This is the OOC discussion thread for the Pathfinder/Red Hand and More game.

I can usually post everyday, but sometimes IC isn't available. (When posting from my Blackberry) so feel free to make rolls for me when I can't reach it. Alternatly I always carry my dice with me, and could make the rolls physically and post them then.

I'm out of town till late Thursday, but will try to squeeze in shopping, and spells.

About backstory. I prefer to have it discovered during play than have an essay buried on the character's profile. I have a solid past for Tate, and would like to reveal it slowly. I am hoping that the characters are not assumed to know each other, and are going to introduce themselves in the game. Things like alignment of the rest of the party, class and spells are not really in our characters to know, so I am not going to read any of the other stat blocks, so please don't misunderstand when Tate asks the other characters some questions.

If this is difficult, let me know, and I will type up a bio, but personally, I think I want a bit of mystery about my lanky rogue.

Similarly, I will describe him in thread.

The tale of Lucky Hans:

As a young boy, Hans lived alone with his father Josef on the outskirts of a forest in the far-away country of Ustalav. His mother died when he was just a baby, but his father (a poor but honest woodcutter) raised him the best way he knew how.

But as the years went by, his father grew tired and lonely and looked for a new wife. One night, a beautiful young woman caught his eye and he fell under her spell immediately. Soon the two were married. But Hans didn't like his new stepmother; she never went out during the day, and he saw his father growing weaker and weaker before his very eyes. His stepmother hated Hans as well, and finally one night she ordered Hans's father to take him out and kill him. The weak old man didn't dare to disobey his wife, but he didn't have the heart to kill his own son, so instead he led him out into the haunted wood and left him there to die.

Luckily, some kind sprites discovered the young boy and took pity on him. They raised him as one of their own, teaching him a few simple magic tricks and the secrets of talking with animals. When he turned 16, he heard the sad news that his father had died and his stepmother had disappeared without a trace. With no family left to hold him to Ustalav, he grew restless and declared his intent to see the world. The fey bid him a tearful farewell, and he has been travelling Golarion ever since.

Hi, I'm "JZ". Just posting to let you know I'm working on Sevegny, a human priestess of Calistra.

There's two sides to every story and at least two stories to Diego... As Diego tells it, he's the son of an Elven princess and a Human hero who fell madly in love, gave birth to a child foretold by prophecy and then were tragically slain by Evil Forces. The child, Diego himself, grew up raised by his village to be a Champion against the Darkness, and has now Gone Forth to find his Way.

Of course, every time he tells it the story seems to change...

What is known is that he grew up in Nirmanthas, disdains the aloofness of elves and considers himself quite the dashing rogue. He's full of himself, quick to anger but quick to forgive and prone to talking himself into trouble.

He's also covered in bronze scales, is quite tall and leanly muscled and his fingers end not in nails, but delicate claws that he keeps finely manicured.

Here's what I've got on Cal, as of now:

Cal is native to Molthune, where he earned his citizenship by serving in the army for the requisite five years. He has been working in law enforcement for the past seven years in Molthune. Recently, he has become interested in the history and culture of Cheliax. Although he does not particularly care for the empire's association with devils, he has been severely impressed by the Order of Hellknights, and is now driven by the goal of eventually joining their ranks. To this end, he is seeking outstanding opportunities to train and develop his already considerable martial skills.

Cal believes in discipline, civilization, and human culture. As far as the gods go, he respects them all, and particularly reveres Abadar, Irori, and Aroden; the latter despite the fact that he is a dead god.

About backstory. I prefer to have it discovered during play than have an essay buried on the character's profile. I have a solid past for Tate, and would like to reveal it slowly. I am hoping that the characters are not assumed to know each other, and are going to introduce themselves in the game. Things like alignment of the rest of the party, class and spells are not really in our characters to know, so I am not going to read any of the other stat blocks, so please don't misunderstand when Tate asks the other characters some questions.

If this is difficult, let me know, and I will type up a bio, but personally, I think I want a bit of mystery about my lanky rogue.

Similarly, I will describe him in thread.

For DM Nightwish

This is what I have so far. Sorry.

For DM Nightwish

** spoiler omitted **

-or-

Nightwish5121@yahoo.com

Either one will work. Anyone who has background information or questions they want to share privately, feel free to email me at either of the above email addresses. The first one is a work address, but I own the company (Service St. Louis), so no worries.

This is what I have so far. Sorry.

OK, thank you ! As you can see, I'm a noob with Pathfinder. And I'm not that great with 3.5 to begin with.

OK, thank you ! As you can see, I'm a noob with Pathfinder. And I'm not that great with 3.5 to begin with.

Slowly coming along. I work Friday, Saturday, Sunday but have off Monday; I can still post intermittently on the weekend. Apologies to the crew, but once I have her feats and items finished I'll post more timely.

Questions

We get bonus hit point or skill point per level in favored class correct ? Is anyone aware of any Intelligence based Weapons Feat that can stack or used with Weapon Finesse ?

I've got my skills and feats picked out. I'm going uber-Xena and choosing Intimidate, Weapon Focus with my whip and Dazzling Display (intimidate all within a 30' radius.) Whip-pah pah pah !

Slowly coming along. I work Friday, Saturday, Sunday but have off Monday; I can still post intermittently on the weekend. Apologies to the crew, but once I have her feats and items finished I'll post more timely.

Questions

We get bonus hit point or skill point per level in favored class correct ? Is anyone aware of any Intelligence based Weapons Feat that can stack or used with Weapon Finesse ?

Improved Disarm - disarm opponents without drawing an Attack of Opportunity.

Improved Feint - feint as a move action, rather than a standard action (meaning you could feint and attack in the same round). Feint requires a successful Bluff check, and if successful subtracts the opponent's Dex bonus from his AC.

Not Int-based, but you could also benefit from Two-Weapon and Improved Two-Weapon fighting and Two-Weapon Defense. Those are all Dex-based, but I don't see anything in the descriptions that says you can't use them together with Weapon Finesse, and I don't recall seeing anwhere that you can't stack feats that go off the same ability (though some specific feats state that they can't stack, such as Whirlwind Attack).

As far as posting time, don't worry about it. I'll get the adventure started this evening, but the group probably won't be all together right at the start, you'll be meeting each other in role-play, so I can always just have them meet your character last if your work schedule has you away for a day or three.

Here's Sevegny's background. Everyone can read the spoilers, or leave it if you would rather find out from Sevegny herself. Try not to laugh, too hard.

Okay, our player from the Wicca Forums board has confirmed she will be joining us. Hopefully she'll have a character up in a day or two. I'll start bringing the characters together ingame tomorrow and Sunday, then once you've all met, we'll start the game proper.

Hello, I'm the a fore mentioned person from the Wiccan forums.I'm in the process of downloading the book. I'll have a character hopefully sometime very soon (depending on how inspired I'm feeling). Can't wait to start.

Welcome to the Paizo forums, Celest!

Oh, an additional note to those of you who are taking levels in your favored classes. According to the designer notes, levels in a favored class will confer either a +1 bonus per level to hit points or to skill points. I am going to overrule that for my game. Since skill points are pretty low in Pathfinder, and you're going to be going up against some strong opponents, I'm going to let you do both - if you have levels in a favored class, you can take both the +1 hit points and +1 skill points per level.

Okay, I'm going over everybody's characters one at a time, just to check the math and make sure nothing was missed. Not that I don't trust you guys, but I find that often times when the math is wrong, it is wrong to the detriment of the character, and I don't any of you undercutting yourselves!

Okay, first up is Cal.

Calumbrust Ozar

And, next up is ...

Tate Argensier

Also, were you finished shopping? It looks like you spent just a little over 12,000, which would leave you with just under 4,000 gold. You don't have to spend it right now, I was just wondering.

Cal, on the skills where I calculated what your score would be with and without armor, add one to each of those for the "with armor" side, because I forgot that magical armor (indeed, any masterworked armor) reduces the Armor Check Penalty by one, so your ACP is -3, not -4.

And, next is ...

Lucky Hans

And, next is ...

Lucky Hans

** spoiler omitted **

Nightwish wrote:

And, next is ...

Lucky Hans

** spoiler omitted **

** spoiler omitted **

I'll proofread Diego and Sevegny after lunch, and the other characters once they are finished.

I calculate the following:

8 (rogue) 3 (intelligence) 1 (favoured class) 1 (human bonus) for thirteen skill points a level. Total is (6 x 13) for 78 points.
I spent the following:

Acrobatics 6
Appraise 6
Bluff 6
Climb 6
Craft (alchemy) 1
Craft (bowmaking) 2
Diplomacy 6
Disable Device 6
Disguise 2
Intimidate 3
Knowledge (dungeoneering)2
Linguistics 1
Perception 6
Perform (act)1
Perform (oratory)1
Profession (advocate) 1
Profession (bookkeeper) 1
Profession (cartographer)1
Profession (teacher)1
Sense Motive 1
Sleight of Hand 6
Stealth 6
Swim 3
Use Magic Device 3

So skills are good to go, unless we are not using intelligence raises to retroactively grant skill points. If that is the case, I will have to remove three points.

The hit points are an error on my part. I had (constitution) selected instead of (race)

The extra rogue talent is just wierd. Hogarth spotted that one. I will remove fast stealth.

I calculate the following:

8 (rogue) 3 (intelligence) 1 (favoured class) 1 (human bonus) for thirteen skill points a level. Total is (6 x 13) for 78 points.

I really need to start reading the human closer! I never play humans, so I just never paid as close attention to them as I did to the other races.

TATE ARGENSIER OF SIXGLAIVE
Male human Rogue 6
NG Medium humanoid
Init +10 ; Senses Perception +6
==DEFENSE==
AC 21, touch 16, flat-footed 21 (+5 armor, +5 dex, +1 deflection)
hp 66 (6d8+6)
Fort +3, Ref +11, Will +1
Defensive Abilities Uncanny Dodge, Trap Sense, Rogue Evasion
==OFFENSE==
Spd 30 ft./x4
Melee Rapier +10 1d6 18-20/x2
Melee Sap +10 1d6 20/x2
Melee Mwk Dagger, melee +11 1d4 19-20/x2
Ranged +2 Longbow +13 1d8+2 20/x3
Ranged Mwk Dagger, thrown +11 1d4 19-20/x2
Special Attacks Point Blank Shot, Precise Shot, Rapid Shot, Sneak Attack, Bleeding Attack
==STATISTICS==
Str 10, Dex 22, Con 13, Int 16, Wis 8, Cha 10
Base Atk +4, Cmb +4
Feats Armor Proficiency (Light) (PFB 82), Improved Initiative (PFB 88), Point Blank Shot (PFB 92), Precise Shot (PFB 92), Rapid Shot (PFB 93), Weapon Finesse (PFB 97), Weapon Focus (PFB 97)
Skills
Acrobatics +15,
Appraise +12,
Bluff +9,
Climb +9,
Craft (leatherworking) +7,
Craft (bowmaking) +8,
Diplomacy +9,
Disable Device +15,
Intimidate +5,
Knowledge (dungeoneering) +8,
Linguistics +7,
Perception +8,
Perform (oratory) +4,
Profession (cook) +3,
Profession (butcher) +6,
Profession (teacher) +3,
Sense Motive +3,
Sleight of Hand +14,
Stealth +15,
Swim +6,
Use Magic Device +6,
Languages Chelaxian, Common, Dwarven, Elven, Sylvan, Undercommon.
SQ Trapfinding
Combat Gear
+2 Longbow,
Masterwork Rapier,
Butcher's knife,
Sap,
Studded leather +2
Other Gear
Belt of incredible dexterity +2.
Ring of protection +1.
Ring of sustenance.
Masterwork thieves tools.
Masterwork skinning knives.
Masterwork apron.
Masterwork leatherworking tools.
Mithril awl.
Small ivory symbol of Erastil.
Pair of ironwood rings on thong around neck.
20' cable.
Block and tackle, iron.
Magically cold bag, full of quality meat.
Bag of salt.
Leather sleeping bag, with hide groundsheet.
Wool poncho.
Good leather backpack.
Journal.
Lock of hair.
Scrimshaw of elven woman.
Fishing hooks and fine line.
Tinderbox of crude and childish design.
Child's flute.
Hip flask of dwarven brandy.
Small box of inks and pens.
Oil tin.
Cold chisel.
Hammer stone.
Spare bowstrings.
Masterwork whetstones.
Herbs and spices in soft, compartmentalised leather pouch.
Jeweler's loupe.
Beeswax.
Map of Galt.
Piece of burnt wood with fourteen notches in it.
Small leather bag of badges and trophies.
Tiny bag of seeds.
Class Abilities • UNCANNY DODGE - 0 (PFB 15).
• TRAP SENSE (+2) - +2 bonus on Reflex saves made to avoid traps and a +2 dodge bonus to AC against attacks made by traps. (PFB 15).
• ROGUE WEAPONS AND ARMOR - All simple weapons, hand crossbow, rapier, sap, shortbow, and short sword. All light armor, but no shield. (PFB 38).
• SNEAK ATTACK - Deal +3d6 sneak attack damage in addition to weapon damage any time the enemy is denied a dexterity bonus to AC or is flanked by the rogue. Ranged attacks must be within 30 feet to do sneak attack damage. (PFB 38).
• TRAPFINDING - The rogue can use the Perception skill to find traps whose DC is over 20. (PFB 38).
• ROGUE EVASION - If the rogue makes a successful Reflex saving throw against an attack that normally deals half damage on a successful save, he instead takes no damage. Evasion can be used only if the rogue is wearing light armor or no armor and is not helpless. (PFB 39).
• ROGUE TALENT - You have chosen the following rogue talents: Bleeding Attack, Combat Trick, Finesse Rogue.
- Bleeding Attack - A rogue with this ability can cause living opponents to bleed when hitting them with a sneak attack. This attack causes the target to take 1 additional point of damage each round for each die of the rogue’s sneak attack (ie. 4d6 equals 4 points of bleed). Bleeding creatures take that amount of damage at the start of each of their turns. The bleeding can be stopped by a DC 15 Heal check or the application of any effect that heals hit point damage. Bleeding damage from this ability does not stack with itself. (PFA3 39).
- Combat Trick - You have selected the combat feat Weapon Focus. (PFA3 39).
- Finesse Rogue - Gain the Weapon Finesse feat. (PFA3 39). (PFB 39).

So, do you guys want to all start the game as complete strangers, or do you want some of your characters to know each other?

AC 21, touch 16, flat-footed 22 (+5 armor, +5 dex, +1 deflection)

Taliesin Hoyle wrote:

AC 21, touch 16, flat-footed 22 (+5 armor, +5 dex, +1 deflection)

Your flat-footed AC is better than your normal AC? :-)

So, do you guys want to all start the game as complete strangers, or do you want some of your characters to know each other?

I'm good with knowing people. Diego would definitely like to know Svegny (sp?)...

Doesn't matter to me whether we know each other or not.

I'm good with knowing people. Diego would definitely like to know Svegny (sp?)...

hogarth wrote:

Taliesin Hoyle wrote:

AC 21, touch 16, flat-footed 22 (+5 armor, +5 dex, +1 deflection)

Your flat-footed AC is better than your normal AC? :-)

Desna's locks, you are right. Must be an error, where the program completely ignores the armour entry, and thus does not include the dex penalty. There are some strangenesses around...

Okay, I've got intro posts up in the IC thread for Diego and Sevegny, so the two of you now have an opportunity to meet. Due to Coraline's chosen profession as a bartender, I went ahead and set her in the tavern as the bartender who is setting Sevegny (and probably by extension, Diego) on the pre-adventure quest to find Tate, and likely meet up with Lucky Hans and Calambrust along the way.

That'll leave Coraline in a position where she can either join you before the adventure begins proper, or just after, depending on how soon her player is able to post again (I believe he said Monday). And once Red Feather and Celest's characters are ready, it'll be easy enough to find them somewhere along the way.

Oh, and for Celest's benefit, since she may not have seen the recruitment thread where I originally posted links to the OOC and IC threads, here is where the IC thread can be found.

I can usually post everyday, but sometimes IC isn't available. (When posting from my Blackberry) so feel free to make rolls for me when I can't reach it. Alternatly I always carry my dice with me, and could make the rolls physically and post them then.

Calumbrust Ozar
[spoiler]
Notes on Skills
On your skill points, I believe you undercut yourself by three points (four points, actually - see below). Because of your Class and Intelligence, you gain 4 skill points per level.

You also gain one per level for being human, and one per level in your favored class (which you selected as Fighter).

I went over your skills, and doing the math with the totals you gave for the skills you took ranks in (and figuring for armor check penalties [-4, instead of -5, due to your Armor Training] and class skill bonuses)...

*You listed a total score of 10 for Climb. Figuring that your Str bonus (+4) and ACP (-4) will cancel out, that leaves you with your +3 class skill bonus plus number of ranks to reach 10, which means you had to have put 7 ranks into it.

Okay.

*gathers up scraps of head, rebuilds*

I wasn't figuring in AC penalty in my totals, so that is why Climb looked wrong to you. I'll factor in AC penalty after I reconfigure my skills.

This is Celest btw

I've got my Charater mostly done. All thats left is buying any other items. I've only got bare basics right now. Heres Amie's story.

So, do you guys want to all start the game as complete strangers, or do you want some of your characters to know each other?

Okay, I've got intro posts up in the IC thread for Diego and Sevegny, so the two of you now have an opportunity to meet. Due to Coraline's chosen profession as a bartender, I went ahead and set her in the tavern as the bartender who is setting Sevegny (and probably by extension, Diego) on the pre-adventure quest to find Tate, and likely meet up with Lucky Hans and Calambrust along the way.

Cal's skills are tweaked and ACP has been noted.

Okay, I've got intro posts up in the IC thread for Diego and Sevegny, so the two of you now have an opportunity to meet.

That'll leave Coraline in a position where she can either join you before the adventure begins proper, or just after, depending on how soon her player is able to post again (I believe he said Monday).

I think I will PrC into Duelist after I hit the requirements but does anyone think Ranger 5/Wizard 1 is a bad build; was taking a level in wizard for wand or rod use.

By the way I realize I'm the last man to get ready and join the party but I really can't wait to start : )

I think I will PrC into Duelist after I hit the requirements but does anyone think Ranger 5/Wizard 1 is a bad build; was taking a level in wizard for wand or rod use.

Just don't forget about arcane spell failure; that's why I took Feather Fall and True Seeing (no somatic components).

Quick question:

Am I correct in the assumption that in Pathfinder a Keen weapon doubles its threat range - So a Keen Rapier would possibly crit on a roll of 15 to 20 ?

Any suggestions for tweaking out a Rapier, giving it more bang for the buck ?