OK I know I'm being stupid but... Some slang I don't understand

What is YMMV? Try finding it on the web and you get "Your Mileage May Very"

When used here in the forum what does YMMV mean?

It means "your mileage may vary". Or "your kilometerage may vary". Basically, your experience may differ from those of the person who wrote the acronym.

I think it boils down to "what works for you may not work for other, and vice versa", but I'm not 100% sure.

AFAIK *wink* same thing.

AFAIK = As Far As I Know

Ok I understand better now thanks.

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What is YMMV? Try finding it on the web and you get "Your Mileage May Very"

When used here in the forum what does YMMV mean?

YMMV because not everyone sees things in the same way?

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#totallyagreewiththatguy

Using internet slang in real conversation bugs the crap out of me.

This is also true of WoW slang slammed into a conversation about Tabletop RPGs.

Worse, is when asked to discontinue the inappropriate slang use, the same individuals will often get offended, and accuse me of being ignorant, and state that "everyone uses it".

Bullsh*t.

Jacob Saltband wrote:

What is YMMV? Try finding it on the web and you get "Your Mileage May Very"

When used here in the forum what does YMMV mean?

YMMV because not everyone sees things in the same way?

http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/YMMV/Pathfinder

Your link amused me so, especially:

Hilarious in Hindsight:

- Sarenrae's holy symbol features what would latter become Dark Souls's "Praise the Sun" gesture.
- Zon-Kuthon's origin story is in several aspects a Darker and Edgier version of Nightmare Moon's

YMMV = your mileage may vary. It started decades ago when people were talking about cars; quite literally, the mileage may vary between two cars based on driving styles and road conditions.

Here's the etymology of the phrasae:

In the United States, the Environmental Protection Agency requires a set of standard emissions tests on all new vehicles which simulate city and highway driving. Part of the test measures estimated city and highway gas mileage estimates. Since no test can exactly simulate all driving habits and conditions, actual gas mileage of each vehicle will vary. As a result, when these estimated mileage claims from automobile manufacturers appear in advertisements, they are almost always accompanied with the standard disclaimer "your mileage may vary."

It has since been used in situations that don't specifically mean cars, but anything where something may differ between people based on habit and other varying characteristics.

In terms of Pathfinder, it usually means, "Here's how I play, you can try it this way too, but you may get different results."

Edit: I got rid of a sarcastic sentence, as I think it may have been too insulting. :(

Using internet slang in real conversation bugs the crap out of me.

This is also true of WoW slang slammed into a conversation about Tabletop RPGs.

Worse, is when asked to discontinue the inappropriate slang use, the same individuals will often get offended, and accuse me of being ignorant, and state that "everyone uses it".

Bullsh*t.

Tooooouchy.

blackbloodtroll wrote:

Using internet slang in real conversation bugs the crap out of me.

This is also true of WoW slang slammed into a conversation about Tabletop RPGs.

Worse, is when asked to discontinue the inappropriate slang use, the same individuals will often get offended, and accuse me of being ignorant, and state that "everyone uses it".

Bullsh*t.

Tooooouchy.

I suppose bad experience has strengthened my distaste of this behavior.

Orthos wrote:

blackbloodtroll wrote:

Using internet slang in real conversation bugs the crap out of me.

This is also true of WoW slang slammed into a conversation about Tabletop RPGs.

Worse, is when asked to discontinue the inappropriate slang use, the same individuals will often get offended, and accuse me of being ignorant, and state that "everyone uses it".

Bullsh*t.

Tooooouchy.

I suppose bad experience has strengthened my distaste of this behavior.

I'm pretty sure most, if not all, of us have as many "bad" experiences of slang use as you have BBT, so don't blame your attitude on that.

Also consider that language changes over time. New words are made up and old words have their definitions changed. This is usually done through slang. Language is not static.

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MNGOORAPUDIS

I was not aware that my distaste of the bad behavior of others was a sign of a bad attitude of mine.

That confuses me, but I suppose I will accept the possibility of it being seen that way.

It's the implication that this is bad behavior, and not an overreaction on your part, that implies bad attitude.

I was not aware that my distaste of the bad behavior of others was a sign of a bad attitude of mine.

That confuses me, but I suppose I will accept the possibility of it being seen that way.

Perhaps this will help BBT.

Most of us don't consider the use of slang to be "bad behavior of others." For most of us it goes into the category of "annoyance" at worst or "interesting" at best.

Let's put it this way. I'm putting myself in the shoes of your fellow players. I use a term that I, and several people I regularly spend time with, use to describe a scenario. That term happens to come from video gaming/MMO culture, though it likely had an earlier origin that's what mostly popularized it.

Then all of a sudden I get the third degree from another guy at the table about how that term doesn't belong here and I should stop using it. Suddenly declaring himself the Speech Police and deciding what I can and cannot say. When I try to inform the guy that this is how I and my friends have always described this event/situation, he gets mad at me.

Damn right I'm gonna be offended.

blackbloodtroll wrote:

I was not aware that my distaste of the bad behavior of others was a sign of a bad attitude of mine.

That confuses me, but I suppose I will accept the possibility of it being seen that way.

Perhaps this will help BBT.

Most of us don't consider the use of slang to be "bad behavior of others."

No, as I said, the inappropriate response of overt offense, and declaration that those who do not understand, or find the usage inapplicable to the subject, as I sign of ignorance, or stupidity.

That is bad behavior.

LFM PFS Grp NEED DPS KK THX IDK my BFF Rose ALSO NO ROGUES THX

LFM PFS Grp NEED DPS KK THX IDK my BFF Rose ALSO NO ROGUES THX

Dang rogue bigots. I hate em!

Using internet slang in real conversation bugs the crap out of me.

This is also true of WoW slang slammed into a conversation about Tabletop RPGs.

Worse, is when asked to discontinue the inappropriate slang use, the same individuals will often get offended, and accuse me of being ignorant, and state that "everyone uses it".

Bullsh*t.

I hate it when people refer to their TTRPG PC's as "toons," they are NOT toons. That should be kept strictly to MMORPGs and never enter into any conversation about characters played with pen, paper, and dice.

why are they not toons?

why are they not toons?

Because your peanut butter stinks and messes up my chocolate you dirty peanut butter bigot!

LFM PFS Grp NEED DPS KK THX IDK my BFF Rose ALSO NO ROGUES THX

I think you mean rouges :P

LFM PFS Grp NEED DPS KK THX IDK my BFF Rose ALSO NO ROUGES THX

FTFY

Curses, ninjaed!

Lamontius wrote:

LFM PFS Grp NEED DPR KK THX IDK my BFF Rose ALSO NO ROUGES THX

FTFY

FTFY2

why are they not toons?

Toons refers to the cartoonish nature of how the characters in WoW (in particular) look. People started calling their characters on the MMORPG "toons" and for some reason - I have no idea why - some people have carried over the moniker to PF and other TTRPGs. These should be referred to as PC's, Player Characters, or Characters. They are not cartoons in any sense of the word.

why are they not toons?

Why are they not starters, with proper natures, high IVs, and properly EV trained?

Lamontius wrote:

why are they not toons?

Toons refers to the cartoonish nature of how the characters in WoW (in particular) look. People started calling their characters on the MMORPG "toons" and for some reason - I have no idea why - some people have carried over the moniker to PF and other TTRPGs. These should be referred to as PC's, Player Characters, or Characters. They are not cartoons in any sense of the word.

So nerd, is it your opinion that using the term "toon" automatically means the person has some sort of predisposition to treat their characters differently than you do?

Is it proof of some sort of MMORPG "taint"?

Would it bother you if someone called them "avatars" or "alts?"

Lamontius wrote:

why are they not toons?

Why are they not starters, with proper natures, high IVs, and properly EV trained?

Is this like a thing where one geek culture thing like looks down on another geek culture thing because of perceived hierarchy or where one thing is more OG than another because it has been around longer?

Is this where I like go lol furries or point at cosplayers and laugh while simultaneously trying to bring credibility to TTRPGs but basically going whatevs MMORPGs you're for babies and wasters?

ub3r_n3rd wrote:

Lamontius wrote:

why are they not toons?

Toons refers to the cartoonish nature of how the characters in WoW (in particular) look. People started calling their characters on the MMORPG "toons" and for some reason - I have no idea why - some people have carried over the moniker to PF and other TTRPGs. These should be referred to as PC's, Player Characters, or Characters. They are not cartoons in any sense of the word.

So nerd, is it your opinion that using the term "toon" automatically means the person has some sort of predisposition to treat their characters differently than you do?

Is it proof of some sort of MMORPG "taint"?

Would it bother you if someone called them "avatars" or "alts?"

Toons - Should be specific to games where the character actually look like cartoons (such as in WoW). I feel that it's just laziness on the part of the individuals who move from MMORPGs to TTRPGs to call their characters by this moniker, because they are so used to the MMORPG way of referring to the character. I've been playing/GM'ing for well over a decade, I've also played MMORPGs and I never refer to my characters in either as something from the other.

Avatars - I reserve for actual avatars in the game world where a deity has taken the form of a mortal to visit the prime material plane.

Alts - Unless you have a game where you are playing more than one PC, I have no idea why anyone would use this terminology. If you are playing two different PF campaigns one character isn't your "main" and the other isn't your "alt." Now you could roll up additional PC's and have an "alt" if your current PC dies.

Lamontius, I have been talking about the "geek hierarchy" for decades, and I think you are dead on.

Adamantine Dragon wrote:

ub3r_n3rd wrote:

Lamontius wrote:

why are they not toons?

Toons refers to the cartoonish nature of how the characters in WoW (in particular) look. People started calling their characters on the MMORPG "toons" and for some reason - I have no idea why - some people have carried over the moniker to PF and other TTRPGs. These should be referred to as PC's, Player Characters, or Characters. They are not cartoons in any sense of the word.

So nerd, is it your opinion that using the term "toon" automatically means the person has some sort of predisposition to treat their characters differently than you do?

Is it proof of some sort of MMORPG "taint"?

Would it bother you if someone called them "avatars" or "alts?"

Toons - Should be specific to games where the character actually look like cartoons (such as in WoW). I feel that it's just laziness on the part of the individuals who move from MMORPGs to TTRPGs to call their characters by this moniker, because they are so used to the MMORPG way of referring to the character. I've been playing/GM'ing for well over a decade, I've also played MMORPGs and I never refer to my characters in either as something from the other.

Avatars - I reserve for actual avatars in the game world where a deity has taken the form of a mortal to visit the prime material plane.

Alts - Unless you have a game where you are playing more than one PC, I have no idea why anyone would use this terminology. If you are playing two different PF campaigns one character isn't your "main" and the other isn't your "alt." Now you could roll up additional PC's and have an "alt" if your current PC dies.

And I, on the other hand, don't treat casual conversation as if it is a legally binding document.

Call 'em toons if you like. I don't care. I only care how you play them.

Calling people names is inappropriate behavior.

Not liking the usage of unassociated slang is not some sign of bad behavior.

Being overtly defensive about the dislike of of unassociated slang, and attacking those who would prefer the usage of associated slang is bad behavior.

Uhm,
Is it ok if I call my cartoon character in TOON the RPG, a Toon? Or are we so far down the 'must be politically correct' road that we have to be stupid about stuff?

Glances at Washington DC, then skims a few threads on here

Ooops, sorry, my bad. Common sense withdrawn, continuing flaming away over who is more PC than the other.

Calling people names is inappropriate behavior.

Not liking the usage of unassociated slang is not some sign of bad behavior.

Being overtly defensive about the dislike of of unassociated slang, and attacking those who would prefer the usage of associated slang is bad behavior.

You know BBT, the more you look for "bad behavior" the more of it you are gonna find...

I guess you can call it a pet peeve of mine, just like I hate when people say "your" when they mean "you're" or "you are," this is not a "legally binding document" AD, just proper grammar is closer to how I view it. Yes, people should just have fun and play their characters however they want, but try to refer to things in the correct manner is all.

Lamontius, I have been talking about the "geek hierarchy" for decades, and I think you are dead on.

That sounds like an excuse to repost this, which many of you have probably already seen before.

I guess you can call it a pet peeve of mine, just like I hate when people say "your" when they mean "you're" or "you are," this is not a "legally binding document" AD, just proper grammar is closer to how I view it. Yes, people should just have fun and play their characters however they want, but try to refer to things in the correct manner is all.

I just try to separate the little stuff from the big stuff nerd.

And in the end it's pretty much all little stuff.

Most of my grief comes from treating little stuff like big stuff.

Well this got interesting quickly.

*casts Summon Popcorn III*

ub3r_n3rd wrote:

I guess you can call it a pet peeve of mine, just like I hate when people say "your" when they mean "you're" or "you are," this is not a "legally binding document" AD, just proper grammar is closer to how I view it. Yes, people should just have fun and play their characters however they want, but try to refer to things in the correct manner is all.

I just try to separate the little stuff from the big stuff nerd.

And in the end it's pretty much all little stuff.

Most of my grief comes from treating little stuff like big stuff.

Oh it wasn't my intent in the least bit to blow this up at all, I've kept it very civil and explained why the reference from one bugs me a little bit when it is referred to as the other. To each their own though, I am not going to go nerd raging over something so trivial as someone being lazy or misinformed.

Avatars - I reserve for actual avatars in the game world where a deity has taken the form of a mortal to visit the prime material plane.

They're vessels for the exercise of the will of a higher being within a subcreation. How are they not avatars?

So, the preference of not using non-associated slang makes one a stupid, pretentious, neck-bearded nerd?

Pointing out that overreaction and name-calling is bad behavior, is bad behavior within itself?

I have no illusions that one hobby is superior to another, but that they are indeed separate things, and would prefer they be treated as such.

Also, why does this subject require attacking others?

I believe my responses to be within a certain level of civility, and hoped that others would do the same.

ub3r_n3rd wrote:

Avatars - I reserve for actual avatars in the game world where a deity has taken the form of a mortal to visit the prime material plane.

They're vessels for the exercise of the will of a higher being within a subcreation. How are they not avatars?

It's all a matter of context. In TTRPG's avatars are explained to be Gods/Deities assuming mortal form to walk amongst the populations. Unless you are playing an immortal character coming to the prime material plane, your PC is most assuredly not an avatar by that definition.

Unless YOU (in RL) are an immortal god, your character isn't an avatar :P

In internet terms an avatar most often is a representation of you (as in a picture).

But, as I stated it's just a pet peeve of mine, so my opinion only holds whatever weight you give it on these boards. I won't get upset if you don't agree with me because we can't all agree on everything, it's just human nature.

I'm perplexed by how this got moved to "Website Feedback".

Nerd, BBT and whomever else gets irritated by the use of "toon":

I understand where you are coming from. And as a technical person trained in the hard sciences I appreciate precision as much as the next person.

I just don't see any reason to make an issue of something like someone calling their PC a "toon". That's all.

Of course I once played World of Warcraft and enjoyed the heck out of it, so I guess that taints my opinion.

Even so, I've never yet had this conversation:

"Hey, look at my toon!"
"What do you mean 'toon'?"
"What are you some sort of illiterate goob? Everyone knows what a 'toon' is you moron! Where do you live, a cave?"

But apparently some of you have.

Which is weird to me since it is so absurdly far out of my own experience.

I'm perplexed by how this got moved to "Website Feedback".

Nerd, BBT and whomever else gets irritated by the use of "toon":

I understand where you are coming from. And as a technical person trained in the hard sciences I appreciate precision as much as the next person.

I just don't see any reason to make an issue of something like someone calling their PC a "toon". That's all.

Of course I once played World of Warcraft and enjoyed the heck out of it, so I guess that taints my opinion.

Even so, I've never yet had this conversation:

"Hey, look at my toon!"
"What do you mean 'toon'?"
"What are you some sort of illiterate goob? Everyone knows what a 'toon' is you moron! Where do you live, a cave?"

But apparently some of you have.

Which is weird to me since it is so absurdly far out of my own experience.

That's probably because you live in a cave.

Compared to imagined people whose entire existence fits on a double sided sheet of paper, yes, I am a god.

Compared to them I am functionally immortal. I can, if I want to enough to write a campaign, game at any point from the creation of the first life on Golarion to the day Rovagug finally gets out and devours the place. I can do so in any order without regard to chronology or causality.

If they had a sort of reality they would see only the veil of illusion I sit behind.

I am as far above my fictional creations as almighty God is above me. If avatar isn't the right term for the relationship I don't know what is.