Monk Bloodrager - Ki Rage

Can a monk/bloodrager use a swift action to expend a ki point to get a ki power in a round and then as a free action turn on rage and retain the benefit of expending the ki point?

Also, once raging can the monk/bloodrager expend ki points to get the benefit of ki powers?

The closest discussion I have seen on the boards is here related to monk/barbarians. However, there is no alignment issue with bloodragers.

To me the analysis rests on the rule:

While bloodraging, a bloodrager cannot use any Charisma-, Dexterity-, or
Intelligence-based skills (except Acrobatics, Fly, Intimidate,
and Ride) or any ability that requires patience or concentration.

So, does expending a ki point and using the ki power require "patience or concentration"?

Depend on your Dm point of view on Ki, usually Ki if we go by pop culture martial artists in movies/films/books and other media, do indeed require patience and concentration to harness their chi.

In general, I would be part of the Dm who thinks that using Ki requires patience and concentration, but pretty sure you will get a wide variety of answers.

Are Ki Powers spells?

How long do Ki Powers take to activate?

Do Ki Powers require concentration checks?

Are Ki Powers spells?

How long do Ki Powers take to activate?

Do Ki Powers require concentration checks?

No.

Minor correction, some Ki Powers are SLAs, so you couldn't use those in Rage.

You can absolutely do this, completely rules-legally. You can spend Ki points while raging, if you're in the mood to.

Minor correction, some Ki Powers are SLAs, so you couldn't use those in Rage.

True.

That's why I mentioned "spells".

I'm pretty sure you can use SLAs during rage. Isn't that how the Barbarian/Scarred witchdoctor build works?

EDIT: Nevermind, those are SU not SLA.