How to redeem Arazni?


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Ever since I read Mythic Realms I have been wondering about this. Considering she started as a PALADIN of Aroden it seems like it should be possible. Maybe if you destroyed her canopic jars AND killed Geb (who should be more powerful BTW is he is her boss) it would do it? I imagine Iomedae (who was also also a follower of Aroden) would be eager to help.


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Whether it is possible or not is beyond any rules, it is in the realm of storytelling and how/if it could be done is entirely up to a gamemaster or Paizo if they want to release a product with that as the story (unlikely).

One would suppose that either Iomedae can't or won't intervene, or she would have.

(Not to mention that it all happened when Aroden was still alive and kicking and obviously couldn't prevent or fix it for some reason.)


Are they immune to mind-affecting? If not, Helm of Opposite Alignment.

If they are, find a way to borrow Nocticula's seductive presence (with either a simulacra and a kind DM, or redeeming the original first... and a kind DM) to remove it, then Helm of Opposite Alignment.


I think that from Arazni's point of view, she was abandoned by Aroden, who then replaced her with Iomedae. Since Aroden is gone, she cannot face him. That might leave facing Iomedae, who might not have the answers. (I'm doubting Iomedae went to Aroden and asked him why he gave up on Arazni and chose her.)

It may well be that Arazni does not even want redemption. Trying to drag Arazni toward redemption involuntarily could itself be quite a story. I'd say you would at least need a list of wishes/miracles just to start.


I'd involve Tar-Baphon and Herald's Fall. Settling old grudges, retaking her pride, washing away the humiliation. But that already means bringing her to the point where she cares enough again.
The obvious starting point would be Geb, as she's been thoroughly molded by him. Not necessarily destroying him, but weakening his hold over her somehow.

Beyond that, she was and is once more a demi-goddess. And an undead.
Not gonna be easy.


I'm pretty sure I read from one of the writers or developers that Arazni will be appearing as an NPC in "The Tyrant's Grasp." I'm guessing that she'll have a major part to play.

Whether that means she can be redeemed or not is another question.


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Heritor Knight is the only way I know of.

Redeemer of Undeath (Su) wrote:
At 8th level, as a standard action, a heritor knight can make a melee attack with a longsword against an undead creature. Resolve the attack normally, but if the attack hits and the undead was good-aligned in life, it must succeed at a Will save (DC = 10 + the heritor knight’s class level + her Charisma modifier) or be destroyed and redeemed of the evils of undeath, allowing the soul to reach a righteous afterlife. If the creature succeeds, it is immune to this ability for 24 hours.

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@ Haladir-- don't forget to put Spoiler Tags on posts like that.

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If a DM is going to allow a redeemed Arazni in the game, he or she will also have to figure out where a newly returned LG Arazni would fit in the Setting.

She's not going to replace Iomedae, is she?

There's also already a Ragathiel, so no becoming that kind of Paladin-god/Hero.

Maybe something like Ilmater from FR?!? I could see Arazni filling that void for Pathfinder.

....Anyway, once a DM has a place for a redeemed Arazni, a mantle for her to take in the Post-Aroden, contemporary setting, then one can build a campaign in which the PCs go to do it.

I'd start the campaign at low level, maybe first, and by the time they've built up to high levels fighting undead baddies of Geb and getting into the history of Nex & Geb (maybe a chapter two in Alkenstar), the PCs have a chance to confront Arazni.

Make it so that in order to "defeat" Geb they have to not destroy but rather turn Arazni, redeem her. ....In order to keep a BBEG fight at the end I would say that, once the PCs roleplay the pleas to Arazni to remember her 'true self' -- showing her images of the past and answering her wicked philosophical ripostes and barbs -- Arazni the 'redeeming' Lich goes unconscious or something while a ghost version of evil Arazni (maybe out of her Phylactery) comes out to fight the PCs. When the PCs kill the evil ghost (or other duplicate idea) and the Phylactery, Arazni can awake, ready to take up her LG mantle.


Per the PF Wiki for Iomedae, Arazni wasn't passed over by Aroden but slain in battle and her mortal body interred that ended up promoting The Inheritor to status as his herald.

Arazni died a hero. After she was re-animated she was subjugated into her current form as the Harlot Queen. It didn't have anything to do with Iomedae or Aroden from what I can see. Maybe there's a ton of details I'm missing though, from other media.

I don't know what space she'd occupy in the cosmology or pantheon after being redeemed, but as for her redemption... how do we change or grow? First and foremost, Arazni has to accept that SHE has a problem.

Once the Harlot Queen is somehow convinced that she is, indeed, evil, I would suspect her road to redemption would be paved with the reversal her rule in Geb has been. She'll have to return to the knights who served her and... apologize.

She was their light, their banner and their shield. Arazni was literally their god, summoned to stand vigilant against the greatest evil the world had known to that point. In battle she faltered, she fell, setting off a chain of events leading to centuries of suffering and pain.

Arazni must lower herself to atonement from those she failed. Then she'll have to prove herself worthy once more.

Think of it in terms of Rocky 3:

1. The hero gets cocky, goes up against the villain and is like "I got this;" they get beat hard

2. The defeat of the hero sends shockwaves of pain and suffering through their whole world; hero sinks into depression

3. A helpful mentor (the PCs) inspire the hero to return to righteousness - cue "Eye of the Tiger" training montage

4. The hero makes amends to those they'd wronged during their depression

5. In a final showdown, the hero and villain square off a second time, this time ending in a victory for the hero and their ultimate redemption

6. Epilogue - hero and mentor connect once more so the hero can repay their helper(s)

So find Arazni's Bloodstones to get her attention; face the Herald's Fall (her depression) and make the Harlot Queen see the truth; deliver a training montage; have Arazni release her personal Graveknights and beg forgiveness from whatever is left of the Knights of Ozem and the region in general; then finally put her in the ring with Geb for the knock-down, drag-out fight of the millennia. Ding... Ding...

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Haladir wrote:

I'm pretty sure I read from one of the writers or developers that Arazni will be appearing as an NPC in "The Tyrant's Grasp." I'm guessing that she'll have a major part to play.

Whether that means she can be redeemed or not is another question.

Yes, she has a major appearance. The status of her redemption is something I'm not yet willing to discuss, even behind a spoiler tag, but her story does indeed have an arc that we're exploring in Tyrant's Grasp.

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Yqatuba wrote:
Ever since I read Mythic Realms I have been wondering about this. Considering she started as a PALADIN of Aroden it seems like it should be possible.

I vaguely remember thinking that Arazni was a knight-crusader, only to be corrected by a developer stating that she'd been a wizard, in life. (Which makes her having an order of knights devoted to her super-interesting, and I'd love to read about some pre-death-of-their-god Knights of Ozem, if they were somehow connected to an order of wizards and / or wizard-priests of Arazni!)

The game kind of lacks a good god of magic, for that matter, and Arazni could fill that niche, in the way that evil gods with the Magic domain, like Asmodeus, do.

I would at first knee-jerk against the idea of forcibly redeeming someone, and assume that one would have to *want* to be redeemed, but since a character can be evil without ever choosing to be evil, or even made evil by various means without ever doing anything evil to justify that, I guess a good alignment should be similarly easy to drag someone into against their will...


Ron Lundeen wrote:
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thats all well and fine, but bring her back to life when and if you redeem her.

Taldor will thank you for it

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