Curse of the Crimson Throne for PF2e by DM Doctor Evil

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Chelaxian Human Rogue (Scoundrel) 1

Thank you for the nod, Perivolt. Would have been easily skipped at this point.


The reading is done (thankfully some may say).

From the Harrow Read, the group earned 1 Harrow Point simply for choosing, and 2 more for cards from the suit of Keys showing up (The Rabbit Prince and The Peacock.) So everyone earns 3 Harrow Points to start this chapter. Sable had her Choosing card show up in the Spread, so she earns an additional Harrow Point for that, leaving her with 4 to start.

You can review the above posting for details of how and when to use Harrow Points as the chapter unwinds.

Zellara has told you where Lamm dwells, and how to get to that place. But now events lie in your hands. What will you choose to do next?


Dwarf Fighter 3 HP 49/49 | Harrow 0/1 | AC 21 (23 with shield raised) | F +10 R +7 W +9 | +2 Init/Perc +9 | Axe +11 1d8 +4 S | Spd 20 | Active Conditions: None Exploration: Search 7gp owed Sable

Curious if our earlier cards get added back to the Harrow deck or not. Billi as an orderly dwarf would want the set complete. He hopes the set is worth as much as his complete set of black bordered Magic cards that as much he needed drugs, he didnt even think of selling.

Radiant Oath

NG female (she/her) Whisper Elf Champion 3 HP 29/45 | AC 19 | F +10 R +5 W +8 | Perc +6 | Glaive +9 1d8 +3 S | Spell Atk +7 DC 14 Spd 30 | Focus 0/1 | Active Conditions: Grabbed, constricted | Hero Points: 1

Note to self: refresh the page after writing but before submitting a post. I'll weave in my response to you shortly, Perivolt :)


22/22 HP | 1/1 FP

Thankfully, your post didn't end up contradicting mine aside from Perivolt obviously missing your last utterance. It still works well. ;)


Dwarf Fighter 3 HP 49/49 | Harrow 0/1 | AC 21 (23 with shield raised) | F +10 R +7 W +9 | +2 Init/Perc +9 | Axe +11 1d8 +4 S | Spd 20 | Active Conditions: None Exploration: Search 7gp owed Sable

Sorry the old default alias thing — my apologies


22/22 HP | 1/1 FP

Lol, it took me a second. I thought I was looking at the wrong thread since that's your GM alias for the Kingmaker game.


Dwarf Fighter 3 HP 49/49 | Harrow 0/1 | AC 21 (23 with shield raised) | F +10 R +7 W +9 | +2 Init/Perc +9 | Axe +11 1d8 +4 S | Spd 20 | Active Conditions: None Exploration: Search 7gp owed Sable

Yep — my bad there. Fixed


22/22 HP | 1/1 FP
GM Tribute wrote:
Yep — my bad there

Intentional?


Chelaxian Human Rogue (Scoundrel) 1

Just can't agree with nobody, it seems.

Contradictory was not in my mental description of Ionatan.


Billi Hardstone wrote:
Curious if our earlier cards get added back to the Harrow deck or not. Billi as an orderly dwarf would want the set complete. He hopes the set is worth as much as his complete set of black bordered Magic cards that as much he needed drugs, he didnt even think of selling.

Some of the original cards left with you showed up in the spread, I believe, so the set is still complete even if you still retain your card. Interesting isn't it?


Female Human Cleric (Cloistered) - 3 (HP 35/35) (Hero Point Spent) (Hero P gained)

WoW. I go out for one night and am sixteen posts behind. I'll try to catch up


22/22 HP | 1/1 FP

Passions flaring. Everyone’s pumped to get Lamm.

Radiant Oath

NG female (she/her) Whisper Elf Champion 3 HP 29/45 | AC 19 | F +10 R +5 W +8 | Perc +6 | Glaive +9 1d8 +3 S | Spell Atk +7 DC 14 Spd 30 | Focus 0/1 | Active Conditions: Grabbed, constricted | Hero Points: 1

Lots of enthralling roleplay from everyone else, and I’m there too :) I could use your help with getting people to calm down! Talindra is doing her best but seems to only be making matters worse.


Female Human Cleric (Cloistered) - 3 (HP 35/35) (Hero Point Spent) (Hero P gained)

Heh. Well, Lenrelle doesn't THINK anyone here will kill her for opening a door and heading that way. Whether she comes across as a voice of reason or not is for each to decide for themselves. :)

And yes, good RP (Now that I'm done catching up) , very passionate indeed.

EDIT I should say the cleric sees both men's points and feels for both, but they're coming close to making Billi cry! ;)

Radiant Oath

NG female (she/her) Whisper Elf Champion 3 HP 29/45 | AC 19 | F +10 R +5 W +8 | Perc +6 | Glaive +9 1d8 +3 S | Spell Atk +7 DC 14 Spd 30 | Focus 0/1 | Active Conditions: Grabbed, constricted | Hero Points: 1

I certainly think Lenrelle is a voice of reason, and Talindra is not going to let her die alone. :) She's at about the same point as Billi, in fact, so doing something to distract from the emotions will help.

About what time is it? Early evening?


You met at Zellara's at sunset and we will assume it is summertime so it gets dark later. With the wait for her arrival, the reading, and the post-harrow discussion, I would say it is likely around 10pm by the time you leave the cottage, and it takes you roughly 30 minutes to find Westpier 17 (description coming soon).

Thank you for the spirited roleplay, and I understand the tension between the sides. And if you find Lamm, it should prove to be an interesting confrontation.

Mostly, thanks for not letting it split up the party this early in the campaign!


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Dwarf Fighter 3 HP 49/49 | Harrow 0/1 | AC 21 (23 with shield raised) | F +10 R +7 W +9 | +2 Init/Perc +9 | Axe +11 1d8 +4 S | Spd 20 | Active Conditions: None Exploration: Search 7gp owed Sable

Billi will be in investigate mode while exploring, and he is an expert in perception. Others can follow his lead. This I learned in a short PFS 2e scenario.

Follow the Expert: Choose an ally attempting a recurring skill check while exploring, such as climbing, or performing a different exploration tactic that requires a skill check (like Avoiding Notice). The ally must be at least an expert in that skill and must be willing to provide assistance. While Following the Expert, you match their tactic or attempt similar skill checks. Thanks to your ally’s assistance, you can add your level as a proficiency bonus to the associated skill check, even if you’re untrained. Additionally, you gain a circumstance bonus to your skill check based on your ally’s proficiency (+2 for expert, +3 for master, and +4 for legendary).


Female Human Cleric (Cloistered) - 3 (HP 35/35) (Hero Point Spent) (Hero P gained)
Billi Hardstone wrote:

Billi will be in investigate mode while exploring, and he is an expert in perception. Others can follow his lead. This I learned in a short PFS 2e scenario.

Follow the Expert: Choose an ally attempting a recurring skill check while exploring, such as climbing, or performing a different exploration tactic that requires a skill check (like Avoiding Notice). The ally must be at least an expert in that skill and must be willing to provide assistance. While Following the Expert, you match their tactic or attempt similar skill checks. Thanks to your ally’s assistance, you can add your level as a proficiency bonus to the associated skill check, even if you’re untrained. Additionally, you gain a circumstance bonus to your skill check based on your ally’s proficiency (+2 for expert, +3 for master, and +4 for legendary).

I went with recall knowledge but this is good to know

Radiant Oath

NG female (she/her) Whisper Elf Champion 3 HP 29/45 | AC 19 | F +10 R +5 W +8 | Perc +6 | Glaive +9 1d8 +3 S | Spell Atk +7 DC 14 Spd 30 | Focus 0/1 | Active Conditions: Grabbed, constricted | Hero Points: 1

Sorry about all the edits there, apparently the forums don't like embedding quotes in OOC or vice versa. Is there a better way of linking rules OOCly in posts?


22/22 HP | 1/1 FP
Talindra Ravenheart wrote:
Sorry about all the edits there, apparently the forums don't like embedding quotes in OOC or vice versa. Is there a better way of linking rules OOCly in posts?

You trying to do this?

Also, What is the broken image in front of your name? It throws off my view on my mobile browser, lol.

Radiant Oath

NG female (she/her) Whisper Elf Champion 3 HP 29/45 | AC 19 | F +10 R +5 W +8 | Perc +6 | Glaive +9 1d8 +3 S | Spell Atk +7 DC 14 Spd 30 | Focus 0/1 | Active Conditions: Grabbed, constricted | Hero Points: 1

Yes. For some reason it wasn't rendering it as either OOC or a quote when I tried. grmbl. The broken image is a broken link to a PFS faction. I originally created this character as a PFS character but applied for this game instead. She never ran in a PFS game so AFAIK that's not breaking any rules.


22/22 HP | 1/1 FP

The way I managed it was quote outer, ooc inner.

[ quote=Perivolt the teacher ][ ooc ]quote outer, ooc inner[ /ooc ][ /quote ]

Perivolt the teacher wrote:
quote outer, ooc inner

I think it breaks if you do it the other way around.

Although, using [ url ] to the actual rule page (like you did) or copy/paste in a spoiler should work, I'd imagine.

Hopefully this isn't coming across as condescending or mansplaining. Just trying to be helpful.


Dwarf Fighter 3 HP 49/49 | Harrow 0/1 | AC 21 (23 with shield raised) | F +10 R +7 W +9 | +2 Init/Perc +9 | Axe +11 1d8 +4 S | Spd 20 | Active Conditions: None Exploration: Search 7gp owed Sable

And Billi's skills are adjusted to make sure untrained ones just use his skill modifier and not his level -- but following an expert in a skill makes it like the skill is trained (+2 and use level).

I would add that mass stealth in pathfinder was difficult, and the feats that allowed everyone to share one stealth roll were problematic. Everyone following a stealth expert in exploration mode in 2E to sneak has a better feel to it.

And, giving the fighter class in 2E Expert in Perception at level 1 is no small thing -- I am already liking the 'upgrade' over 1E to the fighter in what is an important skill.

Radiant Oath

NG female (she/her) Whisper Elf Champion 3 HP 29/45 | AC 19 | F +10 R +5 W +8 | Perc +6 | Glaive +9 1d8 +3 S | Spell Atk +7 DC 14 Spd 30 | Focus 0/1 | Active Conditions: Grabbed, constricted | Hero Points: 1
Perivolt Ornelos wrote:

The way I managed it was quote outer, ooc inner.

[ quote=Perivolt the teacher ][ ooc ]quote outer, ooc inner[ /ooc ][ /quote ]

Perivolt the teacher wrote:
quote outer, ooc inner

I think it breaks if you do it the other way around.

Although, using [ url ] to the actual rule page (like you did) or copy/paste in a spoiler should work, I'd imagine.

Right, I tried to do it ooc outer, quote inner, because that's how it made sense in my head. I was quoting something out of character, not saying something out of character that was a quote. Semantically different but effectively identical. Can you tell I work in tech? :) Regardless, thank you for the tip! I'm happy to go either way, quoting or linking, whichever works easier for people.

Perivolt Ornelos wrote:
Hopefully this isn't coming across as condescending or mansplaining. Just trying to be helpful.

Haha nooooo, you're fine :) This kind of thing is very normal at work. Which I should be getting back to <_<


Billi Hardstone wrote:

And Billi's skills are adjusted to make sure untrained ones just use his skill modifier and not his level -- but following an expert in a skill makes it like the skill is trained (+2 and use level).

I would add that mass stealth in pathfinder was difficult, and the feats that allowed everyone to share one stealth roll were problematic. Everyone following a stealth expert in exploration mode in 2E to sneak has a better feel to it.

And, giving the fighter class in 2E Expert in Perception at level 1 is no small thing -- I am already liking the 'upgrade' over 1E to the fighter in what is an important skill.

This is a nice change. I agree


Dwarf Fighter 3 HP 49/49 | Harrow 0/1 | AC 21 (23 with shield raised) | F +10 R +7 W +9 | +2 Init/Perc +9 | Axe +11 1d8 +4 S | Spd 20 | Active Conditions: None Exploration: Search 7gp owed Sable

Billi really liked the idea to get to the boat first.

Unless there is something he doesn't know, a wooden constructed dock has to be better than a slippery shore.

Billi has ten candles and flint and steel if the humans need emergency light.

Radiant Oath

NG female (she/her) Whisper Elf Champion 3 HP 29/45 | AC 19 | F +10 R +5 W +8 | Perc +6 | Glaive +9 1d8 +3 S | Spell Atk +7 DC 14 Spd 30 | Focus 0/1 | Active Conditions: Grabbed, constricted | Hero Points: 1

Do I not hear anything with my Seek check?


Female Human Bard (Maestro) 3

We also have light cantrips from Sable and Lenrelle if light is needed later after the scouting.


Dwarf Fighter 3 HP 49/49 | Harrow 0/1 | AC 21 (23 with shield raised) | F +10 R +7 W +9 | +2 Init/Perc +9 | Axe +11 1d8 +4 S | Spd 20 | Active Conditions: None Exploration: Search 7gp owed Sable

If we make it to the end without incident, and there is a way on the boat, we will wave you up. But it never is that easy is it? And having never done this AP, well, it is all a big surprise for me.


There is enough ambient light (dim light) from the moon and the reflections off the river to not need another light source now. If you want to explore finely, like for a secret door or a contact lens, you may need more illumination. Also in a fight, you may need more.

Talindra, there's just not much more to see or hear outside right now. I addressed in the Game.

Billi, there is another way around the building on the south side, without having go down the steep embankment, a rickety boardwalk runs along that side like an alley.

Ioca, if you want to go another way, just tell me where you start your perimeter search. The loading dock side is now revealed..

Apologies for not posting last night. Ended up going out to dinner and having a bottle of wine instead...Should have some time this weekend to keep current if you do.


Dwarf Fighter 3 HP 49/49 | Harrow 0/1 | AC 21 (23 with shield raised) | F +10 R +7 W +9 | +2 Init/Perc +9 | Axe +11 1d8 +4 S | Spd 20 | Active Conditions: None Exploration: Search 7gp owed Sable

Sorry for confusion. When the cardinal directions seemed confusing I used far right. Intent was to move down the dock toward rear of boat.

Unlike Gimli. Billi is a good jumper, so he was thinking of jumping in boat.


Dwarf Fighter 3 HP 49/49 | Harrow 0/1 | AC 21 (23 with shield raised) | F +10 R +7 W +9 | +2 Init/Perc +9 | Axe +11 1d8 +4 S | Spd 20 | Active Conditions: None Exploration: Search 7gp owed Sable

A solid recon!! I put an arrow to the back door Billi likes.

It is closer to boat, it is a single door and hopefully less important than the other double doors.

I like the everybody go through the same door plan. The don't split the party rule is usually correct.

Radiant Oath

NG female (she/her) Whisper Elf Champion 3 HP 29/45 | AC 19 | F +10 R +5 W +8 | Perc +6 | Glaive +9 1d8 +3 S | Spell Atk +7 DC 14 Spd 30 | Focus 0/1 | Active Conditions: Grabbed, constricted | Hero Points: 1

I was clearly stymied by the map being a bit weird, so no worries here. Not going to retcon anything, I'll just try to keep it in mind going forward.


I am sorry about the map confusion. Guess I should've said something. I did try to label the direction since the map details took it off. As I recall there are other maps in this AP that are also not oriented to north/top, so please watch for them.

I got everyone at or near the door to enter the lower level of the fishery on the north (left) side. If that's not right, please correct me.

Radiant Oath

NG female (she/her) Whisper Elf Champion 3 HP 29/45 | AC 19 | F +10 R +5 W +8 | Perc +6 | Glaive +9 1d8 +3 S | Spell Atk +7 DC 14 Spd 30 | Focus 0/1 | Active Conditions: Grabbed, constricted | Hero Points: 1

No worries! Maps are hard, especially Paizo maps.

I'd like to try something creative. Talindra wants to be by the door with Ioca in case there's something unfriendly on the other side. So far so normal. While I'm there, can I use Perception with my sharp ears--and elven eyes that can see just fine in the dim light--to use the Aid action to assist Ioca unlocking the door?


Talindra Ravenheart wrote:

No worries! Maps are hard, especially Paizo maps.

I'd like to try something creative. Talindra wants to be by the door with Ioca in case there's something unfriendly on the other side. So far so normal. While I'm there, can I use Perception with my sharp ears--and elven eyes that can see just fine in the dim light--to use the Aid action to assist Ioca unlocking the door?

I didn't see this before I rolled for him, but if I had, I would've allowed it. You typically need a DC20+ result to give Aid which is +1 bonus on success, +2 on critical success. He made the DC without the aid, in this case anyway but good thinking and teamwork.


You guys can debate future marching order here, but i am just moving the story forward since I have the opportunity to. Right now, I have the order as

  • Billi
  • Talindra
  • Sable
  • Lenrelle
  • Perivolt
  • Ioca
  • If you want to adjust for future scenes, please feel free.

    Radiant Oath

    NG female (she/her) Whisper Elf Champion 3 HP 29/45 | AC 19 | F +10 R +5 W +8 | Perc +6 | Glaive +9 1d8 +3 S | Spell Atk +7 DC 14 Spd 30 | Focus 0/1 | Active Conditions: Grabbed, constricted | Hero Points: 1

    As we're about to potentially get into our first fight, I would like some important clarification. Talindra is a champion of Shelyn, which means her champion code demands she try to redeem evildoers and not harm people she can redeem. How far does that go? I've luckily got a pretty good initiative score, but maybe not the best. I'm not going to demand others do as I do, but Talindra needs to abide by her code. If I spend my turn parleying with the people here and they start a fight, does that satisfy the requirement to attempt redemption? How far do I need to go, mechanically speaking?


    Female Human Bard (Maestro) 3

    Is the scale of the map 5 feet per square or 10? I'm guessing 5, but want to be sure.


    Sable Rose wrote:
    Is the scale of the map 5 feet per square or 10? I'm guessing 5, but want to be sure.

    Yes, that is the scale. So this room is roughly 45' across. The lighting here is dark, so combat is going to be a challenge for humans.

    Darkness:A creature or object within darkness is hidden or undetected unless the seeker has darkvision or a precise sense other than vision (Special Senses are on page 465). A creature without darkvision or another means of perceiving in darkness has the blinded condition while in darkness, though it might be able to see illuminated areas beyond the darkness. If a creature can see into an illuminated area, it can observe creatures within that illuminated area normally. After being in darkness, sudden exposure to bright light might make you dazzled for a short time, as determined by the GM.


    Talindra Ravenheart wrote:
    As we're about to potentially get into our first fight, I would like some important clarification. Talindra is a champion of Shelyn, which means her champion code demands she try to redeem evildoers and not harm people she can redeem. How far does that go? I've luckily got a pretty good initiative score, but maybe not the best. I'm not going to demand others do as I do, but Talindra needs to abide by her code. If I spend my turn parleying with the people here and they start a fight, does that satisfy the requirement to attempt redemption? How far do I need to go, mechanically speaking?

    Talindra:

    This is a tough question, but I don't plan to hold you to an impossible standard (you can hold yourself to the standard if you wish). IMO, if there are bad guys who you can redeem with words, then great. If you have to redeem them with violence that's fine too. I think the issues are going to be outright killing (or allowing to be killed) of someone who surrenders etc, not so much fighting those who refuse to be redeemed. You'll have lots of leeway from me, unless you don't want it. Further IMO, this includes Lamm or his cronies. Condoning his outright murder, though perhaps deserved is going to be a challenge. If he dies fighting that might be different.

    Let me know if you disagree.

    Radiant Oath

    NG female (she/her) Whisper Elf Champion 3 HP 29/45 | AC 19 | F +10 R +5 W +8 | Perc +6 | Glaive +9 1d8 +3 S | Spell Atk +7 DC 14 Spd 30 | Focus 0/1 | Active Conditions: Grabbed, constricted | Hero Points: 1

    Ethics:
    Yes, it is a tough question, but there's a lot at stake given what the CRB says, so I wanted to be sure I understood. :) Everything you've said makes sense. I think being lenient, at least for now, is best as I (the player) am still learning things. So I'll push for mercy when people surrender. I'll think about how to handle Lamm when we get to him. Talindra's promised Perivolt she'd let him get his answers, so that's a start. Thank you for answering such a challenging question! This is always a hard thing to manage with paladins/champions and I think we've come to a good degree of agreement here.

    Oh oh, just thought of this. There are several foes whose turns are before mine. I'd like to use my glimpse of redemption if any of them hit any of us. This brings me to the section on reactions in encounters on page 472.

    CRB wrote:
    The GM determines whether you can use reactions before your first turn begins, depending on the situation in which the encounter happens.


    22/22 HP | 1/1 FP

    Might be a silly question, but is speech out of turn possible? Or should I assume anything I burst out only considered to happen on my initiative? Also, speaking is still a free action in PF2E, yes?


    Dwarf Fighter 3 HP 49/49 | Harrow 0/1 | AC 21 (23 with shield raised) | F +10 R +7 W +9 | +2 Init/Perc +9 | Axe +11 1d8 +4 S | Spd 20 | Active Conditions: None Exploration: Search 7gp owed Sable

    Holding a single > actions costs >>
    And you fancy 30' move guys can go 9 whole spaces in the dark with three strides!!
    I assume you don't have to count double until you enter the fishery, so the door may even be regular cost.
    No higher ground in 2E, so going up the stairs gives no bonus I could find.
    And flatfooted is totally different in 2E, no one is flatfooted due to initiative!!


    Chelaxian Human Rogue (Scoundrel) 1

    Yeah, I forgot the triple action thing. A single, unimpeded stride would get me to the specific square where Billi started. Of course, I don't know that the line of people on a rickety pier counts as unimpeded. Then I could move a total of 4 or 5 squares after, since you implied those rules.

    I still think waiting better serves my purposes. Especially if somebody adds light to the room . . ..


    Female Human Cleric (Cloistered) - 3 (HP 35/35) (Hero Point Spent) (Hero P gained)
    Ioca Dola wrote:

    Yeah, I forgot the triple action thing. A single, unimpeded stride would get me to the specific square where Billi started. Of course, I don't know that the line of people on a rickety pier counts as unimpeded. Then I could move a total of 4 or 5 squares after, since you implied those rules.

    I still think waiting better serves my purposes. Especially if somebody adds light to the room . . ..

    Planning on that. Lenrelle can't heal what she can't see and i think we're going to need that soon :)

    Radiant Oath

    NG female (she/her) Whisper Elf Champion 3 HP 29/45 | AC 19 | F +10 R +5 W +8 | Perc +6 | Glaive +9 1d8 +3 S | Spell Atk +7 DC 14 Spd 30 | Focus 0/1 | Active Conditions: Grabbed, constricted | Hero Points: 1

    We will, but hopefully my reaction triggers to keep the incoming damage low / minimal. Also, I can help out a little bit with the healing duties! Lay on Hands is a focus spell, and I can recharge that with a Refocus action that takes ten minutes (during which I can do other stuff). This is a drastic improvement over 1e where you get a small number of uses per day.


    Female Human Bard (Maestro) 3

    Sable has limited healing as well with Soothe.


    22/22 HP | 1/1 FP

    So about dancing lights...

    When I first cast the spell, can they appear anywhere I want within the range of 120ft? Or must they start in my square and then move as I sustain?

    My thoughts are to have them appear over one of the bad guys and then daisy chain each orb 10ft until they reach the other baddie, kind of like putting an icon over them MMO style, but functionally making it bright for them and not for us since it would become this situation:

    Darkness wrote:

    "...it might be able to see illuminated areas beyond the darkness. If a creature can see into an illuminated area, it can observe creatures within that illuminated area normally"

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