ok, Gnasher's updated, he purchased 'boots of Speed' and an 'unfettered shirt' to go with the other items he had.
I do have a question on the 'fly' skill. It's not listed as a skill for the bloodrage, but he has learned the spell 'fly.' Does he now get Fly as a class skill?
Crap, I forgot the 11 th lvl feat, he'll take Phalanx Formation (Combat)
+1 BAB
Infusion- Rare-Metal Infusion
Infusion Specialization 3
Internal Buffer 2
Supercharge (Gather Power reduces by 2 now when I use a Move action instead of 1)
+1 to Acrobatics, Disable Device, Perception
+2 to Stealth
Rations* 5/5 5 2.5 gp
Wand of Infernal Healing 1/1 - 750 gp
Other Gear 82K
+5 Mithril Chainmail (Found) 1/1 12.5 22,650 gp (Found item +3 Mithril)
Ring of Maniacal Devices 1/1 - 5000 gp
Cloak of Resistance +4 1/1 - 8500 gp (Found +1)
Handy Haversack 1/1 5 2000 GP
Belt of Physical Might (Constitution/Dexterity) 1/1 1 10000GP
Ring of Protection +2 1/1 - 4000gp (Found +2)
Eyes of the Eagle 1/1 - 2500 GP
Amulet of Natural Armor +2 1/1 8000 GP
Headband of Inspired Wisdom +2 2000 gp (Found +2)
Boots of Speed 1/1 12000 gp
Bead of New Prevention 1/1 1000gp
Spiked Gauntlet 1/1 1 5 gp
Traveler's Outfit 1/1 5 Free
50 ft rope* 1/1 5 10 gp
Grappling Hook* 1/1 4 1 gp
Crowbar* 1/1 5 2 gp
Waterskin* 1/1 4 1 gp
Bedroll* 1/1 5 0.1 gp
*=In Haversack
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ok, Gnasher's updated, he purchased 'boots of Speed' and an 'unfettered shirt' to go with the other items he had.
I do have a question on the 'fly' skill. It's not listed as a skill for the bloodrage, but he has learned the spell 'fly.' Does he now get Fly as a class skill?
Crap, I forgot the 11th lvl feat, he'll take Phalanx Formation (Combat)
Being able to fly, even by spell, allows a character to gain ranks in the fly skill. Until a character can fly they can have no ranks. It does not, however, make it a class skill.
I love a feat that reduces math :)
Cloak of Resistance +4 1/1 - 8500 gp (Found +1)
Did you mean a +3 cloak? The math makes sense if so.
How much of your 82K does that use up? You may want to stock up on potions with some of the remainder.
I started to go to a +4, and then dropped back down. I will correct that on the item list.
Either we finish them off here, or drag them back with us."[/b]
Possibly a pertinent question, how many unconscious shaitans are there?
The only one outright killed was Obherak. You could save the others.
I was trying to sort out how many of them Gnasher would have to drag along :)
Lots. 7? There were a couple more you dealt with hen you first entered the room too.
looks like he's going to need to tie them to each other and drag them with his rope...
A shaitan stands about 11 feet tall and weighs roughly 5,000 pounds. Gnasher has a heavy load of 460 lbs. and can drag almost 2,500 lbs. With Shadow's help you could probably drag one of them. But not across a desert. You may want to try talking to one of them first? The trick is to make sure he cannot escape.
so we're getting bogged down on whether to wake them and talk to them or just kill them. Leaving them isn't an option?
I guess that is up to me :) But from your conversation you are not sure.
I guess that is up to me :) But from your conversation you are not sure.
so true, I'll think on it more once I've got a couple cups of coffee in me :)
Well, as per the quote I quoted, we were told to either kill them, or convince them to leave... Simply leaving them behind isn't an option...
Then we should wake them one at a time and see if we can convince them.
The problem is their earth glide ability - if they want to, they can just sink into the ground, and we will never catch them.
It will also take us, what, weeks? to get back to the 'exit' point over the edge of the world. Being stuck on a ship with that many of them seems like a bad idea.
If dragging them back unconscious is impractical, my vote is to painlessly take them out whilst they are unconscious.
However, I appreciate that is just being moderately bloodthirsty out of convenience, so I am happy to be outvoted.
Is it good to kill an evil creature in cold blood? Since this is a game we usually let each character decide for themselves and avoid turning it into a serious discussion. So murder hobo if you choose to, or take the higher road and have fun with that if you choose that path. Either way, have fun with the deciding and doing :) And if it stops being fun, move on.
Is it good to kill an evil creature in cold blood? ... And if it stops being fun, move on.
Well, I don't know about Seif-al-Din or Malgrim, but it has stopped being fun me. Gnasher is neutral, not good, I thought the shaitan were neutral as well, not that it matters.
And we have no other way to contact Lahapraset?
If we got them to the boat it would prohibit the earth glide, but that seems like a very long process.
Exactly. You really have three choices and need to make one.
Kill them
Leave them
Talk to them
Moving them is pretty much impossible and you need to go back to Lahapraset's island.
Hint: it will not matter much in the long run.
You have progressed to the 5th book of the AP, The Impossible Eye. I have an unofficial copy so I did the intro, but I think we agreed we want an official copy if we want to proceed.
I just 'won' a $20-off voucher at an online con, so I put it towards the 5th book of this AP - you should have received it by now, Miteke :-)
Got it. Thanks Luke. Remember to level up to level 11.
I just 'won' a $20-off voucher at an online con, so I put it towards the 5th book of this AP - you should have received it by now, Miteke :-)
wow, thanks Seif-al-Din!
Thanks Seif! I am happy to take care of getting book 6 when we get there.
Neither Malgrim nor Urah mind the heat. Speaking of Urah, he is picking up some spells. Anyone want to put in a request?
In terms of Urah's spells from the level-up, my recommendations are:
1st: Feather Fall or Liberating Command
2nd: Resist Energy or Suppress Charms and Compulsions
3rd: Haste
Level 11 - Shadow:
(No change)
Level 11 - Seif-al-Din:
+ hit points (goes to 5+3=8)
+1 BAB
+1 Diplomacy, Arcana, History, Planes, Religion, Spellcraft, UMD
+1 4th level spell slot
+1 5th level spell slot
Spells Known: Ancestral Communion (2nd), Create Food and Drink (3rd), Death Ward (4th), Life Bubble (5th)
FC Bonus: Freedom of Movement (4th)
Revelation: Moonlight Bridge
Equipment:
(+20,000gp)
Sold 250gp diamond dust
Amulet of Mighty Fists (Holy) = 8000 (crafted)
Belt of Giant Strength +4 = 8000 (crafted)
Helm of the Mammoth Lord = 4250 (crafted)
I think, going forward, I am going to limit crafting.
New rules going forward:
Do the numbers seem fair? Any changes requested?
I am fine with that, but I note that means I could not have actually crafted more than 50% of the items (since, at level 11, I would be limited to items 4300gp or less) I have crafted to-date.
I will re-jig my items accordingly; give me an hour or two.
No, just going forward. You can have all the crafted items you want this level up.
And the way it works is you can craft your WBL each level up. So level 10 you could craft 3100, which stays crafted, Then level 11 you can craft 4100, which stays crafted and on your loot list so you could have up to 8400 crafted with just those two levels.
Not sure if the number makes sense though. 4100 at level 11 seems pretty small. Maybe bump it up to 10%? I am open to negotiation and other ideas too as long as it helps prevent crafting fever.
There is a slight delay in moving forward as I check out your builds. There is a combat up front, but then I need to read through the AP. The author likes to sneak things in on page 30 that you need to know for a room on page 10.
Ouch. Sounds painful :-/
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It can be. And my memory is such that even after a read through I forget things or cannot find them later. On the bright side, we've made it to book 5 which I consider a major accomplishment as a GM.
I have updated the sheet.
@Gnasher
Please check your math on your HP. I get 155 and you have 135
some of your attacks cite +9, some +7 and some as +5 as your strength bonus. Please cite the correct strength bonus and include the augmenting bonuses separately so I know where they are coming from.
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@Malgrim
Please cite the source of the +6 competence bonus to perception. Or +7. You have it listed both ways in different sections.
In your tag line please note the reduced AC if no burn. Do you always have the Shroud of Water active? I see it is listed as a shield bonus. I thought at level 11 you would only get a +4 but you have it listed as +6. I assume it is because you accept 2 burn to gain the extra +2? Please mention that in the AC calcs. I notice that you have Burn 5 listed. Is that partially because of this?
Help me understand the hitpoints. I get the 128 but not the 160 or why you have 150 in your tag line but 160 on your character sheet.
Normally a kineticist can only use light armor but you are using medium armor. Are you taking the ACP penalty to attacks or did you pick up proficiency and I just did not notice.
Misspelled "Bead of New Prevention
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@Seif
Your Charisma is 24 now, right, with the +4 headband? I think a number of your calcs are still using the old +6 bonus.
Could you check the math on your skills? It says you get 7/level but the total is 88 which suggests an item that gave you a +1 bonus to int and free tanks or something?
Please cite the source of the +6 competence bonus to perception. Or +7. You have it listed both ways in different sections.In your tag line please note the reduced AC if no burn. Do you always have the Shroud of Water active? I see it is listed as a shield bonus. I thought at level 11 you would only get a +4 but you have it listed as +6. I assume it is because you accept 2 burn to gain the extra +2? Please mention that in the AC calcs. I notice that you have Burn 5 listed. Is that partially because of this?
Help me understand the hitpoints. I get the 128 but not the 160 or why you have 150 in your tag line but 160 on your character sheet.
Normally a kineticist can only use light armor but you are using medium armor. Are you taking the ACP penalty to attacks or did you pick up proficiency and I just did not notice.
Misspelled "Bead of New Prevention
I am not sure where one of the bonuses came from. It may have been from an item I no longer have. It's +5 from Eyes of the Eagle and +1 from the Seker Trait. In one place I merged the two and in another I split them. I have gone through and split them everywhere.
I always start the day with 5 burn. This boosts my stats and gives me the bigger shield bonus and buffs all of my physical stats.
The one 160 is a mistake. When I have 5 burn I boost my Constitution by +4 as a size bonus. This adds 22 HPs at the cost of a bunch of burn. Which is why I have the (95/150) to show that I am down 55 nonlethal that cannot be healed all the time.
I have not been taking the penalty. I will reduce the armor to what I can afford as a chain shirt instead. I did not realize that I still needed the penalty when the group gave it to me some time ago. I did not actually take a feat, so if it is ok, I will just take Medium Armor Proficiency now.
I fixed Newt.
Re: Cha calculations, some things (like my AC) are limited to +6, rather than the +7 bonus, due to my armor (that has been the case for a while).
Re: skill ranks, I am not sure what you are talking about?
Appraise (1 rank) + Diplomacy (11 ranks) + Arcana (11 ranks) + History (9 ranks) + Planes (11 ranks) + Religion (11 ranks) + Merchant (1 rank) + Spellcraft (11 ranks) + UMD (11 ranks) = 77 ranks total?
@Gnasher
Please check your math on your HP. I get 155 and you have 135some of your attacks cite +9, some +7 and some as +5 as your strength bonus. Please cite the correct strength bonus and include the augmenting bonuses separately so I know where they are coming from.
So here is my math on the HP
135 = 10 + 6 + 6 + 9 + 6 + 8 + 6 + 6 + 8 + 8 + 7 + 55[11(3 [con] + 1 [FC] + 1 [toughness])] 10 at first level I rolled the next ten for 70 and 55 for eleven levels with a constitution bonus of +3, favored class and toughness. I would love 20 more HP, but I don't know what am I missing.Also the str is for damage, the higher numbers are for two handed weapons, so a + 5 becomes a + 7, when enlarged a + 6 becomes a + 9. How should I alter it?
Re: Cha calculations, some things (like my AC) are limited to +6, rather than the +7 bonus, due to my armor (that has been the case for a while).
Makes sense. Could you label it as + 7 Cha -1 armor cap or something like that?
Re: skill ranks, I am not sure what you are talking about?
My mistake. I read the +10 from Hat of Disguise as a rank bonus.
if it is ok, I will just take Medium Armor Proficiency now.
Sure! particularly if it saves us having to do the math to fix the character sheet :)
When I have 5 burn I boost my Constitution by +4 as a size bonus. This adds 22 HPs at the cost of a bunch of burn. Which is why I have the (95/150) to show that I am down 55 nonlethal that cannot be healed all the time.
That explains the added 22 HP, but why are you down 55 HP? Wouldn't you be down 5 HP and be at 145/150?
Kineticists are complicated! Glad you had to figure all that out and not me :)
Not sure. Naybe I did bad math.So here is my math on the HP
135 = 10 + 6 + 6 + 9 + 6 + 8 + 6 + 6 + 8 + 8 + 7 + 55[11(3 [con] + 1 [FC] + 1 [toughness])] 10 at first level I rolled the next ten for 70 and 55 for eleven levels with a constitution bonus of +3, favored class and toughness. I would love 20 more HP, but I don't know what am I missing.
Also the str is for damage, the higher numbers are for two handed weapons, so a + 5 becomes a + 7, when enlarged a + 6 becomes a + 9. How should I alter it?something like this.
Rage Melee attacks:
+1 fire outsider bane frost Falchion, 1d10, 18-20/x2, S
damage 1d10 + 5 [str] +2 [2 handed bonus] 3 [rage] + 1 [magical enhancement] + 1d6 [frost] + 2 + 2d6[fire outsider bane]
Enlarged Rage Melee attacks:+1 fire outsider bane frost Falchion, 2d8, 18-20/x2, S
damage 2d8 + 5 [str] +1 [enlarged strength bonus] +3 [2 handed bonus] +3 [rage] + 1 [magical enhancement] + 1d6 [frost] + 2+2d6[fire outsider bane]
got it! give me about five to edit it :)
Done
That explains the added 22 HP, but why are you down 55 HP? Wouldn't you be down 5 HP and be at 145/150?
This is a quote from the Burn rule. "For each point of burn she accepts, a kineticist takes 1 point of nonlethal damage per character level."
So at 11th level, each point of Burn reduces me by 11 hit points. Burn is painful. But the Kineticist is also built on Constitution so you have a lot of hit points to play with.
That explains the added 22 HP, but why are you down 55 HP? Wouldn't you be down 5 HP and be at 145/150?This is a quote from the Burn rule. "For each point of burn she accepts, a kineticist takes 1 point of nonlethal damage per character level."
So at 11th level, each point of Burn reduces me by 11 hit points. Burn is painful. But the Kineticist is also built on Constitution so you have a lot of hit points to play with.
Aha. I am used to burn costing 1. A real incentive to reducing the burn to 0! If you go unconscious what happens to the HP total? I'm going to have to play a kineticist just to learn the rules.
got it! give me about five to edit it :)
Done
you still have a couple of holdovers like this
attack: + 20 = 11 [BAB] + 1 [ME] + 6 [str] + 3 [rage] - 1 [size]
attack: + 20 = 11 [BAB] + 6 [str] + 3 [rage] - 1 [size] + 1 [amulet of mighty fists]
I'm going to assume that your inits are updated and move on in the combat soon.
hmmm I will take another look, but yeah I changed the party info sheet
those two are fixed now.
Aha. I am used to burn costing 1. A real incentive to reducing the burn to 0! If you go unconscious what happens to the HP total? I'm going to have to play a kineticist just to learn the rules.
It works just like any other non-lethal damage. There is a max amount of Burn you can take in a day, so I cannot knock myself out using Burn unless I have taken other damage. If I go down and someone keeps smacking me I would die as normal. That is why I only take any additional burn when absolutely necessary, like to heal ability damage.
Should I have Urah pass?
I'm happy to let him pass, we can keep him back as our secret weapon...
Does anyone take the torch before moving on? Anyone dumb enough to store it in their backpack?
Gnasher is dumb enough, but he's also lazy. With dark vision he really doesn't need the light and with fur he's fairly warm already.