The Fallen Shall Rise (Inactive)

Game Master Nazard

If people are interested, I tend to put my characters' loot up in a spreadsheet. I can make one for the whole party and put it on google docs with a link from the website. It would have a page for each party member, and a page for entering loot to be divided.

"Postmonster causin' ya problems there, Vene?"

Venedictus wrote:

If people are interested, I tend to put my characters' loot up in a spreadsheet. I can make one for the whole party and put it on google docs with a link from the website. It would have a page for each party member, and a page for entering loot to be divided.

"Postmonster causin' ya problems there, Vene?"

Sigh, reposting in proper thread.

Will be crazy busy today... play me as necessary, guys...

I'm really hoping that I'll be able to swing getting my APG pdf soonish. If people wish to rebuild characters using archetypes or switching out for new feats, that's all fine, just so long as you aren't losing abilities you've already used to any significant effect. I would prefer if the changes fit thematically with the established character, rather than just cool new stuff.

Oh, so Biter can't switch to a Sniper Rogue? How about a Dark Sorcerer? Inquisitor of Gorum? :D

Nazard: They have a racial variant for half-elves that was seemingly made for Alexis and Alis.

Water Child: Some half-elves are born of elves adapted to life on or near the water. These half-elves gain a +4 racial bonus on Swim checks, can always take 10 while swimming, and may choose Aquan as a bonus language. This racial trait replaces the half-elf's adaptability and multitalented racial traits.

I've updated both of the twins accordingly. (They already knew Aquan and had Skill Focus: Swim to begin with.)

Since I haven't used it yet, I've swapped out Deep Breath for Touch of the Sea (transmutation: creature touched gains swim speed for 1 min/level). Also, I've added the new cantrip they included: Spark (evocation: make a fine object catch fire as if by flint & steel).

I figure we can just say that she noticed the cantrip on a page folded up inside the journal or maybe Grey mentioned it to her when she talked about explosives.

As for class abilities, the core version of the Transmuter is already a better fit for Alexis than either the Shapechange or Enhancement sub-schools. Therefore I won't be looking to change that.

Since I haven't used it yet, I've swapped out Deep Breath for Touch of the Sea (transmutation: creature touched gains swim speed for 1 min/level). Also, I've added the new cantrip they included: Spark (evocation: make a fine object catch fire as if by flint & steel).

I figure we can just say that she noticed the cantrip on a page folded up inside the journal or maybe Grey mentioned it to her when she talked about explosives.

As for class abilities, the core version of the Transmuter is already a better fit for Alexis than either the Shapechange or Enhancement sub-schools. Therefore I won't be looking to change that.

Shoots her a jealous glare.

Alexis, those changes are fine.

Cool, thanks.

So the 'Weapon Adept' Monk variant... can that be applied to unarmed attacks or strictly to physical weapons?

I think Rath, given how savagely unrequited his love for Alexis is even-though-she-is-a-bit-pale-and-too-well-blonde-to-be-truly-beautiful-by- Vudrani-standards-but-Rath-is-willing-to-overlook-that... Rath shall hit the sauce heavily and become a Drunken Master. :P

Haha! Oh great, I can see that Pete will have some enthusiastic support when it comes time to build a still for the town's brewery.

BTW, given events transpiring in the main thread, I thought that there were a few things that needed pointing out from the APG regarding Eidolons and Summoners:

Life Link (Su): Starting at 1st level, a summoner forms a close bond with his eidolon. Whenever the eidolon takes enough damage to send it back to its home plane, the summoner can, as a free action, sacrifice any number of hit points. Each hit point sacrificed in this way prevents 1 point of damage done to the eidolon. This can prevent the eidolon from being sent back to its home plane.

In addition, the eidolon and the summoner must remain within 100 feet of one another for the eidolon to remain at full strength. If the eidolon is beyond 100 feet but closer than 1,000 feet, its current and maximum hit point totals are reduced by 50%. If the eidolon is more than 1,000 feet away but closer than 10,000 feet, its current and maximum hit point totals are reduced by 75%. If the eidolon is more than 10,000 feet away, it is immediately returned to its home plane. Current hit points lost in this way are not restored when the eidolon gets closer to its summoner, but its maximum hit point total does return to normal.

i.e. The range of their link is much greater than 100 feet.

Bond Senses (Su): Starting at 2nd level, a summoner can, as a standard action, share the senses of his eidolon, hearing, seeing, smelling, tasting, and touching everything the eidolon does. He can use this ability a number of rounds per day equal to his summoner level. There is no range to this effect, but the eidolon and the summoner must be on the same plane. The summoner can end this effect as a free action.

In otherwords, Burnsten does not feel all the damage that Tracant takes all the time. He only feels such things when he activates this very time-limited ability.

Naz: Can I use the 'Weapon Adept' Monk variant but apply it to his open hand attacks? It seems like none of the variants bumps the open hand combat abilities. Even the Open Hand Monk is about using improvised weapons... so I think a Weapon Adept who focuses on unarmed attacks makes sense and fills a niche. Thoughts?

Naz: Can I use the 'Weapon Adept' Monk variant but apply it to his open hand attacks? It seems like none of the variants bumps the open hand combat abilities. Even the Open Hand Monk is about using improvised weapons... so I think a Weapon Adept who focuses on unarmed attacks makes sense and fills a niche. Thoughts?

I don't know about it, don't have my PDF yet, but is it possible that the "Open Hand Weapon Adept" is the core monk? If the archetype were supposed to be used with unarmed strikes, it probably would have been written that way. It's not like monks and unarmed strikes wouldn't have occurred to the designers as something that go together.

I'll copy/paste you the text in an email so you can take a look at the description and see what you think.

I'll copy/paste you the text in an email so you can take a look at the description and see what you think.

Got the e-mail. There doesn't seem to be anything in there that's going to break the archetype if you use it with unarmed attacks, but the flavour text suggests that it's intended for weapons only. In a way, using it with unarmed attacks limits the archetype, as you will have to choose between losing the weapon focus and specialization feats or doing sucky damage anytime you come up against something with damage reduction of x/not fists (like zombies).

If you want to try it, go ahead.

I agree that using this for unarmed attacks is less than optimal compared to using it with weapons... and the price is pretty high. Out of all the Monk variants it is the one they clearly put the least time into creating. I'm not committed to trying it, just wanted to get a 'yea/nay' if it could be applied to unarmed attacks before I invested too much time in it. I'll have to look at the other variants to see if any of them really fit Rath. Thanks for the quick response!

Yeah but roleplaying speaking it's a standard action and activates as a free action so it's sort of a sustained ability while not in actual combat, so I can only move or share senses, and Life Link let's me give HP to Tracant that I'm using it like I absorb 50% all damage taken from tracant.

Are not not reading or not comprehending how these abilities actually work?

Whenever the eidolon takes enough damage to send it back to its home plane, the summoner can, as a free action, sacrifice any number of hit points. Each hit point sacrificed in this way prevents 1 point of damage done to the eidolon.

Automatically taking 50% of Tracant's damage is not an option granted by that. You can only take damage for him if it would be enough to unsummon him.

ALSO, with regard to Bond Senses, the additional point I was making is that you do not constantly feel whatever your eidolon does. Having Burnsten complain as if he does is disingenuous.

You got a point and are certenly right my bad, I'll correct it =)

Falling Damage as per Nazard:

Not a whole lot different, other than that I allow an Acrobatics check DC 15 to convert the first 1d6 of falling damage into non-lethal, even if your fall is unintentional.

I was going through my house rules and am wondering if there have been changes with Pathfinder over 3.5 or if I had just been reading 3.5 wrong all those years (all the stuff about negating damage if you jump down, etc.)

Level 3...oh right, doh. DING

OMG wee!

GUYS:
When you level up, please post in here with what skill point selections you make so that I can keep the skill matrix up-to-date. Thanks!

Alexis will take her 3rd level in Transmuter.

HP 1d6 + 1 ⇒ (4) + 1 = 5 Con 12

Feat: Craft Wondrous Item
Skill Points: 2 + 5 + 1 = 8 wizard, int 20, favored class

• +1 Diplomacy
  
• +1 Disable Device
  
• +1 K: Arcana
  
• +1 K: Local (Arcadia)
  
• +2 Sense Motive
  
• +1 Spellcraft
  
• +1 Swim
  

Spells Learned:

• Fly (swift)
  
• Whirling Blade
  

Elorin adds 1 lvl of fighter.

Skills 4 pts:
1 Acrobatics
1 Perception
1 Stealth
1 Survival

Feats:
Precise Shot
Deadly Aim

Hit points HP Roll1d10 + 1 ⇒ (1) + 1 = 2

EDIT: Okay I will take Naz's roll :) Naz? Thx.

Elorin adds 1 lvl of fighter.

Skills 4 pts:
1 Acrobatics
1 Perception
1 Stealth
1 Survival

Feats:
Precise Shot
Deadly Aim

Hit points HP Roll1d10+1

EDIT: Okay I will take Naz's roll :) Naz? Thx.

1d10 ⇒ 3 There you go. Sorry, not much better

Naz, how about we just use the method that Pathfinder Society uses? i.e. 1/2 HD (rounded down) + 1:

d6 = 4
d8 = 5
d10 = 6
d12 = 7

Alexis's thought is fine by me, but if you decide otherwise here's a roll.

HP Roll:1d8 + 1 ⇒ (2) + 1 = 3

Skills Taken [4 + 3 + 1(human) + 1 (favored class)] = 9

Climb 1 rank, skill is now +5/+4
Craft (Alchemy) 1 rank, skill is now +7
Perception 1 rank, skill is now +11
Sense Motive 1 rank, skill is now +12
Survival 1 rank, skill is now +13
Handle Animal 1 rank, skill is now +4
Knowledge (Geography) 1 rank, skill is now +9
Knowledge (Nature) 1 rank, skill is now +11
Spellcraft 1 rank, skill is now +9

Feat: Brew Potion

Naz, how about we just use the method that Pathfinder Society uses? i.e. 1/2 HD (rounded down) + 1:

d6 = 4
d8 = 5
d10 = 6
d12 = 7

Because despite the contrary evidence just seen, most of the time this will lead to better hp totals while still keeping the randomness of rolling (75% chance of getting at least 1/2HD + 1)

Alexis's thought is fine by me, but if you decide otherwise here's a roll.

HP Roll:1d8 + 1

Skills Taken [4 + 3 + 1(human) + 1 (favored class)] = 9

Climb 1 rank, skill is now +5/+4
Craft (Alchemy) 1 rank, skill is now +7
Perception 1 rank, skill is now +11
Sense Motive 1 rank, skill is now +12
Survival 1 rank, skill is now +13
Handle Animal 1 rank, skill is now +4
Knowledge (Geography) 1 rank, skill is now +9
Knowledge (Nature) 1 rank, skill is now +11
Spellcraft 1 rank, skill is now +9

Feat: Brew Potion

Gregor, do you wish to take a DM roll? Can only hurt you if I roll a 1.

Burnsten
HP 1d8 + 2 ⇒ (7) + 2 = 9

Feat:
Augemented Summoning

Skills:
Perception 1
Spellcraft 1
Knowledge Religion 1 (yeah curiosity on undead now)
Linguistics 1
Nevermind I'll use it for linguistics to talk to my elemental summon
Spells:
Enlarge Person

Summons:
Summon Monster I:
Ancestral Warrior
Celestial Eagle

Summon Monster II:
War Dog
Elemental

Tracant
HP: 1d10 + 1 ⇒ (5) + 1 = 6

Feat:
Improved Natural Attack (Claws)

Skills:
Survival 1
Swim 1
Perception 1
Sense Motive 1

Evolutions:
Limbs (2)
Claw (1)
Energy Attacks (2) +1d6 Electric (unless other one suggested)

Gregor, do you wish to take a DM roll? Can only hurt you if I roll a 1.

Sure, why not.

Nazard wrote:

Gregor, do you wish to take a DM roll? Can only hurt you if I roll a 1.

Sure, why not.

1d8 ⇒ 7 Much better

Gregor Trevian wrote:

Nazard wrote:

Gregor, do you wish to take a DM roll? Can only hurt you if I roll a 1.

Sure, why not.

1d8 Much better

Thanks! :)

1d12 ⇒ 10

Yep, I think I'll keep that roll.

I'll do the rest of my level up as soon as I can... baby duty!

HP 1d8 ⇒ 7 Yeah I'll take this.

SKILLS: 11 total
1. Acrobatics +7 (DEX +3, Rank +2, Class +3, Armour check penalty -1)
2. Appraise +10 (Int +2, Rank +3, Class +3, Dwarven Greed +2 )
3. Climb +8 (STR +2, Rank +3, Class +3)
4. Disable Device +10 (DEX +3, Rank +3, Class +3, Feat +2, Armour check penalty -1, +1 trapfinding)
5. Knowledge: Dungeoneering +8 (INT+2, Rank +2, Class +3, Trait +1)
6. Perception: +8 (WIS +2, Rank +3, Class +3)
7. Sense Motive +8 (WS +2, Rank +3, Class +3)
8. Sleight of Hand +9 (Dex +3, Rank +1, Class +3, Feat +2)
9. Stealth +8 (DEX +3, Rank +3, Class +3, Armour check penalty -1)
10. Swim +7 (ST+1, Rank +3, Class +3)
11. Use Magic Device +2 (CHA -2, Rank +1, Class +3)

Feat Deft Hands

Taking a level of Barbarian... hp roll is above (10 + 3 + 1 = 14).

Feat: Power Attack

Skills (5): Acrobatics, Escape Artist, Perception, Stealth, Survival.

Rage Power: Animal Fury

Taking a level of Barbarian... hp roll is above (10 + 3 + 1 = 14).

Feat: Power Attack

Skills (5): Acrobatics, Escape Artist, Perception, Stealth, Survival.

Rage Power: Animal Fury

Now they'll have to keep checking Rath out after the canoodling sessions for any suspicious bite marks...

Elorin adds 1 lvl of fighter.

Skills 4 pts:
1 Acrobatics
1 Perception
1 Stealth
1 Survival

Feats:
Precise Shot
Deadly Aim

Hit points HP Roll1d10+1

EDIT: Okay I will take Naz's roll :) Naz? Thx.

Stephen, what's your favored class, Fighter or Ranger?

Burnsten

HP 1d8 + 2

...

Skills:
Perception 1
Spellcraft 1
Knowledge Religion 1 (yeah curiosity on undead now)
Linguistics 1
Nevermind I'll use it for linguistics to talk to my elemental summon

Frank, it doesn't look like you assigned your favored class bonus. Were you going with +1 HP or an extra skill point?

I'll hold off on updating Burnsten's entry until you've had a chance to reply in case you change things.

Skills Taken [4 + 3 + 1(human) + 1 (favored class)] = 9

Climb 1 rank, skill is now +5/+4
Craft (Alchemy) 1 rank, skill is now +7
Perception 1 rank, skill is now +11
Sense Motive 1 rank, skill is now +12
Survival 1 rank, skill is now +13
Handle Animal 1 rank, skill is now +4
Knowledge (Geography) 1 rank, skill is now +9
Knowledge (Nature) 1 rank, skill is now +11
Spellcraft 1 rank, skill is now +9

Thanks for the nice breakdown, that was helpful. Gregor is updated now.

Taking a level of Barbarian... hp roll is above (10 + 3 + 1 = 14).

...

Skills (5): Acrobatics, Escape Artist, Perception, Stealth, Survival.

Updated, favored->HP noted.

SKILLS: 11 total
1. Acrobatics +7 (DEX +3, Rank +2, Class +3, Armour check penalty -1)
2. Appraise +10 (Int +2, Rank +3, Class +3, Dwarven Greed +2 )
3. Climb +8 (STR +2, Rank +3, Class +3)
4. Disable Device +10 (DEX +3, Rank +3, Class +3, Feat +2, Armour check penalty -1, +1 trapfinding)
5. Knowledge: Dungeoneering +8 (INT+2, Rank +2, Class +3, Trait +1)
6. Perception: +8 (WIS +2, Rank +3, Class +3)
7. Sense Motive +8 (WS +2, Rank +3, Class +3)
8. Sleight of Hand +9 (Dex +3, Rank +1, Class +3, Feat +2)
9. Stealth +8 (DEX +3, Rank +3, Class +3, Armour check penalty -1)
10. Swim +7 (ST+1, Rank +3, Class +3)
11. Use Magic Device +2 (CHA -2, Rank +1, Class +3)

Feat Deft Hands

Already IM'd you about the missing ACPs but you're all updated on the matrix now.

Rath HPs: 1d8 + 1 ⇒ (8) + 1 = 9
1 Monk Level
Skills Points 4; -1 for INT; +1 for Human; +1 for Favored Class = 5 total

Perception (1) total: +9
Stealth (1) total: +8
Acrobatics (2) total: +8
Climb (1) total: +9

Well I still have 1 skill point left since I got a nice roll in HP so I'm not sure if I cn take it in whater ever knowledge from the diary of the Scraeling culture or in their language?

roll for HP 1d8 + 1 ⇒ (6) + 1 = 7

skill ranks x5 (2 class, 1 int, 1 race, 1 fav. class)

3 ranks to spell craft (Abbas will ask Alexis with help training in this when we have free time)

2 ranks to heal

Feat: brew potion

Naz: Can i use this opportunity to use the Invulnerable Rager class variant from the APG.. giving up Trap Sense, Uncanny Dodge, Improved Uncanny Dodge, the existing DR, and Trap Sense in exchange or an accelerated version of DR and a couple other goodies at higher levels?

I haven't used any of the abilities I would be losing, but my little gobbo warrior would be even more of a little melee wrecking ball.

Let me know.

Elorin/Nazard... I'm gonna start pushign to gather materials for Elorin to make me that small Elven Curved blade (and i'd love for it to be a mwk Cold Iron one, at that). With little warrior/goblin/wolf engraving would be awesome. Cause once I actually get that weapon, I can carry it around with me (presumably training with it) and then take a level of Rogue (and use the talent to gain proficiency). Let me know if there's anythign I hve to do to make this happen... or if we have the materials now.

Well I still have 1 skill point left since I got a nice roll in HP so I'm not sure if I cn take it in whater ever knowledge from the diary of the Scraeling culture or in their language?

Knowledge (Local; Arcadia) or Linguistics to speak Skraeling common are both fine options.

Naz: Can i use this opportunity to use the Invulnerable Rager class variant from the APG.. giving up Trap Sense, Uncanny Dodge, Improved Uncanny Dodge, the existing DR, and Trap Sense in exchange or an accelerated version of DR and a couple other goodies at higher levels?

I haven't used any of the abilities I would be losing, but my little gobbo warrior would be even more of a little melee wrecking ball.

Let me know.

Elorin/Nazard... I'm gonna start pushign to gather materials for Elorin to make me that small Elven Curved blade (and i'd love for it to be a mwk Cold Iron one, at that). With little warrior/goblin/wolf engraving would be awesome. Cause once I actually get that weapon, I can carry it around with me (presumably training with it) and then take a level of Rogue (and use the talent to gain proficiency). Let me know if there's anythign I hve to do to make this happen... or if we have the materials now.

Invulnerable Rager is fine, Ben. However, you don't have the materials to make a cold iron curve blade. You could probably scrounge up/beg/borrow/steal regular steel from the colonial stores to make a normal masterwork curve blade.

Elorin wrote:

Elorin adds 1 lvl of fighter.

Skills 4 pts:
1 Acrobatics
1 Perception
1 Stealth
1 Survival

Feats:
Precise Shot
Deadly Aim

Hit points HP Roll1d10+1

EDIT: Okay I will take Naz's roll :) Naz? Thx.

Stephen, what's your favored class, Fighter or Ranger?

Ranger....

Invulnerable Rager is fine, Ben. However, you don't have the materials to make a cold iron curve blade. You could probably scrounge up/beg/borrow/steal regular steel from the colonial stores to make a normal masterwork curve blade.

Cool. I can deal. I'll make the changes on Biter's character sheet. Do you want me to role-play that scrounging/begging? or can we just say that i'm doing that in my down-time, and have Elorin make his Crafting rolls in the down-tme as well, and you can incorporate it into any narration flavor text?