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If I have a level of Sorcerer, and then go into Arcanist and grab the Bloodline Development exploit, it says:
"If the arcanist already has a bloodline (or gains one later), taking this exploit instead allows her arcanist levels to stack with the levels of the class that granted her access to the bloodline when determining the powers and abilities of her bloodline."
What all exactly is being inherited with this? What falls under "powers and abilities"? If its just the Bloodline Powers, whats the "and abilities" text referring to? Does it get the Bloodline Arcana? The Bloodline Feats or Bloodline Spells? All of those things fall under the "Bloodline" Class Feature of the Sorcerer and could I suppose be described as "abilities". It seems like getting access to all of those things for a level dip and an exploit would be too much, but that "powers and abilities" text is throwing me off.
A sorcerer 1/arcanist already gets the bloodline arcana without an exploit.
Bloodline powers and abilities are basically synonymous. A sorcerer 1/arcanist with bloodline development treats their sorcerer level as (1 + ). For example, an arcane sorcerer 1/arcanist 8 has arcane bond and metamagic adept and can use the latter twice per day.
Bloodline feats and bloodline spells are neither powers nor abilities. You only get those when you have sufficient sorcerer levels.
If its just Powers, then why would it have the "and abilities" text? I'm not sure what exactly falls under "abilities", but having that there really seems to imply that it grants something other than just the Powers.
Eh, I wouldn't read too much into that. Paizo isn't always surgically precise with its rules text.
If we want to get crazy in the scrutiny department, . . . There's no direct definition of "bloodline ability". Digging for references to that phrase comes up with the general rule text for bloodline mutations:
Alternatively, a bloodrager or sorcerer can select a bloodline mutation in place of a bloodline bonus feat, provided her class level is at least equal to the level of the bloodline ability the mutation normally
The abilities in question are invariably bloodline powers and don't include feats, spells, or arcana, suggesting that the terms "bloodline ability" and "bloodline power" are equivalent.
There's also the scorpion bloodline power:
At 11th level, whenever you apply your progenitor’s sting to a weapon, you can magically apply it onto all willing allies’ weapons within 20 feet as well. This counts as one use of your bloodline ability.
And a trait:
Select one racial, inherited template (such as half-dragon), or bloodline ability you can currently use at least three times each day. Once per day when you are within 60 feet of another character with this family trait who shares the race, template, or bloodline, you can use the selected ability without it counting against your normal daily limit.
Either the two terms are equivalent . . . or perhaps the distinction is that a bloodline ability is the thing you activate (Ex/Su/Sp) while a bloodline power is more general and may or may not grant a bloodline ability (rather than a more constant effect). But that would imply that bloodline mutations can't replace bloodline powers that don't grant abilities*, which I doubt was intended.
*Note: I don't actually know if any such bloodline powers exist. X D
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“Ability / abilities” is one of those words that - like “level” - is used in far too many contexts in Pathfinder.
I’ve always thought Bloodline Development only applied to the powers, not spells or feats, but I can see your argument. The glossary of terms on pages 11-13 of the CRB only defines “ability” in terms of your Ability Score. But other terms refer to abilities, such as Feats, which says
...some classes and other abilities grant bonus feats.
I still think it’s just supposed to apply to bloodline powers, but this could definitely use a FAQ/errata.
This thread was asking for FAQ after Piazo had already abandoned 1e, there will never be an official answer. But it is implied that arcana and bloodline "powers" are the only things this is meant to work with. A static buff isn't really an ability, but certainly is a power, but an activated ability is a bloodline power that is also an ability.
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Has this ever been addressed in a FAQ? Clearly the phrase “powers and abilities” has to mean something more than just “powers”.
Short Answer: No.
Longer Answer: Paizo had unofficially abandoned 1E by the time this thread started, even though 2E wouldn't release until the next year. They stopped providing FAQs.
It's mostly just future proofing, but also applies to some arcana that scale with sorcerer level.
Bloodline Arcana: Whenever you cast a spell of the summoning subschool, the creatures summoned gain DR/good equal to 1/2 your sorcerer level (minimum 1). This does not stack with any DR the creature might have.
If its just Powers, then why would it have the "and abilities" text? I'm not sure what exactly falls under "abilities", but having that there really seems to imply that it grants something other than just the Powers.
when they say ¨powers and ability¨ in my opinion mean like this
lets take te bloodline arcana
the first power you gain is arcane bound: if you select the item you gain the ¨power have a bound item and to create a magic item as you have thhe proper item creation¨ and the ¨abiliity to restore 1 spell¨
second power metamagic adept: you gain the ¨ability to apply metamagic whitout increment the casting time of you next spell a number of time per day(either arcanist or sorceres spell)¨
third power new aracana: this ¨power give your sorceres a new spell know¨
fourth power school power: this ¨power giive you +2 in the dc of all spell in the choosen school¨
fifth power arcane apotheosis: you transform the äbility of your metamagic adept¨to sometin static that dont require use in other word you pass from ability to ¨power¨ and gain the ¨ability to sacrifice spells instead of consuming charge of your magic items
so power ist the static than dont need uses or other requirement to use
and abilitys are those tha can be used a limit time to use