Nothing at the moment. Is there anything wrong with just posting anything we may want to buy?
if it is regular gear no problem... but if it is a magic item, please PM so I can see if it can be had at this time.
I want a mithral Breastplate, as I said in the previous post. Is it available? Can we get a better price in Donnagin's +1 Breastplate by using it as a payment for the mithral?
I have no problem with sending a PM, but I'm just curious why you would prefer that instead of posting in gameplay or discussion.
Can you cast that levitate at will already Eryan?
We are level 5 so yea. Levitate, featherfall etc.
We could tie a long rope in you, then you levitate over the tree's cover and we drag you along, providing us with a nice vision from above of where the stone spire is. ^_^
Hi everyone ill be travelling for the next few days so my posting ability will be sparse
Well, enjoy!
to answer lil's question... mostly to help me organize things. Sorry about my absence. my buddy invited me to his campsite to perform a concert and he said he had internet readily available but nurp... so I couldn't connect very often and post was almost impossible.
You should really look into the Undead Master feat Lil, if you have't already..
It's the next feat on my list.
@Vlad/Everybody - Eryan has seemed to disappear from the boards. He was playing in my homebrew campaign and disappeared there as well, so I lurked around his campaigns and he hasn't posted under any alias recently. I'm not sure what happened.
Well i say we bot him for a bit longer.. Perhaps he will return.. Ill run him if the gm wants..
Indeed he's missing. When we started this thread and missed him I sent a message and he showed up, but I sent him another message several days ago and he haven't shown up yet. I fear for the worst but do not mind if we have to run him for some time.
If you guys want a copy of the Crit rules PM me your email address and then I will email them to you.
I'm starting to like those Laying to Waste rules ^_^
Question: in case I didn't have passed the DC, it would leave me flat-footed. But I cannot be flat-footed since I have Uncanny dodge, so, does my special ability applies to make me immune to that effect?
Ok we're typing entire paragraphs OOC in gameplay, I believe it's time to move the discussion into, well, discussion.
The level could by my problem, however as I interpreted it not every party going through this AP progresses at the same rate. There are specific XP rewards for specific tasks, and during the end of book 1 the party was not exactly very efficient in XP farming, leaving them just shy of level 6. If the adventure path would have said "at this point they level up" I would have gladly gone with that option, that's actually how I run my homebrew games. But the AP seemed to run off of actual XP so I went with the numerical values given.
I do agree with much of what Kharn said, the treants seem to be getting some unrealistic buffs. "A rock flies from off map and strikes you, you have no idea where it came from" seems very crude and unfair. It wasn't until we mentioned it that you even entertained the idea that the treant throwing rocks could become a target.
Also I should probably ask this, but when it says What's Going On for a critical severity does that mean that Kharn forgets everything about being a person, or just what the heck he was doing in that place? Because if it is the latter then Kharn might have to change his action.
Mostly because it was 180 feet away. No one really mentioned what they wanted to do to it. I knew the group was just shy of 6th level and read the module and figured it fair game with the 5 members of the group. Fine, the being able to animate one tree while throwing a rock may have been questionable. But sheesh... the complaints started before I even made a mistake... And then even when I didn't make one yet it is complained that I did.
My immediate reaction to being hit by a rock was trying to locate the source.
I'm not trying to be mean or harsh here, but as I see it combat is being run in a very confusing manner. A little mistake like an opponent 3 CRs us getting an extra attack is a very big difference in the fight. And summoning an extra CR 8.
I also don't like the crit rules we're using, they're extremely chaotic and deadly. But that's just a preference thing on my part.
However I do blame Vlad for literally going "We're evil, what you gonna do about it?" The party's ego about their abilities has been a little inflated in that regard where they believe that anything shy of a big important boss battle isn't even a threat to them.
Kharn doesn't believe that his egos inflated! Well at least I don't think he believes that. Does he believe that?
The rogue has 18 strength. The party is well optimized and does massive amounts of damage. I had to buff about every encounter you ran into just to make it somewhat of a challenge. Havelyn for instance I gave about another 10000gp of equipment and some stat increases to. Even then the party ripped through him pretty quick.
Who's Havelyn? Did we really 'rip' through him? I think that's a pretty bad thing to do, and I don't think I would do something that bad. Mitra would never forgive me.
Lord Havelyn. The paladin. The biggest, more important, most deadly enemy you had in book 1.
I'm going to go take a sponge bath to get rid of that dripping sarcasm.
I don't remember him, but to be honest I don't remember much of anything including why I am even here. Should I even be here? Where is here exactly? (At this point I feel i should point out that this is more RP than sarcasm. Also i have to say I am loving the idea of Kharn having absolutely no clue what he is even doing.)
Cool, it says your memory is erased so I would think you have amnesia. Sorry, I had to work for the last three hours.
The main treant is CR8, his minions are more like CR5 or 6. The Crit rules are designed to kick up the drama and add to RP. The better your char becomes the less likely you would fumble.
Kharn you only had 6 hours of memeory earsed, not you entire life.. You may not rmember why your in this place, but you would remember who you are and who we are..
The is no CR 5 with 100+ hps and +17 to hit btw.. The animated ones are -1 CR due to lacking the extra slam but thats it.. A CR 8 and 3 CR 7's is over a CR 11 encounter.. Us being tough has nothing to do with this being over a boss level encounter.. It was certainly not put into the module as a potential TPK. It was meant to make us burn some resources before reaching the horn..
Well, I really don't mind if you increase the power of the monsters we fight (give it improved critical on thrown rock [yes], extra defense, extra hit point, extra actions, or whatever), and I'll do my best to overcome that challenge.
However, there is not much I can do about it if I don't understand what is happening. If someone is throwing rocks at you, it probably couldn't remain hidden (like the sniper). A treant throwing a rock is certainly going to make a lot of movement, which is easily detectable beside regular trees. Otherwise if we cannot see it for some reason tell us, cause we will try to counter it. Maybe there are other trees in front of it (but then we have cover from her attack).
I thought there was a mage on the woods, throwing magical rocks on us, (cause seriously another treant would certainly be seen, while a small or medium monster could hide from us), and that's why I went after him, but then another three suddenly moves and strikes at me. Me and lil rolled a natural 20 on our perception checks, and still saw nothing.
That's my two cents, cause whether it is 5th or 6th level, CR 10 or 5, I really believe that's not up to me.
Last but not least, when I ask a question I really would like to get an answer, even if it is a "I don't know", in case I will research it. I know it takes you a lot of time to GM this, and I'm grateful for the effort, but, you know, I cannot keep up if I don't understand what is happening.
The rogue has 21 strength.
Ok, now it looks better. ^_^
Your memory is erased for six hours. Its amnesia fixeable with a dc 30 heal check or 6 hours time.
This is a boss fight ending section 1 of module 2. By the by
I see.. Well then we're boned then i guess.. There's no way Vlad downs them both with no healing..
EDIT: A boss fight indeed.. 4 Treants vs 5th level group.. Thats not a boss fight, its a no-win fight..
Actually just kill the one treat that is animating trees and then the rest die. So if we had ignored the trees that had been uprooting themselves we probably could have bum rushed the big one.
Well thats what im gonna try and do but even with a 30 AC it still has a decent chance to hit me.. Eryan literally has nothing he can do but heal.. I dunno abt Lil..
Unfortunately plant traits make them immune to many of my more potent spells. I've already used my burning hands and my buff spells. Limp lash and ghoul touch are both useless because they are paralysis effects. I tried blindness, but he saved. I could try ray of exhaustion, but that's also a fort save. Ray of enfeeblement could be a slight debuff. My next plan is to use grease to knock the leader prone, although the fight is so confusing and I can't find the map so I'm not even sure which one the leader is.
I am asking now... what are you all confused about? Or what do you need clarified?
Having the map at the top could be nice, or at least link it in every post. Some tracking so we know which opponent is which. Formatting of combat posts to be a little clearer.
Says the character who doesn't have their stats listed easily for me to find... hrmphhh ;)
Well, I write who is doing what to whom... the rolls and whether it hits plus the damage, I also summarize what happens. Lil, I honestly would expect a little more empathy.
Some points made have been constructive... others have been complaining for complaining's sake...
The leader is not on the map because I didn't have a map big enough to get him on there. Trust me I tried to find one but of course... a map that big makes the characters minute... which probably would have caused another layer of complaints... I am sorry to vent my frustration but what the hay... its par for the course...
Anyway, I guess it is just an adjustment period, you with me and me with you... no big deal.
As long as we dont get mashed to mudholes by large trees.. It would be a rather quick ending to our new relationship..
So, the four players were having a conversation about what is happening (since we know each other and have been playing to gether for almost a year now), and we got to an understanding that this GMing style doesn't really suit us.
We are kinda more detailed and worried with the consequences of actions that we made which aren't usually written in the book, making our life easier or harder according to our own mistakes and efforts, not only because it's already decided by plot. Although we tried to put that clear, the answer we received was not enough to put our fear to rest, so we got to the conclusion that our playing style and your GMing style just do not match.
Furthermore, there are the disagreements which all the four of us seem to be having when trying to interact with the GM, which stir things in ways that can't be simply overcome, so to speak, certainly not in a written pbp format. I'm not saying this is your fault, since I, for instance, I'm certainly a stubborn and disgusting person sometimes, thus I'm just mentioning the the relationship didn't go well. It could be that we could solve the issues if we were speaking face-to-face, but as this is not the case, we better each go our separate ways.
That said, we will be looking for someone with a different style to GM this for us, which, by the way, we may take a long time to find, or never do. Anyway, since we are not having the fun we expected at this, the waiting will not be a problem and we've decided to take our chances on that road.
We thank you for your time and for your efforts on running this, and we regret that things did not go as planned, but well, shit happens, right? So, I hope we have a better experience next time we meet at the boards, and I personally hope each of us learn something from our mistake.
That's all for now, thanks, and see you around.
Well, I have fully admitted to mistakes I have made and have tried to set things right as best as I can.
In all fairness, I feel as though I was never really given a fair shake as GM. I am not a mind reader and well I cannot guess how you are going to react. I took into advisement from Lil at the outset was trying to put together fun RP and a challenging encounter.
I also tried my best not to be snarky or glib in my answers.
Noone really spent any time trying to explain to me how you wanted me to run the game differently. On the real though, I felt that if I could get the group through this encounter we would be able to iron out the bugs. Growing Pains and all that.
Sure one of you guy's posts always came off a bit whiney and fatalistic which puts things off but I digress. I also want to say, that I received a very mean message that insinuated that I somehow manipulated myself to become your GM, which I did not "slide in here".
For the most part I did enjoy the campaign and the interplay between the characters.
Here is some constructive criticism: Try to treat the GM with a little more respect and try not to be confrontational with him or her, because we are all just trying to have fun. I am sad that we couldn't make it work but c'est la vie...
The truth is communication is a two way street or in this case a five or originally a six way street.
My intention here is not to point my finger at anyone or TPK the group or whatever. I can tell that you have misunderstood my last post.
I take FULL responsibility for my actions and I just wish if someone had a problem with my RP style they could have PM'd me and then I could have adjusted it. Because I thought I did that well...
I wish you luck
Ok, so you gave us some constructive criticism, so I'll try to summarize what happened in order for you to try to fix it on your next games.
Well, indeed communication is a multi-way street, but as far as my part goes, I'll tell you what happened. The things I was doing, asking, requesting, were not being answered. At first I thought it was not a problem, that you may had only forgotten or read over it. But then it happened again, and again, and again. It seemed like my tries were being answered by a robot, that said "have you heard about that elf that disappeared in the woods 3 weeks ago?". At first I tried to write the unanswered again, once or twice, but to no avail. Then, in order to try and keep this running smoothly (but also to stop feeling bad for requesting more than its in the book) I stopped bothering you with questions and started just going with it.
For instance, I tried to speak with that knight in town, Hallack, but I got no answer whether if I ever met him, if I learned nothing, or whatever. Link.
I tried to spread rumors in town, aiming to counter the rumors that I considered bad for us, but once again I've got no details if I was successful, failed, or even about how did you want to roll that (whether I would roll or you would in secret). Link.
I wanted to get a Mithral Breastplate (which is NOT a regular item and is more expensive than simple magic items), thus I asked you THREE times about it. Once in the gameplay thread, where I also tried to get a better price of it using a magic item, once more in the discussion, and I even sent you a PM saying that! All I needed was a yes, or no, but got nothing.
In combat, Lil rolled a K.Nature check, and so did I, asking a question that wasn't even supposed to be needed to ask, anyway. After all, the rogue can see if there are critical spots on a monster, so I just asked that so you could tell me instead of going to look on the Treant entry on the srd. Knowing about that control ability would also be nice, if 20 was enough for that, but we got no answer from the knowledge check.
I asked a question about how much experience did we gained on the "hard fought victory" and Balentyne, so I could control our experience, but received once more only silence.
I asked a question about the critical rules, but once again I was talking to myself.
I see a thrown rock critical rolling a 19 (yes I know that now), from a freaking HUGE tree that we cannot see even tough it is constantly throwing rocks at us (penalty for sniping is HUGE, and we got awesome perceptions), and when I move after it the freak comes out of nowhere to strike me (surprise!), hitting me even with a 4 on the dice (If it was a normal CR8 treant it would not have hit me, I suppose - Seriously, why do I even use armor?), then I'm told I needed to move and took an AoO, although I could easily avoid it by simply tumbling (I had decent rolls for it) and would end up still making only 1 attack. You told me I could pass on that 16 damage if I thought you ware being unfair. For the record, yes, you were. Ignoring that damage I would be at 0 hit points, and taking it would get me killed, but you said I was only unconscious.
Then you freaking say "I thought Argan was straight up dead".
Highlights for the "And you aren't having fun? Don't you guys like a challenge?"
Those are the things I can remember for now. So, if you wanted someone to tell you something you need to hear, please try to show them that you are willing to hear that, and answer so they know their efforts won't be in vain.
Good luck.
Str - 8
Dex -
Con -
Int -
Wis - 18
Cha -
-whistles innocently- Feel free to ignore me. Not sure if you guys are actually using this thread or not, but on the off chance that I get in, I want to have the guy all made so I don't slow anything down. (Not actually assuming I'm getting in, I just like doing math and junk for characters, so I'd likely make the guy anyway just for funsies. XD)