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National Novel Writing Month
Tensor,

Goth Priestess Final avatar

Who is going to brave NaNoWriMo this year? It happens the month of November each year.

o The >NaNoWriMo< website.

o Funny >youtube< stuff.

Andoran Montalve (Pathfinder Chronicles Superscriber; Planet Stories Subscriber),

Iomedae Final avatar

thanks for the links

Tensor,

Goth Priestess Final avatar

My basic writing plan this year will be 2,000 words each morning. I start at 8am sharp, but only have ~90 minutes before life begins for the day. Plus, 30 minutes of planning each evening for the next day.

Kobold Cleaver,

Kobold avatar

I am doing this, and looking forward to it.

Andoran taig (Paizo Superscriber),

Deschamps-10 Werewolverines avatar

I am seriously considering it.

I just have to find some discipline...

Andoran Montalve (Pathfinder Chronicles Superscriber; Planet Stories Subscriber),

Iomedae Final avatar

taig wrote:
I am seriously considering it.

I just have to find some discipline...


i need time :s
that the issue with me... life begins at 7 and ends at 7 :P with some other time for myself so its a complicated matter.

Andoran taig (Paizo Superscriber),

Deschamps-10 Werewolverines avatar

Montalve wrote:
taig wrote:
I am seriously considering it.

I just have to find some discipline...


i need time :s
that the issue with me... life begins at 7 and ends at 7 :P with some other time for myself so its a complicated matter.

Yeah, I can see how that would be a problem. You'd basically be doing "life" stuff, then writing the rest of your waking hours.

Ambrosia Slaad,

Blackgodskiss avatar

Tensor wrote:
Who is going to brave NaNoWriMo this year?...

Maybe. I tried it a couple years ago, but gave up halfway through... some truly horrible writing. But I just rented Transformers II this morning, and I'm pretty sure anything I write this year has to be better than that sinkhole of utter excrement.

Or maybe write porn. Either way the bar is pretty low.

Tensor,

Goth Priestess Final avatar

Does anyone know the rules? Is it ok to start early?

Kobold Cleaver,

Kobold avatar

Tensor wrote:
Does anyone know the rules? Is it ok to start early?


No. The idea is that you cram out 150 pages in only a month. The whole idea being that you edit later, and that your writing can be of terrible quality. All that matters is that you get it done.

Andoran Montalve (Pathfinder Chronicles Superscriber; Planet Stories Subscriber),

Iomedae Final avatar

taig wrote:
Montalve wrote:
taig wrote:
I am seriously considering it.

I just have to find some discipline...


i need time :s
that the issue with me... life begins at 7 and ends at 7 :P with some other time for myself so its a complicated matter.

Yeah, I can see how that would be a problem. You'd basically be doing "life" stuff, then writing the rest of your waking hours.

the idea doesn't bother me THAT much, just no videogames... but my roleplaying games would suffer

besides :S i wouldn'tbe writing for the PF Chronicler for a moth, nor editing non nothing else :S

Jason Fryer,

11550 620 21 Wolf avatar

Thank you for sharing this. Indeed, this may be the kick-in-the-arse I needed. I've done something similar in the past. Cranked out three to six pages each day, every day for a month. The results were… questionable, but at least I had a ‘complete’ novel in front of me. It’ll be tough slogging though, but it’ll be worth it in the end.

Paizo Employee Gary Teter (PostMonster General),

Arcanaton Avatar

Holy crap!

FAQ wrote:
The real prize in NaNoWriMo is the manuscript itself, and the exhilarating feeling of setting an ambitious creative goal and nailing it. And the $1,000,000.

Count me in!
FAQ wrote:
Just kidding about the $1,000,000!

D'oh!!

Osirion Thoth-Amon the Mindflayerian,

Flayer avatar

I'm also involved this year. Can't wait.

Cheliax Sebastian (Bella Sara Charter Superscriber),

Bella Sebastian

I'm going to do it too, but my goal will be to write 50k words here on Paizo in 30 days. Be prepared for an unending stream of veiled insults, condescending a~%%*#%ry, hollow threats, and general incomprehensible nonsense from yours truly.

In other words, just like my normal posts, but at a much higher volume.

Taldor Cpt_kirstov (Pathfinder Chronicles Charter Superscriber; Pathfinder Roleplaying Game Subscriber),

4 Rukus 2 avatar

Sebastian wrote:
I'm going to do it too, but my goal will be to write 50k words here on Paizo in 30 days.

my goal is similar 50,000 words on the wiki in 30 days

Paizo Employee Gary Teter (PostMonster General),

Arcanaton Avatar

Sebastian wrote:
In other words, just like my normal posts, but at a much higher volume.

You mean even louder?

Cheliax Sebastian (Bella Sara Charter Superscriber),

Bella Sebastian

Gary Teter wrote:
Sebastian wrote:
In other words, just like my normal posts, but at a much higher volume.

You mean even louder?

YES. WAS THAT NOT CLEAR FROM MY POST?!?!?

Tensor,

Goth Priestess Final avatar

Day 1: 674 words; Total: 674 words

:: ~1 hour. This is hard. When I started I had no idea what my story would be about, but the first chapter is forming all by itself. I now have 4 or 5 characters in mind, and know where the next 2-3 chapters should go.

Andoran taig (Paizo Superscriber),

Deschamps-10 Werewolverines avatar

Tensor wrote:
Day 1: 674 words; Total: 674 words

:: ~1 hour. This is hard.


Good luck, Tensor.

I figured out I can't realistically do it this year, but I am going to step up my production this month.

Kobold Cleaver,

Kobold avatar

It begins.
I'm doing 7 pages a day. At least, that's the plan. I'll just check Paizo in the morning other than that, I'll be working.

Lyingbastard,

My problem is coming up with a story I can write 175 pages on, that I can't take to a publisher.

Cheliax Kevin Mack (Pathfinder Chronicles Superscriber; Pathfinder Roleplaying Game Subscriber),

Gorum Color avatar

Okay I am going to be honest I really don't see the point in this. I mean I have always felt writing should come naturally and because you want to tell a story Not because someone tells you to do it some random month.

Tensor,

Goth Priestess Final avatar

Kobold Cleaver wrote:
It begins.
I'm doing 7 pages a day. At least, that's the plan. I'll just check Paizo in the morning other than that, I'll be working.

What size font? You only need 40,000 words.

Andoran Heathansson,

Werewolf avatar

If I was to start it out like,
"The night was dark, and I'll be damned if it wasn't stormy too...."
would that be a bad start?

Kobold Cleaver,

Kobold avatar

Kevin Mack wrote:
Okay I am going to be honest I really don't see the point in this. I mean I have always felt writing should come naturally and because you want to tell a story Not because someone tells you to do it some random month.

Actually, the idea is that NaNoWriMo is a way to motivate yourself. It's sort of a 'quick and dirty' route: You write the novel as fast as you can, and you can edit it later. Where's the harm? It's fun, it helps us get the writing done, and you get the honor of having written 150 pages in a month.
LyingBastard (is that name allowed?): Actually, I believe it's 150 pages, and you CAN submit it to a publisher. The NaNo folks delete the story from their databases when the month is up.

Paizo Employee Erik Mona (Publisher),

Rel avatar

Kevin Mack wrote:
Okay I am going to be honest I really don't see the point in this. I mean I have always felt writing should come naturally and because you want to tell a story Not because someone tells you to do it some random month.

The point is discipline and getting off your ass and actually DOING it.

Which sometimes takes a clever gimmick.

Andoran Heathansson,

Werewolf avatar

Plus, like, if people don't have a deadline, well.....they usually just try to get it done some time before they're actually dead.

Kobold Cleaver,

Kobold avatar

Kevin Mack wrote:
Sorry still not getting it. I mean if you are having to wait for someone to tell you to do it in a month to get motivated to begin with Instead of being motivated by excitement for the actual story. well it just seems somewhat soulless to me

Dude, we wouldn't be doing it if we didn't enjoy writing. This is a fun group activity to do, I don't see why it needs more point than enjoyment.
/\You answered your own question, sort of. At least, the question you might have asked, 'why no prize', or 'why no proof'. This isn't a competition, if someone wants to parade around and say 'whoo I did it', good for them, but they won't get any pride from it unless they actually did it.

Cheliax James Martin,

Green avatar

Kevin Mack wrote:
Sorry still not getting it. I mean if you are having to wait for someone to tell you to do it in a month to get motivated to begin with Instead of being motivated by excitement for the actual story. well it just seems somewhat soulless to me.

Edit as a sidenote is there actually a prize for doing this and is there actually anyway to prove that the writing you have done has all been within that one month?


Then you are definitely not the target market. Accept it.

Kobold Cleaver,

Kobold avatar

Kevin Mack wrote:
Admittedly I guess I don't get it since I spend a lot of time on fan fiction boards where the idea of a deadline is none existent. The next chapter is done when it is ready.

SO have you ever finished a novel?
I haven't. That's why I'm doing it. Procrastinators unite!

Kobold Cleaver,

Kobold avatar

And Kevin
"Well, you're entitled to your own opinion, but I think that this game where you make-believe with dice and stuff seems kinda pointless. If yo need dice and rulebooks that weigh five tons to help you Roleplay, then maybe you're in the wrong line of work."
At least, that's I how read it.

Kobold Cleaver,

Kobold avatar

Tensor wrote:
I delete it.


Ah, sorry. Thank you. I will edit my post.

Cheliax Kevin Mack (Pathfinder Chronicles Superscriber; Pathfinder Roleplaying Game Subscriber),

Gorum Color avatar

Deleted most of mine as well. I apologise if I caused any offence with my questions it was not my intent

tdewitt274 (Pathfinder Chronicles Charter Superscriber; Pathfinder Roleplaying Game, GameMastery Cards Subscriber),

Orcus avatar

Not trying to get this somewhat back on track or anything ; )

I'm not much of a writer. Never have been. However, it intrigues me. I can come up with character ideas, but I can't come up with a story idea if it came up and slapped me upside the head with a wrecking ball.

Is there something out there that has ideas for plots (probably the wrong word for it). To clarify, whole "this is why you're doing it" thing. The expansion of "Man vs Man", "Man vs Nature", etc. A "man abducts woman for a handsom bounty and will kill anyone that gets in the way of his profit." Maybe that wasn't clear, but if I at least could get some kind of idea, maybe then I could write an adventure...

Now, I'll say I didn't read up on the links, but I wonder how this would work in a programming/coding nature? I can code until my heart's content, but for each 10 "words" of code, I probably will end up with 5 "words" of actual content. Dang bugs and errors ; )

Charles Evans 25,

Kevin Mack:
As to the general philosophy of this event, a couple of points occur to me:
1) If you are a professional writer and your publisher says 'write me 50,000 words by the end of the month' then, unless your name is J.K. Rowling, I imagine that you have to write those 50,000 words by the end of the month or go hungry.... In that context, I suspect this could be good practice for those who have aspirations to some day be published.
2) Some people may have a yearning to write a novel but tend to defer it, and defer it, and defer it... and never get anything done without being set goals by an institution and format such as this.

How many of these words being written by hundreds of different people might actually be worth anything except to those who wrote them and their immediate circle of friends and relatives? Very few words I suspect. Does that mean that the time spent writing them is wasted? In my opinion not at all, so long as those doing it derive a sense of satisfaction, or something else from it. If nothing else, they could have spent all those hours doing something passive and brain-rotting, instead of actually having to sit and think.

Kobold Cleaver,

Kobold avatar

Hisssss! Topicsessss! We doesssn't likesssss themssss, no we doessssn't!

Charles Evans 25,

tdewitt274 wrote:
Not trying to get this somewhat back on track or anything ; )

I'm not much of a writer. Never have been. However, it intrigues me. I can come up with character ideas, but I can't come up with a story idea if it came up and slapped me upside the head with a wrecking ball.

Is there something out there that has ideas for plots (probably the wrong word for it). To clarify, whole "this is why you're doing it" thing. The expansion of "Man vs Man", "Man vs Nature", etc. A "man abducts woman for a handsom bounty and will kill anyone that gets in the way of his profit." Maybe that wasn't clear, but if I at least could get some kind of idea, maybe then I could write an adventure...

Now, I'll say I didn't read up on the links, but I wonder how this would work in a programming/coding nature? I can code until my heart's content, but for each 10 "words" of code, I probably will end up with 5 "words" of actual content. Dang bugs and errors ; )


Can't help you with an adventure, but if you're writing a story then what about coming up with a bunch of characters and backgrounds, then stick them all in a tavern, toss a random event such as someone being assassinated at the next table into it, and see what happens from there? You don't know the overall scheme of things, but then hey, your characters don't either. Maybe it will turn into something resembling a mystery, and once you get to the end, you can go back and rewrite/edit bits to make more sense....

tdewitt274 (Pathfinder Chronicles Charter Superscriber; Pathfinder Roleplaying Game, GameMastery Cards Subscriber),

Orcus avatar

Charles Evans 25 wrote:
...then stick them all in a tavern, toss a random event such as someone being assassinated at the next table into it, and see what happens from there...

Actually, it's that kind of stuff I'm looking for. In the end, an adventure (RPG adventure) is an outline of a book. Everything that characters do is what makes it a novel.

I'm the kind of person that makes things a reality, a "doer". I don't come up with my own ideas, that's usually someone else or I find a need for something. I don't say "I'm going to make a widget that someone wants", I say ""I'm going to make a widget that someone needs".

Charles Evans 25,

tdewitt274 wrote:
Charles Evans 25 wrote:
...then stick them all in a tavern, toss a random event such as someone being assassinated at the next table into it, and see what happens from there...

Actually, it's that kind of stuff I'm looking for. In the end, an adventure (RPG adventure) is an outline of a book. Everything that characters do is what makes it a novel.

I'm the kind of person that makes things a reality, a "doer". I don't come up with my own ideas, that's usually someone else or I find a need for something. I don't say "I'm going to make a widget that someone wants", I say ""I'm going to make a widget that someone needs".


(edited)
I'm unsure now that I have understood correctly what you're looking for?
However I have an idea that James Jacobs has commented in chats and other places that Novel Writing for Publication and Adventure Writing for Publication are two very different beasts.
If you're looking for advice about writing an Adventure for Publication, I don't know that advice about writing a novel will carry over very well....
Even as an amateur I'm reasonably confident stringing together stories (silly or otherwise) in the novel/fiction sense, but my attempts to respond to Pathfinder Society Open Calls or RPG Superstar have frankly sucked beyond belief, and I simply ignore the open calls now because I recognise how out of my depth I am with the format. The two formats are looking for completely different things. I wish I could remember James Jacobs' exact description of the differences between the writing requirements, because I think it might be helpful here, and would be much clearer than any attempts I could make to explain them...
If you're looking for suggestions/help coming up with a publishable adventure to run under Pathfinder or some other RPG I think you might be best starting a thread specifically for it, rather than looking for novel-writing help.

Edit:
Possibly James Jacobs may have commented on novels versus adventure modules on one of the various Golarion fiction threads around the place.
But if you go away and look at books of adventure modules (or vice-versa) you'll be able to see that what is good in one format doesn't always cross over terribly well into the other, for one reason or another.

Cheliax DM_aka_Dudemeister (Pathfinder Adventure Path Subscriber),

Mask avatar

Heathansson wrote:
Plus, like, if people don't have a deadline, well.....they usually just try to get it done some time before they're actually dead.

Knowing me and Deadlines, I still would see if I could get an extension for another couple of weeks AFTER I'm dead. I rarely get the lead out until the deadline is RIGHT THERE.

That being said I'm giving NaNoWriMo a go this year, so wish me luck.

Andoran taig (Paizo Superscriber),

Deschamps-10 Werewolverines avatar

Best of luck to all of you who are participating this year!

tdewitt274 (Pathfinder Chronicles Charter Superscriber; Pathfinder Roleplaying Game, GameMastery Cards Subscriber),

Orcus avatar

Charles Evans 25 wrote:
(edited)
I'm unsure now that I have understood correctly what you're looking for?
However I have an idea that James Jacobs has commented in chats and other places that Novel Writing for Publication and Adventure Writing for Publication are two very different beasts.
If you're looking for advice about writing an Adventure for Publication, I don't know that advice about writing a novel will carry over very well....
Even as an amateur I'm reasonably confident stringing together stories (silly or otherwise) in the novel/fiction sense, but my attempts to respond to Pathfinder Society Open Calls or RPG Superstar have frankly sucked beyond belief, and I simply ignore the open calls now because I recognise how out of my depth I am with the format. The two formats are looking for completely different things. I wish I could remember James Jacobs' exact description of the differences between the writing requirements, because I think it might be helpful here, and would be much clearer than any attempts I could make to explain them...
If you're looking for suggestions/help coming up with a publishable adventure to run under Pathfinder or some other RPG I think you might be best starting a thread specifically for it, rather than looking for novel-writing help.

Edit:
Possibly James Jacobs may have commented on...


You have some good points. I may have to create a new string for this subject.

While my intents aren't for publication, mostly to entertain a group with a good adventure, it makes sense that the two aren't the same. The whole "coming up with an idea" is pretty much where I get stuck.

If there's something out there with archetypes (kidnapping, murder, overtrow the government, etc) for stories with suggestions on how to twist them so they aren't the same story, I'd pick it up in a second!

Charles Evans 25,

tdewitt274 wrote:
You have some good points. I may have to create a new string for this subject.

While my intents aren't for publication, mostly to entertain a group with a good adventure, it makes sense that the two aren't the same. The whole "coming up with an idea" is pretty much where I get stuck.

If there's something out there with archetypes (kidnapping, murder, overtrow the government, etc) for stories with suggestions on how to twist them so they aren't the same story, I'd pick it up in a second!


Try back issues of Dungeon, maybe. They had a 'Dungeoncraft' column at one time, and I would have thought that what you're asking about (or at least something very similar) might have been covered there at some point, or at least in another article.

Tensor,

Goth Priestess Final avatar

Day 2: 850; Total: 1,524

:: <1 hour.

Lyingbastard,

Tensor wrote:
Day 2: 850; Total: 1,524

:: <1 hour.


Impressive.

Curaigh,

TSR 95053-30 avatar

I signed up on October 31st and started last night. I have heard about this for some time now and am finally giving it a shot.

Day 1: 680ish. (way too slow to make it).

Curaigh,

TSR 95053-30 avatar

tdewitt274 wrote:
...
If there's something out there with archetypes (kidnapping, murder, overtrow the government, etc) for stories with suggestions on how to twist them so they aren't the same story, I'd pick it up in a second!

Actually there are places online just for this sort of thing. I might recommend posting something in the word games or gamer life sections with thread topic: kidnapping plot--needs help, and see who offers what.

This if from an email the NaNoWriMo autobot sent me:

Spoiler:
If you're still having trouble coming up with an idea, there are plenty of places for you to look. You can start in the NaNoWriMo forums. I tend to favor the Dares thread -- always a long, usually multi-part (it gets split up for being so popular) thread where people dare you to write certain characters, events, or other nonsense into your novel. Some people build their novels on dares. This year again, I am planning to use a few, if only for inspiration, but my main idea really came from the dares thread. Dares can be found in Plot Doctoring. That same forum category has plenty of other Adoptable Stuff: characters, scenes, deaths, quirks, and so much more.

Or, you can hang out in the genre forums. Pick the one you'd like to write and start reading the messages. There's nothing wrong with adopting and adapting someone else's idea. What are the chances your novel would be the same even based on the same initial idea really? I know my novels don't always end up quite where I meant for them to go, even when they are my own ideas.

And there's plenty of other stuff online. Go to link (that's the charity link for The Office of Letters and Light) and search "plot generator" to find many sites that will generate random plots. You may pick one, refresh it a few times, something outrageous or ridiculous will come up, and you'll have a sudden light bulb moment and know what to write about!

Tensor wrote:
Day 2: 850; Total: 1,524

:: <1 hour.


Wow nice jump. Should get easier now, then harder, then easier then...

Kobold Cleaver,

Kobold avatar

My goal is to do 3,000 words a day, which should give me a decent buffer. Although I fell about 500 words short yesterday.

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