Holy schnikies! We'll get ya back up, partner. Dontcha worry!
Yeah, I hope we can get you back up, man. I considered healing you earlier, but I figured with my luck I wouldn't beat the SR. I'm sorry I didn't try.
I didn't think the 2d6 of ranged healing Therena can do would help nearly as much as keeping her staggered. Everybody's dice turned sour that round, I'm afraid.
I'm not sure how the lava got into the create pit spell, however.
The create pit spell was directly under the hag, as she was on the end of the bridge directly over the lava, so when a 30 foot hole opened up, gravity did the rest. Bromen was next to her and at the edge of the pit, so reading the spell: "In addition, the edges of the pit are sloped, and any creature ending its turn on a square adjacent to the pit must make a Reflex saving throw with a +2 bonus to avoid falling into it." Dead bodies don't get saves, so it rolled right into the pit and the lava covered it.
Sorry man....
When Josef first cast create pit, I thought it would drop the hag into the lava, so I looked up the spell description, and I concluded it would not. From an epic story perspective, it makes total sense, but from the description of the spell, it isn't what would happen.
The spell says that it creates an extradimensional space with "coarse stone walls" and that "creatures within the hole rise up with the bottom of the pit" when the spell ends. And it says you can cast this spell on the deck of a ship as easily as in a dungeon or forest, suggesting the same thing would happen regardless of the surface you cast it on - it makes a stone-lined pit, even if it's cast in a place that should drop affected creatures into water (i.e., the ship deck).
I would completely understand if, for story purposes, the pit dropped the hag and Bromen into the lava. But I think a careful reading of the spell suggests otherwise - both of them should be at the bottom of a 20' deep stone shaft surrounded by lava - but not at the level of the lava's surface, because the spell was cast on the bridge. So it's sort of a long stone cup stuck down into the liquid lava, with a few feet of lip showing above the surface, up to the original height of the bridge. Now how long the lava takes to melt the stone walls of the extradimensional space, if such a thing is possible, is another question entirely.
While I'm with Rikar's reading, since the edges of the pit are sloped, I could also see the argument that where the lava is coming from is at the edges of the pit--the sloped edges are right amidst the lava, so the lava WOULD pour down into the pit. Which I think is what Papa was going for--not that the pit drops them into lava, but the lava spills in on top of them.
Personally I would be for whatever makes Bromen's body most retrievable... but that's ultimately between Bromen's player and Papa DRB.
I'm gonna wait for any further clarifications before posting anything.
What Misha wrote is how I envisioned this happening.
The pit opened up, hag failed her save and fell in, Bromen rolled into the pit (no save). At that point with the sloped edges five feet around the pit, the lava from the area, and there is a lot of lava, started flowing into the pit covering Bromen body and working its way up the hag.
After the fall and taking damage, the hag was at exactly 1 HP so the first time the lava struck her she "died". For dramatic affect I gave her a last breath speech before she succumbed to the lava.
Sorry, but Bromen is dead and gone. I've been there in my home game, both as player and dm, and it stinks, but it happens.
-- david
It still seems that the lava would have been several feet below the level of the pit's edge (which would have been even with the level of the bridge), and thus unable to flow into the pit, even with sloped edges, since they slope downward into the pit from the original surface where the spell was targeted.
But I'll leave it be, as it's your world, DRB.
Well, Bromen, bummer. Got any other character ideas you've been dying to try?
Barely feels like we got the character wheels up, but I liked your attention to detail and sticking with hire his history built up his view of the world.
I'm with Rikar, got any thoughts on a new character to run by Papa? I'd hate to lose a good rper.
If we're talking about Bromen's player rolling up a new character... can I just say we are DESPERATE for a ranged character?
One of the main problems this party has had is a chunk of it wanting/needing to charge into melee---in very close quarters fights where there's never room for everyone.
Current party:
- Josef - Fighter 1 / Wizard (transmuter) going Eldritch Knight so always 1 full arcane spell casting level behind.
- Kreig - Rogue.
- Misha - Bard (archeologist) mixed arcane / cleric spells.
- Rikar - Ranger (spell less) with mountain lion companion.
- Therena - Sorcerer 1 / Cleric / Mystic Theurge so always 1/2 level behind in Cleric and 3 levels behind in Sorcerer (more after 14th character level)
So both arcane and cleric spells are covered. Skill monkey is covered. Up front damage is covered (but I gotta get Rikar more armor!).
Anyway, you guys let me know what you want to do. I am open for anything.
-- david
(but I gotta get Rikar more armor)!
This. Oh so very this. I just don't want to lose my sneakiness, always a conflict when playing a melee ranger.
I both DM and play at my house. Myself and another DM alternate weeks. In the previous campaign I DM'd, two of four characters and an animal companion met their death (or wished they were dead) at the hands of the BBEG at the end of Chapter 3 in Kingmaker, and the other two characters just barely got out with their lives. It came down to an initiative roll. Oh, they messed up greatly !!!!
Anyhow, I would no more think of breaking up that group of five of us because of character death than I would break up this group because of character death, so as far as the DM is concerned, submit a new character.
You have Rikar & Kreig vote. I believe that Misha would approve an archer character, so unless Josef or Therena have a very compelling reason for you not to continue you are in, and I assume they don't.
Arcane Archer PrC, Slayer or Hunter from the ACG specializing in bow, and I am sure that their are others are all possibilities.
-- david
One of my players played an arcane archer (ranger/wiz but that's not the only way). Worked well once he decided to focus his spells on buffing his archery---he was a great damage dealer.
(Being very presumptive here of course, if you're thinking replacement because I lost my shot I would totally understand that as well ...)
That's silly. You're not being presumptive at all. It's you we're playing with, your character is just the game piece, albeit a well thought-out and complex one.
You have Rikar & Kreig vote. I believe that Misha would approve an archer character, so unless Josef or Therena have a very compelling reason for you not to continue you are in, and I assume they don't.
I should add, you'd have my vote to play no matter what you played--not gonna say let's kick out a player for a series of crappy die rolls--but I am just noting we have few characters with much of a ranged focus, which would guarantee you a niche that no one else really occupies. I encourage it, but if you decided to play something else I wouldn't throw a hissy fit. Doesn't have to be archer per se either -- you wanna throw fireballs or chairs at monsters, just someone who can stand back and shoot/blast.
It's probably too soon to say such things, but I have to admire how truly unique this is as a status for a character:
》Hit Points (-30)
》Consumed by lava (2,000°)
》Served as "Red-hot n' Stout" smoothie to the earth elemental.... (priceless)
Going over some stuff. From the Campaign Info tab;
Notes on the Tears:
Tear; Bonus; +2 saves vs; Who has it
Green Emerald; +2 wisdom; Conjuration; Therena
Copper; +2 dexterity; Evocation; Kreig
Gold; +2 charisma; Enchantment; Misha
Silver; +2 intelligence (K(history), Learn Athan Secret Tongue; Illusion; ??
The Bonus does not stack with anything, and the Tear is suppressed if the PC has a conflicting item. When a Tear is placed in an extra-dimensional space, the Tear is suppressed.
So who has the +2 intelligence one, since it does not stack with Josef headband.
-- david
We never fully decided but the last possible volunteer that I can find was Kreig:
If it was never handed over IC, Josef should still possess it, he just isn't benefiting from it.
Thought we might pull equipment discussion into OOC for ease. We have a lot of stuff. What follows are MY THOUGHTS and alternate solutions/suggestions are welcome and encouraged.
We found a lot of AC boosters.
I looked at everyone's character sheets to see what they currently have for gear and then thus see who would need/want stuff the most.
I am also aware that Bromen is probably generating a new character and we may have to adjust if he needs something as well.
Therena has an AC of 11 and only an already-owned amulet of Natural Armor +1. I agree with her request of the Bracers and one of the ROP +2s, which would boost her AC to 17.
Josef has the next lowest AC at 14, and no wondrous items yet. I suggest he gets the other ROP +2 AND one of the three amulets of Natural Armor +2, to also raise his AC to 18, better for the switch hit/caster that he is.
Misha's next with AC 18. She could have the second of the three Amulet of Natural Armor +2s to get to AC 20.
Krieg has AC 18/19 (I assume the higher is from a tear?) and no existing Wondrous Items. I suggest he gets the third Amulet +2, to get an AC 20/21.
Finally, Rikar has an AC of 20 and an existing ROP+2. I suggest he get the Mithral Breastplate +1 (he's the only one of us who can currently use it anyway, I think), and the remaining amulet +1, to something like 23.
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Potions:
I say the 4 Cure Serious Wounds: 1 each to Rikar, Krieg, Josef, and me.
The 3 CMW - 1 to Therena, 1 each to Krieg and Rikar.
Lesser Restore -- ??? There are 3. Misha has one from prior loot. Misha could keep these in haversack for anyone to access.
Invisibility - To Krieg (Misha has one.)
Bull's Strength - To Rikar.
Gaseous Form - To one of our scouts, most likely, although maybe to Therena in case she needs to escape to come back and heal us later. ;)
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Scrolls: Josef should probably get Fireball and Dimension Door to Scribe. Maybe also one of the Dispel Magics.
Therena has asked for Heal, Neutralize Poison, and Restoration. Which is fine with me (but for the record, Neutralize Poison is also on the bard list).
Misha would like one of the Dispel Magics if possible. Bear in mind also, beyond whatever's on the bard list (Neut Poison and Dim Door I think), Misha has Use Magic Device trained, and can backup heal/cast from these if someone goes down. I think it's still better the primary casters probably have most of these but just to bear in mind.
Bear's Endurance - I don't know.
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Ring of Minor Fire Resistance - I'd suggest maybe to Krieg or Josef, who don't have a lot of Wondrous Gear, at least from what I saw (and fire resistance would be good for both).
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+2 Whip -- Anybody proficient in Whip besides me? Otherwise, hopefully Misha can have this.
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Box of Holding -- neat idea. We have to carry it though, as I don't think we can put it in Josef's bag or Misha's haversack. :) Anyone want to carry it?
This looks like a fine distribution, with two thoughts I'd add:
As a front-line combatant, Latys could use an amulet of natural armor as well, though her AC is decent at the moment. But maybe we can reserve the next one for her, or agree that we'll buy one?
Since she didn't get any magic this time around, I think Latys should get the whip. I'm pretty sure that's who DRB had in mind for it. ;P
p.s. - thanks for putting the time in to sort this out.
Since she didn't get any magic this time around, I think Latys should get the whip. I'm pretty sure that's who DRB had in mind for it. ;P
don't tempt me !!!! lol
I am also aware that Bromen is probably generating a new character and we may have to adjust if he needs something as well.
He won't need you to save anything for him.
-- david
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Looks good to me.
I cant wear medium armor and cast just yet. Eventually Josef is gonna want heavy but thats a ways off.
I plan on scribing whenever possible, since once I start taking eldritch knight, no more free 2 spells/level, sadly.
That will most likely be CL 8, allowing me to get wiz 6 and the goodies therein.
I'm good with the distribution. Nice work Misha. As for the box, unless Latys has a hidden feat (i.e. Puma of Muling), we may have to leave that behind.
This looks like a fine distribution, with two thoughts I'd add:
As a front-line combatant, Latys could use an amulet of natural armor as well, though her AC is decent at the moment. But maybe we can reserve the next one for her, or agree that we'll buy one?
Since you're getting a nice AC boost from the armor, you could also just give her your own. Although--does she have an existing natural armor bonus? Would the amulet stack?
Since she didn't get any magic this time around, I think Latys should get the whip. I'm pretty sure that's who DRB had in mind for it. ;P
Do we give her a chair too? Latys, the Rikar tamer!
ETA: Added whip and amulet to my charsheet. Not added potions, etc. yet.
Also, how much does the box weigh? If nothing, it would be worth a nice amount if we took it back to be sold.
On the outside, the box is 12 inches wide, by 18 inches long, by 12 inches deep and weights 25 pounds. On the inside, look at Bag of Holding Type II for carrying capacity and carrying weight.
The 8 pouches, 5 with a brownish stain on them, have not been opened yet. Also, after distribution (nice job Misha!), what are youse guys going to do?
Let the dwarves know Bromen is dead?
Explore some more?
Something else?
The 8 pouches, 5 with a brownish stain on them, have not been opened yet.
Rikar and Latys checked one of them out in this post.
The 8 pouches, 5 with a brownish stain on them, have not been opened yet.Rikar and Latys checked one of them out in this post.
Ah, apologies. Read right passed it.
Hey gang. I'm off on vacation celebrating our 12th anniversary. I've got Internet so I'm keep up as I can, but bot me as needed.
Sorry for the absence. Closed up the camper this past weekend, and it was damn cold and rainy. Then getting our life back in order at home after essentially being gone for 4 months, and my son is getting married this coming weekend and we will have out of town guests, so my "honey-do" list got real long. Also, we are taking our grand daughter to the Bronx Zoo on Tuesday of next week, so I am suspending posting till Wednesday October 15th and will pick back up then.
-- david
Camper closed --- check
Pre wedding chores done --- check (mostly)
Pre "out-of-town" family chores done --- check (mostly)
Son married --- check
Collected money for cancer walk --- check
Welcomed new boss at hospital --- check
Took grand daughter to Bronx Zoo --- check
Fell into bed exhausted Tuesday night --- Priceless !!!
Will have a post out later today.
Son married --- check
Congrats on all of it, but especially this item!
Congratulations sir. Always good to see the joy. Get some good rest and we'll look forward to what you've got in store for us.
Rock on!
As you head back to the outside, you run into a human heading up the mountain. He hails you as you leave the cave entrance on the mine level.
Surprisingly crazy day at work today, will get something up later this afternoon...
Ugh, RL. Sorry for the delay (again). Wasn't sure if you guys wanted to rp the evening's festivities? Our new archer laid out a nice backstory, I also wanted to lay out some of Kreig's past too. Anyone want to have a quick rp not assuming the DM is cool with it and anyone else is biting.
I wouldn't mind the chance for some RP before we continue on.
Also, on the note of buying and selling --
I don't have a full list of our treasure in front of me, but I've realized I still have the studded leather armor +1 we found awhile ago that I don't think anyone wants/needs. We should sell/trade that to the dwarves. I also feel like we probably aren't going to have much use for the box of holding -- I think my sack and Josef's bag of holding still have a fair amount of room and the box itself is heavy.
The hag's treasure also contained 565gp.
I can't remember what else we may have found--don't have time to look back right now but I think we also got some valuables post elemental fight. Rikar's list doesn't look up to date (for one thing I know I now have two +1 short swords and Krieg has a +1 short sword as well, but only 1 is listed).
I could use a couple tanglefoot bags at least. We could also at this point maybe get some more protective items for the party--I'm not yearning for lots of stuff, but like some cloaks of resistance for some of the crew might not be a horrible idea. Some wands for combat wouldn't be a bad idea either.