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If I am spending prestige points to purchase an item, can I choose ANY society-legal item within the gp limit, or only those from the "always available list" and the chronicle sheets I've collected?
I got an adventure's any-tool a couple games back with my prestige, and now I'm wondering if it was legal to have done so at all.
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I've read it. It doesn't seem to say that you are limited to those lists when obtaining items with prestige points.
Also, if what you say is true, then (insofar as I can tell) there is no method available to obtain anything not on the above mentioned lists. If that's the case, why does the web site bother listing all the items that are legal for play if, in fact, the vast majority of it is never obtainable?
Wouldn't it just be better to use your gold if you're going to be limited to those lists anyways?
750 for 2 PP could mean you could buy a lot of nice things. Like wands.
Also! If I remember correctly your allowed to get anything within your GP limits with it. Which is pretty much everything you can buy worth 750, but I haven't reviewed the chart in a long time.
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Sorry, I miss mis-read/misunderstood what was typed. I took "always available list" meaning "everything in Additional Resources." I apologize for the confusion.
Yep, it is a good purchase item. But I would buy it with gold rather than prestige points.
I use my pp for wands of first level spells. Scrolls with some repeats of level 2 or 3 spells. Or masterwork composite strength bow. Things at or near the 750 gp mark.
You can also save them for a raise dead.
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Yep, it is a good purchase item. But I would buy it with gold rather than prestige points.I thought the only stuff you could purchase with gold had to be on your chronicle sheets or on that low-level, always available list.
A character’s Fame score determines the maximum gp value of any items she can purchase from her faction, as detailed in Table 5–3 below. The character must still actually spend the gold to receive the desired item. For double weapons, calculate the cost of each end separately when considering Fame purchasing limits.
See page 25 of the Organized Play Guide.
Dealing with gold purchases the 3 way to gain access to items to but is:
1: Be always available (and from a legal source)
3: Be worth less than the maximum item value on the fame and item purchases table 5-3 (pg 25) (and from a legal source)
2: Be on a chronicle sheet
You can also acquire any legal 150- gp item by spending 1 prestiege or any legal 759- gp item by spending 2 prestiege.
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Fame only limits what I can purchase FROM MY FACTION. Wouldn't I just use the gp limits of whatever settlement I'm in otherwise?
Nope. It's one of those PFS house rules that really has no in-game justification. Like the fact that a single item found in the scenario magically multiplies into enough items to go round once it is on the chronicle sheet.
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I would like to point out, that we had this same conversation regarding fame limited item purchases last year, here.
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But it doesn't even say that! How could I not be confused if the rules say one thing, but really mean another?
Rules are stated pretty clearly:
The Rules (from Page 23 of the 'Guide To Pathfinder Society Organized Play'):
You may always purchase the following items or
equipment so long as you’re in an appropriately sized
settlement (see above).
6 of the Core Rulebook, including Small and Large-sized
items. This does not include equipment made from
dragonhide, but it does include equipment made from
the other special materials, such as alchemical silver
and cold iron (see the Special Materials section on
page 154 of the Core Rulebook). All mundane (completely
nonmagical) weapons, armor, equipment, and
alchemical gear found in any other source that is legal
for play are considered always available.
• +1 weapons (2,000 gp + 300 for the masterwork weapon
cost + item cost)
• +1 armor (1,000 gp + 150 for the masterwork armor cost
+ item cost)
• +1 shields (1,000 gp + 150 for the masterwork armor
cost + item cost)
• Potions and oils of 0- or 1st-level spells at caster level
1st (50 gp or less)
• Scrolls of 0- or 1st-level spells at caster level 1 (50 gp
or less)
• Wayfinder (50% discount—250 gp; see page 299 of The
Inner Sea World Guide)
Beyond the gear noted above, your character is restricted
to purchasing additional items from his accumulated
Chronicle sheets, or by capitalizing on his fame. Weapons,
armor, equipment, magic items and so on that are outside
of these lists are not available for purchase at any time.
Basically:
- If it's on the 'Always Available' list, you can probably pick it up in any bazaar of reasonable size if you have the cold hard cash.
- If it appears on a chronicle sheet, that means you actually found one at some point and kept it. Yes, the logic behind this is not quite air-tight (item sizes can change, consumables can always be refilled, and everyone in your party (heck, in the entire society) could have the same unique item), but it keeps things running smoothly.
- If it's not on a chronicle sheet or the 'Always Available' list, you'll need to get it through the PFS, which means either calling in favors to get a minor item for free (spending PP) or just having a good enough reputation that the society will sell it to you (spending GP within the limit set by your Fame).
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RavingDork, the way I've started looking at it (for in game perspective): +2 flaming great axes and Cloak of resistance +4 exist in Golarion. But if your character has never seen one, they wouldn't know such items exist. If you find one on a mission, while you might not want to buy it then, you at least now know that they exist and can ask for one in the future if you wish to buy it.
As you get more famous in the Society, and your missions start being written in the Pathfinder Chronicles, faction members start to know your exploration/combat styles and suggest items that you might like to buy. Without their suggestions, again you don't know that the items exist.
That's how I've chose to view items on chronicle sheets and the Fame cap limit on gold.
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I think it's more an issue of knowing who to ask.
The Always Available items are available at the local Gol-Mart. The more fancy magic items are not. Even if you have the money, you have to find someone who's got what you want and will be willing to sell it to you.
Your faction Fame represents how plugged in you are. Your Sczarni contacts "know a guy who knows a guy who killed a guy with a +2 Vicious Dagger." Your sterling reputation within the Silver Crusade might grant you a you +1 Holy Longsword from their armory in exchange for a healthy donation to a local charity. Etc.
The Always Available items are available at the local Gol-Mart.
The local go-marts must have fallen on hard times... I blame their business practices.
Easier to pretend their is no fluff to back it than make up whatever we want, imo. Otherwise you run into other weird logic. Like why I can't raise my fame by spreading rumors, go to a bigger town, look myself, etc.
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The Always Available items are available at the local Gol-Mart.Easier to pretend their is no fluff to back it than make up whatever we want, imo. Otherwise you run into other weird logic. Like why I can't raise my fame by spreading rumors, go to a bigger town, look myself, etc.
I agree. Some people need in-game justification to maintain verisimilitude. I was just offering one approach.
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Otherwise you run into other weird logic.
Like how any random schmuck with a sack of platinum can grab a suit of +1 adamantine full plate off the shelf, but the cashier needs to have heard good things about you already before he'll make an exception and let you buy the cure moderate wounds potions he keeps in the back.
But it doesn't even say that! How could I not be confused if the rules say one thing, but really mean another?You're going to be asking yourself that a lot. The society rules are very intent heavy and RAW light.
I thought it worked the other way around to be honest...
Otherwise you run into other weird logic.Like how any random schmuck with a sack of platinum can grab a suit of +1 adamantine full plate off the shelf, but the cashier needs to have heard good things about you already before he'll make an exception and let you buy the cure moderate wounds potions he keeps in the back.
Maybe its just too much work to find the little 2 inch vial, but that plate armor is pretty big and obvious? Are you famous enough yet for someone to spend their day looking for a specific 2 inch vial for you?
And for clarification, is it 1 or 2 PP to get a 1st level wand (CLW)?
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GENERIC PRESTIGE AWARDS
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Free purchase up to 150 gp3 1 PP
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Free purchase up to 750 gp3 2 PP
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3 Once per session, you can acquire any single item of
this cost or less from your faction by spending the
appropriate number of Prestige Points. Items purchased
this way are worth 0 gp and cannot be sold.
A fully-charged wand of a 1st level spell, caster level 1 costs 750 gp.