Mithralline has a very good point. If you want to go the touch spell route, long arm is on the Wis/Sorc spell list, and can be cast on others to give them reach as well. That's another good possibility.
It would be great if long arm could be cast on others but it can't. That's what makes enlarge person so good, imo.
Also, enlarge person doesn't grant +1 attk as the +2 str is canceled by the -1 for being bigger. But the damage bonus is +1.5 for Mithralline (+1 half the time and +2 the other half, depending on whether her str mod were odd or even before hand and assuming she's attacking with a two-handed weapon). In addition, the increased damage die of the weapon is worth another 1-3.5 points of damage. I'd say it's pretty dang potent for a level 1 buff.
I probably shouldn't have mentioned the touch spells part - I'm definitely not up for doing touch spells, I'd just never thought about doing touch spells with enlarge before. Casual thought - no way I want to be a melee range caster. :D
To Sam's point - the reach, AoO, and the increased damage die are where I think Enlarge is great. But that's why I'm asking if you'd use it Mith, I don't want to force a character concept on you.
Oh, also, once my familiar happens after we rest (figment), my init will be +9, so I should be able to get it on to you in first round most times.
Unless Mith and Laurel veto enlarge, I'm going with Enlarge Person and Magic Weapon.
Like I said, Mith would love to be bigger.
Her player still thinks it's a frustrating spell with as many drawbacks as benefits (I'd forgotten that it doesn't even give the +1 to attack rolls), but maybe you make a good point about that being what allows it to be a first-level spell.
Another ability I haven't had a reason to use yet is Heaven's Leap - I can move you around some if the large size becomes a problem.
Turn you big and then teleport you into the combat - AoO for the win.
Just looked at your weapons...
Trident 1d8+3 (7.5 avg) => 2d6+4 (11 avg)
Hooked Lance 1d8+4 10' (8.5 avg)=> 2d6+5 (12 avg) 15'
-1 AC and +3.5 DMG - it's like an AC version of power attack, but much more efficient.
You may want to consider Combat Reflexes with a 15' reach :D
I'll take enlarge person just to see that.
Wow, just saw Escape Route on your sheet - too bad it doesn't say "within your reach." :D
I've played a Carrion Crown game where we had a party member with Heaven's Leap. After experiencing it, I've decided it's one of the best abilities in the entire game. Absolutely amazing ability for supporting melee characters.
I'll actually be wanting you to teleport me away from combat. Mithralline's shtick is charging, so if you can pull me out so I can charge back in, that'll be helpful.
I'm planning on grabbing Dodge and Mobility so I can move around a little more safely as well.
Great job with these psychopomps, GM. They're really coming alive for me (pun kind of intended).
Oh, I love the double charge idea!
The psychopomps are indeed awesome! Loving them, especially Umble's speech patterns.
Yes to the psychopomps! I will never think of them any other way now, no matter the campaign. :D
Okay, rules question for the ones with vastly more rules knowledge than I.
When I gained my level, I took sorcerer and I can fully appreciate that I won’t recharge my spells, familiar, etc until I rest.
What about cantrips? As a spontaneous caster you don’t pick them, you can’t “run out” of them, you don’t recharge them when you rest, and I can’t find anything to indicate which way it plays. I can understand that those who need to memorize them would need to rest, but being a spontaneous caster you don’t pick them, they’re just there.
When a sorcerer manifests their powers for the first time as a child, does it only happen when they’re asleep. Or does it happen when they’re awake and have been trying to manifest the powers?
To me, the wake up going, “hey look at that, I had a dream I could cast ‘light’ and I can do it for real now!” Is less dramatically interesting storywise than the person undergoing a moment of crisis, or they’re wishing really hard for something and it happens, or any number of other story situations that I’ve actually read or seen in movies. Feeling the power well within you while awake and then going, “well, now I need to sleep so I can manifest any actual magic.” Seems very unsatisfying storywise.,
Whereas, the power wells within you and your hands start to glow with light (aka light spell) seems “right.”
Certainly the game doesn’t follow narrative appropriateness, but it certainly is a way to look at things in the absence of any rules :D
Not that it matters much one way or the other, either way works just as well for me, I’m not pushing to have them work that way, it’s truly a situation I’ve never seen before and I’m curious.
Either way, I doubt an acid splash will change the course of an entire campaign in the brief time between when I “get” the spells and when I can rest and “get” the spells.
Hey guys -
This next week and a half is going to be VERY busy for me. My boss just accepted another job and so I'm going to have to start acting for him during the transition while I prepare to apply for that job. In addition, I am starting preparations for my annual bocce tournament that I host next Saturday which takes ALL of my time (I literally take the whole week off to prepare).
I hoping as we move through the end of the summer things will get a little more consistent for me. I've had a rough summer, I apologize for the slower response and I appreciate all of your patience!
Interesting question, Rose! I don't think the rules address when someone gains spells upon level up but I could be wrong! I think spontaneously gaining them in the middle of the day is feasible for spontaneous casters and certainly fun.
Shadowlord: Hope that goes well! Sounds like epic Bocce! Have fun. I'm ok with being patient. This game is a lot of fun and I'm buckled up long term.
Hey guys -
This next week and a half is going to be VERY busy for me. My boss just accepted another job and so I'm going to have to start acting for him during the transition while I prepare to apply for that job. In addition, I am starting preparations for my annual bocce tournament that I host next Saturday which takes ALL of my time (I literally take the whole week off to prepare).
I hoping as we move through the end of the summer things will get a little more consistent for me. I've had a rough summer, I apologize for the slower response and I appreciate all of your patience!
Good luck with all of that! I hope everything goes well. Summer is always a time for vacations and other interruptions. We've stuck with you so far, I don't see us going anywhere.
I think Sam's right. The rules don't really address that. I'd say it's up to the GM.
"I remember Mr. Walnuts!"
I laughed out loud at work and my office mate looked at me strange - still giggling.
Ooh, this is going to be a good scene.
GM, are you going to be running the NPCs from our backgrounds? I am fine either way, but I didn't want to make a wrong assumption before writing.
I'm going with running their reactions up until I tell them the bad news.
Yes, the past couple of bits have been excellent roleplaying opportunities.
Yeah the interactions have been great!
Same question about how you want to run interactions, GM. I'll just post up until meeting up with my parents for now.
Laurel - Yep. It's as Rose stated. My intention was to allow you to do the introduction and get things started. I intend to run the NPC from that point forward.
RE: Gaining spells on level up - I am fine with everyone gaining access to their new abilities and spells immediately. What I don't like is refilling already spent abilities/spells that were used that day until a full nights rest.
Thank you for the clarification! That's a very nice policy!
From the game thread: 11 healing would put me back to full. Thanks.
Also, I'll be AFK until Saturday night.
Hi guys! I'm finished with my tournament and ramping back up on my games.
Your posts here are awesome and they deserve more attention than a quick skim, so I'll try to get them later tonight when I can spend more time on them.
I hope the bocce tournament went well!
It did, thank you. We raised $1300 for charity and I came in third place!
Clearly I didn't get to this last night, I'm still trying to get situated back into my routine. I will definitely get to it today!
I am going to give Aralah a chance to come in before continuing my scene.
I will be traveling for a baby shower this weekend. I'll have my phone, but may have difficulty posting. Please bot me if needed.
Fyi, I'm at a research conference this week so I'll probably be posting more slowly. I hope to keep up the pace but I can't promise that.
Rose and Sarela don't forget to update yourselves to Lvl2 since it looks like your quick reference info is still Lvl1
Good catch. Updated.
Actually, all of Sarela's numbers were up to date - I just forgot to update my level.
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If the GM ever gives us an item that gives us all permanent guidance, I don't know what we're going to do with half of our action economy :P
We're going to get more spells per day and higher spell levels! XP
I'm flying to London Sunday and Monday - I'll be on different hours while I'm there and on maybe once a day for a week.
Sorry about the silence - I've been doing some work on my house and thought I'd have more time to post last week.
No worries, we all have busy moments!
So we are in a pretty tough spot. I don't know how much Hp this thing has left but once Mith goes down there isn't much else we can do unless we can get Laurel off the ground since his weapon is the only one that does full damage on this thing or I get lucky with a Crit or something.
Sam is out of channels, but I believe has CLW left? The best move might be to CLW Sarela since she has (I believe) 2 CLW left. Aralah has one more CLW as well. Maybe if Mith can draw it away so people can be healed and stand up?
I didn't think we'd rested for 8 hours, therefore I have not had time to re-up my spells, so I have no CLW left. That's also why I hadn't dropped Fortune hexes on Mithralline, Aralah, and Laurel to give you a better chance to hit.
I should still have a minute and a half left on my shield spell, which gives me AC 16, but it looks like he rolled well enough to get me regardless.
Honestly, our best bet might be having Rose attack with her longsword, seeing as its a slashing weapon and won't be subject to DR.
You guys can totally take Laurel's weapon off his body if you need it.
And yeah I didn't expect this guy to be such a monster.
Yeah, dicebot is killing us here. Obviously I need to increase my variety of weapons, but the truth is that wouldn't really matter the way I'm rolling.
I'm not out of channels quite yet but indeed it's a little bit of a problem. Maybe Sam should start touching him with CLWs...
I think Rose may still be away, she posted something on the 1st about being out of pocket.
I'm back from my vacation - I'll catch up on the main thread now.
Figured I would post this here since it may be a more lengthy discussion, to avoid cluttering up Gameplay. I don't have a teamwork feat listed, so I don't think we ever officially decided. Without going back and looking I think we had left it that most of us were going to take one feat while a couple others were talking about taking a different one.
From what I can see, several of us wanted Lookout, and several wanted Ferocious Loyalty. I think -- since IIRC the GM indicated he was amenable -- we should each take whichever of those we wanted. Let's finalize it so we know for the rest of the game. :)
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I'm fine with whatever approach you want to take, but I'd like to finalize it right now before we continue.
If at least one other person (Laurel? Aralah?) takes Ferocious Loyalty, I'll take it too. Otherwise, we'll go with Lookout.
Sam takes lookout.