Hi, everyone.
This is our campaign discussion thread.
I haven't made a recruitment thread yet, but we can start roleplaying in gameplay thread and see how it goes.
I don't think we need GM for introduction, but it will be much more beneficial for us to show possible GM, how we can play. If the moment comes and we cannot find any, I think I can step in and move us a bit further. I have access to the first book, but I like my character concept, so I'd like to be more playing than GMing.
Alrighty. I'll try to get something in the gameplay thread shortly.
Although, I don't think we should go too far without a GM. Wouldn't want to make too many assumptions on their behalf.
Yeah I don't think we should go too far beyond intros here without some direction. Its tough to meld visions once that happens.
Thanks for trying to put this together!
Hi,
Geliglee Geerwander has not answered my PM about private thing we have started here, so how do you think: should we put "Looking for GM" call in Recruitment without him or should we put "Looking for Arcane caster in Kingmaker AP"
Please, vote below.
I'd like to start playing, so I vote "Looking for GM"
Probably a good idea, and most people do AP's with 20 pt buy. 15 and things start getting lethal. I run Skull and Shackles in RL and have had to tinker things around so much to personal preference and certain things are rather terrifying. Looking for 1 more and GM is usually a decent recruitment, in theory we could even do 2 more people as AP's are designed for 4-6.
I would definitely say label the recruitment thread with looking for GM, since that is what we absolutely need to play.
We can look for another player too, but I would make that a secondary priority. We could get the ball rolling and add someone later, who can meet us at Oleg's, for example.
Geliglee found! So I will post "Look for GM" in Recrutment as soon as I got to my laptop tomorrow.
Hey all, I'm game if we find a GM.
Hello. I can GM for you guys, as I've been thinking of running either Kingmaker or WoR and tending to Kingmaker at that. So here is some info about me and how I would GM this campaign if you accept me.
I'm a longtime RPG player and have played Pathfinder for about 3 and a half years, I run a game for friends afk which doesn't sate my RP needs, and pbp is generally a pretty different experience anyway.
How I gm:
Sincerely I'm much more focused in the history and role playing aspect than the rules, which means if I think something will add to the story make it better, more fun, etc. I'll allow it even if it breaks the rulesor is not an official thing.
I'm a bit lazy so I'll prefer to take ready adventures and campaigns though I still do quite a lot of work as I dislike railroading. Which means if my players choose different options than these available on the AP I will create scenes and encounters until we get back to the AP.
How I will run this AP if I GM for you guys (Or on a later date XD):
First let me begin by saying that while this is one of the best AP around it's incomplete. I believe there are several reasons for this, the fact this is a truly one of a kind d20 published campaign, the need for GM's and players to customize the AP so they are invested in their Kingdom and of course there are always the needs of a publisher.
I'm saying this because this campaign has some big time jumps, of months, of years, and while one could simply not roleplay any of this. I found by running this for my afk table that is not a good option. You see this is THE downtime campaign and the more activities the players and their characters are involved in the kingdom the better.
There is also another thing which needs to be filled by GM's and players: The citizens, a Kingdom and a city needs people and among these people some notables will appear. When I was GMing this afk I made some of the NPC's myself while allowing players to bring (Create) old acquaintances or family. (Though I took control of them after.)
And finally we come to the last item: I think the last module for this sucks, not completely, but it's a dungeon crawl lacking heroic or memorable moments, it's a fun dungeon but nothing more.
Thus if I run this I will add a lot of homebrew things and change pretty much all of the 6th module.
Well if you guys are okay with all that then I can run this AP for you guys I will strive to make at least 1 post per day, probably more, and I hope you guys can do the same.
Any questions?
I don't think I have any questions - I definitely prefer a style where story is more important than rules. I'm fine with you changing things to make the story a more interesting one than its written if you think that's the best interest of story and fun.
*Waves at Brass Legionary* Hello person from the other campaign I am in...(Ami Fyora in Way of the Wicked)
I personally don't have any problems with what you are suggesting. From what I can tell Kingmaker is supposed to lend itself to a lot of customization. As for the roleplaying thing, the whole reason I am starting to get into PbP is to get a little more RP than I usually get from my real life gaming groups. So I would be interested...
Story definitely matters more sometimes than rules. I don't have any questions. I'm similar to Isla where I'm relatively new to pbp and I'm starting to get into a bit more RP than I usually do. Which I find to be fun and enjoyable.
Hello, Brass Legionary
You brought up really nice questions, basically, this is question like "what type of Kingmaker" we would like to see. I agree to others, that say Story rules over rules.
I will answer for myself, and I think other can add something to that:
* I see this campaign more cinematic than heroic. It have some Wild West exploration elements, but I expect we leave place for people and how their story intervenes with events in Stolen Lands. I would like character to have ability to play their goals and actually be involved into building Kingdom.
* I'm not a big-name fan of PbP combat, so as long it is logical, we can try to stay out of it. I allow GM to save time and do my actions, like "he took a swing and finished lizard right away". I don't mind losing my spells or equipment if my character is played in this manner.
* I like for characters to pay attention to details and contribute to world-building: inventing NPC, giving names to horses and dogs, discussing equipment upgrades or something. If we are able to roleplay skill training, spell discoveries and other stuff this would contribute to my enjoyment very much.
* NPC-to-NPC and PC-to-NPC romance, social challenges and intrigues. Sane economy (ok, this sounds to much in fantasy game), would be nice addition.
So are all of you in agreement about having me as GM? Or do you guys wish to wait and see if anyone else comes around? I'm not sure if Geliglee is following the topic.
Edit: And yes the way this campaign can be played varies, mainly in two issues: Either to have the kingdom as a simple background thing, or having it in the center. (From experience and talking with other people I think the second option is much better.)
Then if the AP is being centered around the Kingdom then how far do players want to explore what they can do with it, how it develops, politically, economically...
Like in my afk game and in some other Kingmaker game's around there were players who even wrote laws for their kingdoms and such.
@GM: Yes, I like that! Writing laws, arranging dynastic marriage, sending spies, forging documents, building army and signing economic agreements, plotting against neighbours.
Personally, I hope this game will give me totally new Pathfinder experience. I've put us into Sword Lords of Restov Great Hall for introduction. You can pick us up from there or skip some time and move into any location you want.
Geliglee appeared yesterday, so probably he will be around as soon as game starts.
@Party: what is your favourite approach on that - we decide some details in Discussion thread - or we role-play all party actions/decisions and find our common solution. For example, I've seen a party, that started a discussion thread with "We share loot equally in 5 parts. 5th part is common fund, which can be used. If you are buying something expensive discuss that with party first". I used to see such thing solved around the table in character and that brings more enjoyment for me this way: it's more likely fighter is asking wizard, what type of magical sword there are in the world, than going into store looking for +1 keen vicious frostbite cold-iron rapier.
I'm in agreement, we all were part of a different recruitment but all had pretty decent characters with good stories that would mesh well together. Nalys gathered us all here so we could have a chance to play.
@ Nalys I definitely prefer a group discussion about things, and working with each other; and I think that this will lend itself to cooperation. Heck, mostly when I've played afk I prefer to let the spellcasters cover their costs BEFORE the party deals with loot.
@ Brass Legionary - Yes, I think it sounds great, thanks for picking it up!
I am in. I like what Brass Legionary has as a concept.
I think we should figure out the details of how the party gets along IC once we begin the game.
As for treasure, perhaps we join in an adventurer's contract. The way I like to deal with magic items is to consider everything liquid, but allow people to purchase found items from the party at sale price. Members can go into debt tot the party if they can't afford an item. Some healing type items may be purchased pre-split. If two people want the same item, they can bid or purchase a second item and split the additional cost. Works well with no hard feelings.
I have no problem with Brass Legionary taking the reigns as DM...and I would definitely like to get more involved with the kingdom building aspect. That's the main reason I am interested in this AP.
Regarding discussion, I prefer stuff like plans to be worked out IC in gameplay, while book-keeping type stuff like loot and XP happens in discussion, but I am really down for whatever. Talking stuff out in discussion would hardly be a deal breaker.
As for loot, my groups have always just split money evenly and given items to whoever need them most (roll off if there is a dispute). If everyone wants to buy something we all just split it from our own funds...but thats with a group of people who all know each other really well and can resolve things in person. Not sure how well it works over play-by-post. I'm fine with whatever the group wants. Not sure I totally followed some of the other suggested methods, but I'm sure I'll process them better when I haven't been up since 4:45am... ;)
Well if you guys are okay with me then I will be your GM for this. I'll hope we enjoy this, by the way are your characters ready? With equipment etc? I know they are all 20pt and I'm going to go with that, is there anything you guys would like to change? Any equipment that needs buying? It will be some time until you get an opportunity to buy things as normal again.
Also: Unless anyone has problems with that I'll plan to start tomorrow, you guys can feel free to keep role playing in the hall before getting the charter.
Thanks Brass Legionary!
My character's ready. I may mull over equiptment one more time, since I have some left over gold...but I don't think there is anything I need.
As for build changes, I don't think I would change anything at this point. Although, if we ever had to introduce someone new or someone needed to replace a dead character, I wouldn't complain if we eased up some of the bans (considering there are about 30 archtypes that are banned based on the preference of someone who isn't involved in the campaign...)
Okay, I would offer the saddle of my horse to Isla in case she didn't want to walk too much. If she wouldn't I would offer a lift to Geliglee first then anybody else next. That or we could ride the horse in shifts, I don't really mind. I just have to be honorable and merciful. I also have the Inexorable Authority trait so if I have a legal right to stop bandits I can gain bonuses to intimidating bandits.
I knew I was forgetting something Here is the charter: https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B6KKmU1RVnDUa0hJR1hlUVZJeUU/view?usp=shari ng
So yes Calum you get bonuses
Gelliglee has a riding dog.
I assume we could have purchased enough trail rations to make the journey ahead of time? I'll deduct appropriate gold if so
@Calum: Isla would probably be too embarrassed/guilty to take the horse at first...but would probably gladly be accepting the ride by the end of the journey.
I assume we could have purchased enough trail rations to make the journey ahead of time? I'll deduct appropriate gold if so
Yes feel free to do so.
@Nalys: Do you think we would be able to get the link to the charter added to either the top of the page or campaign info for convenience?
Also, we might want to consider handing the campaign ownership over to Brass, so he has a little more freedom to add what he needs, when he needs it.
Yes, of course. I'll do that.
Feel free to post here, if you'd like something to be saved/updated in campaign tab.
I don't mind to give campaign ownership to Brass, if he'd like, but I don't know how to do that. Probably, he need to contact someone at Paizo's team.
Thanks!
Regarding the handovers, here are the instructions that I found:
If you are the GM for a play-by-post campaign but didn't start the thread, please email community@paizo.com.
We need:
•A link to your profile page (click on your name at the top where it says "Welcome, your name!"
•A link to the gameplay and discussion threads for the campaigns you have inherited.Just copy and paste these links from the address bar in your browser, please.
So I think you're right.
It's no big deal, I just thought I'd put it out there since it might make things easier.
I kind of wish we had a sorceress named Lina with us for all the bandit killing.
Dear friends,
Today I'm leaving for 4 day vacation in area of unknown Internet availability.
I'll be back November, 1st.
Sorry for possible delays in my answers during that time.
@GM, several questions about Goodberry cast:
1) According to description of Goodberry requires "freshly picked berries". It's Calistril now, which is basically equals February. Can druid find any freshly-picked berries or cast is invalid?
2) Cast transmutes a berry infusing it with magical power. Is it possible to keep a berry in your mouth during fight scene and eat it as soon as you get first blow, to stop bleeding? I'm ready to ignore +1 hp effect of berry, if it could be used as immediate reaction on getting smashed.
3) Cast duration is 1 day/level. Means, if I go now to field looking for berries and cast it before midnight, I can perform my 1-hour meditation in morning, with first light of the sun and have other 2 spells memorized for next day?
Several questions about animal companion.
Seara have limited Intelligence and trick called "Seek". I'd like to use her as "Scout" - send her up to sky and about half a mile circle around fort, so she return to me as soon as she detects any human or horse.
1) What DC would it for me, to make her perform this trick in morning?
2) How it will affect, if I cast "speak with animals" (or ask gnome to do that)...
3) There is no DC for "Hide" trick as well, so how can I make her hide behind something or I can use "Stay" for that?
Sorry for amount of questions, I'm playing Druid first time in my 12+ years of RPG.
@Party, I made an assumption on our tactical placing and stuff. Feel free to correct me if you would like to do it otherwise.
Not sure about the other stuff, or how Brass wants to rule it...
...but regarding Handle Animal...I believe it's normally a DC 10 to get an animal to perform a trick it knows (DC 12 is that animal is injured). To "push" an animal to perform a trick it doesn't know is a DC 25. The DC is the same regardless of the trick...but it is entirely GM discretion how certain tricks are translated by the animal.
Regarding placement. Isla would probably be on the wall to the left of the gate, if allowed. Otherwise she would try and hide behind the gate.
I'm saying yes for the Goodberry, and the DC is 10 as you are using the seek trick.
Do you guys have roll20 accounts?
Yeah, I have one. I won't be able to access it a lot of the time though, because I tend to post from work...and I know they don't support mobile unless you have a paid account.
I do have roll20 paid account, but since I post from work it is firewalled as well. Could we just use google docs for maps?
Yes, I have roll20 and can't move my icon on your map.
I do, but can't post from work there also.
Sorry :(
Edited the map now anyone with the link can edit, and I already resolved the problem I was having so the roll20 thing doesn't matter.
Regarding initiative, are we going to go in exact order or are we going to be doing the initiative block method, where anyone within that block can post?
Oh yeah I meant to talk about this earlier but In order to speed up like many GM's here in the forums I plan to go with combat by blocks:
Block 1 (Players 1,2,3)
Block 2 (Bandits 1,2,3)
Block 3 (Players 4,5)
Block 2 (Bandit Leader)
Players inside the same block act by posting order. I will be rolling average initiative for enemies and normal for you guys.
Mind you that up there is an example, I just used bandits because it's the most common enemy in this campaign. This combat is nearly certainly going to be Players => Bandits
Hey just dropping a quick note - I'll be offline until tomorrow evening. I wish I had time to respond!
Oh, I didn't have time to add this disclaimer last night, but I did want to mention it, since I know it can be hard to read tone without a face to face component.
Isla may be pissed, but on my end as a player, there are no hard feelings nor attempts to actually offend.
No worries... Gelliglee is a bit of a manipulator, and in this case he was trying to get a rise.
This thing still on?
I'm still around and watching for new posts, lol.
Not sure what happened to Brass Legionary. He has stopped posting in the other game we are both in too...
Let's wait.. Sometimes life happens. I am pretty busy in office now and I glad that it's not me blocking you, friends. Still checking thread every morning and evening.