Can a 1st-level stelliferas character start play with more than 18 strength?


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Pathfinder Roleplaying Game Superscriber; Pathfinder Starfinder Roleplaying Game Subscriber

At a glance it looks like you could assign a 17 to your strength, then use their hydrobody ability to pump that to a 21.

Was it the intent to make this diminutive playable race potentially the strongest playable race? Or does the 1st-level 18 cap apply to that additional +4 from hydrobody as well?

Please FAQ if you'd like to know the answer to this too.


What on earth leads you to think that FAQing anything leads to answers from Paizo when the questions concern Starfinder?

Scarab Sages Starfinder Design Lead

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We don't generally release errata for APs. That said, if we pick this up for an Alien Archive, I expect it would be rewritten to be +2 Wis, +2 Cha, and -2 Con, and a special ability that has it calculate its bulk as if its Strength was 4 lower. That ability does not apply in hydrobody, when it calculates bulk normally.
If you want to play with the current rules, a stelliferas should be limited to a 14 maximum Strength at 1st level.

Liberty's Edge

I don't see any other reading of the race rules that would prevent it from having a medium sized str score of 21. It is reliant on the GM agreeing there is enough moisture on the air to sustain that form. Not sure how game breaking it is, but is does move out of the scope of normal character races.

Just to see it on paper in standard form, with the assumption of taking theme with +1 STR:

Str: 17 (+4 for medium sized)
Dex: 10
Con: 8
Int: 10
Wis: 12
Char: 12


Owen K. C. Stephens wrote:

We don't generally release errata for APs. That said, if we pick this up for an Alien Archive, I expect it would be rewritten to be +2 Wis, +2 Cha, and -2 Con, and a special ability that has it calculate its bulk as if its Strength was 4 lower. That ability does not apply in hydrobody, when it calculates bulk normally.

If you want to play with the current rules, a stelliferas should be limited to a 14 maximum Strength at 1st level.

Thank you, Owen! :D

Xenocrat wrote:
What on earth leads you to think that FAQing anything leads to answers from Paizo when the questions concern Starfinder?

What on earth leads you to think that it wouldn't? Paizo designs both Pathfinder and Starfinder.


Shar Tahl wrote:

It is reliant on the GM agreeing there is enough moisture on the air to sustain that form.

No.

Hydrobody wrote:
Provided enough water exists nearby or in the air, a stellifera can psychokinetically construct a watery humanoid-shaped body as a full action and maintain this hydrobody indefinitely, including while unable to take actions or unconscious

If/when it for some reason decides to release a hydrobody (it returns to an aquatic environment?) it needs a source of water to recreate one, but once it has it can't lose it unless it chooses to. Frankly, the only way it could ever not have access to one is if it were snatched from an aquatic environment (presumably while unconscious) to a dry one before it could take a full action.


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Owen Stephens Super Fan wrote:
Owen K. C. Stephens wrote:

We don't generally release errata for APs. That said, if we pick this up for an Alien Archive, I expect it would be rewritten to be +2 Wis, +2 Cha, and -2 Con, and a special ability that has it calculate its bulk as if its Strength was 4 lower. That ability does not apply in hydrobody, when it calculates bulk normally.

If you want to play with the current rules, a stelliferas should be limited to a 14 maximum Strength at 1st level.

Thank you, Owen! :D

Xenocrat wrote:
What on earth leads you to think that FAQing anything leads to answers from Paizo when the questions concern Starfinder?
What on earth leads you to think that it wouldn't? Paizo designs both Pathfinder and Starfinder.

Actual experience? Until about two years ago Pathfinder was regularly FAQ'd on a sometimes consistently weekly basis, but Starfinder has only received two FAQ updates in its first 14 months. It's nice that Owen drops in with updates pretty frequently, but there is still a big backlog of issues that have been FAQ'd, debated, and never answered.


Pathfinder Roleplaying Game Superscriber; Pathfinder Starfinder Roleplaying Game Subscriber

I'm sure it still helps to get questions and concerns on their radar, even if they don't answer it in an official FAQ right away.

Sczarni

My perception is that Starfinder (and especially Starfinder Society) has gotten quite a bit of attention from the Designers (and Developers).

Cases in point: Starship DCs were handled fairly quickly and there was a sizable FAQ within 6 months of first release.

It also makes sense that Paizo should focus more time and effort on the Playtest, rather than an already released system. FAQs and errata can wait, but PF2 needs to be tested now.

Either way, criticizing people for asking questions certainly won't get you anywhere.


Nefreet wrote:

My perception is that Starfinder (and especially Starfinder Society) has gotten quite a bit of attention from the Designers (and Developers).

Cases in point: Starship DCs were handled fairly quickly and there was a sizable FAQ within 6 months of first release.

It also makes sense that Paizo should focus more time and effort on the Playtest, rather than an already released system. FAQs and errata can wait, but PF2 needs to be tested now.

Either way, criticizing people for asking questions certainly won't get you anywhere.

I'm criticizing Paizo for not answering more questions. Lo! and they answered this one.

Sczarni

Sure reads to me that you were questioning RD's way of thinking, but I suppose it could just be lost in textlation.

The Exchange

Starfinder Charter Superscriber
Owen K. C. Stephens wrote:
We don't generally release errata for APs.

Can you please revisit this policy for Starfinder. While it makes some level of sense for Pathfinder which has multiple lines in which rules are releasing including the Player Companion and Campaign Setting Lines in addition to APs, for Starfinder it is just the APs and hardcovers currently. That means that a lot of additional rules being released in APs. To forclose errata for, not half, but a large section of where rules are coming from currently seems ill-advised.

If its because the APs don't receive the same level of design team involvement as the hardcover releases, please don't repeat the mistake of Pathfinder having two different editorial and design standards for your official products, the Starfinder material just isn't enough to justify that sort of thing.


Pathfinder Roleplaying Game Superscriber; Pathfinder Starfinder Roleplaying Game Subscriber

I agree with Shaudius. The various glossaries in the adventure paths make up roughly 20% of available player content.

That's a whole lot of rules to just be ignoring.

Scarab Sages Starfinder Design Lead

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We revisit nearly every support question on a regular basis. I hear your concerns. But the policy still may not change, depending on a lot of unseen factors.
But please be aware I am not ignoring the request.

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