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Since everything is going to be in darkness for a while, I want to sort out the lighting situation. Who will be maintaining what sources, magical or mundane? Where/what will they be cast on?

Also, I need to make a ruling on dancing lights. My inclination is to say that moving the lights counts as (re)directing a spell. Any counter arguments?


Female NG Human Bard 2 | HP: 15/15 | AC: 16 (12 Tch, 14 Fl) | CMB: +1, CMD: 13 | F: +0, R: +4, W: +3 | Init: +1 | Perc: +4, SM: +5 | Speed 30ft | Bardic Performance: 8/11 | Spells: 1st 4/4 | Active conditions: None.
PFSRD wrote:
The dancing lights must stay within a 10-foot-radius area in relation to each other but otherwise move as you desire (no concentration required): forward or back, up or down, straight or turning corners, or the like.

Helpful link! :D

My counter argument would be the "no concentration required" bit! But mostly, they're dancing and they move with you, so I think further clarification on what you mean by "moving the lights".


N Male Human Beastmorph Alchemist 1 | AC 15, T 11, FF 14 | hp 13/13 | Fort +4, Ref +3, Will +1 | Init +1 | Percep +10 | CMD 14 | Extracts 2/2 | Conditions: none

If someone is willing, Tiber will happily have a light spell applied to his shield. He could also hold a torch to use as a club with his shield (his primary weapon anyways).

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The mechanic I suggested is no concentration required. And where does it say that the lights move automatically with the caster? Floating disk has such language, but dancing lights doesn't.

And I mean any and every time you want them to move. Nothing suggests to me that they move on their own at all.


CG Male Human Oracle 1 | Speed 25 ft | AC 16 | HP 18/18 | F +5, Ref +4, Will +5 | Per +5 | Focus 1/2 | Hero 0/3 | Spells 1: 1/2 | Conditions: minor curse (trickster)
GM Granta wrote:
Also, I need to make a ruling on dancing lights. My inclination is to say that moving the lights counts as (re)directing a spell. Any counter arguments?

That's how I thought they worked (and why I didn't make them float over to the corpse this round, although I forgot I could make them appear at range).

EDIT: And Pavo's dancing lights are 'as needed,' not something he plans on maintaining as an adventuring light source.


Female NG Human Bard 2 | HP: 15/15 | AC: 16 (12 Tch, 14 Fl) | CMB: +1, CMD: 13 | F: +0, R: +4, W: +3 | Init: +1 | Perc: +4, SM: +5 | Speed 30ft | Bardic Performance: 8/11 | Spells: 1st 4/4 | Active conditions: None.

Ah, sorry, misread the last sentence. Or rather, I think I went brain-AFK because I remember registering it while I was reading it. I have no idea why I said that, orz.

My brain is imagining it was just a gesture to shift the lights to wherever you want them? I mean, that's what makes sense to me. So yeah, you've gotta look where you're redirecting 'em so I'm fine with the redirecting.


CN Female Human Wizard 2 | Speed 30 ft. | AC 12, T 12, FF 10 | hp 14/15 | Fort +2, Ref +2, Will +4 | Init +6 | Percep +3 | CMD 11 | Dazing touch 7/7 | Conditions: none

Yes, the redirecting wording is very similar, except it adds the move action part. Redirection is noted not requiring concentration. It sounds reasonable this way.

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Lady Delena wrote:
Yes, the redirecting wording is very similar, except it adds the move action part.

Exactly, and my feeling is that if it was supposed to be a free action, the spell would explicitly say so.


NG Male Human (Taldan) Oracle 7 | Speed 20 ft. | AC 17, T 13, FF 14 | hp 65/65 | Fort +7, Ref +7, Will +7 | Init +3 | Percep +6 | CMD 18 | Spells per day used: lvl1 0/7 lvl2 0/7 lvl3 0/5 Channels per day used: 0/6 | Conditions: none

The Dancing Lights ruling sounds correct. I've always played it as a free action to just move them but I think that's because I've always seen players use them out of round time. But what you all are saying makes sense.

Another question. Sorry if I missed this earlier. What gear do we have with us? I think it's nothing other than things we found in the rooms. Is that correct?

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Thalasou Eidelhan wrote:
What gear do we have with us? I think it's nothing other than things we found in the rooms. Is that correct?

Plus all your own gear. I don't think anything was confiscated when entering the Senate.


CG Male Human Oracle 1 | Speed 25 ft | AC 16 | HP 18/18 | F +5, Ref +4, Will +5 | Per +5 | Focus 1/2 | Hero 0/3 | Spells 1: 1/2 | Conditions: minor curse (trickster)
GM Granta wrote:
Thalasou Eidelhan wrote:
What gear do we have with us? I think it's nothing other than things we found in the rooms. Is that correct?
Plus all your own gear. I don't think anything was confiscated when entering the Senate.

Some people's crossbows.

Pavo took the MW rapier with him.

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Yay! The website is back up!

So, nobody actually said that they are keeping the lights on by default. Are you sure that's how you want to play it? Put another way, are you sure that you want to make the GM feel like you aren't reading his gameplay posts?


NG Male Human (Taldan) Oracle 7 | Speed 20 ft. | AC 17, T 13, FF 14 | hp 65/65 | Fort +7, Ref +7, Will +7 | Init +3 | Percep +6 | CMD 18 | Spells per day used: lvl1 0/7 lvl2 0/7 lvl3 0/5 Channels per day used: 0/6 | Conditions: none

I've read and re-read the post and I don't see what you're referring to. Is it the light level? I think we're all posting with respect to the light sources being Ayalina's and Pavo's lights.

Ah. I didn't post specifically my move action and standard action, although I was only doing a move and a standard (at least in my mind).

Or maybe I entirely missed the point. :-)


CN Female Human Wizard 2 | Speed 30 ft. | AC 12, T 12, FF 10 | hp 14/15 | Fort +2, Ref +2, Will +4 | Init +6 | Percep +3 | CMD 11 | Dazing touch 7/7 | Conditions: none

I thought about going with Pavo's and Ayalina's lights, as they can be moved, but why not light up the familiar? I just hope it doesn't get too much attention.

I might need a map icon for it, I'll try to make one when I get home from work.

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GM Granta wrote:
Unless otherwise stated, all rooms in this complex are shrouded in darkness and have 15-ft. ceilings. Doors are made from good wood. Walls are reinforced masonry.
GM Granta wrote:
Since everything is going to be in darkness for a while, I want to sort out the lighting situation. Who will be maintaining what sources, magical or mundane? Where/what will they be cast on?
Pavo the Bard wrote:
EDIT: And Pavo's dancing lights are 'as needed,' not something he plans on maintaining as an adventuring light source.

You were told that you'll be in darkness for a while and asked who wanted to keep the lights on. The only person to actually respond, said he wanted to stay in darkness.


CG Male Human Oracle 1 | Speed 25 ft | AC 16 | HP 18/18 | F +5, Ref +4, Will +5 | Per +5 | Focus 1/2 | Hero 0/3 | Spells 1: 1/2 | Conditions: minor curse (trickster)

That's not exactly what I said.

It would be better if someone with light or a persistent light source was the default light as it wouldn't require an action to move it along.

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Pavo the Bard wrote:
That's not exactly what I said.

I know, but that's more or less the effect. And I'm going with "more" in order to impress upon everyone the situation.


CG Male Human Oracle 1 | Speed 25 ft | AC 16 | HP 18/18 | F +5, Ref +4, Will +5 | Per +5 | Focus 1/2 | Hero 0/3 | Spells 1: 1/2 | Conditions: minor curse (trickster)
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Just be aware, snakes don't have actual necks

Note actually true. What kind of snakes have you been handling? Do yours look like cones? :)


NG Male Human (Taldan) Oracle 7 | Speed 20 ft. | AC 17, T 13, FF 14 | hp 65/65 | Fort +7, Ref +7, Will +7 | Init +3 | Percep +6 | CMD 18 | Spells per day used: lvl1 0/7 lvl2 0/7 lvl3 0/5 Channels per day used: 0/6 | Conditions: none

Ah. I only went in so far as the body since that was listed as lit. I didn't answer the question about lights since I was focused on figuring out what killed the nobleman. But now that we have info, I'll notice my surroundings a bit more.

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Pavo the Bard wrote:
Note actually true. What kind of snakes have you been handling? Do yours look like cones? :)

More like really dangerous pipes. Seriously though, do you think you could tie a ribbon around a snake and not have it slip off while they are slithering? That is, without making it tight enough to upset Disriana.

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Thalasou Eidelhan wrote:
Ah. I only went in so far as the body since that was listed as lit.

Your avatar was farther back when combat started, so that's where you effectively are. Keeping the map up to date does matter, folks!

Thalasou Eidelhan wrote:
I didn't answer the question about lights since I was focused on figuring out what killed the nobleman.

I assumed you didn't answer because you didn't have a light source.


CG Male Human Oracle 1 | Speed 25 ft | AC 16 | HP 18/18 | F +5, Ref +4, Will +5 | Per +5 | Focus 1/2 | Hero 0/3 | Spells 1: 1/2 | Conditions: minor curse (trickster)
GM Granta wrote:
Pavo the Bard wrote:
Note actually true. What kind of snakes have you been handling? Do yours look like cones? :)
More like really dangerous pipes. Seriously though, do you think you could tie a ribbon around a snake and not have it slip off while they are slithering? That is, without making it tight enough to upset Disriana.

Only since you asked: Yes.


CG Male Human Oracle 1 | Speed 25 ft | AC 16 | HP 18/18 | F +5, Ref +4, Will +5 | Per +5 | Focus 1/2 | Hero 0/3 | Spells 1: 1/2 | Conditions: minor curse (trickster)

Hmm. I am unclear if 'clearly trying to claw Tiber's throat out' is enough notice to notice something I cannot see and realize we are in danger.


NG Male Human (Taldan) Oracle 7 | Speed 20 ft. | AC 17, T 13, FF 14 | hp 65/65 | Fort +7, Ref +7, Will +7 | Init +3 | Percep +6 | CMD 18 | Spells per day used: lvl1 0/7 lvl2 0/7 lvl3 0/5 Channels per day used: 0/6 | Conditions: none

Are the orange, black, and red templates on the map showing lighted areas?

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Pavo the Bard wrote:
Hmm. I am unclear if 'clearly trying to claw Tiber's throat out' is enough notice to notice something I cannot see and realize we are in danger.

Everyone knows there is combat, yes. You just didn't notice enough to act in the surprise round.

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Thalasou Eidelhan wrote:
Are the orange, black, and red templates on the map showing lighted areas?

Yes, color coded to their spellcasters.


N Male Human Beastmorph Alchemist 1 | AC 15, T 11, FF 14 | hp 13/13 | Fort +4, Ref +3, Will +1 | Init +1 | Percep +10 | CMD 14 | Extracts 2/2 | Conditions: none

Tiber is still willing to be the host to a light source! Also no worries for the words-in-mouth, GM. The nature of PbP sometimes!


NG Male Human (Taldan) Oracle 7 | Speed 20 ft. | AC 17, T 13, FF 14 | hp 65/65 | Fort +7, Ref +7, Will +7 | Init +3 | Percep +6 | CMD 18 | Spells per day used: lvl1 0/7 lvl2 0/7 lvl3 0/5 Channels per day used: 0/6 | Conditions: none

That's a great idea (the templates and color coding). BTW, I really like being such a stickler for light sources. IMHO, that's one area that often gets hand-waved over too much.


Female NG Human Bard 2 | HP: 15/15 | AC: 16 (12 Tch, 14 Fl) | CMB: +1, CMD: 13 | F: +0, R: +4, W: +3 | Init: +1 | Perc: +4, SM: +5 | Speed 30ft | Bardic Performance: 8/11 | Spells: 1st 4/4 | Active conditions: None.

My rolls are eternally cursed, so Ayalina will keep her dancing lights up and about, too. I think I must have done some pretty terrible things in my past life. xD;


NG Male Human (Taldan) Oracle 7 | Speed 20 ft. | AC 17, T 13, FF 14 | hp 65/65 | Fort +7, Ref +7, Will +7 | Init +3 | Percep +6 | CMD 18 | Spells per day used: lvl1 0/7 lvl2 0/7 lvl3 0/5 Channels per day used: 0/6 | Conditions: none

I'm curious as to where we are with respect to the books. Are we 1/4, 1/2, 3/4 into book one? The reason I'm asking is I'm trying to get a sense of pace. I'm in 5 PbP APs and I'm looking at the progress in terms of book progress/months.

I'm just curious to see which of my games are fast and which are slow and maybe even extrapolate how long they will last.

I believe that this game is the fastest by far and that's because of the GM's excellent pressure to keep us moving forward.

If you're curious, once I have all of the data I'll let you know.


CN Female Human Wizard 2 | Speed 30 ft. | AC 12, T 12, FF 10 | hp 14/15 | Fort +2, Ref +2, Will +4 | Init +6 | Percep +3 | CMD 11 | Dazing touch 7/7 | Conditions: none

OK, I'll switch the light to Tiber later on, and keep it reapplied every 20 minutes.

I thought about casting light on a stick or a ribbon and have Disriana carry it in its mouth. That is one body part it definitely has.

I expected to have a bit of money and time for shopping after wasting my only undead in a tight space -spell on a barbarian, but sometimes things go bad. I have enlarge person to increase damage, but it would get pretty tight here.

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Thalasou Eidelhan wrote:
That's a great idea (the templates and color coding). BTW, I really like being such a stickler for light sources. IMHO, that's one area that often gets hand-waved over too much.

Just remember, there is another 20 ft. of reduced lighting outside the templates. Marking that felt like overkill, though.

Thalasou Eidelhan wrote:
I'm curious as to where we are with respect to the books. Are we 1/4, 1/2, 3/4 into book one?

By XP, you were 1/3 through book one when you leveled up. By page count, you are currently just over 50%.

Thalasou Eidelhan wrote:
If you're curious, once I have all of the data I'll let you know.

My totem animal is a cat.

Lady Delena wrote:
I expected to have a bit of money and time for shopping after wasting my only undead in a tight space -spell on a barbarian, but sometimes things go bad.

From the DOWNTIME post in Recruitment, "Most likely, you will not have any free time until the end of book one, at which point you will have eighteen days to play with." That means no shopping for the first three levels. The entirety of book one happens in a few days, whereas the later books can take months each.


NG Male Human (Taldan) Oracle 7 | Speed 20 ft. | AC 17, T 13, FF 14 | hp 65/65 | Fort +7, Ref +7, Will +7 | Init +3 | Percep +6 | CMD 18 | Spells per day used: lvl1 0/7 lvl2 0/7 lvl3 0/5 Channels per day used: 0/6 | Conditions: none

I gave up my crossbow before entering the whole gala and then we were attacked and ended up in the strange room. That means that unless it was mysteriously given back to me, I don't have it.

Do I have that right?

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Thalasou Eidelhan wrote:
I gave up my crossbow before entering the whole gala and then we were attacked and ended up in the strange room.

For some reason I thought you had been able to sneak them in, but I'm old, and my memory betrays me sometimes.

So . . . everyone should have all starting equipment plus loot that they claimed, minus crossbows.


NG Male Human (Taldan) Oracle 7 | Speed 20 ft. | AC 17, T 13, FF 14 | hp 65/65 | Fort +7, Ref +7, Will +7 | Init +3 | Percep +6 | CMD 18 | Spells per day used: lvl1 0/7 lvl2 0/7 lvl3 0/5 Channels per day used: 0/6 | Conditions: none

How do you want us spellcasters to track used daily spells? Normally I update my profile text with a section of consumables but if you have a different system you'd prefer for us to use, I'm happy to do that.

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Thalasou Eidelhan wrote:
How do you want us spellcasters to track used daily spells?

Personally, I track spontaneous and prepared casters differently. I like the info in tag lines, but prepared spells would take up too much space.

Spontaneous casters go in the tag line like this. "1st (6/9)" means I've cast three 1st-level spells.

Prepared casters go in the "offense" section of the profile like this. "Magic missile (3)" means I prepared three magic missiles and have cast all of them. Generally, I try to post in Discussion each morning when my wizard prepares spells.


NG Male Human (Taldan) Oracle 7 | Speed 20 ft. | AC 17, T 13, FF 14 | hp 65/65 | Fort +7, Ref +7, Will +7 | Init +3 | Percep +6 | CMD 18 | Spells per day used: lvl1 0/7 lvl2 0/7 lvl3 0/5 Channels per day used: 0/6 | Conditions: none

Ok. I'll think of something like that.

As for my actions, unless Tiber knows Celestial, he won't know what I said or what I did. I put my actions in the spoilers but in character, would Tiber know what happened?


CN Female Human Wizard 2 | Speed 30 ft. | AC 12, T 12, FF 10 | hp 14/15 | Fort +2, Ref +2, Will +4 | Init +6 | Percep +3 | CMD 11 | Dazing touch 7/7 | Conditions: none

Should we standardize the way different languages are shown?

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Thalasou Eidelhan wrote:
As for my actions, unless Tiber knows Celestial, he won't know what I said or what I did. I put my actions in the spoilers but in character, would Tiber know what happened?

Not without help, but any ally who speaks Celestial or makes a DC 15 Spellcraft check (rolled last in spoiler) could tell him.

Lady Delena wrote:
Should we standardize the way different languages are shown?

That'd be nice, though I don't have any ideas on this one. Suggestions?

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Please double check your tag lines. A quick glance shows:

  • Ayalina - hp
  • Delena - hp, mage armor
  • Thalasou - spells

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    Remember: bless and inspire courage don't stack.


    N Male Human Beastmorph Alchemist 1 | AC 15, T 11, FF 14 | hp 13/13 | Fort +4, Ref +3, Will +1 | Init +1 | Percep +10 | CMD 14 | Extracts 2/2 | Conditions: none

    Ok Pavo, damage dealing is up to you! Tiber will just fill the role of angry drunk from now on XD


    NG Male Human (Taldan) Oracle 7 | Speed 20 ft. | AC 17, T 13, FF 14 | hp 65/65 | Fort +7, Ref +7, Will +7 | Init +3 | Percep +6 | CMD 18 | Spells per day used: lvl1 0/7 lvl2 0/7 lvl3 0/5 Channels per day used: 0/6 | Conditions: none

    I don't mind standardizing for non-common languages but I'm not clear on how to get the other fonts in here.


    CG Male Human Oracle 1 | Speed 25 ft | AC 16 | HP 18/18 | F +5, Ref +4, Will +5 | Per +5 | Focus 1/2 | Hero 0/3 | Spells 1: 1/2 | Conditions: minor curse (trickster)
    GM Granta wrote:
    Remember: bless and inspire courage don't stack.

    Bless is morale, IC is competence. Only the bonus to save vs. fear is morale.

    ...unless we're talking about fear save as I haven't made it to gameplay yet.

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    Pavo the Bard wrote:
    Bless is morale, IC is competence. Only the bonus to save vs. fear is morale.

    Ugh, my reading comprehension really sucks of late. And something must've been wrong with my brain yesterday, because I also made a bunch of beginner mistakes last night in a boardgame I've played a hundred times.


    NG Male Human (Taldan) Oracle 7 | Speed 20 ft. | AC 17, T 13, FF 14 | hp 65/65 | Fort +7, Ref +7, Will +7 | Init +3 | Percep +6 | CMD 18 | Spells per day used: lvl1 0/7 lvl2 0/7 lvl3 0/5 Channels per day used: 0/6 | Conditions: none

    Down to 15% health! Just checking, but did you account for the 5 foot step that I took? I was hoping to get out of melee range of that thing. Of course, if it has reach then I'm still too close.


    CG Male Human Oracle 1 | Speed 25 ft | AC 16 | HP 18/18 | F +5, Ref +4, Will +5 | Per +5 | Focus 1/2 | Hero 0/3 | Spells 1: 1/2 | Conditions: minor curse (trickster)

    It has reach. Hit Pavo when he was trying to skirt the far side of the hall.

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    Thalasou Eidelhan wrote:
    Of course, if it has reach then I'm still too close.

    They have reach, the Knowledge rolls identified that, and they have attacked at reach already :-P


    NG Male Human (Taldan) Oracle 7 | Speed 20 ft. | AC 17, T 13, FF 14 | hp 65/65 | Fort +7, Ref +7, Will +7 | Init +3 | Percep +6 | CMD 18 | Spells per day used: lvl1 0/7 lvl2 0/7 lvl3 0/5 Channels per day used: 0/6 | Conditions: none

    Yes. Should have noticed that. But it wouldn't have changed anything in character. I just wouldn't have asked a silly question here. :-)


    NG Male Human (Taldan) Oracle 7 | Speed 20 ft. | AC 17, T 13, FF 14 | hp 65/65 | Fort +7, Ref +7, Will +7 | Init +3 | Percep +6 | CMD 18 | Spells per day used: lvl1 0/7 lvl2 0/7 lvl3 0/5 Channels per day used: 0/6 | Conditions: none

    Would you like me to add "channels per day used" to my stat line? I'd probably do "channels used: (x/y)" to be a little shorter.

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