GM Granta's War for the Crown

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I most likely won't post again until Thursday. We had some plumbing problems with our apartment again, are not sleeping at home, and I did not feel like lugging my laptop around.

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Remember, taking 20 takes 20 times as long as a normal check. Taking 20 on a whole room will take a long time.


CG Male Human Bard 2 | Speed 30 ft. | AC 15, T 12, FF 13 | hp 17/17 | Fort +2, Ref +5, Will +2 (+4 vs. bard, sonic, language) | Init +2 | Percep +4 | CMD 15 | Performance 12/12 | Conditions: none

Does that piece of glass fit the coin-sized notch near the bathroom?


Female NG Human Bard 2 | HP: 15/15 | AC: 16 (12 Tch, 14 Fl) | CMB: +1, CMD: 13 | F: +0, R: +4, W: +3 | Init: +1 | Perc: +4, SM: +5 | Speed 30ft | Bardic Performance: 8/11 | Spells: 1st 4/4 | Active conditions: None.

That's a good point. It's a new day, so those with spellcraft can give the spoon and wand another go. :) Additionally, did we ever actually check to see if there was something in the scroll case we found in the bathroom railing? I checked through the last couple of pages really quickly, so I might've missed it. I'll give it another look just in case. @_@

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@Pavo: It doesn't.

@Ayalina: You didn't.


CG Male Human Ranger 2 | AC 18, T 12, FF 16 | hp 25/25 | Fort +5, Ref +4, Will +1 | Init +1 | Percep +6 | CMD 17 | Spells & Abilities 0/0 | Conditions: none

Not super sure what to do... Tiber can't do anything with magic stuff, so searching seems to be the next best thing. For what, idk. But we slept in the other room, we searched the crap out of the bottom right room, so maybe we missed something in the bar and/or the big bedroom?

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Let's give Pavo another day, since I've been so inconsistent lately; and let's aim for a return to full regularity and consistency by Monday.

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The wand of create food and water generates enough for 15 people, but it goes bad in 24 hours. Right now, you would be wasting 2/3 of it, but later in the adventure you might have horses or purify food and water.

The catch is that the sustaining spoon feeds just four people. Since the starvation and thirst rules only discuss complete lack of sustenance, I'll post rules for partial lack in the recruitment thread. That way, the party can decide how it wants to handle things, but one way or another, there is a downside.


CG Male Human Ranger 2 | AC 18, T 12, FF 16 | hp 25/25 | Fort +5, Ref +4, Will +1 | Init +1 | Percep +6 | CMD 17 | Spells & Abilities 0/0 | Conditions: none

Knowing it feeds 15 people, can we assume that Thasalou only used it once? Sounds pretty handy for later on!

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Tiber Graccus wrote:
Knowing it feeds 15 people, can we assume that Thasalou only used it once? Sounds pretty handy for later on!

I'm okay retconning entirely.


NG Male Human (Taldan) Oracle 2 | Speed 30 ft. | AC 16, T 12, FF 14 | hp 17/20 | Fort +3, Ref +2, Will +3 | Init +2 | Percep +2 | CMD 13 | Spells per day used: lvl1 2/5 Channels per day: 3/3 | Conditions: none

The docs here say that one instance of the spell is good for 3 people (or one horse) per level.

https://aonprd.com/SpellDisplay.aspx?ItemName=Create%20Food%20and%20Water

I think I see where I got confused. It is a 3rd level spell and that requires a CL of at least 5. Is that where you get "food for 15 people"?

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Thalasou Eidelhan wrote:
I think I see where I got confused. It is a 3rd level spell and that requires a CL of at least 5. Is that where you get "food for 15 people"?

Correct.

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My home internet went down today, and I won't be able to get the replacement part for a week. I should be able to run the computer off my phone, but if for some reason that doesn't work, we'll be on hold for a week :-(


CG Male Human Ranger 2 | AC 18, T 12, FF 16 | hp 25/25 | Fort +5, Ref +4, Will +1 | Init +1 | Percep +6 | CMD 17 | Spells & Abilities 0/0 | Conditions: none

That sucks! Sorry GM, hopefully it works out!

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It seems to be working well enough for Paizo, but loading the map takes forever.


Female NG Human Bard 2 | HP: 15/15 | AC: 16 (12 Tch, 14 Fl) | CMB: +1, CMD: 13 | F: +0, R: +4, W: +3 | Init: +1 | Perc: +4, SM: +5 | Speed 30ft | Bardic Performance: 8/11 | Spells: 1st 4/4 | Active conditions: None.

Posting from my phone, lots of things going on today. @_@ Forgot about prestidigitation! I had to go back and re-read it. I always thought it meant to flavor as in flavor text or flavoring for pretties, lmao. I feel so silly!

Nice one, Pavo. :)


CN Female Human Wizard 2 | Speed 30 ft. | AC 12 (temp: 16), T 12, FF 10 (temp:14) | hp 14/15 | Fort +2, Ref +2, Will +4 | Init +6 | Percep +3 | CMD 11 | Dazing touch 7/7 | Conditions: none

I do agree that Disriana can't speak to Delena.

However, the other way around is generally been an open question. It kind of has ranks in linguistics, through my ranks. Also, it has intelligence of 6, and is a magical beast, and those know one language, at least according to some places of the rules. I have always assumed familiars can understand due to linguistics and intelligence.

For example here is some discussion.

I am not trying to change the ruling here, just telling why I thought I could speak to it. It was not because of laziness or trying to get more power out of the familiar. I have thought about it quite a bit.

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Unless I explicitly say a ruling is final--which would generally occur after a heated disagreement, I am always open to a rules debate.

Magical beasts do not automatically know a language.

I agree that Disriana "kind of has ranks in linguistics". The wording for that familiar ability is different from in Linguistics or other references to assigning ranks. And I hadn't thought to check your profile for that, so making a second ruling.


CG Male Human Bard 2 | Speed 30 ft. | AC 15, T 12, FF 13 | hp 17/17 | Fort +2, Ref +5, Will +2 (+4 vs. bard, sonic, language) | Init +2 | Percep +4 | CMD 15 | Performance 12/12 | Conditions: none

Problem with that new ruling: if the familiar can only learn 'the same language' then the familiar can never understand the master's languages known at creation and virtue of high intelligence.

The Mwangi wizard with a monkey familiar never understands when his master speaks Polyglot...

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Pavo the Bard wrote:
Problem with that new ruling: if the familiar can only learn 'the same language' then the familiar can never understand the master's languages known at creation and virtue of high intelligence.

Their ability to get the rank is dependent on the master getting it. Disriana is not going off on her own to independently study every skill that Delena puts a rank in. She is magically learning what Delena learns.

Remember, familiars are a class feature, not a character.


CN Female Human Wizard 2 | Speed 30 ft. | AC 12 (temp: 16), T 12, FF 10 (temp:14) | hp 14/15 | Fort +2, Ref +2, Will +4 | Init +6 | Percep +3 | CMD 11 | Dazing touch 7/7 | Conditions: none
Cut paste from linked rule wrote:
Magical beasts are similar to animals but can have Intelligence scores higher than 2 (in which case the magical beast knows at least one language, but can't necessarily speak).

Familiars have intelligence of 6 or even higher, so I read this as it would know a language.

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Where is that quote from? I saw it in the post, but not in the PRD.

Edit: D'oh! That's what I get for just reading the bullet points. Disriana understands one language of your choice, taken from your starting languages.


CG Male Human Ranger 2 | AC 18, T 12, FF 16 | hp 25/25 | Fort +5, Ref +4, Will +1 | Init +1 | Percep +6 | CMD 17 | Spells & Abilities 0/0 | Conditions: none

Well damn y'all. Shadows across the wall? We'd have to test this, but does it look like we are on the other side? I'll have to think on this one...

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Tiber Graccus wrote:
We'd have to test this, but does it look like we are on the other side?

The image looks right side out, so probably not.


NG Male Human (Taldan) Oracle 2 | Speed 30 ft. | AC 16, T 12, FF 14 | hp 17/20 | Fort +3, Ref +2, Will +3 | Init +2 | Percep +2 | CMD 13 | Spells per day used: lvl1 2/5 Channels per day: 3/3 | Conditions: none

Tiber, that's exactly what I was thinking too. But I guess not...


CN Female Human Wizard 2 | Speed 30 ft. | AC 12 (temp: 16), T 12, FF 10 (temp:14) | hp 14/15 | Fort +2, Ref +2, Will +4 | Init +6 | Percep +3 | CMD 11 | Dazing touch 7/7 | Conditions: none

As a native Taldan, it would be most natural for Delena's familiar to attune to her mother's tongue Taldane.

So Disriana understands common.


CG Male Human Bard 2 | Speed 30 ft. | AC 15, T 12, FF 13 | hp 17/17 | Fort +2, Ref +5, Will +2 (+4 vs. bard, sonic, language) | Init +2 | Percep +4 | CMD 15 | Performance 12/12 | Conditions: none

I've been sitting on this feeling for a while, and there's not really a point of doing that...

First and importantly, I do not blame Granta or any if you. It's not even the medium that's at fault. I blame the author and editors.

But, I'm not having fun spending over a month trying to escape a four room pit stop. I have functionally been spinning my character's wheels since July 14th. I used to wake up eager to see what the next post was. Now, given the current encounter, I generally triage this to my last effort in the day since I figure I'll just be posting another filler post for the sake of posting.

Just letting you know how I feel.

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Pavo the Bard wrote:

I've been sitting on this feeling for a while, and there's not really a point of doing that...

First and importantly, I do not blame Granta or any if you. It's not even the medium that's at fault. I blame the author and editors.

But, I'm not having fun spending over a month trying to escape a four room pit stop. I have functionally been spinning my character's wheels since July 14th. I used to wake up eager to see what the next post was. Now, given the current encounter, I generally triage this to my last effort in the day since I figure I'll just be posting another filler post for the sake of posting.

Just letting you know how I feel.

FWIW, you aren't the only one. I also really dislike this portion of the AP. I've done a few small things to try and speed up the puzzle, but only one seems to have worked.

You are at the end though. Once you figure out how to work the crystal ball, you'll be back to adventuring in a couple days.

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Exactly which lights are going to be on and off?


CG Male Human Bard 2 | Speed 30 ft. | AC 15, T 12, FF 13 | hp 17/17 | Fort +2, Ref +5, Will +2 (+4 vs. bard, sonic, language) | Init +2 | Percep +4 | CMD 15 | Performance 12/12 | Conditions: none

My intent was to turn off the lights in the storage room.


NG Male Human (Taldan) Oracle 2 | Speed 30 ft. | AC 16, T 12, FF 14 | hp 17/20 | Fort +3, Ref +2, Will +3 | Init +2 | Percep +2 | CMD 13 | Spells per day used: lvl1 2/5 Channels per day: 3/3 | Conditions: none

I feel like I've been missing something this whole time. I keep going back to re-read some of the postings but still nothing jumps out at me.

It probably doesn't help that I'm spending 70-80 hours per week at work right now and that will probably continue for the next 2-4 weeks...

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Thalasou Eidelhan wrote:
I feel like I've been missing something this whole time. I keep going back to re-read some of the postings but still nothing jumps out at me.

Probably not. There isn't much there. IMO, this situation/puzzle makes little sense at any level: GM knowledge, player knowledge, in game reality.

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@Delena: Please list all of Disriana's languages. She also gets your languages from skill ranks.


NG Male Human (Taldan) Oracle 2 | Speed 30 ft. | AC 16, T 12, FF 14 | hp 17/20 | Fort +3, Ref +2, Will +3 | Init +2 | Percep +2 | CMD 13 | Spells per day used: lvl1 2/5 Channels per day: 3/3 | Conditions: none

I'm going to try to keep up but I've been working 70-80 hours per week at work for the past 4 weeks and I don't see any end in site. On top of that, I've got a bad cold now.

Please have patience if I am slow in posting.

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Thalasou Eidelhan wrote:

I'm going to try to keep up but I've been working 70-80 hours per week at work for the past 4 weeks and I don't see any end in site. On top of that, I've got a bad cold now.

Please have patience if I am slow in posting.

No worries. Just don't try to steal my crown. I am the king of real life interferring with gaming.


CN Female Human Wizard 2 | Speed 30 ft. | AC 12 (temp: 16), T 12, FF 10 (temp:14) | hp 14/15 | Fort +2, Ref +2, Will +4 | Init +6 | Percep +3 | CMD 11 | Dazing touch 7/7 | Conditions: none

I see your 'too much work' and raise with two children, one with cold, and spouse on a business trip in Africa.

Luckily, only two weeks, one remaining.

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Lady Delena wrote:

I see your 'too much work' and raise with two children, one with cold, and spouse on a business trip in Africa.

Luckily, only two weeks, one remaining.

The week after my brother's wife accepted a job that would move them to a different state, she was also awarded a fellowship in yet another state. So for their first year in a new place, he is alone with their kids (1 & 4) half of every week.


CG Male Human Ranger 2 | AC 18, T 12, FF 16 | hp 25/25 | Fort +5, Ref +4, Will +1 | Init +1 | Percep +6 | CMD 17 | Spells & Abilities 0/0 | Conditions: none

Well I had to walk to school uphill every day in a blizzard. Both ways! ;)


CG Male Human Bard 2 | Speed 30 ft. | AC 15, T 12, FF 13 | hp 17/17 | Fort +2, Ref +5, Will +2 (+4 vs. bard, sonic, language) | Init +2 | Percep +4 | CMD 15 | Performance 12/12 | Conditions: none

Did the symbol on the shield match any of the people/images on the paintings in the bar?

Otherwise, I think I'm done.

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Pavo the Bard wrote:
Did the symbol on the shield match any of the people/images on the paintings in the bar?

It did not.

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How many votes for just skipping this part?


CG Male Human Bard 2 | Speed 30 ft. | AC 15, T 12, FF 13 | hp 17/17 | Fort +2, Ref +5, Will +2 (+4 vs. bard, sonic, language) | Init +2 | Percep +4 | CMD 15 | Performance 12/12 | Conditions: none

One here. The author is just too clever for me.


CG Male Human Ranger 2 | AC 18, T 12, FF 16 | hp 25/25 | Fort +5, Ref +4, Will +1 | Init +1 | Percep +6 | CMD 17 | Spells & Abilities 0/0 | Conditions: none

One here too. To be clear, by no means do I think anyone has been doing a poor job, player or GM, but this puzzle is intense and we've been at it for a while. I'd love to know the solution though.

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One more vote, and I'll go ahead and skip to the end of the puzzle.


Female NG Human Bard 2 | HP: 15/15 | AC: 16 (12 Tch, 14 Fl) | CMB: +1, CMD: 13 | F: +0, R: +4, W: +3 | Init: +1 | Perc: +4, SM: +5 | Speed 30ft | Bardic Performance: 8/11 | Spells: 1st 4/4 | Active conditions: None.

I'll go ahead and put my vote in there, too. I dearly want to know the solution, but I think this may take too long to actually do in this format. ;;


NG Male Human (Taldan) Oracle 2 | Speed 30 ft. | AC 16, T 12, FF 14 | hp 17/20 | Fort +3, Ref +2, Will +3 | Init +2 | Percep +2 | CMD 13 | Spells per day used: lvl1 2/5 Channels per day: 3/3 | Conditions: none

I guess you already got enough votes but maybe you can answer this one question first. Do we have all of the info and we're just not putting the pieces together or are we missing some crucial info?


CN Female Human Wizard 2 | Speed 30 ft. | AC 12 (temp: 16), T 12, FF 10 (temp:14) | hp 14/15 | Fort +2, Ref +2, Will +4 | Init +6 | Percep +3 | CMD 11 | Dazing touch 7/7 | Conditions: none

This seems to be a bit hard to execute in play-by-post. In table game, I would go through a dozen ideas in a few minutes, here it takes a day.

I will go by the majority's decision. I don't oppose skipping, but I can try to wrangle out more ideas if that is preferred.

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You have all of the info and were inches from the answer, then made a wrong turn and ran full speed away from it. When Tiber touched the shield, something happened in the crystal ball, but Ayalina wasn't there to see. It had reset by the time she returned.


Female NG Human Bard 2 | HP: 15/15 | AC: 16 (12 Tch, 14 Fl) | CMB: +1, CMD: 13 | F: +0, R: +4, W: +3 | Init: +1 | Perc: +4, SM: +5 | Speed 30ft | Bardic Performance: 8/11 | Spells: 1st 4/4 | Active conditions: None.

My soul, it weeps. xD;


CG Male Human Ranger 2 | AC 18, T 12, FF 16 | hp 25/25 | Fort +5, Ref +4, Will +1 | Init +1 | Percep +6 | CMD 17 | Spells & Abilities 0/0 | Conditions: none

Looooooool ok. We gave it a good go! Thanks for sharing it with us!

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