Capes and Crowns, Fight For the Future of Kelovar!

Game Master Flinnfurious

Built a reach-ish cleric that will be doing a lot of summoning and battlefield control. Working on a spellslinger crafter as my second submission.

The Crimson Blade's sheet is now complete.

I could get way into more detail with this guy but you didn't want too much.

OVerall I'm quite happy how he turned out. He has natural attacks but with the ridiculous damage he does by punchstabbing people with the option of potentially getting three more attacks it hardly seems necessary. And he's got the skill set to pull off his character. Overall I'm very pleased. I don't have a proper picture "in costume" so have a kamen rider picture instead.

"Fathom" wrote:

Alias of ',' posting with an avatar since my normal one seem to 'get lost' amongst the barrage. :)

So...Succubus/Summoner. Yes? No?

Sorry about missing it before. Yes that character is fine.

Silvertounge wrote:

Profile page is now up for my character, a Powerless Fighter/Monk(Martial Artist). Profile page has a link to the character sheet. I'll work on moving everything over to the profile page for convenience if I'm selected.

Fluff will come later today, after I've gotten some sleep. He will be a member of the Stag Watch, though. More to come later. Good night, all.

Looks good so far.

Andiemus wrote:

Ok, here it is, I will make an alias if I'm selected.

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Most of your sheet looks good, except the hitpoints. How did you come to 198? As a Dweomercat with 3 levels of barbarian, that's only 103. You take take the highest hp from either side of the gestalt, but don't add them together.

Iranaset Maior wrote:

Uncle Taco here submitting a half-dragon elf monk/cleric. Click through to the profile to access the stat sheet, background, etc. I borrowed pretty liberally from a few ideas to make her and she's very much inspired by Laori Vaus. She's also lawful evil but I figure she can "focus" her more questionable habits on the corrupted. There's more to add to her background, maybe even something about how she interacts with the silver dragon she's bonded with but that'll be later.

I kept flurry of blows off of my sheet for now because I want to know if I can flurry at character level or just monk level. I'm also using the monk skill progression.

Lastly, where does the brand appear on the body?

You would flurry as monk level, not character level. For point of reference, you normally wouldn't be able to use both Weapon Adept and Qinggong as they both replace Timeless Body and Perfect Self....

How do we know what skill ranks the creature has? It's not broken down in their stat block and Axiomites are already at 10 HD.

Edit: Never mind, I think I can reverse engineer them pretty easily.

So if I'm understanding your method correctly it's yielding a ridiculous amount of skillpoints, I want to make sure it's right.

I'm building a self (and others) healing and buffing melee given that on one half of my gestalt starts with D12 BAB 12
When I level up again I'm thinking of going paladin, maybe with a monk dip or maybe eldritch knight

I have a second character in the works because I noticed people doing that,

A quickling rouge 6/sorcerer 6 arcane trickster 4

Here is DM Jelani's character. I'm only going to post once with this alias so in case I don't get picked I can reuse it. Right now just the crunch is done, but I'd appreciate it getting checked over to make sure I did all the gestalt monster interaction stuff right. I'll work on the fluffy bits over the next day or two and get them up. Thanks!

Hmmm...I need to redo her skill points it appears based on that information. I actually based them off the Fey's skill progression instead of just using the skill ranks the Neried gets plus my monk and int mod.

It was my understanding that you took the better of the monster skill ranks per level or the class, not both. Did I miss something?

That would make much more sense to me, but...

DM Jelani wrote:

For skills, do I take 6+int modifier for the first eight levels of Axiomite (since that's what outsiders get and it's higher than monk) and then whatever is higher out of my two classes for the last two levels like normal gestalt?

You do not gain the outsider's skill progression, instead you simply gain whatever skill ranks they have in addition to the skill progression of your other class. If any ranks are above 10, they're negated to 10 until you reach the appropriate HD.

Bold emphasis is mine.

Although the premise of this story and campaign sound exciting, the game mechanics of this character creation are too overwhelmingly complex for me. Have fun everyone!

cheers

That would make much more sense to me, but...

Flinnfurious wrote:

DM Jelani wrote:

For skills, do I take 6+int modifier for the first eight levels of Axiomite (since that's what outsiders get and it's higher than monk) and then whatever is higher out of my two classes for the last two levels like normal gestalt?

You do not gain the outsider's skill progression, instead you simply gain whatever skill ranks they have in addition to the skill progression of your other class. If any ranks are above 10, they're negated to 10 until you reach the appropriate HD.

Bold emphasis is mine.

this makes me happy and enough to tip in favor of the dragon

Generally a dragon can only grow into the next age category by advancing the race instead of a class. Not sure if that will be allowed in this game.

mostly just curiosity,

Finally! Here's the wizard/magus I've been building. His crunch is all done (Let me know if I missed something), his history is almost finished except for the 'event' in Kelorav and his description. It turned out a bit longer than I expected! Fun to write though. I went with the powerless 'template.'

I stuck to 3 scrolls, as requested. Does that mean just scribed scrolls, or all?

I envision mixing between spell combat with some damage spells, but also buffs and debuffs with wizard spells, even a few control spells when needed. His wizard side can keep up with ranged combat too.

I'll go through and do some proofreading later tonight as well.

After some thought I decided to submit a Unicorn Cleric (Evangelist)7/Druid 10 as a second character. It seems like there's a bit of a lack of solid casters compared to monks and others that basically just deal tons of damage. I still very much like the crimson blade but party balance is important to me too.

I don't think there's really a need for pure casters in this game. My chick can heal, fly, regenerate, haste, do traps AND deal tons of damage with only 1 level of cleric. Hyper high powered gestalt kind of removes the need for straight casters in my opinion. Not that it can't be fun to play one, just that they aren't strictly necessary in a normal party balance kind of way.

I tried to make mine more like a traditional comic book super hero than a PF character though. Having a couple of "super powers" and then just shoring up her weaknesses to make her tough as nails.

How will the unicorn be casting spells? I don't see a profile, but hope you are taking eschew materials, still spell, and natural spell.

Is the DM allowing natural spell to work with non-druid spells?

And now my nymph has a mount... :)

The DM is allowing the unicorn to just be a human or whatever with unicorn powers. The monster races are treated as templates, you're not actually a member of that race. You're a normal race that was Branded and got super powers.

oh so we have the abilities of our base race too?
sweet,
what does that do that do for things based off of size?

I'm working on the dragon now that I finally have a computer that works, I'm going to work on the quickling when he's done
I am going to have him be a city guard,
he's going to use his racial detect evil in conjunction with the feats: "Eyes of Judgment" and "detect expertise" to be able (with 3 rounds of looking) determine exact alignment and spellcasting abilities to include what bloodlines, domains, hexes, schools, or mysteries (if any) people around him have in order to determine who's a threat and who's not

No, as far as I understand it you only have the abilities of the monster race unless you are taking an actual template (half-fiend etc). But cosmetically you are a core race. Is that correct DM Flinnfurious?

well, then I guess I'll be a kobold dragon then wait that's not a core race,
hmm gnome works
just imagining a gnome able to pick up a horse and throw it
very amusing to me

I'm not sure how he intends it to work with things like dragons that bite claw and wingslap. That would make absolutely no sense for something that looks like a gnome to be doing. -shrug-

I'm strongly considering a gravity elemental -- perfect 100' flight and an antigravity field seem very iconically superheroish -- but I realize that I have some questions about how their (su) gravity field's reverse gravity-like ability works:

• I'm assuming turning it on is a standard action. Yes?
  
• What action is it to turn it off? Free?
  
• What about 'pulsing' it briefly off and back on again?
  
• Given that it's centered around me, what happens when someone's caught in it and then I move? Do they fall or do they follow me?
  
• If I buzzed along 30' above the ground, would everything I passed fall up 60' and then back to the ground again?
  
• When I've got one or more entities trapped in the field and I fly straight up, do they 'fall' along with me, higher and higher (until I turn it off)?
  

From reading other questions on the thread, I believe that (while a CR9 Greater Elemental has 13 HD and so 13d10 HP)

• Let's assume I'm a (gestalt Gravity Elemental/Witch 1 | Rogue 10). I believe I'd get 9d10 HP (from the elemental) + 1d8 at 10th level (from rogue).
  
• I believe that elemental abilities that trigger off of HD will use my character HD (e.g. HD == my character level) rather than the greater gravity elemental's 13 HD.
  
• I believe my BAB would be +9 from the elemental and +1 from the rogue (who doesn't actually get full BAB, but happens to get +1 at L10.)

And a few misc questions,

You take the +10 BAB from gravity elemental as it's better than the rogue (while it should be +13 I'm assuming everything is capped at 10 HD level for now).

You can take a weapon attack(s) and one slam, but the slam becomes a secondary natural weapon with a -5 to hit and only adding half str modifier to damage.

Other questions I'm not sure about.

Flinnfurious wrote:

That is accurate. Pretty sure I didn't put any permanent incorpeals on the list though.

I think it's just the Witchfire. Her natural attacks are also pretty amazing, although not very improvable.

So, is Witchfire still on the list? I've got a concept and most of the stats for an oracle based on that monster. It'd work best if the character is incorporeal, but I can make it work if he just gets the witchfire bolts and not the rest of it (just tell me what his Strength is).

If it is still a valid template, does Vital strike work the natural attacks? My inclination is that it shouldn't, but I can certainly make the case for it doing so (or at least doing so for the melee touch).

How about Crossblooded and Wildblooded for a sorcerer?

Finally, a question for everyone else: I can build this character as a pure blaster with a sideline in knowledge (Flame oracle), or a knowledge character that's mostly a battlefield control character, but occasionally just set things on fire (Lore oracle). It's actually a very small change, but it makes a huge difference in how it plays out. I'd find them both interesting, for different reasons, but the first has much more of a use for being a Witchfire...

WHEW! I think I finally have everything finished and ready for submission. The backstory ended up wayyyy longer than I expected, but I had fun writing it :)

Sellin here would be focused on using spell combat for damage, buffing up himself and the party, and laying debuffs on enemies. The wizard spells let him dabble in battlefield control and utility when needed, and put up a fight at range if the situation calls for it. He's not necessarily great at talking to people, but he has a number of useful out-of-combat spells in his books, and I grabbed the Fast Study discovery (love that one) so he can easily prep them on the fly.

For his gear, I tried not to go too far towards "surly adventurer armed to the teeth." Most of his gear is helpful for his research, or useful protections that make sense for someone going on potentially dangerous field assignments, especially in a rough town like Kelorav. He doesn't take a lot of it when just traveling around the city, though, aside from what he wears or might need day-to-day (which isn't much).

Seems like a really interesting campaign, and I'd love an opportunity to finally play a gestalt game. I've come to like the RP potential in this guy too :D

As for the discussion on PCs appearance, Flinnfurious mentioned you can look however you want somewhere earlier in the thread. So I believe you can be anything from an entirely normal gnome, to a human who sprouts wings and shoots electricity from his eyes, or even a permanently disfigured undead-type character.

Finally, a question for everyone else: I can build this character as a pure blaster with a sideline in knowledge (Flame oracle), or a knowledge character that's mostly a battlefield control character, but occasionally just set things on fire (Lore oracle). It's actually a very small change, but it makes a huge difference in how it plays out. I'd find them both interesting, for different reasons, but the first has much more of a use for being a Witchfire...

As someone else mentioned, we seem to have a lot of DPS characters (though it's not hard to add good damage potential to most any gestalt PCs), so a more-dedicated controller might be welcome. But being a witchfire, I agree the blasty fire oracle fits better. I always say do what makes the most sense for the character! After all, you don't always end up with perfect groups in the real world anyway :)

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I'm not sure how he intends it to work with things like dragons that bite claw and wingslap. That would make absolutely no sense for something that looks like a gnome to be doing. -shrug-

I think that's the point where he wants you to write creatively adn describe the why's.

I decided to compile a list of entries so far for easy reference. Didn't realize there were so many when I started!

• Alexander Dunnlarva by ZevVili – Human Monk/Rogue 10
  
• Caelcinbarion Thaldur by SecSeibzehn (Unfinished?) - Axiomite/Human Monk/Swashbuckler
  
• Teresa Hori Zan by likrin - Half-Celestial Champion Inquisitor of Shizuru
  
• Simo Munden by GrinningJest3r – Pale Stranger Pistolero Gunslinger
  
• The Crimson Blade by Tark – Human Monk/Swashbuckler
  
• Maeve Dawnbringer by fnord72 – Nymph druid/rogue/shadow dancer
  
• Ránëwén Elanessë (Make your name harder to type :P geez) by Captain Fremont – Nereid Monk
  
• Thomas Kinsey by Andiemus – Dweomercat Rogue/Barbarian
  
• Stephan Rogerson by Silvertongue – Human fighter/monk
  
• Iranaset Maior by Uncle Taco – Half-dragon elf Monk/cleric
  
• Murdoch Vengeance by Jubal Breakbottle – Witchfire Cleric/Ranger
  
• Maxelmish Stoutwick by Cronax – Pixie Halfling Ninja/Paladin
  
• Ony Zimyatov by Ptolmaeus Arvenus – Human Fighter/Rogue
  
• Sperow Sixsmith by Ptolmaeus Arvenus – Gunslinger/Ranger
  
• Kaarya by JonGarrett – Half-celestial-orc bard/paladin
  
• Felicity Vanderstrix by DM Jelani – Axiomite monk/cleric/fighter
  
• and me (by Paulicus) – Elf Debuff Wizard/Magus
  
• Wilros Gilgamesh by Lord Foul – Gold dragon oracle
  

It does seem we have an emphasis mostly on various martials and rogue-types, with some ranged DPS folks. Though there are a few with divine/arcane casting capabilities, some partial and some full.

Scanning through I initially thought we had more 'powerless' template submissions, but it looks like more people went with some kind of monster.

Apologies if I missed anyone, or if anyone above has withdrawn. I'll try to fix it if it's pointed out early enough.

edit-almost forgot to add myself!

you forgot me, I have a gold dragon/oracle by the name of wilros gilgamesh

you forgot me, I have a gold dragon/oracle by the name of wilros gilgamesh

Must've missed ya! An oracle would probably be a useful character too.

as would a dragon :P
mystery is lore, curse is lame

Well, I've crashed Hero Lab twice on this character, but I have about 2/3 of it done in a Mythweavers sheet, which is all I have time for this morning.

Witchfire Sorcerer (Wildblooded, Crossblooded) 1 // Flame Oracle 10
The bloodlines are Primal (Fire) and Efreeti, the curse is Haunted.

Very brief backstory: He was a dwarf with minor sorcerous powers inclined towards fire. One night, while he was asleep, he accidentally lit his bed on fire and burned to death. He was very surprised to still be "alive" afterwards, marked by the Brand and with much greater powers of fire.

sweet recruitment still open? working up an idea now.

*Waves*

Though this is not the avatar I shall be using, I am still interested in the Succubus/Summoner. :)

I am pretty sure I can get 'blasty' effects from some where to simulate the 'power suits' attacks. ;)

much cheers towards the new year to all.

what favored classes options are we allowed

Don't see any reason why vital strike wouldn't work with a natural weapon. It does say "When you use the attack action, you can make one attack at your highest base attack bonus that deals additional damage."

Note that witchflame is not a natural attack, it is a supernatural ability that applies an effect to an attack.

The attack's (incorporeal touch or ranged bolt) base damage gets modified.

Question becomes are those attacks supernatural themselves? Vital striking an 8d6 attack is just mean.

I haven't located anything that specifies where the damage on those two attacks comes from, so I would guess you'd need to check with the DM on whether those will work together or not. (keep in mind that if a player cna do it, so can the DM, and I'm gonna use this in one of the games I run.)

The attack's (incorporeal touch or ranged bolt) base damage gets modified.

Question becomes are those attacks supernatural themselves? Vital striking an 8d6 attack is just mean.

I haven't located anything that specifies where the damage on those two attacks comes from, so I would guess you'd need to check with the DM on whether those will work together or not. (keep in mind that if a player cna do it, so can the DM, and I'm gonna use this in one of the games I run.)

Yep, that's the question. My feeling is that the ranged bolt isn't intended on being so, because its range is specified in the Witchflame ability. The melee touch is more questionable, but as someone on the linked thread pointed out - it's clearly based on a Ghost's corrupting touch, which is explicitly a Su ability, not a natural attack.

If I were the GM, I wouldn't allow it. It makes one feat way too strong. But in a game like this, I figured it's worth checking with the actual GM.

Even without it, the fire vulnerability debuff against a fire-based caster will hurt.

Question becomes are those attacks supernatural themselves? Vital striking an 8d6 attack is just mean.

Oh, good god.

I wouldn't expect vital strike is intended to work with those types of abilities, but by a strict reading it might. I seem to recall touch attacks have some special rules, but I don't know if that would matter here. The designers probably didn't expect any witchfire PCs :P

Summation: DM's call.

Favored classes?

How do you mean? Each PC may select one favored class. There are racial abilities, traits, and feats that may allow a second favored class.

Are you asking about options other than HP or SP? Those have always been based on race. So if you were "powerless" you would have your racial options open to you.

If you are taking a monster race, you no longer have a 'base' race or those options even though the 'monster race' is a skin.

Of course, this is just my impression.

anyone interested in doing some shared background?

Is there any option/expectation that we may already know each other prior to game start?

How long after "the Event" does the game start?

I would be fine with doing a shared background, I'm a gold dragon oracle city guard,

and my friend has a build that allows a vanilla ranger to vital strike for 16d6+str+enchants

If only the basic bow damage gets doubled, how did he get to 16d6?

I could see gravity bow possibly increasing the damage type with enlarge person to get from 1d8>2d6>3d6+3d6.

Maeve is a nymph entertainer, dancing, singing, instruments. Haven't determined where she works yet.

it wasn't a bow,
and by raw arrows don't benefit with enlarge person
he used lead blades a half giant (for the oversized weapons) and enlarge person, there was more but I forget it

In regards to how natural attacks function, it's however you want them to. Turn them into other natural weapons, a masterwork weapon you can store inside your body or magically call upon, really anything that doesn't directly affect it's stats. However, if they become masterwork weapons, they must be the same size. Light attacks, such as claws, would become light weapons. Heavy attacks, such as most bites, would become two-handed weapons or equivalent.

fnord72 wrote:

Even though he can use one book to write his spells into, does he need to keep them marked as wizard or magus?

If he wanted to cast enlarge person as both a magus and a wizard, would it need to be written twice?

I was concerned about that as well. There were some older threads on it, but having 2 copies of a spell shouldn't be necessary since magi and wizards and copy, use, and learn from each others' spellbooks anyway.

I am keep track of which spells are wizard- or magus-only though.

No, you don't need to write it twice, though you do need separate spell lists.

Flinnfurious wrote:

That is accurate. Pretty sure I didn't put any permanent incorpeals on the list though.

I think it's just the Witchfire. Her natural attacks are also pretty amazing, although not very improvable.

Did not intend to put incorpeals on the list, but won't take it off now. Your strength score is 10 and turning incorpeality on and off is a full round action.

Bobson wrote:

I'm not sure pixie dust works on crossbows, though...

I wasn't sure either. Worst case scenario I'll just pick up a spare mundane longbow.

I'll allow pixie dust to work on crossbows.

So if I'm understanding your method correctly it's yielding a ridiculous amount of skillpoints, I want to make sure it's right.

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That monster part grants additional skill ranks. Like the feats conversation before, I realize this presents an imbalance, especially to those with no monster templates. And, like before, since it's not optimized and powerless/template characters will receive in game bonuses, I'm fine with it.

For anyone curious about those in-game bonuses, they'll not happen immediately, but will be quite impressive.

DM Jelani wrote:

That would make much more sense to me, but...

Flinnfurious wrote:

DM Jelani wrote:

For skills, do I take 6+int modifier for the first eight levels of Axiomite (since that's what outsiders get and it's higher than monk) and then whatever is higher out of my two classes for the last two levels like normal gestalt?

You do not gain the outsider's skill progression, instead you simply gain whatever skill ranks they have in addition to the skill progression of your other class. If any ranks are above 10, they're negated to 10 until you reach the appropriate HD.

Bold emphasis is mine.

this makes me happy and enough to tip in favor of the dragon

Gold dragon oracle guard is my primary
As a dragon I have a human form yes? Or will I have to adjust to being large except for when my 3 per day polymorph is in effect
I'm working on mobile for the next few I'd rather wait till I can get on my comp before I finish the crunch
Intended lvl 20 build
Dragon 10/paladin 10/oracle 20
Will the dragons ever raise in age catagory?

No, Dragon's will not improve in age category. However, I might improve the monster side down the road. Better spell like abilities, special attacks, etc.

Finally! Here's the wizard/magus I've been building. His crunch is all done (Let me know if I missed something), his history is almost finished except for the 'event' in Kelorav and his description. It turned out a bit longer than I expected! Fun to write though. I went with the powerless 'template.'

I stuck to 3 scrolls, as requested. Does that mean just scribed scrolls, or all?

I envision mixing between spell combat with some damage spells, but also buffs and debuffs with wizard spells, even a few control spells when needed. His wizard side can keep up with ranged combat too.

I'll go through and do some proofreading later tonight as well.

Sorry about not being clear before. Yes, a max of 3 scribed scrolls. You can buy however many you want of the other kind.

How will the unicorn be casting spells? I don't see a profile, but hope you are taking eschew materials, still spell, and natural spell.

Is the DM allowing natural spell to work with non-druid spells?

And now my nymph has a mount... :)

Any spells a creature can cast you can as well, as if you were that creature. Such spells don't require materials and do not suffer arcane failure chance.

No, as far as I understand it you only have the abilities of the monster race unless you are taking an actual template (half-fiend etc). But cosmetically you are a core race. Is that correct DM Flinnfurious?

That is correct. You gain no advantages from you initial, pre-Event, race. Beyond looking like one, that is. Of course, you can also choose to look like a mix of that creature and your usual self, odd features taken from that creature, or actually just look like the creature. That comes with it's own problems and advantages, depending on the creature.

I'm strongly considering a gravity elemental -- perfect 100' flight and an antigravity field seem very iconically superheroish -- but I realize that I have some questions about how their (su) gravity field's reverse gravity-like ability works:

• I'm assuming turning it on is a standard action. Yes?
  
• What action is it to turn it off? Free?
  
• What about 'pulsing' it briefly off and back on again?
  
• Given that it's centered around me, what happens when someone's caught in it and then I move? Do they fall or do they follow me?
  
• If I buzzed along 30' above the ground, would everything I passed fall up 60' and then back to the ground again?
  
• When I've got one or more entities trapped in the field and I fly straight up, do they 'fall' along with me, higher and higher (until I turn it off)?
  

From reading other questions on the thread, I believe that (while a CR9 Greater Elemental has 13 HD and so 13d10 HP)

• Let's assume I'm a (gestalt Gravity Elemental/Witch 1 | Rogue 10). I believe I'd get 9d10 HP (from the elemental) + 1d8 at 10th level (from rogue).
  
• I believe that elemental abilities that trigger off of HD will use my character HD (e.g. HD == my character level) rather than the greater gravity elemental's 13 HD.
  
• I believe my BAB would be +9 from the elemental and +1 from the rogue (who doesn't actually get full BAB, but happens to get +1 at L10.)

And a few misc questions,

As far as attacks, the elemental gets 2 slam attacks. I'm assuming that I can either take those or take a weapon attack, but not both?

Would you allow the Scarred Witch Doctor archetype?

Thanks!

1- Turning it on is a move action while turning it off is a swift action.

So, is Witchfire still on the list? I've got a concept and most of the stats for an oracle based on that monster. It'd work best if the character is incorporeal, but I can make it work if he just gets the witchfire bolts and not the rest of it (just tell me what his Strength is).

If it is still a valid template, does Vital strike work the natural attacks? My inclination is that it shouldn't, but I can certainly make the case for it doing so (or at least doing so for the melee touch).

How about Crossblooded and Wildblooded for a sorcerer?

Finally, a question for everyone else: I can build this character as a pure blaster with a sideline in knowledge (Flame oracle), or a knowledge character that's mostly a battlefield control character, but occasionally just set things on fire (Lore oracle). It's actually a very small change, but it makes a huge difference in how it plays out. I'd find them both interesting, for different reasons, but the first has much more of a use for being a Witchfire...

Vital strike can work with any physical natural attack. I'm going to say no when using vital strike with magical attacks, even bolts.

WHEW! I think I finally have everything finished and ready for submission. The backstory ended up wayyyy longer than I expected, but I had fun writing it :)

Sellin here would be focused on using spell combat for damage, buffing up himself and the party, and laying debuffs on enemies. The wizard spells let him dabble in battlefield control and utility when needed, and put up a fight at range if the situation calls for it. He's not necessarily great at talking to people, but he has a number of useful out-of-combat spells in his books, and I grabbed the Fast Study discovery (love that one) so he can easily prep them on the fly.

For his gear, I tried not to go too far towards "surly adventurer armed to the teeth." Most of his gear is helpful for his research, or useful protections that make sense for someone going on potentially dangerous field assignments, especially in a rough town like Kelorav. He doesn't take a lot of it when just traveling around the city, though, aside from what he wears or might need day-to-day (which isn't much).

Seems like a really interesting campaign, and I'd love an opportunity to finally play a gestalt game. I've come to like the RP potential in this guy too :D

As for the discussion on PCs appearance, Flinnfurious mentioned you can look however you want somewhere earlier in the thread. So I believe you can be anything from an entirely normal gnome, to a human who sprouts wings and shoots electricity from his eyes, or even a permanently disfigured undead-type character.

Bobson wrote:

Finally, a question for everyone else: I can build this character as a pure blaster with a sideline in knowledge (Flame oracle), or a knowledge character that's mostly a battlefield control character, but occasionally just set things on fire (Lore oracle). It's actually a very small change, but it makes a huge difference in how it plays out. I'd find them both interesting, for different reasons, but the first has much more of a use for being a Witchfire...

As someone...

Yes, you can look practically however you want, within reason. Obviously any physical changes have to go along with your monster templates. That applies to the normal templates as well.

Well, I've crashed Hero Lab twice on this character, but I have about 2/3 of it done in a Mythweavers sheet, which is all I have time for this morning.

Witchfire Sorcerer (Wildblooded, Crossblooded) 1 // Flame Oracle 10
The bloodlines are Primal (Fire) and Efreeti, the curse is Haunted.

Very brief backstory: He was a dwarf with minor sorcerous powers inclined towards fire. One night, while he was asleep, he accidentally lit his bed on fire and burned to death. He was very surprised to still be "alive" afterwards, marked by the Brand and with much greater powers of fire.

For some reason I was denied access to your character.

sweet recruitment still open? working up an idea now.

I will be closing recruitment in 4 days and give people another 3 days after that to finish their characters.

Don't see any reason why vital strike wouldn't work with a natural weapon. It does say "When you use the attack action, you can make one attack at your highest base attack bonus that deals additional damage."

Note that witchflame is not a natural attack, it is a supernatural ability that applies an effect to an attack.

The attack's (incorporeal touch or ranged bolt) base damage gets modified.

Question becomes are those attacks supernatural themselves? Vital striking an 8d6 attack is just mean.

I haven't located anything that specifies where the damage on those two attacks comes from, so I would guess you'd need to check with the DM on whether those will work together or not. (keep in mind that if a player cna do it, so can the DM, and I'm gonna use this in one of the games I run.)

Vital Strike is one of those things that every DM must be wary of. The wording isn't the precise and it can easily backfire in certain campaigns.

fnord72 wrote:

The attack's (incorporeal touch or ranged bolt) base damage gets modified.

Question becomes are those attacks supernatural themselves? Vital striking an 8d6 attack is just mean.

I haven't located anything that specifies where the damage on those two attacks comes from, so I would guess you'd need to check with the DM on whether those will work together or not. (keep in mind that if a player cna do it, so can the DM, and I'm gonna use this in one of the games I run.)

Yep, that's the question. My feeling is that the ranged bolt isn't intended on being so, because its range is specified in the Witchflame ability. The melee touch is more questionable, but as someone on the linked thread pointed out - it's clearly based on a Ghost's corrupting touch, which is explicitly a Su ability, not a natural attack.

If I were the GM, I wouldn't allow it. It makes one feat way too strong. But in a game like this, I figured it's worth checking with the actual GM.

Even without it, the fire vulnerability debuff against a fire-based caster will hurt.

Took the words right out of my mouth. Well, keyboard. To reiterate, Vital Strike can only work with normal physical attacks.

Favored classes?

How do you mean? Each PC may select one favored class. There are racial abilities, traits, and feats that may allow a second favored class.

Are you asking about options other than HP or SP? Those have always been based on race. So if you were "powerless" you would have your racial options open to you.

If you are taking a monster race, you no longer have a 'base' race or those options even though the 'monster race' is a skin.

Of course, this is just my impression.

anyone interested in doing some shared background?

Is there any option/expectation that we may already know each other prior to game start?

How long after "the Event" does the game start?

Favored Classes remains the same. Obviously you cannot pick a monster template as your favored class.

Feel free to have any kind of relationship you want. I once had two guys who did nothing but insult each other playing as husband and wife on a dare. It was hilarious. Like watching a DnD version of Married With Children.

Roughly a fortnight, which is the primary method of date telling in Kelovar. For those of you who haven't read hundreds of fantasy novels, a fortnight is 14 days or two weeks.

If only the basic bow damage gets doubled, how did he get to 16d6?

I could see gravity bow possibly increasing the damage type with enlarge person to get from 1d8>2d6>3d6+3d6.

Maeve is a nymph entertainer, dancing, singing, instruments. Haven't determined where she works yet.

Feel perfectly free to make a place up. I'll gladly add it to the city map.

I've been following this thread with interest, but remain confused about Monster stats. As I understand it, you are still a human (or Elf, Half-Elf, dwarf, or whatever) but have just gained the monster Stats as part of the development of your powers.

However, a dragon character (for exampl) is based on a Young adult dragon, which is a large creature; yet you will remain medium. Should the Stats be adjusted to reflect this? (so -8 STR, -4 CON, +2 DEX to the Stat block). Similarly damage is based on a large creature, should it be changed to the damage of a medium creature?

Also, is it allowed to put a Template (e.g. Celestial), on the Monster for an appropriate level adjustment? (AFAIK all CR adjustments are +1CR on a 10HD (i.e. 10th level) character, so +1 Monster level, -1 second gestalt level).

So the following announcements didn't get lost in the big above post, here are a few things everyone needs to be aware of.

Recruitment ends in 4 days. I'll make choices then and probably select four or five alternates, along with the main 4 party members.

If no other GM is forthcoming, I would be willing to also run a Corruption based campaign. There would be a few differing rules in that campaign. Though it isn't ideal for me, there's just too many awesome characters and enthusiasm regarding this game to just no let it happen.
Rule Changes
Powerless characters start with 120,000 instead of 20,000, as they do not gain the in game bonuses of the Branded. Only a max of two characters may be powerless.
It will be a PvP campaign, but I don't want any specific targeting of certain character builds. In game rivalry is fine, even encouraged, but no building your character just to beat someone else.
PvP will happen on occasion and players may die. It happens and there should be no hard feelings. That said, I don't want a PvP party wipe on any side.
Corruptions may only be neutral or evil. They aren't necessarily bad, just using their powers for personal gain. Think along the lines of Lex Luthor or Deadpool, rather than Darkseid or Carnage. Don't worry, they'll be plenty evil psychotic supermonsters, but such characters don't make good party members. That said, anyone choosing Corruption should be okay with murder and thievery. Anything else, such as torture or mass murder of innocent people, can be roleplayed out. Just as with any other group of bad guys, there are going to be levels of evil.
I will have a player character in this campaign to moderately keep things on track and within reason.

Extended Monster Templates- Unlike Branded, Corruptions may have Aberrations as Monster Templates. The same rules apply.
Drider- Gain 3 levels in another class.
Faceless Stalker- Gain 6 levels in another class.
Brethedan- Gain 5 levels in another class.
Cloaker- Gain 5 levels in another class.
Destrachan- Gain 2 levels in another class.
Guardian Naga- Gain no levels in another class.
Spirit Naga- Gain one level in another class.
Phasm- Gain 3 levels in another class.

And, because I believe in fairness, here's a list of Branded only monsters, all outsiders.
Angel, Balisse- Gain 2 levels in another class.
Azata, Bralani- Gain 4 levels in another class.
Eidolon, Unfettered- Gain 2 levels in another class.
Einherji- Gain no levels in another class.
Inevitable, Zelekhut- Gain 1 level in another class.
Kami, Fukujin- Gain 7 levels in another class.
Raiju- Gain 5 levels in another class.
Triton- Gain 8 levels in another class.

I would highly recommend against running two games in the same world/timeline, especially if there is going to be PVP. It creates a ton of problems with timing and stuff. I've tried it before and it failed horribly.

Did not intend to put incorpeals on the list, but won't take it off now. Your strength score is 10 and turning incorpeality on and off is a full round action.

That works for me, although it can be even stronger to be optionally incorporeal than constantly so. Unless my gear all falls to the ground when I do, Obi-wan style. That would be very amusing, but I'm not sure it'd be very practical. Although I did once have a Shadowrun character who turned into a bear on a regular basis... his team members carried spare pants for him (he didn't care either way).

For some reason I was denied access to your character.

Maybe because I left it mid-edit this morning. I'll close it down once I'm done with it tonight, so it should be accessible.

Last question: Crossblooded & Wildblooded stacking? FAQ says they don't, but there's nothing inherent to them that conflicts.

Edit: Zharr would almost make a better Corruption than a Branded, because he'd be flinging fire everywhere, and it would just mean he wouldn't be as careful with what it might hit. But I'm not sure it's feasible to pull off two overlapping campaigns.

So the following announcements didn't get lost in the big above post, here are a few things everyone needs to be aware of.

Recruitment ends in 4 days. I'll make choices then and probably select four or five alternates, along with the main 4 party members.

If no other GM is forthcoming, I would be willing to also run a Corruption based campaign. There would be a few differing rules in that campaign. Though it isn't ideal for me, there's just too many awesome characters and enthusiasm regarding this game to just no let it happen.

Awesome. If Simo isn't chosen for a Branded, I'll definitely be building a Corruption.

Flinnfurious wrote:

So the following announcements didn't get lost in the big above post, here are a few things everyone needs to be aware of.

Recruitment ends in 4 days. I'll make choices then and probably select four or five alternates, along with the main 4 party members.

If no other GM is forthcoming, I would be willing to also run a Corruption based campaign. There would be a few differing rules in that campaign. Though it isn't ideal for me, there's just too many awesome characters and enthusiasm regarding this game to just no let it happen.

Awesome. If Simo isn't chosen for a Branded, I'll definitely be building a Corruption.

same, but I'll probably submit my quickling instead