Dual-Wielding Shields?

Is there any way to dual-wield shields? Would you get double the shield bonus? If not, who else would like to see an archetype for this?

It is rules legal, but you do not get double the shield bonus. There is already a two-weapon fighter archetype.

I'm surprised you don't get any additional AC from dual-wielding shields. It seems like you'd have double the coverage. Also, the idea of a dual-shield expert is both funny and awesome.

I'm surprised you don't get any additional AC from dual-wielding shields. It seems like you'd have double the coverage. Also, the idea of a dual-shield expert is both funny and awesome.

I'm picturing the character "sandwiching" an enemy between shields...hee!

I'm surprised you don't get any additional AC from dual-wielding shields. It seems like you'd have double the coverage. Also, the idea of a dual-shield expert is both funny and awesome.

Shields give a shield bonus to AC. Same type bonuses don't stack unless otherwise stated.

The search feature is your friend, use it. There are quite a few historic threads on dual wielding shields. I put "dual shield" in the search box and got ...

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Yeah, no double shield bonus. Shield bonuses don't stack.

For improving your AC, it is as effective as wearing a Breastplate over your Breastplate.

Now, a Dual Klar fighter is thematically cool. Dual Madu too.

Here's is something I posted in another thread:
Well, the Spanish sword and bucker man was designed to defeat pikes, and it did. I wouldn't call the Roman shield aka Scuta a Tower shield, but it's close. A Scuta is only about meter high, one surviving example is 42". A Tower is "nearly as tall as you are". The average Roman legionnaire was maybe 66": (5'6") so a true tower for him would be at least 54".

The large round shields used by Saxons were barely Large shields, most would be a medium shield. I know, I am a SCA heavy weapons fighter and specialized in Anglo-Saxon weapons. I am looking at one now. Per "The Anglo-Saxon Thegn" from Osprey, the ones we have found are 18" to 30" in diameter.

They are right that for 4000 years or more sword (more likely spear) and board was the top style. Pikes lost to the Romans, pikes only came back due to Superheavy Cavalry, aka Knights on Destriers. This was a rather brief period, from 1100 to 1400.

And see that's the problem with two shield wielding. I have wielded both a heavy and a medium shield. Heavy's protect your body from knees to shoulder, from shoulder to shoulder. What would be the use of two? They would only cover the same area twice, which is no good. And, you really can't punch well with them, but they are excellent for bull rushes.

Now, yes, you can get a darn good hit with the edge of a medium. And since one of them only covers shoulder to gut, the other could cover gut to knees. But you'd look like a fan dancer. And would be about as useful in battle.

There may well have been isolated instances of some style using two shields. But not in any army that ever marched. Even the Romans who had weird styles in the arena never did dual shield.

That being said, there have been styles that look a look like double-weapon, dual buckler, so that's not silly. I saw a guy duel with twin main-gauche, which are basically a long dagger combined with a buckler, so yes, it can be done. (he lost, poor reach, but it did look cool)

But dual mediums or heavies is not only not reality it's not fantasy either.

Mind you, nothing wrong with a little silliness now and then, it's certainly not "badwrongfun". But we don't need a codified set of rules for it. Just talk with your DM and wing it. Have fun.

I'm surprised you don't get any additional AC from dual-wielding shields. It seems like you'd have double the coverage.

There are no facing rules in Pathfinder though, so even if it did "give more coverage" it wouldn't make a difference.

But you should be able to do it. Pretty sure you can TWF with anything that can be wielded in one hand.

You can do some insane things with the TWF shield bashing, where you take no penalties on your attacks from things like power attack, dazing assault, stunning assault, etc. I don't think anyone else will be too happy with you though.

There are some enhancements (armor enhancements are cheaper than weapon), as well as spiked shield upgrades that will make you go kinda crazy too!

You can do some insane things with the TWF shield bashing, where you take no penalties on your attacks from things like power attack, dazing assault, stunning assault, etc. I don't think anyone else will be too happy with you though.

There are some enhancements (armor enhancements are cheaper than weapon), as well as spiked shield upgrades that will make you go kinda crazy too!

Explain.

You can do some insane things with the TWF shield bashing, where you take no penalties on your attacks from things like power attack, dazing assault, stunning assault, etc. I don't think anyone else will be too happy with you though.

There are some enhancements (armor enhancements are cheaper than weapon), as well as spiked shield upgrades that will make you go kinda crazy too!

Rapanuii knows what's up. 1/2 price on a +5 weapon, I'll take it!

I thought of double shields before with the Shield Master and Shield Slam so you can toss people all day.

While I would think double-shielding would provide a greater bonus than just a single shield alone, realistically speaking, you can more easily defend yourself when wielding two weapon than when wielding just one (parry, riposte!) but that isn't mechanically a part of the rules either.

If I had a player that wanted to do it, I'd probably tell him he only gets half the AC bonus from his off-hand shield, similar to an off-hand weapon dealing less damage, to keep thing from getting ridiculous. It would be silly, but why not?

Rapanuii wrote:

You can do some insane things with the TWF shield bashing, where you take no penalties on your attacks from things like power attack, dazing assault, stunning assault, etc. I don't think anyone else will be too happy with you though.

There are some enhancements (armor enhancements are cheaper than weapon), as well as spiked shield upgrades that will make you go kinda crazy too!

Explain.

I've never built one, but for right now I can quickly find this feat for you, buddy.

http://www.d20pfsrd.com/feats/combat-feats/shield-master-combat---final

Defending enhancement is what I believe was suggested, but I don't know how the whole weapon enhancements on a spiked heavy shield works.

While I would think double-shielding would provide a greater bonus than just a single shield alone, realistically speaking, you can more easily defend yourself when wielding two weapon than when wielding just one (parry, riposte!) but that isn't mechanically a part of the rules either.

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There's the two weapon defense feat which gives +1 shield bonus while dual wielding. If there was an Improved version, or just any other way to make it better than +1 I believe that it would more realistically portray that block with the weapon.

Yeah, no double shield bonus. Shield bonuses don't stack.

In 3.0, shields gave an armor bonus that stacked with the armor bonus from worn armor. It got 'fixed' soon enough to a 'shield bonus,' but not before Green Ronin leapt on the idea and introduced some dual shielding feats and a dual shield weapon style in Plot & Poison.

It seemed like a neat idea, and significantly less whackadoodle than dire flails or spiked chains or barbed beards or gnomish battle ladders or knife-tied-to-my-ponytail-that-I-swing-by-jerking-my-head-at-you...

Now, a Dual Klar fighter is thematically cool. Dual Madu too.

Indeed.

That's true Bacon, there is that feat. One could easily make the double shield technique require a feat investment to get the additional AC bonus, which would delay the potential craziness of shield bashing with no off-hand penalties from other feats.

No one gets double shield bonus to AC.

No one should, even with houserules.

Pretty much as mentioned before, use that search feature, and you should find long threads with people talking about this subject. I've never searched this subjected, but if I can find what I found with only half-assed thought being put into it, I can only imagine what others have figured out.

I always thought you could only use a shield as an off-hand weapon...

You can bash with a shield instead of using it for defense.

Shield Bash Attacks

You can bash an opponent with a shield, using it as an off-hand weapon. Used this way, a shield is a martial bludgeoning weapon.

For the purpose of penalties on attack rolls, treat a heavy shield as a one-handed weapon and treat a light shield as a light weapon.

Weapon Feature(s): shield

A Shield is a weapon.

There are no "off hand only" weapons.

You can even two hand a Heavy Shield for x1.5 Strength to damage.

As I said I "thought"...and I posted the reason why I thought that...since in the description of a shield as a weapon it says "off-hand"

If thats the case and there are no "off hand only" weapons then I that would be a weird fighter lol

Although playing Dark Souls one day I was invaded by a guy using 2 shields...he died horribly...but it was amusing

What I usually found to be cool is getting the heavy shield with spiked armor (increases the weapon damage by 1 size category), and using it two handed. I don't know if you lose your shield AC when attacking with it though, since I've never personally used it. Seems cool to go captain america on people.

I would prefer a single shield only fighter.

Captain America man!

I always loved the idea of a dual shield wielder but it takes until at least 11th level to truly be good at it so its not like its really that big. but I still love it.

A Tekko Kage can be used as a buckler as well so that could count for something. Having a pair of those, maybe one Frost and the other Flaming for thematic flair. Up against a fire-immune enemy? Defend with the flaming claw. Up against ice? Defend with the frost claw. Also good for disarming swords and other blade-type weapons.

I'm building a dual-wielding shield fighter right now. Sadly, her style is more "bloodless", so spikes are a no-no. Oh well. If she makes it high enough to buy some bashing shields (and I'm not being as cheap as usual) she should be okay. If not...well, there's always my wild shaping druid.

KC, if you're not doing PFS you should talk to your DM to see if you can buy a shield knob for the same mechanical effects as shield spikes but keeping the bludgeoning damage.

Nah, it's PFS. Otherwise, I probably would consider that.

A two handed spiked heavy shield is the best enchantable 2 handed weapon in the game

+5 shield with bashing property +4 to spend on other defensive properties

functions as an +5 weapon with +9 to expend in weapon properties.

No other weapon come even close.

No other weapon come even close.

Not even a Titan Mauler wielding a Huge Sunblade?

Actually dual spiked heavy shield is the best possible.

You can get +7 AC, and +12 pluses of defensive abilities( you only need ont shield to be +5 for AC, the other can have just +1 bashing and +8 of defensive abilites, or +5 bashing and +4 leaving +9 ofensive pluses to add.

If you get shield focus its +8 AC. Being completely ofensive with +8 "free" AC is very hard to beat.

Is there any way to dual-wield shields? Would you get double the shield bonus? If not, who else would like to see an archetype for this?

Yes

Neverwinter Nights, the Atari one, had me playing a monk running around weaponless, of course, and wearing a shield. It looked... iffy. But was effective.