There is no duration for the effect (it is not listed in any source I own).
Clearly the Mauler familiar is geared to be in its Battle Form most of the time. :)
Nope.
If you don’t find something, we will run it as a specialized Enlarge Person that you can use 3 times per day. Each would last 1 min per level, so 3 minutes.
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The rules about Mauler familiar were written in Familiar Folio and then clarified a few years latter in Ultimate Wilderness. Clearly if there was a time limit on the transformation it would have been mentioned or at the very least clarified in the numerous editions of the Campaign Clarifications or FAQs. It was not. The RAW stands crystal clear in this regard. There is no fixed time limit.
In my mind, that interpretation isn’t balanced.
I do not find RAW particularly convincing as a way to arbitrate the rules. Such arguments are unlikely to sway me.
This is in Campaign Mode, so I can make my own judgement on what the rules will be.
Convince me that your interpretation is balanced, suggest a different time limit, or accept the time limit I listed.
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It was clearly the intent for the Mauler to be in Battle Form most of the time so the familiar can participate fully in battle. The duration of the Enlarge Person spell is not appropriate in my mind as fitting the spirit of the archetype.
Looking towards a compromise I suggest the following:
If you feel the need to limit the transformation further (it was already reduced from unlimited uses to 3/day in the transition from the Familiar Folio to Ultimate Wilderness) then we should look to the Druid and Wild Shape. How about a maximum of 1 hour/level (so 3 hours) per transformation?
If I look at Druid Wild Shape, I see a major class feature that doesn’t come in until 4th level and only allows the transformation once a day at that level.
I do not find that a reasonable comparison.
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This is true but all the familiar can do is change back and forth to medium size. It is not at all comparable to Wild Shape which grants it extra abilities, forms, etc. In effect allowing it to change back in forth is a ribbon ability instead of just saying that it stays in medium size all the time. This is especially true with a Tattoo familiar which can disappear completely on the caster's body.
I do think that 1 hour/level (per transformation) is a reasonable compromise considering how scaled down the power is.
The normal adventuring day is generally approximately 8 hours.
The familair can do the Battle Form transformation three times a day. The ability clearly spells that out.
I do not find a limit of a total of nine hours a day in Battle Form a meaningful limit.
My suggestion was based on a first level transmutation spell that does something similar to the Battle Form supernatural ability. You are taking the duration of something that is a major class feature at a higher level and has less uses a day.
I believe we have a big difference in what we consider reasonable and balanced.
This is true but all the familiar can do is change back and forth to medium size.
I notice you listed the familiar’s Stealth modifier on their sheet. This indicates to me you are welll aware of the advantages a tiny creature can have in scouting. Shifting between size tiny to scout and medium to fight is a huge deal.
How about this:
For this campaign can we just assume that the familiar is either medium size or in tattoo form? Would that work for you?
Yes.
You could have done sylvan wildblooded sorcerer and gotten a Roc animal companion. It would have the same 13 strength.
I don’t feel the need to quibble the details of the trade offs, the familair always being size medium when out is close enough for me.
@Relgar
How do you have +12 Init?
I see you have Noble Scion trait allowing you to use Charisma (+5) instead of Dexterity (+1) for Initiative. I also see you have Reactionary trait for an additional +1.
Your other feat is Additional Traits.
That gives a +6 Init, where is the other +6 coming from?
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Alright here is the breakdown.
Reactionary - always a +2 bonus.
Noble Scion - +5 bonus
Cracked Ioun Stone - +1 bonus
Familiar granted ability which still works in tattoo form due to the archetype - +4 bonus
+12 total for initiative.
Actually with Blood Boiling Pills and Heightened Awareness I can have him easily cranked up to +18 but this is not his style as he is not a complete try hard.
It has been a while since I GMed PF1, sorry I got the bonus for Reactionary wrong,
Thanks for breaking it down for me.
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Does anyone have issues differentiating colors like red/blue/green?
I tend to color the opponent borders different colors. If you need me to stay away from certain combinations please let me know.
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Furen have this ability she would like to use with her teammates:
Caravan Bond (Su): By leading a group prayer for 1 minute, a Varisian pilgrim can select a number of traveling companions equal to her cleric level + her Wisdom bonus. She may use her domain-granted powers on any of these traveling companions as if they were her. She can use these abilities on her traveling companions at a range of up to 30 feet, even if the ability normally requires her touch.
The idea is that she can use Bit of Luck (roll twice take better on all d20 for 1 round) and Agile Feet (ignore all difficult terrain for 1 round) at range to her teammates. She should be able to include everyone since she can include 2 lvl +4 WIS=6 people. Is anyone oppose to being included in Furen's caravan bond? I would like to ask for consent before using such ability.
Is anyone oppose to being included in Furen's caravan bond? I would like to ask for consent before using such ability.
Can my villains be included too? :)
Nice boon. It is a huge power up for Bit of Luck.
It is easier if you just list your spells in your profile. You can use the strike out BBCode to indicate when they are used. That would be the letter S between square brackets [] and then /s in square brackets to end it.
Got to go, but if you have questions I will be able to help you later tonight.
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About Mallycorn domains power
Knowledge domain: treat all Knowledge as class skills (trained in Religion, planes, Nobility, Nature, History)+Improvisation skill (+2 to all untrained skills, can use "trained only skills)
Lore keeper: Touch attack, gives info as if a Knowledge check was rolled with 21 result (15+3 lvl+3 Wisdom)
Rebuke death: gives back 1d4+1 HP to someone in negative HP (must touch )
Having the Healing domain, Mallycorn gets CLW and CMW as Domain spells
Undead slayer trait +1 weapon dmg to Undead
Let me know when the group is ready to head to town.
You can consider yourself over it now. Nausea generally is very short time frame.
Somewhat surprised, as far as I can tell none of you has a wayfinder?
Alright, didn’t see it on the equipment list when I quickly searched character sheets.
I have added two new links to this campaign, you should be able to see them at the top of the page.
Please use the RPG Chronicles link to sign in. Assuming they add support for this module before the end of it, I will be using that to generate chronicles. If you have any questions about it, ask here.
The level should be the level of the actual character receiving credit.
The other link is a Google Doc file that I’ve put the map, map legend, and a section for player notes. I will allow the group to figure out what they want in player’s notes. I have only given the very general information that the mayor would have given.
How are people feeling about the pace of this adventure?
Am I going fast enough for everyone? Am I waiting too long for people to respond, or should I wait longer so more people have an opportunity to respond?
Feedback appreciated.
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On a different topic, Relgar and Mallycorn if you could please sign in on RPGChronicles? You don’t need an account to sign in.
The information will only be used for generating and sending the chronicles.
Thanks,
Bret
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As we are only speaking to relatively unimportant NPCs I feel a brisker pace is warranted. It is mostly RP to move the plot along so if a character does not get to speak to every NPC fully I am fine with that. Just my thoughts. :)
@GM Bret - Are you alright with posting the chronicles to Google Drive after the game? I am fine with filling out the required information but I am not keen on providing an email to this site.
@GM Bret - Are you alright with posting the chronicles to Google Drive after the game? I am fine with filling out the required information but I am not keen on providing an email to this site.
I can do it as a Google drive folder instead. It is only slightly more effort for me.
Please fill in at least the character name, Org Play #, Character #, level and faction. I believe that is the minimum information that is required.
As we are only speaking to relatively unimportant NPCs I feel a brisker pace is warranted. It is mostly RP to move the plot along so if a character does not get to speak to every NPC fully I am fine with that. Just my thoughts. :)
Responding to this separately.
Usually I don’t worry about every character talking to an NPC. I want people to have an opportunity to do so, but try not to hold up the game because someone hasn’t posted.
If someone comes in late, I don’t mind if they go back to add their part to a conversation provided it doesn’t cause me to have to rewind history. I don’t like to retcon things. I do it when I feel it is warranted, but strongly try to avoid it.
Alcie is a little bit of a special case as she specifically wants each character’s name and profession before she will even agree to serving them. I didn’t have her ask for profession but felt her insisting on getting a name seemed appropriate.
I take it from your statement Relgar that I should not hold up the game just because your character hasn’t responded in role play. I do expect you to be part of the group but am not going to force people to role play. That generally doesn’t work well for either side.
I will not be skipping the role play. I also will not be announcing how important an NPC is.
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Perhaps I did not phrase it properly. What I meant is that while RP is enjoyable the consequences for a player not engaging in RP is generally not fatal to the character as opposed to combat where the character can die.
In this particular case the tavern owner was rude and unfriendly and this turned my character off. If I (personally) entered this tavern and was treated like this I would immediately leave. When I realised as a player that this event was important to moving the plot forward for the party I forced my character to return and try to help.
Thanks GM Bret for offering to dump it to Google Drive and to provide a link. It is much appreciated. I have entered the required info. :)
@Gaius - What you are saying is quite true. From Relgar's perspective she is not important but clearly we need her information to move our mission forward so she is very important. :)
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The current pace is fine with me and I am enjoying the roleplaying, even if John doesn't always have much to contribute. I've also been dealing with a few heavier demands IRL that have kept me from posting as often as I may have planned and, thus, appreciate not getting left behind.
That being said, the pace for this table does, at least, feel slower than most others I am currently playing. Granted, as convention tables have a set "deadline", they do tend to move more quickly.
Again, I am fine with the pace, but recognize that players may well be used to and prefer a quicker place. If quicker is needed to maintain engagement by all the players, then I am all for it.
Real life always comes before the game.
If you have time and are getting hit by real life, just please let me know.
Also, this adventure is structured as a sandbox investigation. Right now, I am waiting for a player to indicate in gameplay where they want to investigate next.
I do not force the person who starts a conversation to do all the social skill checks. It is fine to speak with the NPCs, that is part of the game.
If a skill check is required, you could always say your piece and do it as an Aid Another. Then the person who has the skill can step in and do something like “What my colleague is trying to explain is…” and then do some roleplay and the skill check. One of the nice things about PF1 is there is no risk in attempting to aid another character.
I don’t want people to feel like they can’t talk to the NPCs just because they don’t have the best of social skills. There are times when a skill check is required, but I will inform you of those.
I prefer to keep gameplay for in character and game mechanical things. If the whole post is OOC, it would be better here.
Thanks for letting us know, Azalmak. Best wishes to you. I hope you can come to a good resolution.
With two different people having real life hit them, I do not intend to increase the pace.
When things change let me know and we can discuss what a reasonable pace for everyone is.
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With the GM's permission I'd like to take a table vote. I was hoping to show Father Ruvarra the note we received from Alcie and ask him about the relationship between the apprentices. I was hoping he would be more discrete than some of the other masters. I think we just learned Nolaria is his daughter which also complicates matters. What does everyone else think? Gaius wouldn't show him anything in front of the villagers and really doesn't want to talk about the other apprentices in front of them either since we're supposed to be discrete.
Feel free to do what you like for your character but I don't see the need to fill in the priest about what is going on around here. He is going to volunteer all the information he knows anyways as his daughter is already missing.
Rather harsh attitude. I hope you don’t always treat NPCs this way.
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Feel free to do what you like for your character but I don't see the need to fill in the priest about what is going on around here. He is going to volunteer all the information he knows anyways as his daughter is already missing.
I was hoping he'd confirm/deny the statements by Alcie and Majara that Nolaria is the ringleader and possibly girlfriend plus see if he could identify the note Alcie gave the PCs was or was not written by Nolaria.
If it seems I’m hand-waving the number of people at the temple seeking help, it is because I am. I’ve no idea how many would be there needing help. Suffice it to say that there are enough things in the regular duties to keep Father Ruvarra busy.
I imagine it as he is slowly falling behind on some of the tasks rather than having to do triage to determine which people to treat at an emergency room.