world"?
Give me one good reason (other than "I don't like it") why this shouldn't be in a made-up world.
Because it breaks internal consistency. Yes, during the colonial period of our own world, you had nations with varying levels of technology. However, no one can argue that the more advanced nations did not influence or affect the development of those less advanced areas. Technology, engineering, medicine, science, mathematics, etc. all have their impact, even if only by introducing new ideas.
Andoran, by the nature of its government, is different enough to stamp its individuality upon Golarion. 18th-century garb isn't required. Also, the uniforms of that period evolved from the the heraldic traditions of the previous eras but applied on a national scale. They did not serve a defensive nature as armor had fallen out of favor given the cost & time and the ascendancy of firearms. In Golarion, firearms have not been the "game-changer" they were in our world, primarily due to the presence of magic (per the Campaign Setting if memory serves). Infantry & cavalry still rely on guys in armor beating on each other like the Middles Ages and Renaissance periods of Earth.
True, Golarion didn't suffer the same style of collapse and degeneration Europe did following Rome's fall. However, if one is going to invest in a world as rich as Golarion, presumably, one is going to want it to be as internally consistent as possible. The armored halfing in the preview art clearly indicates that Andoran hasn't fielded Golarion's first 100% magically equipped military, so the uniforms, although pretty, will provide little or no protection against the militaries of Andoran's enemies.
Also, in a world where nations have strong interests beyond their national borders (like Cheliax, Andoran, Taldor, etc., etc.) you're going to have a mingling of influences, including technology, architecture, and fashion. Such co-mingling prevents the pat answer of "they only dress that way in Andoran".
Finally, almost every Paizo author cites pulp influences and early fantasy classics as sources of inspiration. Overall, Golarion displays this vibe strongly. But take a Conan-inspired character from say the Lands of the Mammoth Lords, and drop them in colonial-inspired Andoran and tell me it isn't jarring. It can't be glossed over. As another example, Tarzan's removal from the jungle into English society was a jarring experience and ultimately he couldn't sustain it. If your group wants to tell those fish-out-of-water stories, that's fine, but I don't consider that mainstream pulp fantasy.
Ultimately, to each their own. While I love the concept of the Andoran nation state, I loathe the colonial-era window dressing. While I might look at films like Raiders of the Lost Ark for inspiration, I'm not going to import 30's pulp elements into a scenario of treasure-hunting in Osirion. Sure, I can subsitute Chelish imperialists for Nazis, but I'm not importing Nazi uniforms, tanks, firearms, and aircraft.
Golarion, is hands down, the most exciting fantasy RPG world I've encountered, and I'm a sucker for settings. That said, many a GM has implemented an idea b/c he thinks it'll be cool and either it doesn't take or the execution fails to live up to the hype/ideal. I may be wrong, but I think the colonial-era influences of Andoran will ultimately fall into that category: it'll sound really cool but become problematic to some GMs and groups b/c it doesn't mesh with the setting as a whole.
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Slightly off topic: that 5000 year history? One of my biggest gripes with RPG settings is the complete avoidance of technological progression. Barring a civilzation-shattering event that introduces a technological decline, I hate it when PCs recover a 4000 year old sword that's made out of the same masterwork steel as the characters have available to them. It would be nice if RPG designers either paid closer attention to the tech available to their earlier eras or have really good reasons why technology hasn't progressed in 1000s or years.
(As a final note, I think Ravenloft suffered from this as well. The original box set couldn't decide what era/tone it wanted to emulate, or rather tried to emulate too many at one time. You had medieval nations bordering Victorian-era cultures. As the cultural differences manifested in each individual domain with no spillover into others, my players quickly tired of the setting.)
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As long as a a setting allows me to have fun and tell cool stories, I'm fine with a different technological progression. The roots of science fiction, the pulp novels on which much of Golarion is based, are full of this stuff, but they don't make the adventures of Conan or John Carter any less awesome. Sure, if those characters focused on that, it'd be annoying. So just focus on the cool things your PCs can do and not on whether the uniforms are unrealistic or not. What's the priority?
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That style of uniform evolved for the 18th century battlefield; it was somewhat loud and boisterous, so in the smoke choked maelstrom you could tell who was on what side.
I think, actually, with a bunch of wizards on the battlefield for artillery this uniform might make some sense, if the troops were engaging in large scale unit formation fighting.
Just speculating at this point.
Because it breaks internal consistency.
If it were about tech levels, I could see internal consistency. We're not talking about tech levels.
We're talking about clothing styles.
Unless you can make a case that the uniforms on the picture could not be created on Golarion because they don't have the technology to create such uniforms, I remain unconvinced.
Andoran, by the nature of its government, is different enough to stamp its individuality upon Golarion. 18th-century garb isn't required.
"Not required" is not the same as "breaking internal consistency" or "being a deal-breaker"
Also, the uniforms of that period evolved from the the heraldic traditions of the previous eras but applied on a national scale. They did not serve a defensive nature as armor had fallen out of favor given the cost & time and the ascendancy of firearms.
Those guys look a lot like maritime officers. Except for the Ironborn, few sea-bound warriors ever wear armour.
Infantry & cavalry still rely on guys in armor beating on each other like the Middles Ages and Renaissance periods of Earth.
And D&D/PF has a bit of a history of having people in plain clothes for "armour" having the best AC.
However, if one is going to invest in a world as rich as Golarion, presumably, one is going to want it to be as internally consistent as possible. The armored halfing in the preview art clearly indicates that Andoran hasn't fielded Golarion's first 100% magically equipped military, so the uniforms, although pretty, will provide little or no protection against the militaries of Andoran's enemies.
You speak of internal consistency.
I say having sailors in full plate would very much break that.
Also, in a world where nations have strong interests beyond their national borders (like Cheliax, Andoran, Taldor, etc., etc.) you're going to have a mingling of influences, including technology, architecture, and fashion. Such co-mingling prevents the pat answer of "they only dress that way in Andoran".
You forget that Andoran makes a point of being different from the rest. They are proud not to be influenced by diabolic Cheliax of decadent Taldor. So they'd make a point of wearing different uniform.
This reminds me of Babylon 5, where
Finally, almost every Paizo author cites pulp influences and early fantasy classics as sources of inspiration. Overall, Golarion displays this vibe strongly. But take a Conan-inspired character from say the Lands of the Mammoth Lords, and drop them in colonial-inspired Andoran and tell me it isn't jarring.
It isn't jarring. I welcome such versatility.
That stereotype barbarian will look no more out of place beside an Andoran Admiral than beside a chelaxian Hellknight.
It can't be glossed over. As another example, Tarzan's removal from the jungle into English society was a jarring experience and ultimately he couldn't sustain it. If your group wants to tell those fish-out-of-water stories, that's fine, but I don't consider that mainstream pulp fantasy.
Pathfinder, isn't mainstream pulp fantasy.
And this isn't any more fish out of water than anything else. If we can bring Conan to Absalom, to Westcrown, to Tian Xia, to Quadira, we can bring him to Andoran. Let him be the 13th Warrior in a band of warriors.
Sure, I can subsitute Chelish imperialists for Nazis, but I'm not importing Nazi uniforms, tanks, firearms, and aircraft.
To be honest, I'm quite disturbed about the submarine visible in the background of the picture, or the spaceship that is about to blast it.
Except that the picture doesn't have them. It doesn't have firearms, either. It only has the uniforms.
Plus, according to Godwin's law, you lose.
it'll sound really cool but become problematic to some GMs and groups b/c it doesn't mesh with the setting as a whole.
So? There are already lots of pieces in Pathfinder that become problematic to some GMs. Inbred Hillbilly Ogre Rapists?
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Slightly off topic: that 5000 year history? One of my biggest gripes with RPG settings is the complete avoidance of technological progression.
They have magic. Why waste centuries on getting electricity (even if you know that electricity awaits at the end) if you can use magic?
Technology and magic is something that would break the setting for me.
It's not just RPG settings, either. It's fantasy in general. I'd say that 99% of all fantasy worlds are like that.
But mix clothing from one age with clothing from another, and people are sharpening their pitchforks.Do you have any proof that James Keegan even has a pitchfork?
Of course. But I'm not going to show it to YOU!
KaeYoss, for every assumption of mine you dismiss you make one of your own.
I previously stated that the only scenario where such uniforms might make sense would be for navies, so your maritime conclusion is in line with mine. (I never stated naval forces would be decked out in plate.) The point I made was that if those uniforms were used by infantry as well, the Andorans are going to get their backsides kicked. The uniforms serve no practical purpose. A swordsman in leather armor with a buckler and helm is better equipped than an Andoran swordsman garbed in colonial-era window-dressing.
And while D&D & PF may have armor-less PCs & major NPCs having high ACs due to magic items, I don't think Golarion's militaries are outfitted in such fashion, so it's a pointless example from a setting consistency standpoint.
As for technological advancement, if we take your "why bother when there's magic?" theory and run with it, why have navies, armies, architectural differences, printing presses, etc. at all? There are settings that look at the impact of technology on the setting. Iron Kingdoms comes to mind immediately and those uniforms look more in line with that setting than with 95% of the Pathfinder material sitting on my bookshelf.
Unless you're reading different Pathfinder material than I am, magic hasn't replaced technology. It's certainly impacted technological development (i.e. firearms haven't been widely adopted) but it's not so ubiquitous that innovation has stagnated. Also from a purely GM-perspective, it's easier to layer-in more magic into a consistent setting that acknowledges technological progression than it is to do the reverse. Your implied approach works fine for ultra-high-fantasy and beer-and-pretzel gaming but I don't need/want scads of detailed setting info for those kinds of games.
I'm content with agreeing to disagree. You're not going to convince me and my players that such influences enhance Golarion and I'm clearly not going to convince you otherwise.
Well, obviously the halfling pictured in the same blog proves that agents of Andoran don't wear their uniforms to the exclusion of more logical equipment. While we've seen a lot of pictures of Andoran characters in their uniforms, my feeling is that this is to showcase that they do have those distinctive uniforms, not that they will always wear them, no matter what. Its an artistic representation.
My thoughts on this are also that its likely other established campaign settings probably had characters that would have likely had non-armor formal uniforms as well. I could easily see Purple Dragon Knights or Cormyrean War Wizards having formal dress uniforms that they didn't often wear in "field" situations. The difference is, WOTC never seemed very interested in developing distinctive "norms" for clothing and uniforms in the Realms, so we got pictures of some Cormyreans in Spanish style armor, some in more English looking armor, etc.
That having been said, I can still see at least some forms of armor being used in conjunction with said uniform for proper field use.
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As for technological advancement, if we take your "why bother when there's magic?" theory and run with it, why have navies, armies, architectural differences, printing presses, etc. at all? There are settings that look at the impact of technology on the setting. Iron Kingdoms comes to mind immediately and those uniforms look more in line with that setting than with 95% of the Pathfinder material sitting on my bookshelf.
Navies and ships: Because having magi on permanent retainer is expensive. Some nobles on Golorion do use magic for all traveling purposes, some don't. also you need to be able to picture your location, so you need to travel there by some other means first.
Armies: true it might take 4 'people' to take down a magic golem, but the people can make informed split second decisions that often sway a battle in your favor
architectural differences: why did Roman, Greek, and Chinese have architectural differences? preference maybe? Why aren't all houses in one neighborhood nowadays built the same design plans?
printing presses: Wizards don't have time to make 100s of magicical ones, or there is not enough wizards of high level that understand the mechanics of the press at the same time as have the experience to make magical ones. There are magical constructs used to copy pages in Golarion, but most are used by groups or individuals with private funding.
in Short - Magic is as expensive as a 'just released' bit of electronics that introduces a brand new concept. The insanely wealthy have it... everyone else wants it, but can't afford it.
Armor class 11? Poor dead chaps. Lets hope they are able reproduce faster than the Hellknights and Taldorians legions are butchering them.
At least the blue tutu-uniforms get the 1st price for "style over substance". Most useless pictures in the whole series. Whats next?
-Half-orc with pincette, pipe and magnification glasses in burberry trenchcoat?
-Teen girly with school uniform and magic wand? (...oh wait we had this already in Korvosa)
-Wall Street suit with pocket calculator? Come on - we still miss fashion from the 20th century in your exclusive collection of "fantasy" artwork.What? This is no fantasy anymore? Didnt you paizo-guys see Harry Potter?
Conclusio: Your line was promising at first but becomes a major disappointment and (sadly) waste of money to me. RIP.
Not to ambush you or anything but I have trouble reconciling your comments in this thread with comments you made in previous threads on Chelixian armor....
A good depiction of a Chelish soldier is on the LB1: Tower of the Last Baron. He's about to end up with a sore back.
So its primarly a kind of typical medieval soldier in a red/black surcoat? I find this a little bit unimaginative.
Realism is not my concern in a game where I can fight against dragons and devils.
if you find the Chelixan armor to be unimaginative because it is typical..... but Paizo's more imaginative take on Andoran uniforms is damaging enough to make you write off Golarion as a major disappointment how do you expect Paizo to take any risks with its products? Every piece of artwork needs to then be traditional, bland, and typical in order to avoid offending fans with view points similar to yours. Isn't that kind of stagnating? What makes an art direction, revolving around a scattered few pieces of setting, obscene enough to push you away from the whole setting? Isn't that a little irrational?
I do apologize in advance if I am taking you the wrong way. I apologize if I am quoting you out of context. I just don't understand the whole school of thought that currently seems to pervade gaming that dictates one has to storm off when any little facet of a game setting doesn't mesh with ones own personal vision. Its just some art. Tape a picture of knights from an Osprey Publishing historical campaign guide over the offending picture. It is all okay.
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Armor class 11? Poor dead chaps. Lets hope they are able reproduce faster than the Hellknights and Taldorians legions are butchering them.
At least the blue tutu-uniforms get the 1st price for "style over substance". Most useless pictures in the whole series. Whats next?
-Half-orc with pincette, pipe and magnification glasses in burberry trenchcoat?
-Teen girly with school uniform and magic wand? (...oh wait we had this already in Korvosa)
-Wall Street suit with pocket calculator? Come on - we still miss fashion from the 20th century in your exclusive collection of "fantasy" artwork.What? This is no fantasy anymore? Didnt you paizo-guys see Harry Potter?
Conclusio: Your line was promising at first but becomes a major disappointment and (sadly) waste of money to me. RIP.
Didn't you loudly write off Golarion over half a year ago? Over this exact issue?
I mean different strokes for different folks, but seriously dude, isn't that a bit much?
Looking at the pictures again, I can easily imagine that the uniform jackets of the Andorans are tailored wide enough to be worn over some kind of armor, or even sandwich-built to contain leather or chain parts. The knee-high boots double as greaves easily, and you have all the armor you need. I always thought RPGers were a bunch of creative people and be able to come up with a solution to this kind of "problem".
Jeez. *shakes head* Some people want to see a problem there, I guess.
Stefan
What a stink over nothing. Their heads aren't tiny. I'm happy.
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couple points:
- cost: full plate armor (like the halfling's) is expensive, and extremely long to make (go ahead and play with the Craft rules and see how many months are required for ONE man to craft a full plate... assuming +10 skill modifier...)
- freedom/revolution: involves non-combatant citizens, often poor, with no access to expensive/complicated armor... so you usually gives them a uniform (check PHB for cost of a regular set of clothing vs. a fullplate armor or even a chainmail... officer armor "could" cost as far as a courtier outfit, so 30gp... cheaper than most medium/heavy armor)
- policy: for a well-oiled disciplined military, EVERYONE must wear the same armor. If Andoran has decided to sympathize with the poor/commoner class, they might require everyone to wear or look the same to encourage unity! (i.e. even the joes and gils with big armors can look the same: hat of disguise or glamered armor property folks...)
Conclusio: Your line was promising at first but becomes a major disappointment and (sadly) waste of money to me. RIP.
To be honest you've been around and saying that you'll never buy Golarion again since around the announcement of the Beta, several people have pointed out wild inconsistencies in your logic.
I don't think you've ever bought anything from paizo, as the only thing that is half-way consistent in your posting is your disparagment of paizo, I'm not saying their perfect, and that they don't make bad decisions, and every game company has art that a person won't like, I'm not a huge Wooten fan myself, and didn't like the savage tides art, BUT your not really interested in paizo, that's fine. But a campaign against their products on their boards were shock! most people are fans of at least some of their stuff is both strange and pointless.
P.S. Mona Lol'ed you!
I've finally had a chance to look over this Companion, and I really think you guys are hitting your stride with these products.
The most important element of the Companions is to get a feel for Andoran both on the macro (nation, geography, etc) (I like the addition of Ongoing Problems) and the micro (player, citizen) level (This Social section rocks!), and I really feel this gives it.
I have a clear idea of the feel and dynamic of Andoran, interesting locations, sayings/clothes/feats to help flesh out characters, etc, etc. The NPCs presented are useful, and offer another example of the feel of the nation and its people.
It looks like this is primarily the format you guys are planning on using as you move ahead, and I couldn't agree more. I would go so far as to say that I would like to see index entries replicated from this one for each companion.
Good work!
LOL yourself, chap. Who do you think you are? I am (was) your customer and you live(d) from my money. So hold it back.
Just because I am no brainless fanboy like the most here and I dont wet my pants because of every new crappy booklet release, this does not mean that I cannot evaluate what is a good idea and what is not.
And its not good to have grafical style over substance. The Andoran uniforms are ridicolous from a game logic (which AC does a uniform like this has?) from a historical PoV (do those uniforms have any genesis?) and from a technical PoV (you assume that andoran has the same textile manifactoring technology as 18th century western culture)
And now please ban me. I dont care. :(
Your a LOL-worthy character! I've never encountered someone so direly in need of a good LOLing, maybe you didn't get enough LOLs growing up and you're now LOL-stunted, more likely though you are a fake, I doubt you've ever bought anything from paizo, as your entire profiles contribution has been contradictory bullshit.
Your not a blind fanboy, your a fanatic hater, there is no rhyme or reason to your trolling, you just like to complain, throw dramatic fits, then rinse and repeat every little while.
And so sir,
LOL!
I LOL at you endlessly, as likely does the rest of the world.
Wow. I brainlessly bought every AP. Now, reflecting on the above points, I see what a fool I was. Guess I'll have to cancel my subscription.
Wow. I brainlessly bought every AP. Now, reflecting on the above points, I see what a fool I was. Guess I'll have to cancel my subscription.
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It's like momma always said, always keep dry pants when going on the internet.
Even very thick cloth could count as padded...ok the AC might not be great but most armies wouldn't be wearing much more than that anyway..elite units might get chain hauberks..Guard units and certain specialists would get half plate at best..there's a general expectation for the grunts in fantasy worlds to be uniformly equipped with the best equipment possible..it didn't happen in our world why should Golarion be any different?
Besides, certain classes, etc., benefit from low armor.
Perhaps they're all members of some prestige class like Abjurant Champion that hasn't been published yet :)
One of the things I liked about Council of Thieves was the false plate worn by the Hellknight Armigers...boiled leather shaped to look like plate and painted.. It got me thinking that this could be a standard Chelaxian way of making their armies look imposing whilst keeping costs low.