Scrolls of Raise Dead and use magic device skill still work. Right? We can figure it out.
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Dro'gan is more than willing to let melee guys be melee guys too. He has plenty of ranged spells and daggers he can throw. No problems there.
I'll post in the morning as well. 2 days of in-person all day training down in Salem, which is a 3 hour round trip. Ugh.
For the record, having caught up on reading, Greenly agrees with Chana 100% that Dro'gan's plan is reprehensible and Evil and I can't imagine she'll grow to like him at all
Dro'gan doesn't care if he's liked. That's part of who he is. He's very goal oriented.
Can you be specific on your judgement? Or is it Greenly's judgement specifically? I look at my idea as nothing more than a magical version of an electronic ankle-bracelet really...in a general sense.
I was trying to prevent Mag's death and/or physical torture by putting her to work helping the town and surrounding area that she herself has preyed upon for years. Rehabilitation and recompense are normal punishments even in our society today. Technically people used to be sentenced to 'Join the Army' or go to jail. That sounds like forced rehabilitation to me too, although I'm unsure if such things till happen.
Now, I'm not claiming my idea was perfect, but it seemed the 'lesser' of evils in my distinction, and a waste of possible resources by Dro'gan's opinion. I was not expecting it to work without support from the other players, and I welcomed other ideas to make it better. Amandine has made her choice now, and I can't say I can argue with her ideas that mine are nay better.
Feel free to PM me if you would rather answer in that format.
She must live in our house, and remain locked up alone in a windowless room when we are not around or she is not under the effects of the charm spell. The type of psychological effect that would have on someone is abominable! They would begin to crave being under your mental dominion because they would inevitably associate it with freedom, with light and air. That association I imagine would come quick, and then you suggested keeping it up for two months! Mag would be your drooling sycophant and slave by the end of it.
The whole scheme to me, at best feels like an abuser grooming a victim, and at worst feels like a f&*!ing cop forcing a sex worker into either having sex with them or getting arrested. It's gross, and, as a woman, I feel it's made worse that a man (or a male character) is making the suggestion.
Olivia, yes, if y'all'll have me. Vayelan recently extended an invitation now that Chana has departed.
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I welcome you, Greenly.
Olivia will absolutely agree with you regarding this and would not tolerate it. I also think Stockholm syndrome would likely occur in such a situation.
As a person, I'm fairly withdrawn morally, and I recognize that this is an imaginary game. However even I would have to agree that it would be a demonstration of abuse.
I think this, and situations like this, will need to be handled in character. If Dro'gan does too many things that make the rest of the group think he is not a benefit to the party, then that will be a pressure he'll have to recognize.
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I don't understand why this is being rehashed. Dro'gan made his suggestion, and it was rejected. He did not press it further. He has explained his intent, and he has apologized.
Plenty of real life parallels can be drawn to any number of events that take place in the game, that does not mean it should be done. All players make exceptions all the time for in game behaviors that are questionable in the real world.
If we need to discuss subjects and or actions that players want to be out of bounds in this game, let's have that discussion, set up the boundaries, and move on.
I have played in a number of games with Dro'gan and absolutely will vouch for his good intentions. There is no reason to pillory him over and over for something he did not know would be excessive and did not intend to be excessive.
But if this is something we can't move past and it's untenable for Dro'gan to remain in the game, I will be going with him.
I understand and have no immediate objections against playing alongside them, and am not trying to rehash the subject or complicate the issue. Since I was brought in to replace Chana who left over this subject, I felt it important to state how I felt about it, and then when asked why I felt that way, I answered. I do not intend to make the player explain themselves again.
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I will say I was taken aback by the initial vehemence, but not offended in the end. Her (and Chana's) belief on Dro'gan's intentions were from her point of view and therefore valid as far as that is concerned. She has answered my question, and now I better understand her viewpoint, even if I disagree with it. Also I appreciate Greenly's honesty and that she was at least willing to answer my question.
My viewpoint was not from MINE, but my character's. Dro'gan was simply trying to find some way to help the woman by the most direct and simple means necessary, and possibly attempt to recruit her as an associate or even an 'operative' to our cause. This was also a role-playing way to see about possibly taking the 'Leadership' feat and making her a useful rogue-cohort later rather than just taking the feat and saying...'MY Cohort Appears!'
I didn't help much by questioning the point Greenly was making I guess, but again I was/am simply trying to understand: Chana suddenly left without even discussing or explaining her point of view very well, and Greenly's sudden anger was...surprising at best. I won't berate the point any further and am willing to leave the situation as it is.
Thanks everyone for their attention on this matter, but I agree it is time to drop the subject. The game is for fun, and the last thing I want to do is ruin anybody's fun here. Feel free to PM me from now on if you have a question of Dro'gan true motives at any time. I have no problem explaining them if needs be.
I'm sorry I overreacted. I misunderstood the nature of the conversation. Yes, let's move on.
Okay.
I was very worried when I saw this discussion crop up again, but I am very relieved to see that it was settled amicably.
I am glad that we can all continue to play and tell this story together.
Yeah, sorry I wasn't tryna start nothing.
Who has the Envoy Ring presently? I believe Chana took it from me after my departure, has someone else claimed it? I would like it if no one has, Greenly is well suited for it with her points in both Linguistics and Diplomacy, and she loves jewelry and treasure.
Who has the Envoy Ring presently? I believe Chana took it from me after my departure, has someone else claimed it? I would like it if no one has, Greenly is well suited for it with her points in both Linguistics and Diplomacy, and she loves jewelry and treasure.
Yes, Chana had taken possession of the ring. If you would like to reclaim it, please go ahead.
Very sorry to keep y'all waiting. I was out of town dropping the kiddo off for a couple of weeks at the grandparents. Long drive and stayed overnight. I figured I'd get a chance to do some posting during that time, but I was wrong.
Taldan customs do not require visitors to bring a gift, although it remains a popular practice, especially since different gifts carry different messages - for example, whether you're trying to flatter or subtly insult the recipient.
Also, the itinerary is traveling tomorrow afternoon, stopping for the night in Lotheedar and inquiring about a doctor, then continuing on to Moost on the following morning, and arriving in time for afternoon tea.
Hey Vayelan, are we going to the having persona rounds in the near(-ish) future? If so, would it be alright if I introduce an agent of Amandine's? If I understand what's on the Persona sheet, it looks like Amandine has 8 of them, and I'd like to sketch out who at least a few of them are.
If she doesn't have an spares at the moment, (I've identified one specifically so far) maybe she could just wait until she has more to actually utilize him?
Hey Vayelan, are we going to the having persona rounds in the near(-ish) future? If so, would it be alright if I introduce an agent of Amandine's? If I understand what's on the Persona sheet, it looks like Amandine has 8 of them, and I'd like to sketch out who at least a few of them are.
If she doesn't have an spares at the moment, (I've identified one specifically so far) maybe she could just wait until she has more to actually utilize him?
That is actually a very good idea. Arriving in Lotheedar with a bit of downtime is a good time for a persona phase. Please feel free to sketch out any of your agents if you would like.
As a reminder for everyone, during a persona phase, you can either develop one of your Persona Facets (Charm, Genius, Heroism, Sacrifice, Sagacity, or Subterfuge) which represent what you are socially known for, or you can send agents (which include admirers, people sympathetic to your cause, hirelings and staff members, or even people you have blackmailed into cooperation) on operations, such as gathering information, filtering rumors, or manufacturing items.
Looking back over the Gameplay thread, I can confirm that this is actually Persona Phase #3.
Dro'gan is successful and increases his Subterfuge rank to 1.
Olivia is successful and increases her Sacrifice rank to 2.
Greenly is successful and increases her Genius rank to 2.
Now that they have at least 2 ranks in a facet, they can send agents on Basic Operations.
Do I understand correctly that during a single phase we can choose Basic Operations or attempt to raise a Persona Rank but not both?
Do I understand correctly that during a single phase we can choose Basic Operations or attempt to raise a Persona Rank but not both?
That is correct.
Are we moving on to Moost yet?
Hey I didn't realize I didn't post this here, but my grandfather died on Tuesday so this week has been all funeral prep. Posting might be slow for a while, but I'll check in and go if I'm needed.
Hey I didn't realize I didn't post this here, but my grandfather died on Tuesday so this week has been all funeral prep. Posting might be slow for a while, but I'll check in and go if I'm needed.
I'm very sorry for your loss. You have my condolences.
Take all the time you need.
I'm so sorry. Yeah, take all the time you need.
I'm sorry for your loss Greenly. Good to have you back.
I'm almost certain I know what's up with repeating the list of paintings, but Amandine needs Olivia's 'Worldwound' insight to put it together. I don't think Olivia has told anyone else yet.
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Don't need the info immediately, but in the game evening might be better than later.
Yeah, we could use a bit of private time soon to compare notes for sure. We can't just analyze her right to her face.
This is what dinged for me when I read the skill check results. Anybody recognize this?
"Main Street, Birch Street, Higgins Drive, Cobalt Lane."
They are street names, always the same street names, said in the same order, under specific circumstances, by a particular fictional character for a specific reason.
This isn't an easy piece of trivia I'll readily admit.
Don't need the info immediately, but in the game evening might be better than later.
Yeah, we could use a bit of private time soon to compare notes for sure. We can't just analyze her right to her face.
This is what dinged for me when I read the skill check results. Anybody recognize this?
"Main Street, Birch Street, Higgins Drive, Cobalt Lane."
Ding, ding, ding! Amandine gets a prize.
That is exactly my inspiration for Sepsinia's mantra.
Woot! I just knew it must have been!
Wow do I love that show. The 2nd and 3rd seasons were weaker I'll admit, but the 1st is one of the best tv seasons I've ever watched.
It's Jessica Jones who says it in the show (not the comics) Jessica Jones.
Amandine will explain when appropriate in game.
@Olivia: No way to solve it if you haven't happened to watch exactly the right tv show. But you should watch it!
Woot! I just knew it must have been!
Wow do I love that show. The 2nd and 3rd seasons were weaker I'll admit, but the 1st is one of the best tv seasons I've ever watched.
It's Jessica Jones who says it in the show (not the comics) Jessica Jones.
Amandine will explain when appropriate in game.
@Olivia: No way to solve it if you haven't happened to watch exactly the right tv show. But you should watch it!
My wife and I love the show, too.
Of course, I still haven't watched the 2nd and 3rd seasons, since I keep procrastinating on finishing the Defenders and I insist on watching or reading things in order.
The Defenders isn't bad...just a 'one-out' sort of thing really.
Jessica Jones is one of the BEST in my opinion. Congrats to Amandine for catching that mantra, cause I didn't and I pride myself on things like that...
Luke Cage is my favorite one, personally, with Jessica Jones just behind it.