Note on Combat
Getting ready for first fight. I plan to run combat like this:
1. I'll make initiative rolls for all of you and opponents and post order which we'll follow down the line.
2. We will post in a loose approximation of that order, but not strictly. If you post early, you may have to retcon based on who or what is ahead of you, but post away.
3. If it's been 24 hrs (less if popular demand decrees), I will DM-PC your actions trying to act as I would (or as you would once I know your style) in your stead. Sorry if that screws up your plan, but we can't wait on you all day, princess. I'll try to throw some gentle reminders out.
4. If you cast, fire or use some fancy special ability or item please link or spoiler the reference so we can all easily see what it does.
5. If you are the victim of a "condition" like dazzled, please post it at the beginning of your action so we keep track
6. Please label the round in which you are acting with BOLD like this Round 1 - Move Action: run like hell Standard Action: cry like a baby.
7. Please, please be as cinematic in description as you can/want to be. It's more fun than just reading die rolls.
8. I think visual representation of the combat is critical to understanding it, so will use maps and tokens whenever possible. Please use lines to indicate planned movement until your initiatve turn comes up.
9. You may see map areas your PC wouldn't know about or things they wouldn't or can't see. Please use appropriate IC behavior when possible
10. Have fun, and be safe. I promise not to kill ALL of you in the first fight.
Let me know your in-hand weapon and current AC if you can.
Beagan usually has his quarterstaff (a club to most) in hand when walking. It makes him look smophisticated.
Also, his AC is... well, it is what it is. :P
Dang! I was gonna come up with an RP post tonight. Then my wife decided we were going out instead.
While I'm a little miffed at skipping talking about lunch, I think spending the night out and about with my wife was a much better choice. <g>
ZERO stress. Just an example of the failure of the best laid plans of mice or men.
Once readied, 'Dada's weapon in hand will be his sap. Either that or he could throw his juggling clubs . . ..
Lay it on us anyway if you like. We can mentally stick in where it belongs. I'm always down for some IC stuff. Hope you had a nice dinner...and it sounds like you made the right choice.
I think this scene is probably the most iconic in Pathfinder lore, the loping goblin slicing the dog's throat and the sneak attack. I'm not sure what it says about me that it comes in post 168 when I've seen (and played) in games when it comes in Post #1.
How many of you have played this sequence before?
Damn goblins , Viviana will have to wait for another chance to brag .
:)
Weapon in hand glaive , no armor.
Far enough to find out that there are at least two waves, never far enough to see the second.
Lay it on us anyway if you like. We can mentally stick in where it belongs. I'm always down for some IC stuff. Hope you had a nice dinner...and it sounds like you made the right choice.
I think this scene is probably the most iconic in Pathfinder lore, the loping goblin slicing the dog's throat and the sneak attack. I'm not sure what it says about me that it comes in post 168 when I've seen (and played) in games when it comes in Post #1.
How many of you have played this sequence before?
Once before.
We pretty much wrapped up the goblin assault and then the game fell apart.
^ Ditto!
The game I was in was slightly modified so that the goblin attack happened while we were in the Rusty Dragon. We got about two rounds in before it fell apart.
Looks like no one has finished this.
:)
Same here-first wave.
Well, I'm pretty sure we'll get through it, though it will take a while in PbP format. I guess the first 165 posts were setting the backstory so something could happen after the goblin threat ended.
Intitial Assault - Post combat summary
No one wounded
Aleksander 2 arrows
No other resources used.
That felt FAST. I mean, everything was down before Gudada got to do more than ready a weapon!
BTW, that is NOT a complaint. I'll be happy to never need to roll an attack die. I don't expect things to work that way, but it won't upset me if they do!
I thought it was fast also. My other groups took 4 or 5 rounds with this first bunch, but you guys nailed them in a round and a half. The dice gods were with you, no question. I think it gets tougher from here, for a bit.
The dice gods were with you, no question.
I'd like to believe it was compensation for the Critical Miss.
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Btw, no intention to split the party, but I've got a non-com with me and as I mentioned in my post, a running battle is no place for a small child.
Be along with you guys shortly.
Cool ,the second wave i have never been there before.
Ha! You'll see! Wait till you meet Aldern Foxglove...
Glad you're plowing new ground. My first groups are about halfway done with Burnt Offerings (first book of AP) as long as you guys hang around we'll get farther than that.
Gudada Purrun: Ouch. Seriously. Random number Gods not on your side.
Just a note: I will be traveling most all day tomorrow. May not get any posts in or may squeeze some in late if possible. Road trip across half of US from Houston to Nashville on tap. Hurray!
Crud. Something went wrong with the last post. Posted with the wrong alt. Can't change it now. Apologies.
50 lashes for you. And then keel-haul him...oh wait, this isn't Skull and Shackles....no worries, pal. It happens.
Sorry about the delay.
I was at concert and missed my train .
No worries, I was missing last night anyway. Time for the bearded boys to go.
No worries, I was missing last night anyway. Time for the bearded boys to go.
Being an old bearded man up WAY past his bedtime last night, when I first saw this post I sat and stared at it for a few minutes, thinking "but, nothing's happened since I posted?" When I figured it out, I realized how tired I had gotten, and went to bed.
People are silly. Me included.
Ha. Consider me one of them also...Guess I'll be more clear next time. Think it's time for you to go again in just a bit, G.
DM DoctorEvil:
Boss, had a post ready to go for round 3, but waiting on the gobs.
Ok, goblins are done, it's all you.
Reading a little more about non-lethal damage. Looked at a few forum posts also.
The rule is: If the non-lethal damage equal to or exceeds current HP, then staggered or unconscious. In our case, though, the 5 non-lethal came first, when the target had 6 HP, then 5 lethal was done to the critter. My initial ruling was he still stood, with 1 HP. But the forums and a re-reading of the rule, leads me to believe that the 5 non-lethal exceeds his current (1) hp. So with the slash he falls over unconscious.
Make sense? Any further comment?
He went down in a heap and I'll let you retcon your attacks as needed.
I built the "in case" condition into my post. Just in case, you understand. <g>
Gudada:
I'd offer you my buckler in a heartbeat if you were proficient or my spare gear if I had any on me in a heartbeat. I was going to suggest trading positions on the line temporarily until I realized that all I had was a Longbow.
Kinda feels like getting caught in the field with light kit instead of Full Battle Order - the item you need is never in the pack when you need it.
Heh. Zero stress. The angst is all IC. It ain't like the sap is failing to do the job!
Sorry to catch you unawares, but that only makes the goblin ambush seem more real. IF you'd gone to the festival armed and armored to the teeth, then it'd be a little contrived.
You seem to be handling it pretty well.
Well... I got to show off the bow in an entirely different manner than I expected.
Sorry to catch you unawares, but that only makes the goblin ambush seem more real. IF you'd gone to the festival armed and armored to the teeth, then it'd be a little contrived.
You seem to be handling it pretty well.
Well, since all of us had seen the goblin attack start before, it isn't like we didn't know EXACTLY what was going to happen when we identified that we weren't carrying the full combat kit with us.
The first time I went through this, 'Dada threw his juggling clubs at the goblins. The sap has proven far more effective! Now, how much of that was dice and how much of that is an actual difference?
If I start another campaign (I'm thinking about it, and retiring some of my characters instead) which would you prefer to see of the following choices:
1) Second Darkness
2) Reign of Winter
3) Shattered Star
4) The Dragon's Demand (new long module)
5) Crypt of the Everflame and subsequent
6) Temple of Elemental Evil
7) Other (specify)
I have my preferences, but want to see what the players think. If you can't take in a new game, help choose anyway. I'd like to give preferential spots to known and reliable players such as yourselves.
Well, I just started a Reign of Winter run.
Has there been a PFS adaptation for Temple of Elemental Evil made? That's a pretty big chunk of material to have to convert in order to keep things as challenging as intended. I have started a Temple of Elemental Evil run, several years ago. Honestly, I don't think we got off of the ground floor.
Other than that, I don't know enough about the others to have INTELLIGENT input.
I've run the Price of Immortality trilogy. Felt it was something of a letdown. Crypt of the Everflame is a middling-strong dungeon delve if a little lacking in roleplaying opportunity. Mask of the Living God is excellent. City of Golden Death on the other hand, just struck me as meh and was kind of a letdown after the very strong Mask of the Living God.
Intrigued by the idea of a Temperamental Errors of Evil campaign actually.
Second Darkness was a bit choppy in execution. Too many handrails to follow and logical leaps to make IMO.
Shattered Star are solid, simple fun.
Of course, you could run Kingmaker and have the entire Paizo forum descend on the thread to try and sign up...
Overall, ToEE and SS get endorsements. Don't know enough about Dragon's Demand and Reign of Winter yet to pass judgement.
1) Second Darkness
- I've heard the transition between the first and second modules is pretty tenuous. Enough so that folks have been developing work arounds or different starts
2) Reign of Winter
- I've just started a Reign of Winter run, so can't comment much about it.
3) Shattered Star
- Don't know much about it other than hearing it's harkens back to the old dungeon crawls of yore.
4) The Dragon's Demand (new long module)
- Never heard of it, although, glancing at the product page, it seems to have gotten some good reviews
5) Crypt of the Everflame and subsequent
- Ugh. I've been through those three modules. The first two are all right, but the last needs work. And the reasoning to transition from one module to the next (particularly for the last one) was tenuous at best. I think it tried to do too much.
6) Temple of Elemental Evil
- Wow that's a classic module. I've probably been through it (or did I run it? idk) before and used to have the video game, but it's been a while. I played part way through the "Return" version many years back but my character died (damn you Deck of Many Things) and the game folded shortly afterwards before the finale. I second the comment on the amount of work that may be involved if it hasn't happened already.
7) Other (specify)
- Hmmm... there's always that new one based on the Worldwound that uses the upcoming Mythic rules (Wrath of the Righteous AP). But those are only just coming out and may take a bit of time to absorb the new rules.
I think the big question would be: What do _you_ want to run?
Out of everything posted, Reign of Winter holds my biggest interest. I've either played, ran or read the rest.
Hey.
My mom just asked me to come visit this weekend. I make no promises about how much I will or will not post while there. They re well connected to the internet, and have plenty of resources for me to use through said connection, BUT . . ..
The point is to spend time with family, not closed in a room by myself.
I'm 48. The people I am told are there already are both of my parents, both of my dad's older brothers, and my dad's mom. This could well be the last time all of her boys are together with her. She isn't really ill. She's "just" over 90 years old . . ..
I won't leave until tomorrow morning, so I will be as active until then as normal.
understood. enjoy your time there. We'll be here when you get back, thanks for the heads up!
@Gudada
Have fun. :)
@DM
If i have to choose: second darkness or shattered star.
SD-interesting locations and exploration and elves.
SS- i don't know much about it, but since is linked with RotRL i am interested
Hey.
My mom just asked me to come visit this weekend. I make no promises about how much I will or will not post while there. They re well connected to the internet, and have plenty of resources for me to use through said connection, BUT . . ..
The point is to spend time with family, not closed in a room by myself.
I'm 48. The people I am told are there already are both of my parents, both of my dad's older brothers, and my dad's mom. This could well be the last time all of her boys are together with her. She isn't really ill. She's "just" over 90 years old . . ..
I won't leave until tomorrow morning, so I will be as active until then as normal.
*SALUTE*
*Raised Eyebrow*
Welp. Any plans I had to operate tactically for this fight have gone out the window.
I could 5-ft out diagonal out next to Dolgrin but that would leave Beagan alone with a goblin - totally not the right mindset for a city guardsman...
Sorry about that. I wasn't online at all Sunday so missed Saturday eve's post. Weekends are my Achilles' Heel.
Anyone else besides me starting to think the Paizo die-roller is actively trying to kill us?
Looks like it. Let's hope that we waste our bad luck before the more serious fights.
:)
Quick question , do guided hand feat allow me to use WIS instead of STR for CMB bonus when am using glaive?
Weapon finesse work that way but i cant find FAQ for guided hand.
If I have Weapon Finesse, can I apply my Dex bonus to my combat maneuver checks instead of my Strength bonus??
It depends on what combat maneuver you're attempting. Disarm, sunder, and trip are normally the only kinds of combat maneuvers in which you’re actually using a weapon to perform the maneuver, and therefore the weapon’s bonuses apply to the roll. Therefore, if you're attempting a disarm, sunder, or trip maneuver, you can apply your Dex bonus instead of your Str mod on the combat maneuver check (assuming you're using a finessable weapon, of course). For other combat maneuvers, you use the normal rule for determining CMB (Str instead of Dex).
This makes reasonable good sense and I think the application for Guided Hand will be very similar. To the extent you use the weapon in maneuver then use your WIS bonus,ok?
Nice. Not that i managed to do something..
:)
@ DM DoctorEvil
I have a query regarding the Durable Arrows from Elves of Golarion, since they're almost always one of the first things I sink cash into as an Archer.
Durable Arrows on the d20pfsrd
I find they're handy enough since they:
A: Save myself the hassle of ammunition logistics over the long term.
B: Save myself the need to hassle the GM over ammunition breakage.
However, they're from Elves of Golarion, which is a non-core book so I want to ask if they're available in your campaign, since you did specify "NO third party publishing sources allowed", and the old 3.5 era Pathfinder books kinda skirt a little close to the grey line.