Thron's Rise of the Runelords Campaign

Game Master Thron

Sell it all! I still don't even have a breastplate or composite bow.

Level up before I forget!

HP +7

BAB +1

Ref +1

Precise Shot
Rapid Shot (Bonus)

4 skill ranks

Remind me how selling the loot works. Do we get full value or some percentage? Either way, selling sounds sensible for most.

I've updated the loot tracker with everything I know about. Did I miss (or misrepresent) anything?

If we sold everything (for full price) we'd get 13,582 GP, or 2,716.40/character.

My general preference for gear is to even it out over time between cash and items...so for example if Morythene keeps the ring, he'd also get 716 GP & 4 SP...while if Eugeni takes nothing he'll get 2716 GP & 4 SP. The exceptions are I see are when we decide something is "group gear", we should subtract that first (e.g. I suggest we buy a wand of CLW that we'll own in common and use as needed on whoever is damaged. If we do so, we'll each have 750/5=150GP less to spend, regardless of who we pick to carry it.)

What do y'all think?

EDIT: Also, Thron, what are the prospects for buying magic items in Sandpoint? If Zoli wants a +1 small scimitar, can she find someone in town to craft it for her? And didn't we find a smith who was willing to make Mwk weapons/armor for the heroes of Sandpoint at cost?

Normally you get half the retail value of whatever you're selling.

I get some % discount at the smith. Usually loot sells for half the purchase price. I intend on writing a shortish vignette about bonding with Nightwind as an animal companion, just been very busy at work.

In that case, I think it might make sense to only charge folks for 1/2 the value of what they keep (since that's what we'd get if they didn't keep it).

EDIT: and yeah, busy time for me as well so no worries about limited posting while on vacation. Enjoy your time away!

When someone who knows maths can tell me how much I've got to play with I'll drop a gameplay post about Morythine looking around Sandpoint for nefarious types who might be able to brew potions of inflict light wounds.

In a couple of hours I'll be on an island. Don't think they've got Internet, and even if they do I might be too busy snorkelling. Probably won't be further posts me this weekend! DMPC as needed.

Thron, when you get a chance, can you chime in on:
* Resale value (or items, and things like gold dust)
* Discounts for us

Then we can figure out the overall loot distribution and go shopping.

Items usually sell for half the listed price. Exception being trade goods, jewels, etc. those sell for full price.

So, the gold dust has value exactly equal to their listed values.

Thron, thanks for the info. I think I remember that (some? all?) of us get a "hero's discount" at the weaponsmith and/or armorsmith. Can you confirm amount?

Gang, I've updated the loot tracker. Be sure to check both the Loot and the By Owner tabs and let me know if I've misunderstood anything. If I've got it right, everyone's share of the loot is 1404.7 GP

Based on posts here, I have it that Kala is keeping the +1 sword and Morythene is keeping the ring of protection +1. Keeping those items, their share of the cash goes to (Kala: 247.2 & Morythene: 404.7). Everyone else gets their full 1404.7 to spend.

Note, I'd suggest that it's time to have a wand of either CLW or Infernal Healing. The latter has the advantage of (a) healing *all* of us, including Morythene, and (b) healing 10/charge instead of 1d8+1 ~=5.5/charge. The main disadvantage is that it gives you this evil tingly sensation, and it's also not as good for in-combat healing, since you get the HP 1/round for 10 rounds.

So two votes:
1. Do you want to chip in for a healing wand? 750/5=150 GP each
2. If we buy one, are you OK with infernal healing?

My votes are YES to both, but I'd go with CLW if folks prefer it.

Cheers,

You have a 20% discount on anything in Savah's Armory. For some reason though, prices seem high at the general store...lol

...?

In practical terms, is that 20% off any mwk/nonmagical weapons & armor?

Essentially. She does have some magic gear, and there is some in town available. I'll post it when I get home tonight.

I'll be buying a composite longbow (+2), which costs 300 GP.

Then I'll be buying a breastplate (masterwork if she has it) so another 160 GP (includes discount) or 280 for masterwork.

I also vote for buying a wand of infernal healing.

300+280+150=730 GP

Remaining gold: 674 GP 7 SP

Thron - Please let me know if the masterwork BP is available.

Edit:Also selling my chain shirt and longbow.

I'll be staying up all night in prep for night shift. So I'll knock all this out when I get home.

Will remind that Xam can put the good dust to use.

Don't forget the Masterwork Dagger that was found with Zoli's Father's body...

Random Dice Rolls of Nunya Bidness!: 1d20 + 12 ⇒ (14) + 12 = 26
26 x 15 = 390

Progress on Kala's MW Scale Barding: 390/1000 + 0/1500 after 1 week of game time from time of commission, which will have been 3 days ago at the end of this game day. It is being made at the Red Dog Smithy by Das Korvut, FYI.

Random Dice Rolls of Nunya Bidness!: 1d2 ⇒ 1
Yes, Savah's Armory does have a Masterwork Breastplate in stock, and will sell it to you for 280 gp. She also has the composite longbow, for 240 gp.

Random Dice Rolls of Nunya Bidness!: 1d4 ⇒ 2

Once this business at the Hagfish is settled, after two hours of shopping around and offloading goods, which just so happens to barely be able to be done entirely within town (the tiny dagger came close to surpassing the town's purchase limit capability), you guys are able to learn that the following items can be found in town for sale at the following businesses:

At the Rovanky Tannery, Larz Rovanky has a pair of scarred and worn armbands that have clearly seen rough use, and are constructed out of coarse leather and fastened with thick leather straps. He claims they are enchanted in such a way to make one able to gain leverage against someone in close combat. He seems eager to sell it, which if pressed, is because their rugged, used appearance "brings down" the rest of his goods, despite their enchanted nature. (Armbands of the Brawler, selling for 375)

At the Jeweler, there is a fine ring made of polished silver, with a large emerald as the center stone flanked by a pair of small diamonds. He keeps the ring in his vault (which the door is left open to when you arrive), but is willing to bring it out to display to potential clients. He claims that it grants the wearer protection from physical harm. (Ring of Protection +2, selling for full price, 8,000 gp.)

At Pillbug's Pantry, Aliver Podiker has a curious potion he is interested in selling. He claims it can, temporarily of course, stave off the weariness of physical exertion, at the cost of it returning once the spell within the potion ends. (Potion of Invigorate, 50gp)

At the Red Dog Smithy, Das Korvut claims he has a powerfully enchanted blade he would be willing to sell, should a serious buyer come along. He is not willing to show it without someone presenting a fair amount of coin as proof of interest, but he claims it is a cruel looking blade that is coated in acid, melting the surface of anything it touches aside from it's own scabbard. He keeps it hidden, part out of fear of thieves, part out of being creeped out by the thing. (+2 Corrosive Greatsword, 18,000 gp.)

At Savah's Armory, Savah Bevaniky has two items currently in stock she claims is magical. The first is a repeating crossbow that has a darkwood and ivory stock, with the name "Vansaya" on a plate on either side of the stock. (+1 Repeating Crossbow, 2040 gp.) Also, she has recently traded for a large, heavily enchanted shield. It stands nearly the height of a man, and is a dark steel with a flying bird on it's front, with an obsidian background. She has a potential client to trade it to in Magnimar, but would be willing to sell it to the heroes of Sandpoint first (+3 Tower Shield, 7344 gp).

At the General Store, Ven Vinder has a scroll he recently took as trade from an adventurer making a large purchase. While he can't understand it himself, he had Ilsoari, headmaster of the Academy, verify it's authenticity. It is supposed to cause a large gout of flame to surge forth from the person using it. However, his price seems a bit high, and he is unwilling to budge...for some reason... (Scroll of Burning Hands, 32 gp).

The largest selection of magic items in town though has traditionally been with the Feathered Serpent. Vorvashali Voon, the businesses proprietor, has a variety of items he is willing to part with, and a large number more he is not. Of the items he is willing to sell, however, he goes over their capabilities with an eagerness that clearly belies his obsession with the business of trading enchanted wares (and this is also where you would have to sell the enchanted dagger of Erylium's). First, he has a magic wand that he explains is capable of encasing the caster and the surrounding area in fog. Unfortunately, in his study of the item, he accidentally discharged the one casting of the wand when he was trying to determine the command word of the item, and he goes into detail about how the event actually cost him a trade in a most embarrassing manner! (Wand of Fog Cloud, 49 charges, 4400 gp)

Next, he produces four foot long staff, one end of which curls and twists back on itself in a crook. With a look of mischief, he tosses the stick to the ground, at which point it becomes a large constrictor snake. It does not attack, but rather performs Vovashali's commands to the best of its ability before eventually he commands it to return to the form of a staff. (Rod of the Python, 13,000 gp)

The final item he currently has that he is willing to part with is a scroll. He says it is capable of cleverly obscuring the writings on a page of paper. (Scroll of Secret Page, 375 gp.)

Also, today the Sandpoint Market is open, with vendors from nearby towns and cities selling their wares. One particular merchant from Magnimar has some goods he was looking to trade with Vovashali, but would prefer to sell them outright. His first item is a wand, which he states can improve one's natural fighting ability for a short time. (Wand of Magic Fang, 23 charges, 260 gp). His other item is a ring crafted of hardened leather strips, into which bits of fur, feathers, bone, and ivory have been woven. He says that it can help one find the most vital locations on someone you are in combat with. (Ring of Swarming Stabs, 4,500 gp)

...Okay...let me catch my breath...yeah not really. I put a decent bit of work generating all that on vacation and determining who would be selling what, so I wanted to use it gersh dernit!

As you can see, some prices don't match up with what they are listed for. I altered prices based on the vendor's current disposition towards you, as well as their desire to offload any of the items. I know many of these are well out of price range for any one of you to buy, but that's what I rolled up so that's what is here, for now.

If you do all decide to buy a healing wand, you will need to put in an order for one, which will need to be enchanted, but is possible.

Well, can't afford any of that that's desirable at the moment, but good to know.

Yeah, you guys got some lucky rolls on the random items in town, but they are just out of your price range. So...kinda unlucky I guess?

At any rate, it's not a static list. Those items will change out over time, as the shop owners make bargains/trades/sales of them.

Also, they sale cap of any one business in Sandpoint is 5,000 gp. Meaning, if you have an item that is technically worth more than that, you will either need to settle for taking less of a payment and sell it here, or hang onto it and hopefully sell it in a bigger city.

Glad to be back guys! After my message about starting my Shattered Star up again, Thron came to me and asked if I was up for rejoining this campaign (I was), so we hatched up this little 'encounter' to reintroduce the Great Smelly One, Bærnthulhu.

Luckily, during his stay in Sandpoint, Bærn managed to drink so much alchohol and kill so many small animals with his stench alone that he leveled up to level 3 along with you guys.

:P

Thanks for the work on the accounting side Kala (and as always to Thron for the shopping list). It’s an interesting dilemma for Morythine. The armbands of the brawler are going cheap and they’re certainly suitable for Morythine’s fighting style. If we get the wand though, I can’t afford them.

On the subject of the wand, I wouldn’t want to force the party down the infernal healing route just to accommodate the dhampir. I’m happy to live and die* by the challenges of my race.

The ideal solution for me would be for the party to get the wand of CLW split four ways and allow me to buy the armbands. Alternatively, I could pay for my share of the wand later. Arguably, I still need to contribute, as even though he can’t directly heal Morythine, it keeps his friends alive, who keep him alive.

DM Thron, what of potions? Would Morythine be able to track down a couple of potions of inflict light wounds in Sandpoint, or are magical items limited only to the post above. I’m cool either way. :-)
^In the longer term, probably die, but that’s the way the dice go!

And welcome back Baern!

There are a couple of options for potions in town.

Pillbug's Pantry
Bottled Solutions

For more info on them, I'll need some Knowledge (Local) checks from either you or the party if you enlist their aid in your search.

Once everybody has made their decisions on purchases and the like, and are done with any RP they wanna do, please make a ready post in here.

Purchases done for now, RP will done once Baern is ready.

In terms of purchases, the main thing Zoli wants at this point is a small mwk (or magical, of course) scimitar. Are there any for sale in town?

Alternately, once we get to know Baern, I know he's an excellent crafter. With a 19 in weapon and armor smithing, all he needs are some mwk tools to be able take 10 to create mwk items, yes? Of course, crafting mwk items is going to take him 1 week / item, so if we queue up with requests it'll be a while. And does he need to rent time at a forge, or is that somehow abstracted away in "weaponsmithing tools" + the cost of production?

Also, Thron, an OOC question for you: Does Baern actually have crafting time in his future, or should I expect that we'll be adventuring quite a bit before he could make us cool stuff?

Morythine, I think even without a damphir in the party the wand makes sense: it heals 10/charge instead of 1d8+1 ~=5.5/charge so it's almost 2x as good out of combat. In terms of prices, I see a few options:
(1) Zoli would be happy to keep the ring if you want an extra 1000 GP to work with, and (if she saw you oggling the armbands) she would suggest it.
(2) ask the vendor how long he can hold it for you, perhaps even offer to put down a downpayment (which also gives the vendor the confidence to take it off his shelves where its appearance is offending his standards).
(3) ask is someone in the party will float you the 150 'til you can pay it.

It will actually take me about 7 weeks for a masterwork item, as silly as that sounds.

Say I get my masterwork tools - I can take 10 for a 21 on my weekly check. The masterwork component of an item alone would be 300 gp (put into sp would be 3000 sp). Since my progress in a week = the DC of the item (20) x my check (21), that would be 420. 3000 / 420 = Just over 7 weeks. Add the 15 gp of a scimitar to that (150 sp), then you have over 7 weeks but less than 8 weeks to complete a small masterwork scimitar.

Now, there are a few ways to speed this up.

First, if our friendly neighborhood Red Wizard could nab Crafter's Fortune, he could add a 5 to my skill check (26 now). And I could also work by the day instead of the week - normally, a 'work week', according to the downtime rules, is 5 days (Given the 2 day weekends for days off). Instead working by the week, I could work by the day, dividing my check by 5 - and then work two days extra each week.

Doing that and combining Crafter's Fortune:
[DC voluntarily increased by 10 to increase speed for the scimitar]

Scimitar: 150 sp | (26 x 25)/5 = 130 sp/day = 1.15 days
Mwk Component: 3000 sp | (26 x 20)/5 = 104 sp/day = 28 days or 4 full weeks (Rather than almost 6 work weeks)

Total Craft Time: 29 days

Bærn is fully willing to work 8 hours a day, 7 days a week on crafting, provided he can get smashed drunk at night - this is how dedicated to his craft he is.

Alternatively, you could have Bærn simply craft a small scimitar then pay a 3rd level caster 360 gp to cast Masterwork Transformation on it to upgrade it. (60 gp for the spellcasting services, 300 for the material components. Less if they use Blood Money.)

In fact, having our resident wizard gain access to those two spells would completely negate the cost of turning -all- of our equipment into masterwork equipment. All he has to do is drain 1 strength per casting and 1d6 damage. Whats a little pain for some gain? And its not like it'll hurt his pretty face. :P

Btw Thron, I'm not seeing this campaign under my active campaigns - its under my previous campaigns. Any chance you can see if I'm considered an active player in the campaign settings?

There isn't a huge number of small sized adventurers traveling through Sandpoint, so they have little small sized equipment in stock. So, you'll need to have it crafted.

This campaign is not on rails, and anytime you guys want to take some time for crafting just say so. There may be negative consequences (or none), but I'm not gonna force you to do anything (unless you try to go AWAL on the whole campaign).

Also, I'll disregard any rent fees to use a forge. He did help at the festival, even if he has just been a drunken nuisance ever since. :-P

Also, Baern...the Hagfish is eyeballing you.

I think I fixed your problem Baern. Showing up now?

No its not showing up still

Now?

Yep! Working now. Thanks :D

Aaand unless Eugeni wants to continue the convo, I'm ready to move on! I have no extra money to splurge right now due to the fact I missed the group's latest escapades, so I'll just be drinking my dwarven arse off.

Ready.

Not rushing anyone, just posting to keep myself from having to rescan the thread.

Ready:
Eugeni
Baern

No more posting from work, sadly. Obsessing over 2E stuff isn't helping much in that regard, either. But I'm here and ready. Nothing to buy and not much to do for Xammy apart from hitting on locals. We were mostly waiting on Hemlock to return, right?

Thanks for the input DM Thron and Zoli.

I'd prefer to keep the ring of protection+1 . So with that in mind, is anyone prepared to lend Morythine 150 GP?

@ DM Thron; would Larz be prepared to hold onto the Armbands of the Brawler if I couldn't afford to buy them now? Would he require a downpayment?

I don't have links in Knowledge (local) for tracking down potions, but would a Diplomacy check to gather information offer a substitute?

If so: Diplomacy: 1d20 - 1 ⇒ (9) - 1 = 8

Purchases aside, I'm good to move along with the story in the Gameplay thread.

As for bartering for and locating potions, sure, diplomacy is fine, and either of those alchemists claim to be able to brew them for you.

The knowledge check was for your benefit...*evil DM grin*

As for the bands, he would hold them for you if you put a respectable down payment on them.

Gack! It takes 7+ weeks to make a mwk weapon!?

OK (once we establish an IC relationship) I'll happily ask Baern to spend a day crafting a small non-mwk scimitar. In game terms, I can't imagine that it makes sense for us to sit on our thumbs for seven weeks for one weapon (especially given that presumably other characters would like mwk weapons and armor as well, so if you're our sole smith we're really multiplying this out to more than six months...)

Thron, do the smiths in Sandpoint have the ability to turn out mwk weapons more quickly (e.g. is there one or more with a higher modifier, or assistants who can Aid them)? Or can we import them from a stock in Magnimar? (Or asked differently, if Zoli wants a mwk (or enchanted) small scimitar, what're her options, apart from waiting 7 weeks? Like, maybe we can pay someone to teach Xamarath Masterwork Transformation, as Baern suggested.)

I might as well ask this too: do we have any small mithral chain shirts in town, or for that matter small mithral breastplates? (I just looked at the crafting rules and am not 100% sure I understand the way special materials effect crafting times, but I'm assuming the material cost adds to the item's crafting time, e.g. DC 16 to craft a breastplate, voluntarily adding +10 for DC 26 * Baern taking 10 for 26 (10 +9 skill +2 mwk tools +5 crafter's fortune) = 676 SP/5 days or 135.2/day. 42,000 SP / 135.2 = 311 eight hour days without a day off. Yoiks! Might be time for Xam to start researching a custom Mithral Transformation spell...)

EDIT: I'll wait for an answer before finalizing, but at minimum I'll be buying a small scimitar....And considering a mwk one, and/or mithral chain shirt, if either is feasible.

I'm going to probably house rule the crafting items rules just a smidge. I will post the formal changes later, but to give an idea to my line of thought...

1) Craft time is based on base price of weapon.
2) A MW version does not take extra time, but does require the extra cost and a higher DC check.
3) Special Material does NOT add to time to create an item.

Now, to answer your questions...

Right now, no special material items are lurking in Sandpoint. However, the purchase of the materials or finished products are most likely possible via Magnimar, though there are added risks to that as well (bandits bush whacking a caravan carrying valuable, rare cargo for example).

Certainly won't complain about those crafting rules one bit! :D

Hehe did you guys know that it would take a level 5 character about 7 years to make adamantine full plate? I do think the crafting rules are a teeeennssy bit off.

Once had a big discussion with my cousin and other gamer crew, Xamarath included, about them as written. The special materials affecting the length of crafting was pretty much agreed upon as being a bit much. I can ALMOST understand the masterwork length, but not to the extreme that it turns an item craftable in a day into a couple month project.

By these new rules (and an correction I noticed in my earlier figuring) Kala's barding, after a week of work as stated above, will now be at 520/2000.

Cool, in that case I'll happily wait a day for a mwk scimitar, costing 105+the cost of a beer ;-) .

If it makes sense to order the raw materials now for a mithral breastplate, I'll put in an order with a carvavan or importer, so that Baern can craft with'm whenever we get more spoils. (The breastplate'll cost 1400 to craft, in total, including 1200 GP worth of mithral).

That'll make my purchases:
- 105 mwk scimitar (crafted)
- 1200 raw mithral (ordered, for later armersmithing)

(You mentioned going to Magnimar. Zoli would enjoy the trip, once she was confident Sandpoint is out of danger or if she knew they had need to go there otherwise...but for now at least she feels it'd be irresponsible to leave town. Maybe once Hemlock and Shalelu return, depending on their news...)

Any chance you (or the group) could spare a bit of coin to get Baern Mwk Weaponsmithing Tools? Right now, he can't automatically succeed on taking 10 for the Mwk component of your stuff.

Do note that with Thron's modified crafting rules, Baern could more than pay that off for each of you in time.

(Mwk Weaponsmithing Tools will cost 55 gp, not including any of Thron's modifiers due to discounts and whatnot)