Kingmaker

Game Master Malinor.

I am just preparing the ground so to speak. I hope Jackob survives but Char gen in Pathfinder is complex so just in case.......

I agree with Rillka, I cannot see Andreas leaving you behind like this.

I appreciate it but if you decide to cut your losses I will understand. I mainly wanted to be clear that I will not throw a fit if things go south.

Sir Andreas Eisfalke Von Ulm wrote:

I agree with Rillka, I cannot see Andreas leaving you behind like this.

I appreciate it but if you decide to cut your losses I will understand. I mainly wanted to be clear that I will not throw a fit if things go south.

And that is great to know :-)

But Rhavi also agree with staying and fighting.

And to hopefully get back and craft some alchemist fire. Can't believe I have forgotten to do that!!

This is why Rillka is Councilor. And despite Rilka's annoyance with most of Andreas's decisions, Andreas is loyal and would rather sacrifice himself than another. That more than anything has earned him Rillka's loyalty.

@Jackob - I respect that you are willing to be the sacrificial PC; I am ok with PC deaths and even a good TPK if that happens... IF it does, we blame Rhavi for not making alchemist fire and move on. (Joking!!) We just move on. Until then, we fight with our PC's lives to save you!

I assume that this creature has regeneration? and that it is fire and bludgeoning that stops it, correct?

Reading up on the regeneration rules, it says "Certain attack forms, typically fire and acid, cause a creature’s regeneration to stop functioning on the round following the attack. During this round, the creature does not heal any damage and can die normally."

Shouldn't the thing then take full damage from the other attacks on the rounds after I have attacked it with fire?

You are correct. I did not realize they had changed Regeneration from 3.5 as well. I will add the damage back in next time I post. Its still up, but looking very battered.

Huh… I have been doing that wrong in my other games…

So I looked over the math and I don't think that Sir Andreas would have changed his attack to bludgeoning because his first damage would not have healed. So I am going to retcon some things and assume that Sir Andreas did his first attack with the d10 as non-healing slashing damage instead of switching to bludgeoning.

With that in mind, Rhavi's last attack drops it and does damage to it so it is not regenerating this round. Its not quite dead, but its quite close.

The big problem is that Jackob is still sitting in a giant pool of acid. You need to cut him out fast. You do know generally where he is so you can slash at him to try and cut him out. We will see if the group can cut him out before he melts. For the purposes of this assume you are can do it without stabbing him because there are no rules that say you do. You just need to do enough damage with a slashing weapon.

Sorry about the delay in the turn. I sat down to do it a couple of times and things kept rearing up. But here we are. 5 more turns and we are off!

Go!

Heading out of net access for a week or so. Will try to hop in if I can catch any connection. Otherwise talk among yourselves.

See you in a bit.
~PWO

Anyone want to propose a plan for month 8?

I propose anything that will aid our stability. This is ridiculous how low the stability rolls are. I mean come on how many 1,2 and 3 can we roll on the same check.

Also given that we had a scare that threatened the people...from a RP stance, I think it is time to add guards or something along those lines to help protect the citizens. We are growing after all.

Technically, at this point you fail about 1 in 5 rolls. You made the last 3 or so in a row. Its within the averages. But you could aim to get it to be an autopass if you want. Although some events may have modifiers.

Also given that we had a scare that threatened the people...from a RP stance, I think it is time to add guards or something along those lines to help protect the citizens. We are growing after all.

Are you talking about an army? or something else? Will an army help with stability?

Tried to read up on the army part, but didn't really make any sense to me. It also says that it is a supplement to the basis rules. Which is the Ultimate Campaign and the Ultimate Rulership, correct?

I don't have access to the Ultimate Rulership at least. Any way we can get that of could you, GM, explain those rules?

Not necessarily an army but guards to patrol the city. To maintain order and stability. (Hopefully)

I went through and pulled the buildings that you could build or save for that provide stability. I recommend finding items like the Baths, Brickyard, etc. that also provide Economy so you can start making more BP. But the Watchtower or the Garrison are options that increases defense and stability.

You guys are Size 9 which limits you to one building and the house (Which you have quite a few of). If you wanted to risk getting up to Size 11 you would be able to create two buildings a turn and three terrain improvements instead of your current 1 and 2.

What about a trade shop? or pier...
It adds economy and stabilty (pier increases crime)...

They are higher value items, but focusing on one building for now, one of these buildings is probably best.

Can we get a second for the shop or pier idea? Do we want to also build more mines, roads, etc?

I would think a trade shop would be best. What does the productivity +1 do?

Trade shop (10bp)and a road (3bp) then?

You can do two terrain improvements. Do you want to build two roads or save more BP for something bigger? Where do you want the roads and which city for the trade shop?

What about two roads...F20 G19
That will connect the Outpost with the capital.
I think it makes sense for the trade shop to be in the outpost.

Can we get a second?

Two roads and a trade shop at Olegstown. Second.
All in favor? Aye

Sounds good!

Back from wandering aimlessly in the woods. I am good with the Trade shop and the roads. We do need to add a bathhouse soon-ish though.

On a side note...I am thinking Caerwyn Callandriil is not coming back as he has not posted in this game since February but has been posting in his other game regularly. Shall we replace him or just keep going on without him.

Shall I send a message?

I think he is gone. I was just going to continue with the four of you. If you guys want to recruit we can. This would be the time to do it. Let me know.

What are you doing in Turn 9? Go!

I think we could use an extra body. Either a damage dealer or a prepared caster would come in handy.

I think we could use an extra body. Either a damage dealer or a prepared caster would come in handy.

I agree but we also need a sneaky trap person as well.

What about a bath house and two roads. G18, F21

Do we need to build our own roads on A20 A21 to get the benefits or are those considered already a road? Does that make sense?

The path that exists in the north is not actually a road. Its just a rough cart path currently. To get the benefits you need to build new roads.

We can try and recruit 1-2 more then. I will put up a recruitment later today.

@Coreyllon - In the Charts tab, table 4-6 says a road "connects" to all adjacent hexes. (And costs double if the hex has rivers as a bridge is built in)...
On the map it looks like roads are linear
My brain is having a hard time reconciling logic/reality and the game rules... I know part of the kingdom/city building is more symbolic than practical.... so; what's the deal there?

@All
Roads in G18 and F21 would both be double cost 6bp of roads total, that would only leave E19 for road development.
What about an herbalist or exotic artisan instead of the bath while we are limited to one building, use 10 bp rather than 4 and leaving 6-7 unspent.

That is just for purposes of the map. Technically, its not just a road but a network of roads going all over the zone and to all adjacent zones. If you built a road in E19 I would show connections to all three areas (D20, E20, F20) that already have roads in them. But putting a spiral of roads going everywhere immediately would just clutter the map.

That was what I hoping! Thank you!!

Party- see previous post for building suggestions

If we spend the BP on those roads, we gain an additional +1 Stability and +1 Economy due to 8 hexes of roads.
"Economy +1 for every 4 hexes of Road, Stability +1 for every 8 hexes of Road"

I do like the idea of other one of the herbalist or exotic artisans.
If we do the bath and the roads, we can get all three with 1 PB remaining.

What does the productivity +1 do?

Rillka was supporting roads but bath is a cheap buy; it can be picked up even if funds are low - we should buy something more costly while we have the funds and can only build 1 building (not counting the houses we already have a couple of)

Understandable.
If we do either one of those 10 BP buildings, we could only do 1 road (6bp). Costing us 16 Bp
Giving us +1 Stability and +1 to either Economy or Loyalty.
leaving us with 1 bp.
An Economy of +22 and +6BP (per a Round) (+5 for your mines, foundry and quarries and +1 for the sawmills/ lumberyards) A minimum of 13Bp a round (23/3=7+6=13) A max of 20Bp a round (42/3=14+6=20)
A Stability of +28 on a DC31 which we seem to fail a lot.

If we do the two roads (6bp each) and a bath(4bp)
Costing us 16Bp
This would give us +2 Economy +2 Stability.
leaving us with 1 bp.
An Economy of +24 and +6BP (per a Round) (+5 for your mines, foundry and quarries and +1 for the sawmills/ lumberyards) A minimum of 14Bp a round (24/3=8+6=14) A max of 20Bp a round (44/3=14+6=20)
A Stability of +29 on a DC31 meaning we can only fail on a 1.
I think I may have jinx us for next round.

While I agree that spending the most on what we can while we have the funds is a good idea. I am looking at the current situation as this.
Building the cheaper item and the two roads, nets us a better bonus than buying the more expensive item. More stability per a round and higher minimum money.

At least that is if I am doing this correctly, which I very well may not.

Remember that once you get to size 11 you can do two buildings a turn. Which can be a useful option.

You could also build mines in all of the hill regions. They give a static BP per turn.

I would also go for the most effective at this point, with the two roads and the bath.

But then I think we need to get to size 11 to get 2 buildings a turn. That will lower out stability, as we right now have a +2 bonus from the expansion edict.

You could also build mines in all of the hill regions. They give a static BP per turn.

The only region I think we have left for a mine is F20, right?

And technically also E20, but there we have the lair that would be good for a watchtower. And putting a watchtower there would create line-of-sight to both towns, giving us a way of warning the other town of trouble very fast. So I think we should leave that open for that. I don't think we can have a mine and a watchtower in the same square, right?

Sorry math is not Rillka's strong suit; Yeah, I thought it was 6BP for the two roads total, not each...

I am asking - would it be better to do a road/expensive building; road building (bath or other) over two turns vice vs 2 roads+bath and then what for the next turn? I don't know, and do not have a good answer and seek insight from the better planners.

With the way the die roller treats us...lol.
I am very much for getting all the bonuses we can right now so that it is not as hard when we do expand again. A DC of 31 with +27 to the roll and yet we still fail...lol.

I think the two roads to gain the bonuses for longest road (Catan) and a bath will give us a good standing for the next round. From there we can build something else.

Currently, E20 and F20 are the two places to build a mine.

So lets get a plan going! Someone throw up the plan and lets get a second going.

I posted a recruitment post. We will see what pops up.

There are two options being discussed
1= Two roads and a bath and then no plan….
2= Road bath this turn, road herbalist or exotic artisan the following turn before expanding again.

I requested feedback on option two; but didn’t get an actual answer. I am waiting on that to determine my preferred way forward.

I think the two roads to gain the bonuses for longest road (Catan) and a bath will give us a good standing for the next round. From there we can build something else.

I am assuming that the rules for only one terrain improvement are for those without an "*". Meaning I can have only one mine in a hex, but I could have a road, a farm, a watchtower and a mine in the same hex. Am I correct?

For the next round... I say we start building on our wealth for a bit before we expand again.

Build a terrain improvement of a mine (6) in E20, A city improvement of an Exotic Artisan (10) and a road(2x2=4) (if we have the funds) in G18.
The mine will give us Economy, BP. The artisan will give us Economy and Stability plus a minor magical item.

****Please can someone explain to me what it means when it states that we have a productivity +1 from a Lumberyard****

If it was already done, please do again as I did not see it...lol

@Sir Andreas Anything with an * can be built in a region with other items having an *. I read that as there can be 1 non-* item like the mine in the region as well. It would make no sense not to have a road to and from your mine.

Productivity effects Trade Edicts.

Productivity effects Trade Edicts.

Thank you

I vote for 2 roads and a bath for the round we are in right now.
I vote for a mine (e20) and exotic Artisan for next round.

Do we have a second?