I believe that the general rule is that for crafting taking 10 is permissible in this universe but taking 20 is not. It always carries some risk of failure.
That's actually not too different from what Kayin is going for, though he's more going for combat support than skill monkey. It'll take time to come fully online, but he'll eventually be built to set targets up--via combat maneuvers--to be weakened, locked down, and more easily killed by the big hitters. Throw in Martial Flexibility for when he needs to fill in for (or add to) some fighting prowess.
Spells are going to be a bit of grab-bag of whatever's useful, though I'll trying to avoid stuff that has a save to weaken/negate the effect. Though some spells will be chosen because they suit Kayin's particular backstory, even if they're not necessarily the best choice.
I feel like that's more going to be a good compliment of eachother than any kind of unwelcome overlap; Maria is keyed for the typical rogue stuff and identifying monsters and the like, where Kayin seems to be capable of some very interesting things in combat. Both together, we should be able to really throw the monsters we face off balance, hopefully. Plus, it helps if one of us gets unlucky with an alchemy check xD.
As far as spells, pretty much the same, though Maria will be spitting tanglefoot bags for a while, probably. Still, self-buffing and buffing allies is usually superior to debuffing, at least most of the time. Unfortunately it'll be a good while before I can cast spells on other people, but when I do, I get to cast "self" spells on other people, which will be very powerful in some cases, because they can be some of the best spells in the game.
Its certainly an interesting party setup we have!
I believe that the general rule is that for crafting taking 10 is permissible in this universe but taking 20 is not. It always carries some risk of failure.
Wouldn't that apply to just the making though, not actually identifying something (made) with the skill (I didn't try this with the vial of perfume because it didn't occur me)?
I mean, Valjoen has the final ruling, as always--and let's hope he drops in soon for some results and rulings--which is why I spoilered it just in case. I suppose, however, that if the identification attempt were treated along the lines of using a Knowledge skill, that would explain not being able to take 20 (in which case, note should definitely be made in the Skills section of the campaign wiki for future reference).
I feel like that's more going to be a good compliment of eachother than any kind of unwelcome overlap; Maria is keyed for the typical rogue stuff and identifying monsters and the like, where Kayin seems to be capable of some very interesting things in combat. Both together, we should be able to really throw the monsters we face off balance, hopefully. Plus, it helps if one of us gets unlucky with an alchemy check xD.
If you're going to collect ranks in Knowledge skills, have you considered the Kirin Style feat set? Identify a critter with a Knowledge check, get assorted bonuses against it.
And I certainly hope Kayin works out as I'd like. The emphasis on combat maneuvers is certainly going to be different from straight up racking targets for as much damage as possible.
The only problem I'm going have with Kayin's build is that there are a good few feats (okay, a lot more than a few :D) that'll be incredibly useful, but nowhere near the feat slots to take them. Unless I give over being an oracle and go pure fighter, but I'm already playing a melee character of that sort in the original Bright Tower campaign, and really wanted to dip into something different for the Last Haven game. Honestly, just about every life essence I get in this game is going straight to a feat; Ysildaë will understand the reference when I say I'm going to be the Niyut of this campaign around life essences :D.
I can only say what he has said in the past that taking 20 presumes that there is at least 1 fail state and you achieve it. So taking 20 isn't good for any task where failure would be a bottleneck. Knowledge rolls, crafting, ect.
I think taking 20 is only good for searching things and if you have a special ability that lets you do it for stuff.
I feel like that's more going to be a good compliment of eachother than any kind of unwelcome overlap; Maria is keyed for the typical rogue stuff and identifying monsters and the like, where Kayin seems to be capable of some very interesting things in combat. Both together, we should be able to really throw the monsters we face off balance, hopefully. Plus, it helps if one of us gets unlucky with an alchemy check xD.
If you're going to collect ranks in Knowledge skills, have you considered the Kirin Style feat set? Identify a critter with a Knowledge check, get assorted bonuses against it.
And I certainly hope Kayin works out as I'd like. The emphasis on combat maneuvers is certainly going to be different from straight up racking targets for as much damage as possible.
The only problem I'm going have with Kayin's build is that there are a good few feats (okay, a lot more than a few :D) that'll be incredibly useful, but nowhere near the feat slots to take them. Unless I give over being an oracle and go pure fighter, but I'm already playing a melee character of that sort in the original Bright Tower campaign, and really wanted to dip into something different for the Last Haven game. Honestly, just about every life essence I get in this game is going straight to a feat; Ysildaë will understand the reference when I say I'm going to be the Niyut of this campaign around life essences :D.
Everyone wants life essences, they are just the best. I too am going to use mine for feats. :-)
I feel like that's what all of us will be using it for. Especially if I wanna grab the Kirin Style feats (damn, that looks REALLY good, and as written it looks like it interacts with crits, but could be wrong on that). There's also an enchantment I'll be looking for that idk how to make; if I use it, I'll be able to spend a single inspiration to add 2d6 and later 2d8 to a damage roll, while adding 1d6/1d8 to the attack roll itself. So many things to do!
Some argue that stat boosts are the optimal choice and they might be correct. But, feats!
Do you think we will game more when everyone is quarantined at home? :-p
Who knows, but I certainly wouldn't be upset if the sputtering along of the last few months became a proper stream of posts once more. I'm very much missing the steady campaign progress.
Hey, stuffs been crazy the past few days. With the extended spring break, I'll probably be posting as much as I can. Excited to see where this is going! And to build new dynamics with this larger party!
Oh, that wasn't about you. More about our (mostly) absent GM, whose presence is sorely missed. I mean, our being present doesn't do a whole lot without our Great and Powerful GM to move things along for us :D.
Yeah, I had hoped that with the virus this would be our collective... escape, but I figure at least one of us has a job that is more, not less, busy bc of the outbreak. Best of luck to everyone. But I second that we need some aid moving things along here :)
Fortunately, I have games on PC (including a couple of Pathfinder games, lol), so I'm not going nuts from lack of input. It's even given me a few laughs, because one of my few Steam friends is also a GM here in a campaign I'm part of. And the game I'm currently playing, Shadow of Mordor, had a few missions that featured me killing enemies that had killed him the last he played that :D.
I'm wondering if I could parley that into a campaign bonus of some sort, rofl.
Me too.
So what's everyone else doing to pass the time?
Work, video games, books, stress baking
What does baked stress even taste like ;p?
Videogames, writing, and attempting to update my resume xD
At this point? 48 peanut butter cookies. Though I haven't eaten them all myself.
Though I haven't eaten them all myself.
I sense a "yet" looming behind this sentence, much like a Cookie Monster :D.
Sorry for the silence. Work obviously became a bit more focused the last few weeks. I've been focused on moving 90% of our workforce to home, which means lots of unforeseen logistic issues to keep the bank running smoothly.
Everyone at my house is doing well. My wife, who is immune-compromised, works in healthcare treating patients recovering from surgery. So, little stressed out for her safety. I hope everyone else is doing ok.
Well, glad that you're still around and kicking.
Also, there's a coded journal with a Linguistics check (DC 18) to decipher the contents of, and you happen to have a pretty good rank in that skill (handy that).
Can you remind me where this journal came from? My notes are a mess at this point. LOL
Also, there's a coded journal with a Linguistics check (DC 18) to decipher the contents of, and you happen to have a pretty good rank in that skill (handy that).Can you remind me where this journal came from? My notes are a mess at this point. LOL
Sure, we recovered the journal in the personal chest of one of the (likely zombie'd) apprentices at the Second Scribe, in the upstairs room with the body of the tattooed dwarf.
Valjoen, regarding that cyphered journal, can anyone else read once it's been decoded? Or do they have to decode it themselves?
Have you had a chance to consider my question on elven?
Has anyone contacted our missing dwarf and told him that we're sputtering back to life over here?
How is everyone? I'm jonesing for some role-playing here.
Today in Philadelphia, it is the most glorious spring morning. All the trees on my street are putting forth new leaves and the color is almost unreal. Or it could be that after a literal month of isolation I have forgotten what the world outside my apartment looks like.
Surviving in a post-apocalyptic world would help distract me from those bright green leaves and how much I want to frolic outdoors.
I'm still lurking and waiting on more posts here, lol.
Been chewing through my Steam library a bit. Finished Shadow of Mordor (though I still have the expansions to hit) and now I'm working through Shadow of War.
Just relaxing...
So before we wandered in here, I wanted to ask about that third level, again? The one had been foretold in song and legend after we cleared the Prison?
Has anyone heard from Toraim at all? Or have we lost him?
I was just checking character sheets and realizing that you were all still second level. Yes, I forgot to post that you should advance to third level. My bad!
I got a private message from the dwarf about a month ago. He had a busy time at work coming up but said he still wants to be wanting to be part of the campaign. I will check in with him.
3rd Level
+1 Paladin Level
Monk (Scaled Fist) 1/Paladin 1/Samurai (Warrior Poet) 1
HP: +10
Bab: +1
Saves: +2 Fort, +2 Will
Feat: Knight of Piety
Skills:
+1 Acrobatics
+1 Perception
+1 Kn: Religion (Knowledge Bonus)
+1 Perform Oratory (Background)
+1 Craft Weapons (Background)
Class Abilities:
Detect Evil
Smite Evil
Is Aerryndöl still with the party?
Kayin Level 3 (Fighter 1/Oracle 2)
+1 BAB
+1 Will
+8 HP
Fencing Grace
+1 Acrobatics
+1 Bluff
+1 Perception
+1 Sense Motive
+1 Spellcraft
+1 UMD
+1 Knowledge (religion)
+1 Appraise
+1 Craft (alchemy)
Oracle Caster Level 2nd
+1 spell/day
Mystery Spell (Ill Omen)
What is the DC of the Fortitude Save versus the disease?
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Titan 3
10 hp
+1 BAB
Feat: Evolved Companion (+2 natural armor)
Bonus Teamwork Feat: Improved Spell Sharing
Class Feature: Hunter Tactics (Share teamwork feats with animal companion)
+1 Knowledge Arcana
+2 Knowledge Nature
+1 Knowledge Religion
+1 Perception
+1 Survival
+1 Craft Bows
+1 Handle Animal
+1 0th level spell known
+1 1st level spell known (hide from undead)
+1 1st level spell per day
Bjorkus 3
+2 natural armor
+1 strength and dexterity
Evasion
Mmm, yeah, the essences we'd harvested from the zombies. Three of them, none identified as yet (though odds are quite good they're necro essences).
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There was more than three. We found a couple early on and we found some more in the big battle that killed our rogue.
In this post it was mentioned we needed planes to identify the essences. What skill did we need to identify the second batch?
Edit: Nvm. You're right, it was just the three.
Our barbarian and investigator must hate leveling. :-p
Well, in fairness, the campaign had dropped to a sputtering crawl, even before the whole "stay at home" mess, so they're probably not checking in very often.
You mean people aren't compulsively checking multiple times per day? :-p
Not even going lie, lol, I was doing three checks a day when we were moving along last year. One morning, one mid-afternoon, and one late night. Nevermind the more frequent checks whenever the insomnia had a hold.
When we are more active, I was checking in every couple of hours while working. And then again maybe an hour before bed. There was a glorious point where our GM was answering messages and the discussion thread between ~10:30 and ~12:00 EST. It was amazing.
But, now he is buried in professional success which is also amazing, but doesn't directly entertain me. :-p
I am really sorry. Its finals week and I just got a new job, so I've been... dead. Apologies for that.
So changes...
HP is up to 30, bab is up by 1, disable device, craft alchemy, knowledge arcana, knowledge engineering, knowledge nature, stealth, perception, sense motive and acrobatics are up by 1.
Feat: Extra Investigator Talent
Investigator Talents:
Expanded Inspiration and Underworld Inspiration
(Free inspiration on Diplomacy, Heal, Perception, Profession, Sense Motive, Bluff, Disable Device, Disguise, Intimidate, and Sleight of Hand)
Inspiration uses up to 5
Extra +1 to disable device and perception for traps
+1 to AC and Reflex against traps
Major thing to keep in mind is I get a +1d6 to over half my skill checks for free.