I'm thinking of running a game myself, but don't know if I can devote enough time for it.
Anyways, here are my two planned next upgrades.
Tier 1
Ally 1
Spell 1
Tier 2
Item 2
Armour 2
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So to be clear, You are continuing the adventures with us but are switching to Darago instead of Valeros?No, not at all! Sorry, I wasn't clear at all. No I'd like to play Valeros all the way through this AP (assuming everyone else is down to go the whole way).
Everyone should change their character to Darago and then only refer to each other as Darago. XD
Anyway, here's my planned upgrades for now:
Spell 1: Sphere of Fire (display for Arcane+1d6 - Lasts for the entire turn), Frost Ray (straight upgrade from Arcane+2d4 to Arcane+2d6)
Item 1: Sapphire of Intelligence (Recharge to use INT instead of normal skill on non-combat check)
Weapon: Something to replace Rapier (I didn't notice the non-proficiency penalty. Not a big deal because I can always trade it out at Sunburst Market, but still.)
I think so far we got
Item 1 x2
Spell 1
Ally 1
Assorted B rarity for everything else except weapon. I don't think we acquired any weapons.
I'll sit out the spell this time. The ally is a very minor upgrade for me so will only nab it if no one else wants it. And there are no items for me at this tier. So I'll probably upgrade one of my blessings to Blessing B for Pharasma.
Next time I'm rolling off for a spell for charm animal though.
Out of curiosity, Grazzle, how and why did you discard 5 cards from the blessings deck? (Did I understand correctly that those were cards coming off the Blessings timer and not your own deck?). And I understand that we seem to have plenty of time to wrap this up, so I get why doing that wouldn't cause a problem for us (in our particular situation), but what advantage did you gain for doing it? And is this a power specific to your character?
Re Deck upgrades: after looking through the available options of tier 1 cards, I'm unimpressed with Valeros' Ally 1 cards. I think the Helpful Haversack (Item 1) would be fun, but I'm happy to wait on that until later. So since it looks like we have 4 tier 1 cards for the 5 of us, I'm happy to be the odd one out this time around.
Can someone please explain what that means for my loot upgrade though? I think it means that I will trade one card that is already in my current deck for one other card (drawn from the Fighter deck as a whole), that is also a tier B card (but not necessarily a Basic trait card). Is that correct? For example, I could trade one of my Blessing of the Gods (Basic B) for a Blessing of Cayden (B). Correct?
Also, am I correct in thinking that the card I traded at the Sunburst Market for the Pahmet Clansman will now come back into my deck for the next scenario? (i.e. I only get Pahmet Clansman for this one scenario that we are just finishing).
Also, besides getting to upgrade 1 card for loot, am I correct in understanding that I'm going to get to check two boxes on my Cards List at the end of this scenario? If so, I think I'm going to check Blessings and Ally (bringing me up to 4 of each), on the theory that we have lots of healing in our party so it makes sense to have as many cards as possible that can be used to keep exploring. Does that make sense? Finally, how do I select the cards to add to my deck for these two new additions? I'm assuming that I would just add a Blessings B and an Ally B from the Fighter deck (but they wouldn't have to have the Basic trait). Yes? If so, I could - for example - a) use my loot upgrade to upgrade one Blessing of the Gods to Blessing of Cayden; b) use my new Ally checkbox to add Master at Arms to my deck; c) use my Blessings checkbox to add Blessing of Gorum to my deck.
How does that all sound? Thanks in advance for any advice!
Not sure what you mean. We had 6 turns left, Grazzle discarded 5 cards from his own deck for his healing power and even listed what cards he discarded.
We will still win unless Damiel rolls 2 1s on 2d10 plus the ability to reroll a die.
But we got this close to losing because we decided to wait for loot. Not saying it wasn't worth the risk but there is always risk when dice are involved.
Oh, and before I forget, rolling for a boon for this scenario that we are just completing.
Or not.
Btw, I wanted to express my appreciation to all of you for all your help and patience. I feel like I'm understanding the game much much better with each passing turn.
Not sure what you mean. We had 6 turns left, Grazzle discarded 5 cards from his own deck for his healing power and even listed what cards he discarded.
We will still win unless Damiel rolls 2 1s on 2d10 plus the ability to reroll a die.But we got this close to losing because we decided to wait for loot. Not saying it wasn't worth the risk but there is always risk when dice are involved.
Ah, maybe I misread. I thought he said he was discarding 5 cards from the Blessings Deck. My bad.
In any case, going offline again. Away with wife and kid for the weekend so chances to post will be sporadic until Monday night.
Re Deck upgrades: after looking through the available options of tier 1 cards, I'm unimpressed with Valeros' Ally 1 cards. I think the Helpful Haversack (Item 1) would be fun, but I'm happy to wait on that until later. So since it looks like we have 4 tier 1 cards for the 5 of us, I'm happy to be the odd one out this time around.
Can someone please explain what that means for my loot upgrade though? I think it means that I will trade one card that is already in my current deck for one other card (drawn from the Fighter deck as a whole), that is also a tier B card (but not necessarily a Basic trait card). Is that correct? For example, I could trade one of my Blessing of the Gods (Basic B) for a Blessing of Cayden (B). Correct?
Correct.
Also, am I correct in thinking that the card I traded at the Sunburst Market for the Pahmet Clansman will now come back into my deck for the next scenario? (i.e. I only get Pahmet Clansman for this one scenario that we are just finishing).
Correct.
Also, besides getting to upgrade 1 card for loot, am I correct in understanding that I'm going to get to check two boxes on my Cards List at the end of this scenario?
According to Yewstance Correct.
If so, I think I'm going to check Blessings and Ally (bringing me up to 4 of each), on the theory that we have lots of healing in our party so it makes sense to have as many cards as possible that can be used to keep exploring. Does that make sense?
Good call.
Finally, how do I select the cards to add to my deck for these two new additions? I'm assuming that I would just add a Blessings B and an Ally B from the Fighter deck (but they wouldn't have to have the Basic trait). Yes? If so, I could - for example - a) use my loot upgrade to upgrade one Blessing of the Gods to Blessing of Cayden; b) use my new Ally checkbox to add Master at Arms to my deck; c) use my Blessings checkbox to add Blessing of Gorum to my deck.
How does that all sound? Thanks in advance for any advice!
They would have to be basic unless you used your loot upgrade for one of them. So if you choose ally + blessing for your two card upgrades you would add one basic blessing and one basic ally to your deck. Then if you chose blessing B for loot you could upgrade one blessing in your deck from basic to B.
Got it. Thx.
With Valerose the only non caster in the party and some of us presumably adding even more spells to our deck I'm wondering if we shouldn't just go with the roll-off method after all.
So list your 3 preferred loots in order of most to least preferred and roll a d1000 by each. If multiple players want the same loot high roll gets it.
If one of the casters gets a string of bad luck and really needs an upgrade or we just really want a player to have specific spells. For example Grazzle and Restorative Touch, We just don't roll for a spell that time.
Since I asked for spell 1 and was given it last time I will skip spell this time around.
Thoughts?
Just to clarify some things. I do sometimes refer to the cards you've acquired as "Loot", but it's a very misleading term. Acquired cards can be used to take your Card Upgrades.
If you claim the Item 1 as your own, you can then swap one of the items in your deck with an Item B or Item 1 from your Fight Class Deck, Valeros. You do not have to take a card upgrade if you don't want, but there's usually a benefit in doing so. For this scenario, we get 2 card upgrades.
"Loot" has just been introduced. Loot in Organised Play refers to a pool of cards that players in the team can use in their decks for a scenario by switching out another card of the same type. Only one party member may use a given loot card for a scenario, but a different party member may choose to use it in the future. Right now we've got "Remove Curse" as our first real "loot" card, but future ones are going to be much more impressive.
Everything else seems perfectly accurate; please decide your card upgrades (and power feats for two of you) and roll for your Reward Boon if you haven't already here in Discussion!
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So 3 item 1s, 1 spell 1, and 1 ally 1.
Valeross mentioned wanting to add a Handy Haversack to his deck.
Darago mentioned adding Sapphire of Intelligence to his deck. But he also wants spell 1.
Damiel wants a spell 1 or ally 1.
Grazzle has no good options for item 1 so will want a spell or ally.
Lini has no good item 1s and is sitting out the spell.
I made a mistake with those choices. I forgot that I don't get ally cards. My new choices would be Item 1 > Spell 1 > Item B
I would've wanted a weapon or an armour, but we didn't acquire any.
[dice=boon?]d20
So 3 item 1s, 1 spell 1, and 1 ally 1.
Valeross mentioned wanting to add a Handy Haversack to his deck.
Darago mentioned adding Sapphire of Intelligence to his deck. But he also wants spell 1.
Damiel wants a spell 1 or ally 1.
Grazzle has no good options for item 1 so will want a spell or ally.
Lini has no good item 1s and is sitting out the spell.
In the list of acquired cards BR posted it looks like 3 item1, 1 ally1, and 1 spell1, so enough for everyone to get a level 1 upgrade, no?
That simplifies things. Darago and Grazzle get to roll off for the spell.
If Grazzle wins Darago takes the 3rd item 1 and I take Ally 1.
If Darago wins then odds are me and Grazzle will roll off for ally 1 and the item 1 goes to waste.
In the list of acquired cards BR posted it looks like 3 item1, 1 ally1, and 1 spell1, so enough for everyone to get a level 1 upgrade, no?
In theory yes but Grazzle and Lini don't have good lvl 1 item choices. Unless Grazzle found a hidden gem he wants.
I'm fine with that AD 1 upgrade distribution.
So right now I'm looking at:
Item 1 => Sapphire of Intelligence replace Codex (though I'm considering replacing Bracers of Protection. I already have 2 armors that I don't think I've ever used, do I really need the Bracers as well?)
Spell B => Acid Arrow replace Lightning Touch for damage type diversification.
Any thoughts?
Also, Unfortunate...
For my Power Feat I will expand my hand size from 4 to 5.
For Item 1, I will add Helpful Haversack to my deck. To do this, I have to remove one of my existing item cards, correct?
Am I also expanding my overall deck size? I thought I saw something indicating that we are all adding 2 cards to our decks, but that seems pretty significant and now I can’t find any confirmation of that.
I should delete (in the deck handler) all the additional cards that I added during the just-concluded scenario, yes?
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Yes you should delete all additional cards you gained. You're not expanding your deck size; you may pick 2 card upgrades, so you can swap 2 cards with better ones!
(Also, Darago, in my opinion, Bracers of Protection are worthless, since they only protect from combat damage, which is pretty rarely used outside of failing combat. But I don't know the Wizard Class Deck options)
Ok, just reread the thread and want to make sure I understand: we each get 2 card upgrades, *not* we each get to check 2 boxes on our cards list. Right?
And of the 2 upgrades, if I take Helpful Haversack (item 1) for one, for the other I just choose any B card from the Fighter deck (doesn’t have to have the Basic trait).
So, for example, when all is said and done, I still have 15 cards in my deck. One is now Helpful Haversack (replacing one of the Item B cards). One is, say, Blessing of Cayden (replacing Blessing of the Gods). I delete Pahmet Clansman and add back the card I traded for it (but I can visit Sunburst Market again and perhaps trade the same card away again). Yes?
Ok, just reread the thread and want to make sure I understand: we each get 2 card upgrades, *not* we each get to check 2 boxes on our cards list. Right?
Correct! Checking off boxes are "Card Feats". The terminology gets confusing at a point, but card upgrades just refer to switching cards out for better ones.
And of the 2 upgrades, if I take Helpful Haversack (item 1) for one, for the other I just choose any B card from the Fighter deck (doesn’t have to have the Basic trait).
You can pick any other acquired card that hasn't been claimed, so it could be a Deck B card or potentially something else. I think the party got a total of 3 Item 1 boons, for example, so perhaps you could pick 2 Item 1 boons, depending on what the table wants.
So, for example, when all is said and done, I still have 15 cards in my deck. One is now Helpful Haversack (replacing one of the Item B cards). One is, say, Blessing of Cayden (replacing Blessing of the Gods). I delete Pahmet Clansman and add back the card I traded for it (but I can visit Sunburst Market again and perhaps trade the same card away again). Yes?
That's all correct! If you want, when you 'trade away' a card, just type the card name in your "Set Aside" section on your Deck Handler, that will mean it's treated as if it's not in your deck (but you don't have to clear it out of your DON'T LOOK tab).
Ok, finally got it! Makes much more sense - I was thinking adding 2 cards to the deck seemed too good to be true.
Power feat - expanded hand size
Card upgrade 1: remove Signal Whistle and add Helpful Haversack
Card upgrade 2: don’t know yet, will need to review options.
I'll take 2 Blessings B.
Failing that, I'll take the Spell 1 and a Blessing B.
Failing that, I'll take an Item 1 and a Blessing B.
And finally failing that, just take 1 Blessing B.
Grazzle still has to roll for his Player Upgrade. Valeros still needs to pick a second card upgrade.
Let me know if anything looks wrong with these card upgrades, based on everyone's statements so far.
REWARD SUMMARY -- SCENARIO 3-2B: THIS ONE TIME AT ASPIS CAMP
AAUGHWHY // Darago - Item 1 + Spell B
Abraham Z. // Valeros - Item 1 + ________ + Power Feat: Hand Size 5
khazkhaz // Damiel - Item 1 + Item B + Power Feat: Non-Combat check improvements
bigguyinblack // Lini - Ally 1 + Blessing B
GM Andrew // Grazzle - Spell 1 + Blessing B
Valeros mentioned wanting to upgrade one of his blessings to B. But we only got 2 blessings. So I will switch from Blessing B to Ally B and replace Frilled Lizard with Mastiff (Ally B)
Valeros mentioned wanting to upgrade one of his blessings to B. But we only got 2 blessings. So I will switch from Blessing B to Ally B and replace Frilled Lizard with Mastiff (Ally B)
No need to do that. Now that I understand what’s happening, Valeros will use his second upgrade to upgrade one of his weapons to Ranseur (Weapon B).
Does anyone without weapon proficiency need me to give them a simple weapon?
Sadly, as unlikely as it seems; nobody actually picked up a Weapon B (or any weapon) during that scenario, sorry. :(
Let's streamline this for next time. After the potential upgrades are listed let's list our top 5 preferred upgrades. Or less then 5 if you don't have that many upgrade options. Then roll 1d1000 next to each choice. Then it is easy to tell who gets what upgrade.
Sadly, as unlikely as it seems; nobody actually picked up a Weapon B (or any weapon) during that scenario, sorry. :(
Ah, good point. Will upgrade Blessings of the Gods to blessing of Cayden. Ok?
Let's streamline this for next time. After the potential upgrades are listed let's list our top 5 preferred upgrades. Or less then 5 if you don't have that many upgrade options. Then roll 1d1000 next to each choice. Then it is easy to tell who gets what upgrade.
Mine are now listed in my stat line.
At Sunburnt Market I’ll trade my long sword for Blessing of the Ancients (or of the Elements if that’s already taken). Ok?
Favored card: weapon.
Will start at Precious Mine. Don’t care about turn order but may not be able to take turn until tomorrow night
Final Card Upgrades:
Item 1: Sapphire of Intelligence replaces Bracers of Protection
Spell B: Acid Arrow replaces 1 Lightning Touch
Sunburst Market: Trade Rapier for Blessing of the Elements
I'll post this in the gameplay thread with my starting hand also.
So my upgrades are ally and ally B then.
I think I already did this but I can actually list my planned upgrades for the first 4 levels.
Level 1
After next Scenario will pick spell as my card feat. Will probably be a Viper Strike but hoping to upgrade it to Charm Animal (Spell 1)
Well upgrade my blessings with my other upgrades because no other spell 1s I want.
Level 2
Priority is Holy Javelin (Spell 2) Divine +2d8, +2d12 vs outsider, undead, henchman, or villain replacing Fireblade.
Secondary is Ghost Whip (Spell 2) Divine +2d8, Extra d8 vs Incorporeal replacing Frigid Blast.
No other planned upgrades besides blessings.
Level 3
Priority is adding Seaborne Trident (Weapon 3) to my deck but that won't be until after the 4th scenario.
Priority spells are Divine Blaze (Spell 3) Divine +3d8 +1 more d8 vs undead replacing Ghost Whip.
And Restorative Touch (Spell 3) Cure spell + banishes 2 curses replacing Cure.
Couple of Divine +3d6 spells I could take but no other upgrades at this level.
Level 4.
Priority Channel the Gift (Spell 4) Discard to let anyone search their deck for a spell and put it into their hand.
I could add my 4th Blessing of Pharasma (Blessing 4) and Bear (Ally 4) is another ally that discards to explore.
But no other upgrades.
So as you can see, 1 weapon, No armor, no items, No good allies.
I'm kind of restricted on upgrades.
To save Yewstance some sanity points we should try to come up with a turn order that sets it up so that when someone can post it is their turn. I have easy access to the site throughout the day so can usually take my turn anywhere from about 8:00 Am EDT to 10:00 PM EDT.
Please post what time or times you usually have available to take your turn.
I'm most available from ~7:00 PM - 12 PM PDT (10 PM - 3 AM EDT).
The turn order we had last scenario would have actually been perfect if Grazzle and I had been switched because Grazzle would take his turn when I was asleep and then I would wake up a little early to take mine before work; but there was around 5 hours after I got home when I could have taken my turn so that it would be Grazzle's turn as I was sleeping.
Though this might be different now because I think Grazzle switched Timezones? IIRC, he mentioned at some point that he was in Asia for a few weeks, but now he's back on East Coast US?
That's correct, Darago.
I will be most active at about 6:30-7:30 AM, and 6:00-8:00 PM EDT now.
On weekends, it's most likely just the 6:30-7:30 AM slot.
Very hard to predict when I'll be online. Generally not at all from 1am to 10 am EST (sleep, getting the baby up, etc.) but otherwise my schedule really varies a lot from day to day, especially depending on whether or not I'm on childcare. This weekend I was traveling with the wife and kid, so that has meant really only able to take turns at night. Also, I'm finding that it's pretty difficult to take my turns except when I have access to my computer (as opposed to iphone or ipad).
Oh well. This is Lini's 4th scenario so I will be adding a spell as my card feat.
I will be going to Gen Con next week (Heading over there Wednesday, August 1). Not sure if others here will be, but it will be hard to post during that time.
I'm slowly wrapping my head around how the leveling process works in PACG. I think it's:
1. upgrade 1 card in your deck every scenario
1a. The pool of available upgrades is from your original class deck (and possibly 1 add-on deck if you have one).
1b. You are limited by the cards that you acquired in the just-ended scenario. If no Weapon 1 card was acquired, you can't select a Weapon 1 card from your deck.
1c. You are limited by your fellow party members' selections of upgrades. If only one Armor 1 card was found, and two players both want that upgrade, only one of them can actually take that upgrade.
1d. The basic trait matters when you first build your deck at the very beginning of playing your PC, and doesn't matter after that for card upgrade choices. (Yes? - not so sure about this one).
2. specific scenarios may offer additional rewards. Last scenario, we got an extra card upgrade. We don't know yet whether this scenario (that has just ended) has any particular rewards.
3. Additional rewards (feats) are received based on the number of scenarios that a PC has played. After scenario 1, I got to check one box in the Skills section of my PC card (skill feat). After scenario 2, I got to check one box in the Powers section (power feat). After this scenario (#3 for me), I won't get any feats. After the next scenario (#4), I'll get to add a single card to my deck, expanding it from 15 cards to 16 (card feat); (I'm not sure what the process will be for choosing which card this will be). I'll get no feats for scenarios 5 & 6, but will then repeat the same sequence starting with scenario 7. Yes?
Tl;dr: unless there's a special reward particular to the scenario, I think the only change that I need to make now is a single card upgrade, correct?
Looking through the Fighter Class Deck, I'm surprised by how underwhelming most of the tier 1 cards seem to be. Am I missing something?
Weapon - The shock glaive is good, but I already have that. The other two tier 1 options, +1 Cestus and Lucerne Hammer, both seem weaker than the tier B Ranseur or Glaive.
Armor - can't see how either tier 1 option (Elven Breastplate or Magic Wooden Armor) is a meaningful improvement over tier B Chainmail.
Item - I've already added the Helpful Haversack and I'm tempted to add the Staff of Minor Healing, though in our particular group with so much healing already available it's probably unnecessary.
Ally - both tier 1 options (Soldier and Squire) seem worse than the tier B options.
Blessing - Blessing of Abadar definitely seems like a worthwhile upgrade. And I can see how Blessing of Pharasma is good, though not particularly for Valeros. And Blessing of Gorum is already available as a tier B card, so I'm unclear why you would "spend" a tier 1 slot for it.
What am I missing? I thought I would be torn between multiple good choices and instead I'm hard pressed to see how many of these options make my deck better than what I already have. And it doesn't seem like the tier 2 options are any more exciting.
In any case, based on all of this, I believe my upgrade preferences will be, in descending order of preference:
1. Blessings 1 (if we got one?) for Blessing of Abadar.
2. Weapon B (if we got one?) for Ranseur.
3. ?